Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2734970

If I create an image using primarily figures that we've created, am I allowed to post here still ?  Obviously not in the MarketPlace Gallery, but I've had images moved before that weren't promo images and they were moved to the (what was) Product Showcase Gallery.....

Thanks,
Rebekah

You can post images in the regular galleries, as long as you are not advertising any products, no matter who made the figures, as it has always been. You can post images in the MP Gallery, if you are advertising products that are sold 'here'.

What constitutes advertising ? Not being a smartass either, promise.

Great questions, Les. I usually post images I do with my items as well, and if I can't any longer I kinda need to know that.

Clarification please! I always add credits to my pics and list all stuff I've used and where I got it from. Can I still do that or is only RMP products allowed. And I'm not talking about advertising but simply adding credits to my renders, like I always did.

Well, anything like links..{text or live} or any text in the description or image itself like "XXXX by Me at yadayada.com, or "XXXX Coming Soon to yadayadayada.com.

Even something like:

"I made this great outfit, and it's in my store now! Check it out at yadayada.com

Of course there are many, many ways to advertise without text links or live links, sometimes without even really meaning to, or realizing you have done it....we can't really place them all in a list  ;)  If you really are unsure, just slip any staff member a Sitemail and ask :)

Now, if you have something for sale here at the Rendo MP, you can place your images in the MP Showcase, no problem.

If you are using items from others in your images, of course you may use the drop down menu like always, to let everyone know that the item is here at Rendo.

Not really a big list I know, but I hope it helps a bit :)

~Jani

Punt,

You can still let people know where you got items, in the regular galleries.. you just cannot link to it...

You can say XXX at Daz, or XXXX from RDNA, etc.. etc..

Ah ok, that's what I did, just mentioned the store name but no links. Ok, then it's the same for me as before. :-)

Only items that are found in the Renderosity MarketPlace will be shown in either area.  Any new posts or gallery images regarding outside content will be removed.

So does that mean that you can show new clothes for V4 or A4 or even the G2 figures but not with the figures in it.? Well, that sounds very professional! I wonder how the texture-and charactermakers are going to solve this!

How about I make this a bit clearer if I can.

Rendo MP Gallery/Forum-
No live or text based links to offsite stores.
No text in description field, or image itself, advertising a product that is for sale at an offsite store.

Rendo Regular Galleries-
May advertise/credit vendors at Renderosity using drop down menu provided.
No links, text based or live, to offsite stores.
May credit offsite stores/vendors in description field without links, text based or live. Ex: "OutfitX at Daz"

Does that help? Or have I confused you all,  as I have began to confuse myself? :laugh:

Quote - Since the thread was locked, I will ask here....

If I create an image using primarily figures that we've created, am I allowed to post here still ?  Obviously not in the MarketPlace Gallery, but I've had images moved before that weren't promo images and they were moved to the (what was) Product Showcase Gallery.....

Thanks,
Rebekah

Prior to this change anyone with a store anywhere was allowed to post in the "Product Showcase Forum" and "Product Showcase Gallery" advertising their wares. 

Now by the looks of that announcement you linked to, only Renderosity Merchants and their Renderosity MP products are allowed to be advertised in those areas.

Anyone who doesn't have a store here at Renderosity can no longer post a link to their store advertising their new products or product sales, or indicate that their product is sold someplace else.

Basically Renderosity has taken on a "Renderosity MP" exclusive policy when it comes to product advertising.  Which means that those who do not sell in the Renderosity MP, can no longer post about their products sold in other stores on the Renderosity website, because the only 2 places where it was allowed no longer permits it.

Next thing you know, they will change the policy for the entire site by stating you can only post images in the galleries using only items purchased at the Rosity Marketplace.

Does that help? Or have I confused you all,  as I have began to confuse myself?

In fact this whole thing is confusing: Where do you draw the line? The major part of the things that are sold in rendo are addons that are meant for content that is made ouside Rendo and is sold at sites like DAZ , RuntimeDNA and CP.  Suppose I wanted to make some textures for the new dragon at DAZ and want to sell that here in the MP, I can't  show that in the MP-forum because I would advertise for the dragon. I can understand that you don't want that sellers from outside advertise in your forum, although I think  this harms the open and neutral atmosphere of Renderosity.
Since the majority of merchants here makes products for non-renderosity content it will be very difficult to keep renders of those content out of the  product Gallery.

Bopper.

Quote - So does that mean that you can show new clothes for V4 or A4 or even the G2 figures but not with the figures in it.?

Who said anything about not being able to show a product? :huh: Now you have lost me :laugh:

Quote - Which means that those who do not sell in the Renderosity MP, can no longer post about their products sold in other stores on the Renderosity website.

Not necessarily so Acadia....

Quote - Rendo Regular Galleries-
May advertise/credit vendors at Renderosity using drop down menu provided.
No links, text based or live, to offsite stores.
May credit offsite stores/vendors in description field without links, text based or live. Ex: "OutfitX at Daz"

Quote - Suppose I wanted to make some textures for the new dragon at DAZ and want to sell that here in the MP, I can't  show that in the MP-forum because I would advertise for the dragon

Nope, simply showing/advertising the texture on the figure is not considered advertising that figure....

You could say something like:

"New Texture for the Daz Mil Dragon"

Product Requirements: Mil Dragon at Daz

I fail to see why the staff at Renderosity, many of who were once long standing community members, would actively enable something that really only hurts small stores, which are actually run by people who are helpful and active parts of the Renderosity community; a policy that is pointless and hamless to the larger stores who, as far as I am aware, have never done anything collectively helpful for Renderosity, it's merchants, and it's members.

I understand why the store owners think this is all neccesary. I just am amazed so many, once community members, are willing to be apart of it. Is site mod or admin status that great? Many of you have been around long enough to see enough to see where this type of "bubble enviornment" leads.

I just find it a very disloyal gesture to people who have participated on the site for years, where others constribute nothing. I don't mean to judge you guys for backing all the recent policies, but I just can't help it. It seems wrong and insincere. And it is not going to help anyone, least of all Renderosity in the end.

Many of us who make content, support and promote merchnat's here at Rendo that support out content. It seems a slap in the face in light of that.
 

I guess we're second class citizens now, Anton. Sniff.. and I LIKE ham!

(ReRead yer post.. hehee!)

It's like every store is trying to create some big gravity field to suck people nearby, and not allow any cross pollination between stores.

Next thing ya know, our avatars will have to only be from the store we are posting at.

Quote - > Quote - Which means that those who do not sell in the Renderosity MP, can no longer post about their products sold in other stores on the Renderosity website.

Not necessarily so Acadia....

Quote - Rendo Regular Galleries-
May advertise/credit vendors at Renderosity using drop down menu provided.
No links, text based or live, to offsite stores.
May credit offsite stores/vendors in description field without links, text based or live. Ex: "OutfitX at Daz"

My statement still stands.

For example if Sixus1 created a new product and did a render using it, they can no longer post in the "Market Place Gallery" or the "Market Place Forum" using that new product and giving themselves credit.

IE:   " by me"  or  by Sixus1 Media"

Because to do so would be personal advertising of their product.

So your new rule (which I think is completely stupid by the way), prevents them from advertising their product on this website because the only 2 areas (Product Showcase forum and gallery) were the only places that allowed it, and now they don't.

After the fiasco with the Free Stuff Forum when it came into being where Renderosity tried to make it so that only   "Renderosity Exclusive Freebies" that were in the Free Stuff area here were allowed to be posted in that new forum, I just knew in my gut that  this new merchant advertising policy was just around the corner.

They want to "benefit everyone within our growing community.  Doing that requires making the appropriate adjustments to keep in stride with the rest of the industry."  and  "In the end, this is a move that will benefit not just the MarketPlace, but the community as a whole."

My question is how?
It's actually blocking out anything the is happening in the industry unless it happens at Rosity and someone needs to take a look at the meaning of "community" before trying to use it here. As the new policy stands, it does not convey the richness, diversity and complexity of a community. Rosity is not the community as a whole. Hey, they aren't the only fish in the sea.

Apparently Rendo doesn't.

My theory is that Renderosity, still smarting from being dissed and dropped by Content Paradise has instituted this new, restrictive policy as retaliation to exclude Content Paradise promotions--though everyone is included to make the policy seem consistent and reasonable.

You know I suppose that I have a personal stake in this argument as I do promote my site products in the Product Showcase (as it was).  However, I also posted coming soon to Renderosity (when I did and now do) have a rendo store as I know there is a wait during testing.  So someone who'd rather shop at Rendo could feasibly wait a week for it to come here.

Anyways, I feel that if folks here believe that offsite product postings - in the Product Showcase or gallery - are really burying Renderosity Marketplace postings, why not just create a new forum for Offsite Product Postings (and even limit those to one per week per poster)?  I think that would better benefit the community as a whole... honestly ;)

My 2 cents.

So, if I make an image using something that I created, I can post in the regular galleries and say in the description, "blah blah product by Sixus1 available at Content Paradise" but don't post a link to it  OR "blah blah product by Sixus1"  (still obviously without  link) ?  The reason I brought it up is before I've had to move images that did that to the Product Showcase Gallery....now I can't post there if I give myself credit.....

--Rebekah--

Quote - So, if I make an image using something that I created, I can post in the regular galleries and say in the description, "blah blah product by Sixus1 available at Content Paradise" but don't post a link to it  OR "blah blah product by Sixus1"  (still obviously without  link) ?  The reason I brought it up is before I've had to move images that did that to the Product Showcase Gallery....now I can't post there if I give myself credit.....

--Rebekah--

Based on the the old (still in existance) rule of no advertising in the galleries outside the "Product Showcase Gallery", combined with this new rule of no outside products advertised in the new "Markep Place Gallery", I would say, no, you can't do that.  And if you do, you would be in violation of the existing rule of "no advertising in the regular galleries."

Even under the old existing rule of "no advertising in any gallery outside Product Showcase", a non-merchant/regular member, could not post an image in the regular galleries,  indicating that the item in the image was soon to be in the merchant's store because that was considered "advertising." 

They aren't revoking the old rule of no advertising in the regular galleries. They are however, revoking the ability of outside merchants to advertise their wares by only allowiing Renderosity merchants to advertise in the gallery in the new Merchant Showcase.

It seems that if you, a merchant,  want to tell people that you created a product and where it can be found, you need to be a merchant here now, because doing so in the regular gallery violates the "no advertsing in the gallery" rule.

As I said earlier "Basically Renderosity has taken on a "Renderosity MP" exclusive policy when it comes to product advertising.  Which means that those who do not sell in the Renderosity MP, can no longer post about their products sold in other stores on the Renderosity website, because the only 2 places where it was allowed no longer permits it."

And if Renderosity can't see that this is the case, they need to go and read their rules again.  I suspect this is yet another one of those rules that was introduced without much thought given to the consequences of it.

Instead of trying to draw people to the site, it seens Renderosity is hell bent on alienating them instead.

January, February, March, Ap... WAIT! It ain't September yet!
The sweep came early this year!

Interesting.

Glad I don't post my work here.

This is such a silly rule.

I understand the intentions behind it but wow.

so now in the main poser forum, cause lets face it that is the main forum, an agent working undercover for merchants will just post about the great new product that just came out and post a render of said product which could be by the merchant as long as it's not a promo shot.

following all the rules the merchant can get their product 'advertised' but not by them breaking no rules and in the main poser forum where it can be seen the most.

oh wait I can have up to 10 emails accounts with my isp.  clone accounts!  I could promote a merchant with 10 users, all being me raving about the new product!  yeah!

Me:  have you seen XXXXX
I:  Why no I had not seen that XXXXX was out, where oh where can it be found?
myself:  You didn't know?  It can be found at YYYYYYY.com !  It's SOOO GREAT!

As a general user that is not a merchant, not a beta tester, I would not be breaking any of the rules.

How soon ya think this will happen in the poser forum?  Anyone wanna take bets?  Too late!

Thread "Millenium puppy is out!" by a general poser user.

Rendo is so hilarious.

@Rebekah:

Quote - So, if I make an image using something that I created, I can post in the regular galleries and say in the description, "blah blah product by Sixus1 available at Content Paradise"

Nope, in the regular galleries, you could only say something like "blah blah product by Sixus1" OR "blah blah product - CP"...something to that effect. It has been that way as long as I can remember, and that has not changed.

The only thing that has changed, is that outside vendors can no longer advertise their off site products here in the MarketPlace Gallery and Forum like they used to.

@Netherworks

Quote - II feel that if folks here believe that offsite product postings - in the Product Showcase or gallery - are really burying Renderosity Marketplace postings, why not just create a new forum for Offsite Product Postings (and even limit those to one per week per poster)?

It's not a bad idea..but I don't know if that will happen or not. I actually like the Forum idea...I can bring it to the team and see what happens..?

Quote - @Netherworks

Quote - II feel that if folks here believe that offsite product postings - in the Product Showcase or gallery - are really burying Renderosity Marketplace postings, why not just create a new forum for Offsite Product Postings (and even limit those to one per week per poster)?

It's not a bad idea..but I don't know if that will happen or not. I actually like the Forum idea...I can bring it to the team and see what happens..?

Thanks!  At least someone is listening and even if the team says "thumbs down" I appreciate the consideration.

Again you could even limit the number of Posts per week on an Offsite Product forum and you would have enough control that way to not overshadow the Marketplace forum.  I think it's cool to see Steve Shanks poserworld posts and things new at DAZ and so on and taking myself out of the equation as a merchant, as a Renderosity end-user, I personally like to be able to see what's going on around the community inside of Renderosity.  You're still getting folks coming HERE to see what the latest things are even if they do see an outside link... so what?  The jump-point was Renderosity.  It fosters good community and people will want to come back.

Machineclaw makes a good point and if you read between the lines, even with the most innocent of intentions, folks posting about a new thing at DAZ, for example, in the general forums (which is nothing more than a "Hey! This is cool!" post about something in the poserverse) is just as much advertising, even roundabout.

MC....that is not a advertisement by an offsite vendor in the MP Gallery or Forum...we never said nobody could mention anything about a product somewhere else in the regular forums.

Quote - Machineclaw makes a good point and if you read between the lines, even with the most innocent of intentions, folks posting about a new thing at DAZ, for example, in the general forums (which is nothing more than a "Hey! This is cool!" post about something in the poserverse) is just as much advertising, even roundabout.

Yes, I do see where that might get pretty darn confusing...and I do see where it can be seen as unintentional advertising......hrmmmm...give us a chance tho..we do want to make as many people happy as we can, and we do listen ;)

"Nope, in the regular galleries, you could only say something like "blah blah product by Sixus1" OR "blah blah product - CP"...something to that effect. It has been that way as long as I can remember, and that has not changed"

Soooo, I can't say that I made something and where it can be found ? But if I was using something that someone else made in an image, that is sold elsewhere....I can state both who made it and where it can be found ?  

--Rebekah--

I would think the powers that be at Renderosity would want folks to come here to see what's new in the greater Poser community.  Period.  The whole thing seems silly to me.  If DAZ has a new product I'm interested in, why, I'll have to go to the DAZ site to purchase that item.  But if I LEARNED about that item at Renderosity that means my eyes were here.  If the powers want to close themselves into a bubble I'll visit the site only as much as I visit other closed stores.

With the changes in the way the Web sites function or display my shopping/visiting has slowed.  Count my posts since Renderosity changed their format this last time ... DAZ drives me crazy.  Their store is annoying.  Dire warnings about my outdated Internet Explorer and FLASH animation ... Can't finding anything without sifting through pages and pages.  I don't even go to Content Paradise, although that's where I used to purchase RuntimeDNA stuff since their last big makeover.

The great thing about Renderostiy is it still functions well and it's the largest, most well informed, community in the Poser Verse.  I should think that would be worth holding on to.

Best Wishes All,
Rªnce

As a regular customer I have to say that I feel very unhappy about this move. The product showcase forum was for me a place to visit to see what was new and especially outside renderosity (!). If I want to see what's new in the marketplace, I just click "what's new in the marketplace" and I do that on a daily base so I don't miss anything, besides that I'm getting the weekly newsletter by mail, with all the new and hot MP-produkts. And I regret to say this but a lot of it is the same as usual: some new clothes, some new characters or some new textures.
The real interesting things where always anounced in the product showcase, like wardrobewizard or clothingmorphkits, to call some.
If I now want see what's by the none-rendo vendors, I have to look at their own sites, but what's worse: new vendors are no longer allowed to announce their products here, so they won't have a change to market their products unless they sell it here (at a 50-50 base!)
I first said I understood why rendo made this move (some posts ago), but I was wrong: IMHO I don't think they won't sell anything more,

regards,

Bopper!

Quote - Soooo, I can't say that I made something and where it can be found ? But if I was using something that someone else made in an image, that is sold elsewhere....I can state both who made it and where it can be found ?  

--Rebekah--

Right! But when you state who made it and where it can be found, you can't provide an html link to the item...just the name of the site.

So theoretically you could make a second user name, post your image and give your other user name credit.  But you can't give yourself credit using the same user name.

This whole thing is so backwards that it's giving me a headache to even think about.  What a screwy rule change.

Nobody except the creator that is. Which is quite discriminatory, yannow... and lends itself HIGHLY to deception.

Scenario 1:

Honest merchant A: I have a new product elsewhere, but I can't advertise it at Rendo. Oh, well.

Scenario 2:

Dishonest merchant B: I have a new product elsewhere. Hey, buddy, make a thread for me!
Buddy C: Of course! And make it not look like blatant advertising, right?
Dishonest merchant B: Of course! Now get on wit yer bad self!

The idea of an "Offsite Merchants" gallery or forum is the best one to date. Or you could actually learn what COMMUNITY means, and get rid of this rule. I closed my Rendo store last year about this time for more and more niggling little things. This alone would have made me close it.

I have to agree with Val... it seems every time I turn around, there's a new rule here... or a new charge... it's getting tougher and tougher to enjoy myself here at Rendo...

The constant niggling doesn't help the customers or merchants. And in the long run, it'll hurt the site and the store.

I sell here, at XXXXX and at XXXXX. I used to sell at XXXXX, before they closed. Some products are offered at more than one site, here and at a boutique store to help them get a leg up. I liked coming to Rendo and looking in the Product Showcase gallery to see EVERYTHING that was being offered in the Poserverse at one go. Now I go to XXXXX to do that.

These constant nit-picky rules make this less community oriented, and makes me feel less at home...

sigh

I very rarely post in the forums, but I am a long time Renderosity customer who has spent ridiculous amounts of money here for something that is just a hobby, and I am absolutely infuriated by this new rule.  You (the management)  have destroyed one of the most valuable assets of this web site.  I used to come here on a daily basis to peruse the new products forum to see what was being announced from the community at large.  Now all I see is what I could find by browsing the marketplace, which I did anyway - before I would browse the forums.  I no longer have any good reason to come here on a daily basis, especially since I now have to visit a whole bunch of other sites directly to see what is new.  That means I will spend less time browsing the RMP and more time on other merchants' sites which means less sales for you.  Please rethink this rule, as it will only hurt Renderosity in the end both in terms of lost sales and unhappy customers like me.

Interestingly enough, DAZ still allows "advertising" as long as posts are tagged commercial.  No wonder I'm hanging around their forums more these days...

I wanna see an admin answer what Anton said. Really, it could be very interesting. ;-)
Particularly this part:

Quote -
I understand why the store owners think this is all neccesary. I just am amazed so many, once community members, are willing to be apart of it. Is site mod or admin status that great? Many of you have been around long enough to see enough to see where this type of "bubble enviornment" leads.

I just find it a very disloyal gesture to people who have participated on the site for years, where others constribute nothing. I don't mean to judge you guys for backing all the recent policies, but I just can't help it. It seems wrong and insincere. And it is not going to help anyone, least of all Renderosity in the end.

Of course, I would have to point out that the "store owners" couldn't possibly be further detached from the idea of "community" as it relates to people. Community as a commodity, yes, that they understand well.
But ever since they magically discovered they owned this strange Poser thing 8 or so years ago, the Community aspect of it has slowly slid away.
And this new move is a perfect example of that. They are not even remotely concerned about any of what Anton pointed out. It's entirely a non issue, not even worth considering even in the remotely hypothetical possibility that it would even occur to the store owners in the first place that this might become a problem.

I can't answer the questions about the business decisions or the reasoning behind them but I can - speaking entirely for myself - answer questions about being part of Renderosity's staff.

This is how it is for me...

I'm a Moderator here because I like this place.  I may not have been here the longest (almost 6 years) but I think I know a fair bit about Poser and art in general.  I also happen to like people.  And, believe it or not, I also happen to like this site.

Do I sit in a bubble away from you guys?  Hell no, you'll see me posting here and acting the fool just like anyone else.  Most of all, what I try to do is to help contribute toward the "excellent learning environment", as the blurb at the top of the page says.  That and  meet and greet the new folks and maybe give some good info and a few laughs along the way. 

So, I try to do my bit for the community, specifically the members here.  And you know what?  All the other guys and gals feel the same, too.

Now, does that sound like someone sitting in a bubble away from you all?

My personal opinions about the business side of it all are... Last time I looked, I don't think Wal-Mart had any free adverts for Woolworth's (or whoever would be your appropriate Store of Choice).

In Holland a lot of stores has pinboards where customers can stick notes with their own announcements and advertising.

No bad feelings Sam, but I always thought that the forums and galleries had nothing to do with the marketplace, that's what this site gave its community feeling, in any case much more than a site like DAZ or Content Paradise. Poserpros had the same feeling untill it closed. I think the forums are still open, but the last time I was there it felt like an empty building.
But I think I have been wrong..

Bopper.

Comparing it to any relationship between Wal-Mart and Woolworth's is hardly even close to being the same thing. Not even in the same category by any stretch. I would agree, nobody should expect a store to advert for another store. But then again, there's no Wal-Mart Community or Woolworth's Community, far as I know. And if there is, I'm going to perma-block the URL's because that would all be just too weird. ;-)

Re-read what Anton wrote in its entirety carefully. It's nowhere near the same thing.

Having said that, we all know all you mods are cool. I doubt anyone would blame any of you guys for any of these kind of major decisions.
Not so sure how accessible the owners are to you guys now, but I did in fact have a good deal of experience in the past dealing with them. Even back then it was an exercise in head banging to try to suggest anything against their pre-conceived vision of the site. It was very very obvious what the priority was.
Nothing wrong with making money, nothing wrong with having a vision, but there's something somehow bizarre about continuing to do things which alienate a huge portion of your userbase while still calling it a "community".
With each and every new rule it feels less and less like a community, and that's a trend which has been building steadily.

Quote - My personal opinions about the business side of it all are... Last time I looked, I don't think Wal-Mart had any free adverts for Woolworth's (or whoever would be your appropriate Store of Choice).

The very nature of Renderosity along with many other Poser sites is that community and the markets go hand-in-hand, even if in some cases they are segregated.  Real world retail stores really have very little community as we experience here - or at DAZ or what-have-you.  At least I don't know of anyone in real life who's ever said to me "hey dude, we're all going to hang at wal-mart, you in?"

I think a better real-world analogy would be a pub or nightclub - places with strong senses of community and who also sell.  And yes, I have seen bulletin boards in those places with wares offered at other places - you especially see that in medium to large cities in downtown areas.

Yeah, noone would expect Rendo or anyone to directly market other stores in the marketplace proper or in the newsletter.  However, in saying that I must be a mutant because my last site newsletter I actually had an article on our Rendo store opening up, with links to the Rendo store, and though it was self-advertising, I still advertised for Renderosity.  LOL!

But... thinking about it.  Rendo actually does advertise for outside stores.  Can you not buy advertising in the sidebar area?

Renderosity's largest strength over the years, where they realized it or not, is what founded it; that Renderosity has been the bridge between the roads to the rest of Poserdom.

Renderosity is mostly add-on for content core items sold/available elsewhere. What would happen if Daz sent every mil merchant an email asking them to move their mil content to the Artzone MarketPlace? Or if they simply ran a "Content Search" promotion looking to canvas Renderosity's top sellers?

With the revamp of Artzone, finally moving to a glossier-than-Renderosity format, this path of recent decision making is not wise. Do you think they would close Poser Pros without a plan in mind? Artzone is not using the term "marketplace" by coincidence. Does Renderosity really think Daz will not forcibly seek Renderosity's revenue share for their figures at some point? Now come on , see the forest through the trees.

If Daz ever moves to accept Renderosity's vast collection of merchant Mil content, Renderosity will not survive. For the same reasons people chose Renderosity over the Poser Forum online many years ago, people will choose Daz over Renderosity.

A better way is to re-focus all efforts on fortifying that role as the bridge to all of Poserdom/Dazopolis, fostering/repairing relationships with content creators on all sites. Make a commitemt to be a content creator friendly site that private boutique stores would happily recommend to those wanting to broker. Not everyone wants to run a brokerage.

Isn't it time to mend fences, not build walls.

Quote - I very rarely post in the forums, but I am a long time Renderosity customer who has spent ridiculous amounts of money here for something that is just a hobby, and I am absolutely infuriated by this new rule.  You (the management)  have destroyed one of the most valuable assets of this web site.  I used to come here on a daily basis to peruse the new products forum to see what was being announced from the community at large.  Now all I see is what I could find by browsing the marketplace, which I did anyway - before I would browse the forums.  I no longer have any good reason to come here on a daily basis, especially since I now have to visit a whole bunch of other sites directly to see what is new.  That means I will spend less time browsing the RMP and more time on other merchants' sites which means less sales for you.  Please rethink this rule, as it will only hurt Renderosity in the end both in terms of lost sales and unhappy customers like me.

I completely agree! Couldn't have said it better. Renderosity will quickly lose it's status as my main info center for what's going on in the community.

tomlin

I agree with Anton again. Daz has moved forewards, creating art zone's marketplace, that can accept product for character NOT sold at Daz. They are opening things up, and at the same time renderosity is closing things down.

I frequent here because the majority of informed users is here, and I have many freinds here.. but many are migating over to Daz's forums and groups, because of rendo's "grip tightening" over the last year or so.

Quote - I agree with Anton again. Daz has moved forewards, creating art zone's marketplace, that can accept product for character NOT sold at Daz. They are opening things up, and at the same time renderosity is closing things down.

I frequent here because the majority of informed users is here, and I have many freinds here.. but many are migating over to Daz's forums and groups, because of rendo's "grip tightening" over the last year or so.

And I agree with you once again.
LightWave people seem to have a better grip on reality for some reason. ;-)

Myself, I don't have any personal stake in it. I'm not a merchant and I rarely buy Poser stuff, but when I do, it's from DAZ. Just because I know there's going to be more quality check beyond it simply loading...
I just force myself to make what I want myself, and generally do without if I can't. Usually I succeed.

But my take on it is just that it's sad, almost, to see this once way-cool community slowly die as it has been trying to do for years now. God only knows what holds it all together, but with each and every new Policy, the glue becomes a little bit weaker.

Since this new rule about not allowing merchants to post their products and especially utilities for Poser, like Wardrobe Wizard, etc, I'm finding myself spending more time at other sites now to keep up with whats new than I use to spend at Rosity. Rosity use to be the first site I went to but now, it's the last place I visit, mainly because now I have to keep track of new stuff at all the other sites. MOst of the time I'd wait until a merchant posted a new item in the former Product Showcase forum before I'd go check it out but I can't to that now.

What 2 places banned off site adverts?............Steve

Quote - What 2 places banned off site adverts?............Steve

The former Product Showcase forum (now the Marketplace Forum) and the former Product Showcase Gallery (now the Marketplace Gallery).