Not that I enjoy or really desire to be involved in any sort of moderating work or becoming a spokesperson for the masses but I have agreed to post this as I think it will generate a healthy debate which is what forums are for.

I've had a number of emails recently from site members in which we've discussed the posting of over critical comments that some people leave on other members images. I myself have seen far too many comments that will have completely destroyed the confidence of any artist, whether new to graphic art or an accomplished artist.

I just wondered whether anyone else has noticed that some peoples critical comments are soul destroying. I also notice that some of the people who leave these comments hardly ever post to Renderosity which in my opinion gives them no right to pass judgement on other peoples work. Whilst I appreciate that critical comments can be an invaluable aid to artists, it appears that some people are going just a bit too far.

I am also asked on occasions about those who deliberately knock peoples ratings down by posting fantastic comments saying how good images are and then leaving ratings of 1's or 2's.

I am just wondering what peoples thoughts are on these matters because at the end of the day this site is mainly for amateur artists posting their work for a bit of enjoyment.

Hi Tony...
So far I haven't had too many bad comments and I never pay attention to ratings...but I can see where some people need it for encouragement.  I have to admit that I only started leaving ratings recently..simply because I don't pay attention but now I'm getting used to it.
I think every artist needs encouragement.  I'm not sure why others would want to discourage someone...but I would be interested in everyone's input on this.
Thanks for posting.

I agree that it's not nice to be over critical to fellow artists, but everyone that uploads does have a choice...

*Allow viewers to make comments on this image?

*If one asks for critical comment then one should expect critical comment, however, if one is being over critical by saying 'your art stinks' then thats another matter.
To be honest, I have not seen any comment that might constitute anything that may destroy someones artisitic confidence, but then I have not reviewed all art here at Renderosity.

It would be informative to see the type of comment that you are referring to.

One other point, if only one person gives a 1 and all else give a 5 or 4, then the figure should not deviate very much from the higher scores, or at least thats what i've experienced.

Yes, you are correct in that users have the choice of whether to allow comments and if they do select the critical choice then they should expect and accept them, as long as the comments themselves are critical in a helpful way.

I wasn't really intending to give any examples of the gulity parties by name on this forum as I don't want people ganging up on anyone in particular. I hoped the outcome of this forum would be that people who do post these types of comments would just take a deep breathe before posting and think carefully about how they word their comments and appreciate how they would feel if they were on the receiving end.

To give one very general example I have seen comments on a number of nautical images that rip the artists work to shreds and when you check the persons gallery who left the comment there are no images to back up what they say.

The concerns raised about ratings is that it's annoying for people to see comments such as 'superb image' and 'excellent work' on their work and then to see their rating go down as a result of that comment. The 2 just don't make sense.

All it takes is a bit of common sense and a little thought.

Hi Tony... 
The critic of the art or the art of the critic? 
 
That was already commented here by several artists. 
A controversial subject, since opinions are not facts; for the humanity's good. 
 
I don't care with critics, since naturally I am a, it doesn't affect like this me some miscredit to my work for some friend of the community. 
I already saw bad images being eulogized to the end and fantastic images without any comment. 
Happily the option exists of not being permitted comments and / or punctuation, but as that is optional, the artist should face the fact that if he allowed, you/he/she should accept; but the agreement is another thing. 
The critic is really necessary for amateurs, it helps to perfect our knowledge and our technique. 
What leaves me sad it is to see copied comments, and I think as change of favors, of the type: he commented my last work, I will comment yours, I am like this in peace with all, or then: the more to comment, more comments will receive. 
 
As my works in 3D are pure amusement, one more experience; particularly, I create my images (well done or not) for me and friends that you/they appreciate my style, the rest is profit. 
 
We should remind that to like of something it is very private, and an opinion should be before anything else RESPECTED, but he/she has moments that it is unpleasant to see some works. 
 
It would be interesting to see in the comments the punctuation that the critic gave. 
 
Don't worry about the critics, continue your work, what in fact is very pleasant of appreciating.  
  
hugs 

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To be quite honest, I typically don't read all the comments to others artwork unless asked to.
There just isn't enough time.

dhama is correct, Artists have the option to request critique or not. Personally when I have critiques for a piece of work, I send it by IM, and I'm very careful and constructive with my comments.
I understand there are those that are unaware of certain courtesies when commenting on others work. However if these comments become derogatory and unproductive, they can be dealt with by staff members. There is a really great bunch of people here and a good set of guidelines concerning these matters. If and when we are made aware of questionable behavior, it's reviewed and dealt with by staff.

When these occur, any member is more than welcome to contact a staff member with their concern.

As far as the point system goes, it can be interpreted in different ways. Some people may not understand that 1 is low and 5 is high. They may have it reversed. Some don't post ratings with their comments. If you want Ratings, this is the chance you take. Many Artists post with no Ratings requested. Myself, I allow ratings, though I pay more attention to the personal comments.

Finally, if there are any comments you see that seem rude and destructive, ("Trolling") please let someone from staff know and it will be handled.

ICM

Thanks ICM for your response and also to Thandaluz.

It is heartening to know that artists can contact the moderators with any concerns they might have, however, this is ultimately their choice, as is their choice on whether to receive comments and ratings.

The concern raised is not over their choice to accept comments and/or ratings but how people respond to the artists wishes, that is really the heart of this thread. I know that people react differently to criticism but I've have known people on Renderosity who have been deeply upset by vicious comments and as a result have stopped posting for a while. One artist in particular received an awful comment and others 'jumped on the bandwagon' and joined in the crucifixion of the image. To be fair this artist gave as good as he/she got but people were amazed that this type of thing could happen on here.

If you see this unfair type of action, Please let me know.

Rod

Tony, I like your work and have left comments on more than one occasion.  But....   I quit posting a rating on other people's work long ago.  I haven't allowed ratings on my own postings  for a long time either.

@ ICM 

Does my reluctance to rate someone else's work cause that overall average to fall?  In other words, does a rating box left blank average in with other ratings as a "0"? 

If that is the case,  it doesn't seem fair to the artist that wants high ratings and it doesn't seem fair to a viewer who likes an image and wants to say so to the artist; but feels  forced to vote a rating when that viewer doesn't feel qualified, or inclined to vote a rating. 

If my leaving a rating box left blank counts as a zero, then I imagine there are a lot of artist who would rather I didn't comment even if I liked their work. 

Skiwillgee,
I'm certain that a blank rating doesn't effect the overall score as quite a few people don't leave ratings on my work and my score stays the same. It was a good concern to raise though and you are probably not alone in that thinking. If anyone knows different then please let us know.

I haven't left ratings on anyone since we were 0-10 instead of stars...;) If I like it, I'll leave a comment. If not, I usually don't even look. If I see something I can mention to make it a better pic, I try to leave a positive comment and observation. So far, I've only @#$%^ off about 3 people in 7 years...;)

Tony, you have brought up an interesting topic thats been bugging the hell out of me for quite sometime. I have not posted many images lately due to a rude comment from a well to do poser artist posted on an image i uploaded ...i was accused of copying someone elses idea and then they had the nerve to give me a bad comment on the fact i had gone to the trouble of doing it in daz studio instead of going out and buying poser..

I no longer post images these days because to be honest with you i am sick of many things on this community which i will not mention because they include people i have come to respect over the time i have been on here from their willingness to help new and old members  to better themselves in their art work..

As for the bad comments well what can one say, some people have a brain like a  Mongolian Sewer Slug

Cheers pakled and CrazyDawg, it's very interesting CrazyDawg to see that you have been affected by scathing comments in the past.

This is one of the points that people wanted me to highlight and the fact that it stopped you posting for a while is worrying as this is the type of thing that people want to prevent.

Has anyone else been affected like this?

Sometimes, it seems to me, some people comments , good pictures, badly, because they want to lower the level and to put itself with it  into the foreground. What I observed has be, that most people, who hand over bad evaluations, even the worst pictures present. I am in the hope, that the real, with notion People, don't take these people comments, to serious.

Allibaba

You know, people who leave harsh comment are very jealous  of the talent of the artist who they critique. I myself had been on the receiving end of what I called "rabies ranting raving envy rating" in another gallery. I saw that this person didn't even have a posted art work, so as such, I would ignore this person's comment if he/she does post. They seems to get a kick out of crushing a person's spirit in the same manner a schoolyard bully does.

So what does one do to a bully??? Live Well!!! Life is too short to live in a coward's fort. Show them that you can do better and that you are better than they are. Show them that you will not be intimidated by their attitude. They eventually grow up or move on to another "victim".

But if they persist, go to the moderator or inform someone in "authority" about this BULLY.

Well said Allibaba and Thunderstone.

Yes it is doubly annoying when vicious critics leave such comments and then can't back up what they say with their own art-work. It's seems a complete nonsense to me and I totally understand peoples grievences when they contact me.

How can one accept criticism from people like this who can't post work themselves.

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How can one accept criticism from people like this who can't post work themselves.

One doesn't... One ignore them and go on. One doesn't acknowledge it or if one does acknowledge it, simply challenge them to back it up or shut the f* up.

Only when confronted by their cowardice, they will leave as they have no proof to submit nor any credentials to present. They are the ones I would ignore. It may smart at first but by learning to discriminate against those that are just envious versus those that are genuine trying to be helpful, will you be able to help yourself step over those "sewage ranting rabies jealous raters" who obviously are so full of self hate, they can't even get some self help. :lol:

My own attitude towards commenting is that I will only leave critical comments on work that I admire or feel some kind of a positive response to & I try to emphasize the positive as I gently slip in the constructive criticism. There's way too much art being posted here to waste my time commenting on images that I don't like at all & why would I want to bring both the other person & myself down by being negative & destructive?

I actually turned off ratings on my postings long ago because commenters were being too nice & always gave me 5's, which became meaningless. I also think that, unlike sports or politics, art should not be a competitive activity. Everyone has a unique point of view to express & there's nothing to be gained from numerically ranking an artist's work.

But the bottom line is that this is a public site & short of using obscenity or truly hateful language, anyone can say what they want & you have to be prepared to deal with it. I have had some very nasty comments on some political work I've posted & that's to be expected. I try not to respond to hate with hate & generally they will go away quietly when they don't get the reaction they expected. My advice is to be thankful for the positive comments you get, think about the constructive criticism you get & ignore the hateful stuff...

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 My advice is to be thankful for the positive comments you get, think about the constructive criticism you get & ignore the hateful stuff...

Bravo! Well said! :thumbupboth:

What does someone having artwork of there own have to do with art critique?
Critics never produce art; else they would not be critics, they would be artists.

Ask for critical comments -> get critical comments -> complain about critical comments.
That doesn't seem very logical to me.
Someone uploading has to ask for critical comments to get them.
If someone only wants '5Star++++ Hugs!!!! xoxoxo" comments, then they can opt for that when they upload.

EDIT - expecting serious constructive criticism from an 'open to the public' gallery is unrealistic.

I think we are losing the thread here dvlenk6, the main purpose of this forum item is to try to understand why certain people put over-zealous and hurtful criticism on peoples images. That is really the root of this thread, the fact that they don't post work themselves, is as you correctly say, is really neither here nor there, although it is a liitle annoying.

If people ask for critical comments they should expect them, what they should not be subjected to is the kind of soul destroying commenting that other people have been contacting me about.

As I understand it, if somebody feels that TOS has been violated by a comment, they can/should contact admin. about it...
Personal attacks aren't allowed here.
Is that what you mean?
I have to admit that I seldom read the comments in the gallery.

Not so much personal attacks, more sort of over zealous comments that overstep the mark. I have advised people to contact the moderators but in the end that decision lies with them. The feeling is that they feel it is wrong to go around reporting people and risk having them kicked off the site.

Without specific examples its always hard to tell what is going on. Sometimes I have found that people who are foreign from those being commented on, may sound harsh, when its simply a language difference. Sometimes a person can have a strong overbearing personality and they are just that way, not realizing how harsh they come across. Other times they are nothing more than ignorant trolls. For myself, I tend to engage people who seem like trolls in friendly private chats. I've actually ended up friendly with many a person who seemed angry or aggressive initially. And they are usually good people behind the nasty mask. Miscommunication is very common. Some people lack the social ability to put forth critique in a nice way. But outright trolling should be reported. There is no excuse for it.
My advice. If not sure about a comment's true meaning, ask for clarification. Put the commenter back in the hot seat and have them explain more how their advice can help them.

Sometimes things become too cliche, and folks get tired of it. Thus the NVIATWAS for Poser or SOW for Bryce, etc. Most folks let it slide, since there's a fair amount of newbies that do this since that's what's ususally what is easiest to make in the programs. But when you see more or less the same thing time after time from the same person with no development, there are some folks that turn mean about it.

As for dealing with it?

1. Grow a thicker hide. Unless someone is insulting or attacking you personally (which I believe can be considered a violation of TOS), just learn to deal with it. Knowing how to spot a troll and ignore it goes a long way when on the internet.
2. Learn from it, provided there is any useful info. Sometimes people will be harsh, but at the same time offer some valid critique. Maybe better lighting? Maybe not the same content time after time? (unless it's a series) Maybe you need to put more life into your characters? etc. Also in a few rare cases the meanness is simply misinterpretation. Someone is trying too hard to push you from the "merely good" into the "excellent" category. When an artist gets too hurt by nitpicking in those cases, it's actually the critic's plan backfiring.
3. See what the other person does (if anything). Not saying there should be any flame wars or the such, but an unwarranted volley makes for fair game. Critics who make nothing themselves usually fall under the troll category, and are pretty safe to ignore. The ones that are tough actually make good art and are the ones to watch out for. (They have the most potential to devistate your ego via comparison.) Typically such artists with big elitist egos are less common at R'osity. (They're more common at ConceptArt or CGsociety where more members have managed to break into the professional scene and are competitive about it.) These people are either jerks because they expect everyone to be at some ridiculously high standard all the time or like to stoke their egos because they believe they're so much better than everyone skills-wise. Treat them as you would the obnoxious guy with the BMW which believes he's better than you money-wise.
4. It is possible to disable comments/ratings if you feel overly sensitive to such things. I guess it's a trade-off about how fragile your feelings are vs. how much you want to know what others think of your work.

Personally, I don't get too upset about such things. Yeah, it's annoying if some folks rate something low or say it's crap. (Especially if it's something with more time put into it than just a WIP, general concept, or software experiment.) But I don't cry about it. And usually it's not the bad rating or negative comment I'm annoyed with, but rather nobody saying anything to back it up. If you think something sucks, you should be prepared to explain why. (And the same if you think it's really really good.)

This isn't going to help much, but... People who leave harsh comments seem to think making fun of other people makes them look better. More people do this online, because they don't actually have to look someone in the face while being rude. Fact is, I worked in Bryce for a couple of years before posting an image here, and, yup, the first comment was laughing at it. The guy made a good point, but did it badly. Reworked and reposted the image, but only after feeling totally embarrassed, then getting stubborn. The "Simon Syndrome" seems to be popular right now. You can be rude if you think it's witty? Honestly, if you can't take the time to explain a possible improvement in a civilized manner, move on. No, I don't post images anymore. I show them to friends who point out bad stuff and offer suggestions on how to fix them. Sort of like the gallery should work. ;)

What annoys me the most is you see an image made with 4 clicks of the presets buttons getting 30 something gushing comments and then another pic where the artist has obviously put a lot of effort in to what they have created gets no feedback at all.
I have no problem with comments harsh or otherwise, but then I'm really thick skinned, if someone suggests a way to do things better then I try it out, hey! why not? Icould learn something new. Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers
GG

if the comment comes from someone i know is good and better than me i may take note and do better. many time I know a person is on a ego trip too. and will do this. Or it someone with another account name that will come in and do this too. I look at the other artist work to see what what. I not worry about the comment. he may be right or maybe wrong. I may even ask some people I know by IM to tell me if what the comment is true or not. they tell me. Many times they tell me they know the person and do not take note of that person[on a ego trip]
just my thoughts.

Quote - As I understand it, if somebody feels that TOS has been violated by a comment, they can/should contact admin. about it...
Personal attacks aren't allowed here.

HAHAHAHA, you are joking right...contact the admin about it..i had an image i had uploaded over 18 months ago and it was commented on in such a way it actually did breach the TOS, i reported such comment and the kind reply i got back was "ignore that person"...it seems the only time anything that breaches the TOS gets dealt with on here is if it suits the staff or its one of their many friends that get upset/reports it..

Only time i know of something been against the TOS getting dealt with was when a member was banned from the site for mentioning something in this actuall forum...no warning instant ban, see you we don't take to that being said on here...

i think i'll shut up now before i really lose my cool and say something that might get a reaction from the staff...not wanting that or to breach the TOS..

PS: i no longer have that image uploaded, infact i no longer have it at all..

It seems things are hotting up on this thread now which is good as it is healthy to debate these things and hopefully something good can come out of it. This was the prime objective of the thread.

One one hand it is comforting that the moderators can be contacted over breaches of TOS but worrying if they have ignored pleas for help in the past. It is even more worrying if they have the power to delete a gallery without warning, I would have thought that a warning was an act of courtesy. I wouldn't expect that moderators on any site would restort to deleting a gallery, let alone this one.

However, I'm am sure that the moderators on here do a splendid job and I certainly have no problem with what they do at the moment. If pleas for help are ignored by moderators then this should be followed up by the user.

It's a bit difficult to summarise things so far as it all depends on how the user receiving bad comments reacts to them but basically it' seems to be as follows:
(1) If you can't ignore the comment then site mail the person who posted it and ask for an explanation. I would think that this should solve 99% of queries. This could also apply to the situation where people leave low ratings but say that the image is excellent.
(2) If no joy is obtained from contacting the culprit then get in touch with the site moderators who I am sure will do their best to mediate.

Long may this debate continue as it's certainly getting very interesting. I'd be interested to hear what the other moderators thoughts are on this matter.

Also, many thanks to those who have contributed so far ...

Regarding the '4 clicks of the presets and 30 gushing comments', above,   one thing I have noticed here on R'osity is you've gotta give comments and feedback in order to receive the same.  Some of these fantastic creations that receive very little comments, is due in large part, to their creators uploading the image and then just sitting back, absorbing all of the oooo's and ahhhh's.  Instead of taking the time to look around and comment on what everyone else has uploaded.  Many of these types don't even comment on the work of their numerous friends.  Don't know if it's an ego trip that they have thinking no one else comes up to their standards, or what.    So, the next time you see a '4 clicks of the presets and and 30 gushing comments' render, take a look at the comment history of that individual....you might just find a human being, there.

"one thing I have noticed here on R'osity is you've gotta give comments and feedback in order to receive the same."

I agree, photostar. This is an artists' gallery rather than a public one! Some people do sit back and think they're the 'bees knees' and don't have to bother about other people's work, some don't even send an e-mail of thanks when you favour a picture of theirs. But of course, it's just polite and bad manner reaps it's own rewards. I use a three strikes and you're out method, just to be fair (people have problems sometimes). Personally speaking, I find looking at other people's work great fun and quite uplifting. It's amazing what really good art turns up here! Of course, in my background of professional art I have often had to nurture new talent... so I know how important a word can be. Sometimes all that is needed is the right word, rather than a whole sentence.

There is a downside though. Some artist go around every gallery they can repeating bland or frankly ridiculous sycophantic terms purely in order to get return comments.

So far as critical comments and low ratings go. I know for a fact that I have been purposely down-rated on pictures that were otherwise doing very well... down-rated by people who where at the same time giving me 'high praise' just to mask what they were doing. If anyone has any complaints on that score, address them to Renderosity. They are keen to stamp out this sort of thing. There is NO place in a respected gallery for 'Malicious down-rating'.

There is a downside though. Some artist go around every gallery they can repeating bland or frankly ridiculous sycophantic terms purely in order to get return comments.

This is really what my "presets" comment was about. I would also add that some people, like me, don't get a lot of time to sit and look at the galleries.

Cheers
GG

To photostar & e-brink,

I respect your views about how you relate to other members on Renderosity, but I think you're being a little harsh labeling those who don't follow your personal protocols as having "bad manners" & being on an "ego trip".

Everyone who posts their work here isn't necessarily interested in maximizing their comments or ratings. And comments don't have to be tit-for-tat & always be reciprocal. There are artists I comment on regularly or semi-regularly because I really enjoy their work & many of them never comment back on mine & rarely do I get (or expect) an email from them - so what? It doesn't hurt my feelings - I don't expect everyone to like my work. When someone comments on my work, I generally will visit their gallery. If I enjoy their work & see something that strikes me, I will post a comment. If I don't particularly like the type of work they do, then I won't comment. If someone regularly posts comments on my work, I express my appreciation by sending them an email, but I won't automatically post a comment on their work if I don't have something sincerely positive to say.

I have my list of favorite artists & I always view their postings, but that doesn't mean I like every single piece they post or need to comment on every one. And I do randomly browse galleries when I can to find new artists to discover & am always very pleased to discover new work that excites me. And there are a few artists who I have developed a special affinity with whom I communicate when we have something in particular to share with each other & that is valuable to me. But trading comments just to generate more for myself is something I have absolutely no interest in...

I'm getting into this late, but the topic interests me.

I personally don't have a problem with constructive criticism such as  'you need more light here' or 'maybe move this object over there' help me with the next project.  But one of the first pieces I posted back in 2002 received this comment - 'this sucks'.  This was NOT helpful or true criticism, it was just plain meaness.  If it hadn't been for others coming along afterward to give me encouragement and helpful comments, I would've quit then.

grin  Of couse, now I agree with the comment and have since redone the image!

Now I rarely post any image unless I am darn sure I'm completely happy with it, that my OCD half is satisfied.  At that point, comments like the one above I can just brush off and go on with my life.

On the other hand, if I have an image that just doesn't seem to be coming together to my OCD's satisfaction, there is always the 'wip' section or posting on this forum.

Ooop, hubby wants his computer back - see ya'll later!!

Dee/cherokeeheart

ps - any typos are the fault of hubby's lousy screen picture right now - his good monitor is in the shop!

The only thing I really have a problem with is when obviously rushed scenes gain more hits than one where it is obvious that someone has spent a lot of time on. And if you check out the homepages of the former types, they have many 'friends', and of course the latter that have low ratings/hits usually have none or very few friends showing at their homepage. This stinks of 'clickiness'.

This is just as much worth a mention as those getting bad comments for their efforts.

I don't wanna get comments and ratings on my pics, just because I gave comments and ratings. That not what I wanna have!!!! My barometer, is the viewing-count, that says enough to me, when I compare it with other pics. I smile always, when I see a pic with 35 views and 30 comments and ratings and one of my pics, with 200 views and maybe 8 comments and ratings. That's live!!!:-)

Allibaba

To Allibaba,

It's your choice and I'm not knocking you in any way at all but would it not interest you to know what people actually think about your work by them leaving a comment.

If I received 200 views on an image and only had 8 comments left I would be worried that the other 192 didn't think it was good enough to bother commenting on.

Whenever I look at images I leave a comment on about 95% of them, it only takes about 30 seconds to do.

Anyway, we digress as this forum was originally about people leaving upsetting comments and ratings that don't match up with comments, however I must admit I'm enjoying hearing what people have to say.

Tony :-)

Yes of course I would like to know what they thinking about my pics, but that's not the point. I mean, if I comment and rate a picture, I don't wanna get a coomment of this people just because he or she thinks " I must comment on his pics, because he does with mine". This kind of comment I don't need.

...to the viewing- count. I think, I would be very frustrated, if I would get 35 views on a pic and aprox. the same count of comments. That would show me, just the people, where I leave comments, comments on my pics. The others not even look at my pictures .

Allibaba

Oh well Allibaba it goes to show that everyone is different and of course I respect your views and preferences. It's just that I think the whole point of putting images on Renderosity is to find out what people think and learn from constructive comments, that way one can improve and produce better images, but that's just my view.

I'd be interested to find out what other peoples reasons are for uploading their images on here. Is it to get feedback, converse with other artists, check out what other people are producing or just a way of getting satisfaction from looking at peoples work ... or whatever else.

Tony :-)

Tony you should start a new thread for your last question.  I have a feeling it could get longer than this one has gotten. 

Tanglimara

I'd be interested to find out what other peoples reasons are for uploading their images on here. Is it to get feedback, converse with other artists, check out what other people are producing or just a way of getting satisfaction from looking at peoples work ... or whatever else.

I do all this is why I upload and I learned a lot. Many times people do not tell me what iswrong with my images but as I grow I look back and see what is wrong with my images.  How I got this is by looking at other people work. Go in the forums sometimes; enter in  art contest in real life around town. I know we all do diff art and some will not like what I do. That ok. I know some will like it.
anyway  I think you miss one important thing here is I make friends and I IM them sometimes about diff stuff. I meet one live in person too. like to do more of that.

I happy and if I get a bad comment I look as I say to see what what. I do not mind at all. I do not know why people; like the new ones would leave if they got a bad comment but then that them and I am I which is diff persons. Got to read art history to see how those oil painting artists was treated lol a lot of them was treated badly too; that how I think for I read about other artists of the past.
I know I got a time limit here at night for I go to a coffee shop and if I go to one that close at 7pm then i got two hours for comments and upload and rarely I get in the forums. I also look some stuff up on the net at times too lol. I at one where I can stay late tonight but I got to go around 9 pmfor I got to get up and go to work.

When it comes to judging our own work.....
Are we not our own worst critic?

I must admit, I myself have only ever uploaded 1 piece of artwork WIP to this site, and the comments were appreciated. If my work was to recieve a bad review then I would not take this to heart as I would see it as a learning tool for future work.

I know some people do post comments just to be nasty but why do others pay attention to these people  thus encouraging them more.  I find  personally these type of people usually have a great chip on their shoulders. Attention encourages these people.....So why cannot one ignore their stupidity and concentrate on those comments that can be productive to ones artwork whether good or bad it all helps.
Why say something is fantastic just to try and save the feelings of another when you know you can see mistakes or room for improvement. Would it not be best to bring these to the attention of the learning artist in a nice way so one could learn from those more experienced.

I uploaded the WIP so that I may get help thorugh other people's opinions. I could see that I had room for improvement for it, but some times when it comes to our own work we cannot see the forest for the tress so to speak. It always helps when people view your work through their eyes and comment as to what they see.

God Bless
Heavenly_Spirit

i see the errors and will IM the person. in the comment area i will say something good if they lighting is good or some textures. But if something off like something floating in the air when I know it should be on the ground I will IM the person. and do it nice too.

This is slightly off-topic but I think my earlier comment may have been misunderstood a little... it is certainly not harsh and has nothing to do with people maximizing comments or them being tit-for-tat and reciprocal. It's just about pointless silence really!

This doesn't really happen much, but if I look at someone's gallery for the first time and I make a comment and maybe even make something a favourite. I would expect that person to at least acknowledge me for looking at their work in that way. Ignoring me completely suggests to me that they have no respect for me, my work, or their own work! Of course, some people may have problems so I don't judge them harshly or even immediately and I will often go back to their galleries again and again, simply because I like their stuff. If they continue to ignore me though... the silence irritates me and I start to wonder if there's anybody there - art for me is also about the artist.

No one posts work on this site to hear silence! So why do they expect to be able to sit back in silence... it's just plain dumb, in more ways than one.

Quote - Oh well Allibaba it goes to show that everyone is different and of course I respect your views and preferences. It's just that I think the whole point of putting images on Renderosity is to find out what people think and learn from constructive comments, that way one can improve and produce better images, but that's just my view.

I'd be interested to find out what other peoples reasons are for uploading their images on here. Is it to get feedback, converse with other artists, check out what other people are producing or just a way of getting satisfaction from looking at peoples work ... or whatever else.

Tony :-)

Apart from the community contact and constructive feedback i'd say the most frequent other reasons would also include;

• using the gallery as  a showcase of their work, kind of like a portfolio.
• to boost their artistic ego with the positive reactions of others.
• to use the gallery as one big advertisement for their marketplace products.

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I'd be interested to find out what other peoples reasons are for uploading their images on here.

I do it for two reasons, one, so that I have a publisehed record of what I do, and two, because eventually I want to be recognised as one of the artists in this community that is associated with Bryce.

AnnieD,

Good idea about starting a new thread as to the reasons why people post work on Renderosity, I'll do it now as it is really a different subject.

Thanks.

Tony :-)

Just to reiterate that overly critical commenting is still going on.

It was brought to my attention yesterday that someone (who will remain nameless) received what can only be described as a very upsetting and uncalled for comment from someone, who incidently has not posted work on here for a number of years.

This comment was not only extremely over critical but contained obscene language. I know this as I actually saw the comment and have kept a copy of it. The person who posted it was reported to the moderators and asked to remove the comment.

Therefore, just to say again that this is obviously still a problem but it is very comforting that the moderators acted quickly and efficiently and the perpetrator warned accordingly about the TOS on here.

I felt I had to add this response to the thread as I was so outraged after reading what had been posted.

Tony :-)

Personally, I hope the nameless person keeps it up... right up to the point he/she is banned.

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Quote - Personally, I hope the nameless person keeps it up... right up to the point he/she is banned.

That would not solve anything as the offending party could make up another account name and just lay low for a while. Resurface later under a different username.