Just noticed the alert on their newsletter today.

let the speculation, arguing and guessing begin!

Now THAT is a concern!!

I don't really see it as a concern at all, just an interesting turn of events.

RDNA was around before CP, and I'm sure both will survive just fine.

Nah!! Sorry it was tongue in cheek!!! 

I buy my RDNA stuff at CP but not anymore!!!!

Strange things happen since"  SITH MICRO " runs the place..

Chris

Ah, I see ... so the way for the new owners to support Poser is to break ties with two communties that have fostered the growth of the program over the years?

Yeah. That makes sense.

Could be doing support for the HUGE number of products was more costly then whatever profits they were getting from them.

or it could be like Daz, that they want more of thier own "branded" stuff, and more of an exclusive boutique store.

You might have a point there...
But remember DAZ does not make a lot them self .. most PC stuff is bought from vendors.. and
the rest is vendors too
They "only" make the figures...
And CP makes nothing .. Sith Micro "makes" figures ..but nobody realy uses them..
I think its going to be dawn soon at CP ...

Chris

I haven't got anything from them since they started discriminating agains P5 users...;)
Sith Micro....likes it...;)

Quote - I haven't got anything from them since they started discriminating agains P5 users...;)
Sith Micro....likes it...;)

Yeah i do like the Name Sith Mirco too hehehe :woot: just my mad mind at work

*but nobody realy uses them..

*Umm! I use Miki 2 a lot!! 

Quote - *but nobody realy uses them..

*Umm! I use Miki 2 a lot!! 

Yeah YOU ..but YOU dont count .. hehehe :woot: "evil grinn"

:lol:
Chris

CP is owned by SM, so in a roundabout way, a CP figure is a SM figure. That just semantics.

Actually many people like the SM figures, like Miki, Sydney, the G2 males and Nearme.

And they DO still have specific vendors like Sixus, very similar to Daz having PAs, so I'm guessing this is just duplicating Daz's marketing model..

And I do now recall some other debate about being a CP vendor, but then getting buried in a deluge of Rendo and RDNA products, though I don't recall who was talking about it or where.

Mighta been an old thread here somewhere.

And I do now recall some other debate about being a CP vendor, but then getting buried in a deluge of Rendo and RDNA products, though I don't recall who was talking about it or where.

I know what your talking about ...
But i dont think SM is doing this for the other remaining vendors...

Ye Gods...

I suspect they're seriously cleaning house now... wonder what they're thinking.

Funny thing is, I don't think they're aiming their guns @ DAZ (at least not yet).

Seriously, they're targeting Renderosity first.

The reasoning is actually straightforward. RDNA is a Bondware customer, and has always been fairly close to Rendo - enough that the word "adjunct" would not be too much of an ill fit. Rendo of course represents something that (IMHO) CP ultimately views as competition. Rendo is the largest independent community (DAZ has apps, PWFW is subscription, 3DC is too small to worry about, Faeriewylde too niche, Renderotica too, err, not family-friendly, etc...)

Pretty much the same logic behind Microsoft trying to buy Yahoo and not Google - you eat the not-so-big fish before you try to wrap your mouth around the really big one(s). DAZ is too big and diversified for CP to slay offhand, but Renderosity certainly isn't.

I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

Well, I have stuff there.. LOL!

If they'll let ME in, anyone's fair game.. LOL!

Ah - thx muchly - it reinforces what I've been suspecting.

/P

I'm just glad I already re-downloaded everything I ever bought there when they told us about grabbing all the rendo stuff and burned it all to a new dvd. Now I don't have to do it twice.

What about Vanishing Point?  They sell a lot of stuff there, IIRC.

LOL!

This from a guy with a smoking clown avatar... hehee!

Yep, VP, Sixus, Sanctum Art, Netherwoks, PhilC, they have a nice stable of content creators that call them home.

If nothing else, they have many more artists there now then when RDNA started up.

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I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

Well I broker there so guess the rot has already set in :P

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I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

Well I broker there so guess the rot has already set in :P

ROFL! Great minds! They've got us and Gareee. Anybody else want to come over and lower the property value with us? :lol:

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I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

/P

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Mmmm and How many Pro. vendors can you name ?
And then i mean Pro's that can make their living from it  ..otherwise its a amateur...

I realy wonder how many P can name..

Chris
Proud Amateur :woot:

*What about Vanishing Point? 

• As far as I know It's all cool with SM/CP.

*I wonder how long it will be before CP opens up to allowing
amateur merchies to post goods for sale?

• I reckon that would be a good thing. Good for customers and good for vendors. 

-I thought Renderotica was the only place you could get SM-stuff? Are they turning CP in an adult-site as well?

:blink:

Spring 's in the air...  why should I?   (stupid dutch joke)

hehehe .... So boring, with what kind of Boor ? ..

Ahum ...
Chris

Sorry Chris, I know I have to update my tag-line but I'm a little too busy, too lazy and out of inspiration and if I change it now your remark won't make anymore sense, so I leave it like that untill no-one is interested in this tread anymore. Oh MG, I hope this won't be one of those 25-page threads .

Bopper

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Quote - LOL!

This from a guy with a smoking clown avatar... hehee!

Not exactly what I meant (sorry if that came out as insult). I simply wasn't aware that they took in direct consignments (for lack of a better phrase). The suspicions I refer to are listed above... that companies are getting the boot for a reason.

Vanishing Point, Sixus, Sanctum Art, Netherwoks, PhilC... they're all one/two-person shops, IIRC - no big deal keeping them on (and some, like PhilC, are advantageous to keep around).

RDNA and Rendo are not one-person shops.

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Quote - I reckon that would be a good thing. Good for customers and good for vendors.

Never said otherwise... but it reinforces the fact that SM is going to be competing directly against Rendo, as opposed to continuing a partnership with them.

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Quote - I thought Renderotica was the only place you could get SM-stuff?

Well, IIRC the RMP still sells some (they just don't make a lot of noise about it ;) ).

Quote - Are they turning CP in an adult-site as well?

I doubt it - which is why I can sit back and watch in amusement at the coming competition... :)

/P

Strange move.... there's not much support around for the poser figures like the G2 series and from that little support there is RDNA may well have been the largest around.

Wondering what CP's next move will be, but they're store is getting less and less interesting and if it wasn't Cyllan selling at CP only, wouldn't even spent money there anymore.

Actually, that makes me wonder if RDNA will still support SM's figures, or if they'll shift to the daz figures instead.

And Pengy, no offense taken at all. Besides, who has time for poserverse drama? (Well, at least who has time this week for it.. LOL!)

Just saw the newsletter with this info on there...

I gotta say, I'm a li'l bummed because I really preferred CP's site over RDNA. RDNA's sits feels very cluttered, and isn't as well laid-out when looking at the store. That's my opinion, at least.

Quote - Actually, that makes me wonder if RDNA will still support SM's figures, or if they'll shift to the daz figures instead.

RDNA is invite-only for merchies, so it would depends on them. They do a fair balance between DAZ and SM/Poser-Default.

OTOH, if the break w/ CP means smaller revenue for RDNA and they have to do any cut-backs, I wouldn't doubt that those who do exclusive SM figure stuff would be the ones eyeballed first. :)

Quote - And Pengy, no offense taken at all. Besides, who has time for poserverse drama? (Well, at least who has time this week for it.. LOL!)

'zackly.

This weekend it's going to be a blast... I get to install a shedload of services all day Sunday, but before that, do a 6-hour round trip drive Saturday to West Armpit, Oregon (the missus has family there, and they appear to be the small minority of sane non-Deliverance types in that area... and for a guy who comes from the Ozarks, that's saying something).

/P

It could be that CP et el wants to break away from 'Barbie Doll' sites and develop  more varied professional content other then V3 characters and clothing textures.

Highly unlikley unless they are really going to clean house.  All the new stuff is just the same. There for a couple days it was nothing but pages of poses upon poses being added for the mil3/4 peeps.

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Ok just gotta chime in here....

As far as RDNA peeps supporting CP/SM/EF/whatever-the-heck-you-wanna-call-it-this-week figures, that will be up to each individual merchant and comes down to what their preference is, as it always has been. We are not going to punish our current or potential customers, just coz some big wig company has played their hand very badly. We have far more respect than that. And really, when u get down to the nitty gritty, those figures have nothing to do with SM, other than the fact that they own them now.

That said, I can honestly say RDNA wouldnt discriminate against any of their merchants for supporting those figures. Thats a pretty extreme conclusion to jump to and not a cool thing to say about the admin who fight for our rights daily. I wouldnt worry about RDNA falling... I think you all can expect some great things to come.

As they say, out with the old and in with the new

I don't think RDNA is failing at all, the only one starting to fail is CP, after all they're the ones loosing customers and a good number of people not renewing passport.

Quote - The reasoning is actually straightforward. RDNA is a Bondware customer ...

My speculation is that it's related to the store interop (which might mean SanctumArts will "mutually part ways" at some point).

*"Vanishing Point, Sixus, Sanctum Art, Netherwoks, PhilC... they're all one/two-person shops"

Um, actually Vanishing Point is a 18 man operation, with 11 of those being exclusive to Vanishing Point.

(edited to fix error, it should read: 18 man and one woman operation)

SanctumArts hasn't released anything for a long time now are they actually still around creating stuff for the poser market?

Their last website update dates back to August last year, I don't think they're planning on getting involved anymore at all. Since they've moved to CP away from DAZ, they've been very quite, except from some peeps here and there, but not as it used to be.

It's a shame that companies like CP & DAZ have such a influence on merchants, they've sure destroyed a few good ones over the years, it's a shame.

Quote - It could be that CP et el wants to break away from 'Barbie Doll' sites and develop  more varied professional content other then V3 characters and clothing textures.

I gather that Renderosity and RDNA terminated the partnerships when it was time to renew the contract.   I believe CP/Rendo was a mutual decision. We don't know whether it was CP decision or RDNA or a mutual decision to discontinue partnership.

I doubt that CP's customer base is that much different from Rendo's from DAZ's from RDNA's... So it may be more hassle then it's worth for everyone to try and keep the stores connected and coordinated.

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My speculation is that it's related to the store interop (which might mean SanctumArts will "mutually part ways" at some point).

Nope to both.  That is not and was not the reasoning nor the cause.

After all these changes at CP I'm really regretting it that I renewed my CP-passport recently.  There's actually not much left there that attracts me. I never was a big fan of the original poser-models, even Miki2 didn't appeal to me.
It looks to me that CP/SM is kicking out all the concurrent poser-sites which in fact makes sense in the case of rendo, because the biggest part of their merchanidise was DAZ-related.
But I'm really surprised they cut with RDNA, I always thought this site was more or less related with CP, a bit like the late posepros and DAZ. The stuff at RDNA for the G2-models is IMHO rather good, in any case of much greater quality than the garbage they sell at CP, like the ridiculous and very inaccurate Dutch clothing set. (I'm sorry for the maker, but I feel deep insulted by that)
With all the vendors they kick out, they also kickout a lot of customers, who would also had bought some CP stuff, when they visited the site, but will now stay out (like me for instance, passport or not)

Bopper.

Ah, didn't know VP was bigger than I'd thought; my apologies. Now for a question: when's their contract w/ CP come due?

As for RDNA, yes they began as a Bondware customer. Are they still using it, or has it been ditched now? I had figured that the connection figured at least somewhat prominently...

So was it then a show of solidarity, a distaste for having to split sales, or ...? No pressing need to tell, I understand, but I am curious.

Glad to see you taking a stand for the G2 figures, guys. :)

As for quality, I find RDNA to be the better of the two, but CP isn't exactly a slouch either.

I'm kind of surprised at the break between the two, because (prolly wrong on this one too - ) didn't RDNA (or some of the merchants therein) build --or help build-- the G2 figures? The thought keeps crawling into my head now that I think about it.

/P

Hello All,

Just want to let RDNA/CP customers know that all products are still available and will remain so at RDNA. That includes all the G2 supported products too.

Anyone who has purchased anything at RDNA/CP can make backups of their purchases through their CP account for 30 days until April 15.

You need not be concerned about receiving updates for RDNA products purchased at CP. If an update to a product becomes available you just need to show proof of your purchase and we would be happy to give you a download link.

Thank you all for your support during this time. We look forward to seeing you at RDNA.

Colm...:)

Smith Micro Graphics is doing a really fine job of casting gloom around and about their CP customer base.

Sigh, for me, it's back to shopping direct at Renderosity and RuntimeDNA.

More sighs.

I just read the news letter. What a friggin hassle. I'm going to have to DL everything from CP now to make sure I have an extra backup disk and I need to print out every order to make sure I have proof.

This really reinforces what I was talking about in a thread at Daz when I had to chase around and find the updates of some plugins I had bought there and Daz wont support them. I said it would be better to buy straight from the merchants store even if it cost a few extra bucks.You would not have to chase for info and where to get the updates. Also now you have this with CP, having to do all this extra work if you want updates.

I had bought quite a bit of R'sity and RDNA stuff there because of the membership benefits. Not looking to good at me renewing or spending much there now, will have to see how the future hold for CP. It's not worth this much hassle right now.

Tashar59 -

I am in the same boat as you.  Very troublesome.