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Subject: SLI Mode Win64 bits..anyone?Nvidia8800GTS..anyone? Huge Problems!


softcris ( ) posted Sun, 30 March 2008 at 3:03 AM · edited Wed, 13 November 2024 at 7:27 AM

Hi there...after my big disapointment  finding out that my 'dirt' 8800GTS ..'s...(2 of it) could not handle my TWO monitors (can't live anymore in small space to work in).. I went to a 'bread&water' diet and finally brought to my (enormous surprise..2 dare it) self a Samsung 275T - because was the best reviews in a ok size...and also because I could not buy an EIZO same size ;(  
After 3 months finally I'm using the SLI Mode and all is odd!

So it's right here and I've spend about 6 hours trying to set it up and make it work. Yes I'm in it..but no Poser not Vue (64bits)..CS has complaint about the 'Natural Color Pro' (soft include to make it colors right) Even Nvidia's Control Panel is not very 'happy' the 3D tab shows as lots of pixels in  chaos.
Had to reboot the computer about 30 times and try all POSSIBLE interchange between the two cables plus one from my 'old' flat monitor (case I change to Non Sli mode, which I will eventually and change back again...
so here it's.
a 2 cards having 4 HDMI contacts.
Samsung comes with 1 HDMi( DVI- HDCP)  and 1 VGA (RGB) .
I'm using 1 HDMi( DVI- HDCP) For the moment! in SLI Mode.
Ok.
Unfotunelly - trying to make it right I probably made it wrong.
'Now I'm in DIGITAL mode (which I understand is the HDMI funtioning)
Takes eternity for starts Win...does not anything but black screen..

My Device Manager SHOWS 2 monitors!   guess..2 graphics cards..
2 SyncMaster 275T Digital.
Poser does not starts right, can't see what I'm doing...because the windows are overllaping each other in it..even if I try does not shows right - but renders - and shows the render!
Vue 6 also the same (the one I got is PLE and 64 bits) Photoshop is stable but some functions like my brushes 4ex. shows only when I'm in brushes not when I'm in eraser or other.ODD!

Anyone here can tell me what should I do?
Obvious these are not correct and it seems to be the cause of the problems.
Went to NVIDIA to see if any clue I could find there - none! Only BETA drivers etc...

The driver I'm afraid to unistal and then loose contact totally w/ the screen now showing again.
Please? Thanks.
Cris

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softcris ( ) posted Sun, 30 March 2008 at 5:14 AM · edited Sun, 30 March 2008 at 5:15 AM

Content Advisory! This message contains nudity

to illustrated the problem I took One phot with the camera and one snapshot with the pc and enter CS to  make it jpg.
Here you can see what I mean - this one: http://crisgalvao.com/web/render/PICT0003.jpg

is what I see when I enter Poser while is open in the background but minimized. My bacground picture in it!

But really what is in it is that one here: http://crisgalvao.com/web/render/Untitled-1.jpg
Took via snapshot to Cs etc...

Anyone tell me how do fix that? Please?
Thanks
Cris

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pjz99 ( ) posted Sun, 30 March 2008 at 6:35 AM

SLI doesn't give any benefit to OpenGL in any app as far as I know.  Sounds to me like your power supply may not have enough juice to run both 8800 cards.  I have an 8800GTX (one) and the 1KW power supply I have is apparently kind of iffy on whether it can run two 8800 series cards, including all the other crap I have running off it:
http://forums.slizone.com/index.php?showtopic=10342

If one or both cards are not getting enough juice, they run in a low-performance mode with some portions of the card disabled and all sorts of bad things may happen.

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softcris ( ) posted Sun, 30 March 2008 at 4:54 PM · edited Sun, 30 March 2008 at 5:04 PM

Gosh! My Power Supply is 1200Watts CoollerMaster-
You got one as mine?...and you have problems? as I understood.
Back to the shop...
BTW I just come back from the link you gave. Also went to NVIDIA site and checked in their list of cards and compatible PS fro a Sli Mode.
YES. Mine Is in the list.
I'm sorry but I guess, unfortunelly can't point out- it's a matter of drivers.

I received that system in boxes from the internet, decide to send it to specialized shop to assembled it.
Probably the big mistake. They never do make a clean bussines.
I mean that if I KNEW HOW TO CONFIGURE THAT CP from Nvidia - I bet all will right.
Just don't know what to do there too many tabs and too many ..too many all..
Just run the nTune today- the short one. I need to try while in SLI to make the long one 3 hours..got to find time for that. During the night I try but wont continue after rebbot...so I got to be here in front of it.

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magoo ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 1:13 AM

To put it simply, you can't run dual monitors with SLI enabled. Any app that utilizes OpenGL
will utilize SLI, it's not just for gaming like everyone thinks. 1200watt PS is way plenty, I got
2 8800gtx's super clocked on a 850watt PS and never had any issues with it. What driver
version are you using? I've been running 97 series for the longest time, just went to 169.21
tonite and everything seems to be running quicker now. The 169.44 version isn't certified
so I didn't use that one. XP64 here to, the version number could be different for XP32.


pjz99 ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:57 AM

Oh no, actually my machine behaves perfectly.  I only have one card, an 8800 GTX.

Re: SLI and openGL, well, don't take it from me:
http://www.aecmag.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=32

To make a long story short, applications have to be written specifically for SLI, or they don't benefit - or might even run slower!  Maxon (Cinema4D) tech support has directly told me the same thing.

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softcris ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 7:31 AM

Quote - To put it simply, you can't run dual monitors with SLI enabled. Any app that utilizes OpenGL
will utilize SLI, it's not just for gaming like everyone thinks. 1200watt PS is way plenty, I got
2 8800gtx's super clocked on a 850watt PS and never had any issues with it. What driver
version are you using? I've been running 97 series for the longest time, just went to 169.21
tonite and everything seems to be running quicker now. The 169.44 version isn't certified
so I didn't use that one. XP64 here to, the version number could be different for XP32.

  1. yes- Sli Mode Only 1 Monitor Sansumg 275T
  2. yes, 64 XP here too
  3. 2 - 8800 GTS not overcloked - factory default- NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS   400 MHz   512 MB   GDDR3 SDRAM 256-bit
  4. driver in use it's the one from the original cd or latest. Since was no me who instal I have no clue ..got to check that and be back here later.

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at Renderosity since 1999.

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softcris ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:09 PM · edited Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:14 PM

169.21 is driver version of my 2 Nvidia 8800GTS
It's the same as yours . Still when turn to Sli using 1 of my monitors /HDMI connection
Poser runs odd and slow as PII with 256 MB Ram !!!Also the same with Vue6 (64 bits)

So just to make it clear - please what is that is not correct in here? Could it be a matter of Nvidia's Control Panel configuration?
HELP!!!

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Rendering since 1997 and
at Renderosity since 1999.

OS Win 8.1     64 bit


magoo ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:20 PM · edited Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:21 PM

"Re: SLI and openGL, well, don't take it from me:"   it's a 2005 article LOL! Think they've come
along way since then. 8-)

That probably was you problem, the drivers on the CD with the product are always outdated.
Good luck   8-)


magoo ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 3:47 PM · edited Mon, 31 March 2008 at 4:01 PM

Okay, slow with that post. So you are actually running the same drivers. I experience a very
noticable  boost in poser when SLI is enabled (like greesed ligtning) One thing that comes
to mind is your motherboard. If both PCIe slots are x16, if you board is SLI certified it'll have
dual x16 slots. And in the bios is the settings set correctly. Now, where are you connecting your
monitors DVI connector? Should be on the top card (slot1 card) on the connector closest to
the edge of you case. That's monitor 1 connection. For settings in ntune, that can be
cumbersome, there is so many to set or change rather. Forget if I set this or if it's default,
the anistropic filtering to application control. It's a performance and qualilty setting, the rest in
that little menu I have set to highest values.


softcris ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 5:29 PM

Hi magoo!
**My MSI mobo:
**MSI P6N SLI- V2 nForce 650i SLI 4DDR2-DIMM 2PCI 4PCIe SATA Raid Audio GB-LAN Socket775 ATX= http://asia.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodmbspec&prod_no=1169&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=170&cat3_no=#menu

And now, this moment it's NOT SLI Mode, because I wanted to run Poser.
So now the HDMI connector is on the botton left connector and the VGA (with the dongle) is on the top right.
So It it's when In SLI if I'm not wrong in the top right the connection with the ONE monitor, even so because the system does accept otherwise..I have try all positions...only one as 1 display is top right..
ALL set as default. I did run nTunes for 20 min. Not in Sli when runned. Because was so un-stable that I gave up.
Still...I'm lost in space here..

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OS Win 8.1     64 bit


magoo ( ) posted Mon, 31 March 2008 at 6:44 PM · edited Mon, 31 March 2008 at 6:55 PM

Attached Link: SLI Zone Forums

As long as your monitor is connected to #1 card either spot your good to go. #1 card is the card in the #1 PCIe slot. When SLI isn't enabled you can run 4 monitors if you wanted too. When SLI is enabled windows will only see one monitor. Okay the 650i is good, I run the 680i here. Next thing is the motherboard drivers, wonder if the guys that built you system updated to the newest ones.

Now this I don't recommend you doing unless you've done it before and are comfortable
with doing it, flashing the bios on the MB. All the MB makers update the Bios when problems
are ironed out. I started with Bios26, and am with 30 now. BUT AGAIN I DO NOT RECOMMEND
YOU DO THIS IF YOU NEVER HAVE! You can render your MB to nothing more than a paper
weight.

You might want to go to nvidias forums and ask there, might be an easy solution. see attached
link. 8-)

UPDATE: Just saw that the 650i chipset dosen't support  x16 when in SLI reverts to x8, might be
what your experiencing. I know you didn't want to hear that sorry 8-(


softcris ( ) posted Tue, 01 April 2008 at 12:28 PM

Quote -
UPDATE: Just saw that the 650i chipset dosen't support  x16 when in SLI reverts to x8, might be
what your experiencing. I know you didn't want to hear that sorry 8-(

Yes and NO.
Actually I did contact the Vendor,  told me these were good all together to use SLI. since they sold me the entirely system I just assembled in another shop.
So good to know that because I'll go as a hungry lion against them and will obliged then to change for an another model.
BTW
With that system of mine which one you think is a good one? I would like to have MSI just because both my 8800 are MSI. Also I'm running a 8 Gb memory and Win XP 64 bits..so..?  ..?
Thanks a lot
Cris

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at Renderosity since 1999.

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magoo ( ) posted Tue, 01 April 2008 at 4:22 PM

Egg Zactly what I would do, think that chipset was back when all cards were only 8X and just
x16 ready. A board with the 680i chipset will be fine. The 780i 790i is for tri SLI (openGL 3) and
the new 9 series cards which you don't need. Never looked into intel chipsets for a SLI board
so no comments about them, but intel is good. As for the new 700 series with PCIe 2.0 you
get into the same dilema, have to go 790i for 2 x16 in SLI. Don't know why they do that, but the
700s are backwards compatible with PCIe 1.0 cards that's something at least. BTW you never
mentioned you CPU, when building a SLI system one should never scimp on the CPU. Get the
fastest core 2 you can afford, hope you did. With lesser CPUs going SLI can cause what they
 call CPU Bound, the cards end up waiting on the CPU to catchup. Good luck, hope everything
works out for you.  8-)


magoo ( ) posted Tue, 01 April 2008 at 5:10 PM

Hmmmmm...  this is wierd, the MSI specs for 780i board shows  2 PCIe 2.0 at (1x16+1x8)
when the EVGA 780i shows both at x16. either a typo or MSI is cutting edges . The EVGA boards
are alittle more in cost, but I like. I have the 680i A1, works great. Plus EVGA gave me a lifetime
warranty on the MB and both 8800gtx's.

There's a new driver at nvidia 174.74, but it's beta all tho I'm hearing good things about it.
might try it, but who wants to do beta testing yuck.  8-)


magoo ( ) posted Tue, 01 April 2008 at 5:34 PM

whole reply didn't post hmmmmmmm.

The MSI 680i board spec from the MSI webpage shows (   Support Dual PCI Express 16X
interface with either 1x16 + 1x8 or 2x8 operation.) so your basicaly in the same boat. MSI
seems to be cutting edges for cost. Go to the nvidia web site and in the SLI section you 
can get a list of SLI certified hardware, make you decision on that. I don't think these MSI
boards are certified, you want 2x -x16 PCIe in SLI bottom line.      


softcris ( ) posted Wed, 02 April 2008 at 4:23 AM

My CPU is Intel Core 2 QUAD Q6600 2.4GHz 8MB FSB1066
I expend all together around 4,800 USD ( 29.000,00SKr)
I'm furious, because they advise me to use those all together - to run 3D applic. faster and precise.
Problem  is if I don't want to expend a cent more I have to stick with what they got in stock or sell.
Thanks Pal 

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at Renderosity since 1999.

OS Win 8.1     64 bit


magoo ( ) posted Wed, 02 April 2008 at 4:39 AM · edited Wed, 02 April 2008 at 4:44 AM

Your either gonna have to spent alot more if you stay with MSI, only their top of the line board
790i has 2x x16. Get an EVGA 680i A1 board, only $50.oo US more than the one you have.
It's a popular board and on back order on the EVGA site, but probably can find one somewhere.
But don't get the T1, it's the older brother to the A1 and had problems from the get go. They
replaced every board they sold and paid all shipping costs, it was that bad. And I think the T1s
on the market now are just the old ones but fixed. You got plenty of computing power, but you
gotta get the cards working to their potential. That's about typical pricing to go high end SLI, but
way better price than a store bought one like alienware. Good luck, and give a shout when you
get it all working!  8-)

PS: just look for the Nvidia SLI certified sticker on the mother board box or advertising. If it's
certified it's 2x x16.


softcris ( ) posted Wed, 02 April 2008 at 10:21 AM

yes, onlyn that MB does not accepts my memorieas; I got **OCZ2P8008GQ ** 4 of it of *2 Gb each.
Got to find one that is compatible with my ram and CPU (Intel Core 2 QUAD Q6600 2.4GHz 8MB FSB1066) as well those 2 ;  MSI GeForce 8800GTS OC 512MB DDR3 TV-out HDTV DUAL DVI SLI-ready RETAIL PCI ExpressThe shop will change but I got to find the comaptible one.
:(

**

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softcris ( ) posted Wed, 02 April 2008 at 11:11 AM

hi magoo, how do I know if when is in SLI MODE it runs both at 16X?
Got a fantanstic XFXforce  MOBO here un the net that is nForce® 680i LT SLI...can I say that runs both in 16 X? since it's chipset nForce® 680i  ?

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magoo ( ) posted Wed, 02 April 2008 at 1:27 PM

The XFXforce 680i SLI is listed on the Nvidia site as SLI Certified so go and get it! But make
darn sure it's not the XFXforce 680i T1 SLI, that one isn't listed as certified. Those are the only
two 680i boards XFX make, so again don't get the T1 model.  8-)


magoo ( ) posted Wed, 02 April 2008 at 1:59 PM

Looking at a pic of that XFXforce 680i SLI, it's an EVGA A1 board! EVGA must be making them
for XFX, they're not the only company to have EVGA make their boards. Reason being EVGA
works directly with Nvidia when designing the boards. The lay out of that XFX is identical to
mine. I would ask the guys that put it in for you to make sure the latest bios is in, and if not
to flash it for you. You'll be a happy camper after you make the switch.  8-)


magoo ( ) posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 2:49 AM

Attached Link: Link to -->XFXforce 680i SLI

Okay, good you haven't read that yet. I was tired when I typed it, just had woken up. To be clear, don't get the XFXforce 680i LT SLI, I had said T1and it was misleading. But do get the XFXforce 680i SLI, that's the same board as the EVGA 680i A1. The XFX 680i LT SLI  model isn't nvidia certified, and the XFXforce 680i SLI is certified. So most likely the LT might be running x16 and x8 in SLI.

Okay where straight then, you'r getting the "XFXforce 680i SLI " right?  LOL  8-)


softcris ( ) posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 4:07 AM

Ok,I'll shop now! Thanks
Cris

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at Renderosity since 1999.

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softcris ( ) posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 4:30 AM

Gosh..no one has in stock that one; XFX 680i Sli.
But they have that one: **ABIT Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLI,nForce-650i SLI ,DDR2, Socket-775, GbLAN, 2xPCI-Ex16
*Can that be okay? or you think it should be XFX 680i SLI model? Cause I can order from factory but takes much longer time..also much expensive than buying here.
?????
Cris

**

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at Renderosity since 1999.

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magoo ( ) posted Thu, 03 April 2008 at 3:59 PM

Attached Link: Nvidia page for certified boards

650i chipset a big NO! Don't step back get current, can't stress 680i enough!

Again, that board isn't listed as certified. There are two Abit boards on the list but not that one.
Nvidias list use to have more boards listed, but got smaller with time. SLI is thier baby and
as development went along the 680i is the top of the dual SLI chips. Now they're getting into
the tri SLI and 700 chips.

The Abit they list is the "Abit IN9-32X (SBIOS=M622a 11.B01) the bios # indicating it needs
flashing. I have a abit comp running, I still use it and it's 10 years old.

But bottom line I'd difinitly be looking to get a 680i board and not a 680i LT, why step backwards
The MB ties everything together and you want the best there.

Tiger Direct has a EVGA 680i listed for sale
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2945260&Sku=E145-2012

If you looking local for the board see if you can find a "BFG NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI"
This board again is an EVGA 680i A1 with BFG on it 8-)
BFG is rather the newkid on the block, but I like em. Even have one of thier video cards.
http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgrinf680is.aspx

But what ever you do don't settle for what they got, get a 680i even if you have to have it
shipped. In the EVGA forums I've seen some guys in europe waiting weeks for thier order
to arrive tho.

Keep us posted with you progress  8-)


softcris ( ) posted Sat, 05 April 2008 at 4:36 AM

yes I guess your 100% right,
Have being at Nvidai Forum and 3DGuru too. All says the same: 680i
So now I'll be on bread and water for some more weeks...
That board 680i - which is not LT gets the price way high for my pockets....but as you say..it's a good rig I got here and why setlled for less good if I can have it goood.
So here the final choices:

BFG NFORCE 680I SLI MOTHERBOARD SKT-775 ATX

XFX NFORCE 680I SLI MCP INTEL SOCKET 775 (this one is out of stock! but probably soon will come9

They got as well, ASUS but I don't want Ausus anymore in my life! The worst support possible ever...also the shops won't give any support...so I banned it out. ASUS STRIKER EXTREME NF680I SLI SKT-775 ATX tHANKS

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softcris ( ) posted Sat, 05 April 2008 at 4:59 AM

Again;
Is that one a great one or not?
**ABIT IN9 32X-MAX
**http://www.datorbutiken.com/se/default.aspx?Product=ABIN932X-MAXW

The shop can order, problem with those boards are they are not what people here buys...so it's type: order first to get later..
I do prefer an Abit than any other. Had very good experiences with Abit.**
**

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at Renderosity since 1999.

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svdl ( ) posted Sat, 05 April 2008 at 12:54 PM

SLI runs in 2x8 lane mode on that Abit board.

Here's another option: MSI P7N Diamond. Pricey, but it runs 2x16 lane SLI on a 780i chipset. It'll take your 4 x 2 GB memory modules.

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magoo ( ) posted Sun, 06 April 2008 at 8:01 PM · edited Sun, 06 April 2008 at 8:03 PM

Sorry, didn't get an e-bot that you had replied. DOH!

Either one, the BFG or XFX boards you linked to will do. Looks like svdl got the skinny on
that Abit for ya. I paid $259.oo US a year ago for my board, and it's dropped to $200.oo
only if you can find em.  Have the shop make sure the bios is up to date and you'll be fine.

I use to do Asus, like three builds back, and your correct in saying thier support is whacked.
The Asus Striker I was considering getting for my newest build, but that board is/was full
of problems, but when working right is wicked.

Just a matter of time now. You'll get it!   8-)


softcris ( ) posted Tue, 08 April 2008 at 4:24 AM

Can you believe..I still  have not yet solved that.
one the 680i is kind of out of stock in all affordable shops around her!
I finally saw one 780i: XFX 780i 3 way - SLI  it's kind of expensive but it's maybe available in a week. Not exactly my needs but will fullfil all the needs and left some .. ;)
I have read the 'marque' post about  using a High Definition TV as a monitor! It's a 32 " samsung w/5000 contrast and HDMI connectors.
So I looked up here, and those Tv are super less expensive than a regular monitor about 27 " from same samsung, and 3000 contrasrt.
So I asked her and she told me she uses it for Cs, C+CC++ and many others applications (Vue,Poser etc..) i got crazy! It's totally fantastic to have such big size (mostly when Nvidia has not yet realease a driver that enables to have more than one monitor while in SLI Mode.)
Those Samsung 37" and 40" HD TV  are with 15000 contrast 1.8ms and loudspeakers in it as well 2 HDMI connectors as well VGA. For about 20%,30% less than a 27" monitor from same maker!

Anyone here! Should you use it instead of your regular monitor?

I'm having problems for the shop to take back the 650i board I got here (they say it's 30 days old now) but also I brought with then a Samsung 27"  - 15 times more expensive tahn the board and it's only 1 week old. So I think maybe worth to send back the Monitor and buy a HD tv instead (save some money here ) I can use the board in my son's computer, he does not have a SLi but a PCI-X 16X card - normal but it's ATI not Nvidia...)
XFx specifications , Model; XFX nForce 780i 3-Way SLI Intel Motherboard
(MB-N780-ISH9)       below here.
True 3 x16 graphics
3-way SLI technology support with three NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra or GeForce 8800 GTX graphics cards
SLI technology support with two identical SLI Ready graphics cards System Performance Tools ESA certified motherboard
NVIDIA Control Panel
NVIDIA System Monitor Expansion Slots PCI Express 2.0 support
62 lanes, 12 links: 3 x16* or 4 x8, 1 x16, 1 x8, 6 x1 *2 x16 are PCI Express Gen 2.0, 1 x16 is PCI Express Gen 1.0
Up to 5 PCI Slots CPU Intel Socket LGA775
Full support for Intel Penryn (Yorkfield & Wolfdale), Core 2 Extreme, Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Front Side Bus 1333/1066/800/533 Memory Dual channel memory architecture
DDR2 1200(EPP1.0)/800/667/533 Storage NVIDIA MediaSheild™ Technology
Up to 6 Serial ATA 3.0 Gb/s drives
Up to 2 PATA drives (Ultra DMA 133/100/66/33)
RAID configurations 0, 1, 0+1, 5 Networking Dual native Gigabit Ethernet connections
NVIDIA FirstPacket™ technology
NVIDIA DualNet® technology USB Up to 10 USB 2.0 ports Audio HDA (Azalia)

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Cris Galvão aka Softcris  - www.crisgalvao.com
(or softcris, SoftCris)
Rendering since 1997 and
at Renderosity since 1999.

OS Win 8.1     64 bit


magoo ( ) posted Tue, 08 April 2008 at 11:58 PM

The 780i is probably allot more, but over at the EVGA forums people are saying it's agood
chipset. But they did have early problems just like anything else, BIOS updates fixed the
early issues. That board will set you up for later upgrades 8-).

I was looking at Samsung Plasma tvs when I was looking for a monitor for this rig. Went with
a lcd monitor tho. That's too bad they giving you trouble returning that board, keep trying tho
talk to someone higher up the ladder.

8-)


softcris ( ) posted Tue, 15 April 2008 at 2:12 PM

Hi magoo,
seems that will pay me back the MSI board 650i. got all packed here w/ theirs RMA number.  sending tomorrow morning.

Running Sli now all the time (as in now!) no freezing no strange behaviors...but no extra speed too! ;(
Yes a technician changed the boards and installed all -  the guy did all -  except overclock.
He says is better to use like that and see. if is all fine, he'll overclok it for me.

Latest Bios for the Nviidia chipset, latest drivers direct from XFX site ( could get only after registering the product- very neat those guys!)
Still can't see any improvement that makes WOW..
I do have instaled sp2 in Poser 7. Marked 4 threads.
My last hope is the PoserPro 64 bits now in August they say...
Rest my case here.

I have spend way over my budget...and I'm not far from square 1 - when all that started - my 'need' of a new machine.
All new all shinning new drivers, bios..special technician etc...his opinion btw is: bet with you that the software is not ready for that.
When rendering the benchmark 's scene only active soft was Poser - then using about 25% CPU and 1,50 GB taking all 4 minutes. (http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2732765&page=1  )

Now, have you used special config. at Manage 3D  settings in Nvida CP?
If yes, whice ones? have you add Poser to it?

Well there's a smal detail here: I run Poser from external Western Digital 500Gb (7200rpm, 8MB) SATA but you see it's a USB connection to the pc.

Thanks for the support and smart advises about that board - yes you're right . Just the package itself makes you fall for it.... ;)   great product lay out and emballage, also seems to be a super good value. Not cheap, but probably worth it. let's see .. I'm stick to it for for the next 700 days ahead for sure!
See you around.....
I'm still crying for my mistake in buying that Sansumg 27" (model 27t) when the samsung HD lcd tv  37" is now for 25% less than the monitor and the 40" is also 20 less than the monitor 27"....well I have to live with one now...
See you around pal...thanks again.
Cris

"'you shut up!  or I'll bring democracy to your country! "
Cris Galvão aka Softcris  - www.crisgalvao.com
(or softcris, SoftCris)
Rendering since 1997 and
at Renderosity since 1999.

OS Win 8.1     64 bit


magoo ( ) posted Tue, 15 April 2008 at 3:38 PM

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Good deal on getting a return on your old board. The only boost you experience with SLI is when your moving around in 3D space, not during a render or browsing your object folders. But you have to have it set to opengl in the render prefs, not sreed. Opengl is what wakes up the slave card. And set the accumulation buffer to hardware. Poser is also a heavy swap file user, and XP64 allows you to set a big one. I have the swap file set at a fixed size (equal min & max values) so it doesn't resize or fragment. Poser being on a USB external may give you speed issues (access times).  I run it on my main drives, two WD 150gig raptors set in raid-0.

Are you familiar with going into the bios and set settings? There are some CPU setting that you
can disable, like the power down when idle, and speedstep. Think I only have one setting for
CPU enabled. Think the PCIe setting you want is default for nvidia chipsets. And the SLI ready
memory setting should be enabled, that way you get linked with the FSB and it's running at
at the CPUs frequency. But if I recall correctly you got 800 memory and not 1066, but you can
overclock the memory, but that's a whole nuther monster to tackle.

As for the "Manage 3D Setting" the default global settings is pretty good, you can add a profile
for poser (a profile just sets an app at the settings you want). I've set a profile for poser and you
can manage to crash poser selecting settings it doesn't like, it's a trial and error thing. That
screen shot of poser with the "SLI Visual Indicators" I didn't have a profile set for poser, but
you have to set the SLI Performance Mode setting to "Split Frame or either of the Alternate
rendering modes" in the global settings. And that's only because the Visual Indicator will only
display in those settings.

Just keep an eye out for Bios updates, it's a new chipset and they'll come along quick. Nvidia
is good about that, that last one was a microcode update and also Sata related.

Also, change your undo settings in poser. 30 is just way ridiculous. I got it set at 5.

That slowness you originaly posted about is gone now right?   8-)


magoo ( ) posted Tue, 15 April 2008 at 4:12 PM · edited Tue, 15 April 2008 at 4:12 PM

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Forgot to mention, the 8800 card's heatsink fan is set at 59% operation (default DOH). In the nvidia control panel go to "Adjust GPU Settings" you'll see the "GPU fan settings". Select "Direct fan control" then set to 100%, have to do this for both cards. The second card can take several tries to stick. It'll lower the running temps 6-10c. And these cards run HOT! They'll  operate at 80c with no problem, but that's hot. I got em running pretty comfortable, and it's 73°  F ambient in my room at the moment, but that's at 99% fan speed. You'll notice when  you select 100% it'll set at 99%. This setting isn't permanent either, have to do it upon every boot. They need to fix that, but you can get fan control apps that stay. 

8-)


softcris ( ) posted Wed, 16 April 2008 at 7:25 AM

well seems a lot to change!
I'll have the tech guy to do it - since he'll be more safe than I when changing those things.
I'm printing your posts and showed to him next.
YES  SLOWNESS IS GONE away now..but also no difference in speed from a non-SLI mode. I also have to reboot
Case I change to No-Sli and back too. It does works without rebooting but some  glitches happens so...when rebooted all goes perfect.
That's not a problem. I intend to use Sli all the time.
Yes my RAm is DDR2 OCZ 800Mhz (2Gb each)
Yes, I said the Bios is the last from XFx site.For Nvidia chipset in the board.
Be back here when all changes has done. thanks once more
Cris

"'you shut up!  or I'll bring democracy to your country! "
Cris Galvão aka Softcris  - www.crisgalvao.com
(or softcris, SoftCris)
Rendering since 1997 and
at Renderosity since 1999.

OS Win 8.1     64 bit


magoo ( ) posted Wed, 16 April 2008 at 1:40 PM

There is allot of settings in the bios with these nvidia boards, more than any other comp that
I have in the house. And a wrong setting can give you trouble, or no boot.

Just enable SLI and forget about it, mine is on all the time. I notice a slight momentary pause
when I first start to move the camera in poser. Then it moves in real time no matter how much
I have in there. Thant's when you'll see a boost, it's not like a 100% or 50% boost. But more
like 20 -30%. But I think that USB link is gonna slow you down. With computers you have to
think along the lines, that your only as fast as your weakest link. And that USB connection
is your weak link. The only things I have on my comp that'll use the SLI is one game and my
3d apps. And with the 3d apps it only kicks in when your moving the camera around, or moving
objects around. But your up to speed from your original post and that's a good thing.

BTW: what heatsink did you put on the CPU? I got a Zalman 9700 and I'll tell ya, ya gotta keep
on top of the dust collecting in the fins. Hope you got a door the swings open on your case.
I'm cleaning mine every month. Think I'm gonna change it out for a Tunic Tower tho.  8-)

8-)


softcris ( ) posted Wed, 16 April 2008 at 3:50 PM

"I think that USB link is gonna slow you down. With computers you have to
think along the lines, that your only as fast as your weakest link. And that USB connection
is your weak link. "
unfortunelly it's not!
I just made a test.
Instal Poser 7 in my C. Run it from there and made the same scene for the benchmark,,took 4 min. as same as from usb external HD.
Not the fan over the CPU it's original from the box (Intel's Fan that comes in boxed cpu)
As I said, not big deal with damm SLI thing..
now I do really think I'll try to sell out one of it..and maybe in 8-9 months buy a latest powerfull Nvidia 9000 serie. But first I wanted to try the new Poser 64 bits coming now in August as far as I read about in SmithMicro.
so far a big disapointment with SLI. Since I do not game....
I'll anyway ask the tech guy to make those changes you're talking about.
Actually he  wanted to see some more info about Poser 7/SLi and render engine but I could not say much...
see ya by bye

"'you shut up!  or I'll bring democracy to your country! "
Cris Galvão aka Softcris  - www.crisgalvao.com
(or softcris, SoftCris)
Rendering since 1997 and
at Renderosity since 1999.

OS Win 8.1     64 bit


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