I don't think I like being called a "me too"... maybe.. somewhat... sort of. Though I do tend to slide off-topic a lot and not fully explain what I mean. Had the topic been: "could you please lable your stuff more clearly", it probably wouldn't have gone downhill so fast. But when someone comes in yelling, it elicits a knee-jerk reaction. It's hard enough making the darned stuff, finding a place to host it without blowing your bandwidth, and that won't be offline more than online, and won't delete it after a set time, or make people wait in queue to download it. We won't even get into problems with cross-platform textures. Then the readme isn't right? It just gets to the point it's more trouble than it's worth.

*I'd suggest legal action -- but I'll have to check with my lawyer first. *
LOL- My cat will do stuff pro-bono if ever you need him :)

Seriously though does anyone if theres ever been any form of legal action taken in the poserverse?

I don't mean sending someone a C&D or DMCA, or the popcorn and pitchforks forums, I mean full on legal fisticuffs.

*""If you're going to follow me around in order to snip at me at each post I make, please do try to actually pay attention to the context conversation.""

Here we go with more false accusations.  Yeah I have been following you around - I think the paranoia thing is getting a little bad now. 

I am paying attention to the context and from the very beginning these are the things you've been siting.  If you want to bring these other threads into this thread - than that is your issue.  I reserve the right to respond within the context of the one Im actually reading.  Maybe if none of these issues happened in this thread and all your doing is confusing it due to past threads, you should bump those old ones back up so we can argue it in your pre-approved context.

OR MAYBE - we should just leave it out of this one if it does not apply here.

You know, threads like this one kinda make me second guess offering a freebie. Good thing, if someone doesn't like what little restrictions (if any) I may put in the my ReadMes, I don't give a crap. It's my crap, my rules. Shrugs

Back to the original issue of usage descriptions being messed up, IE: Rendo Preview shows "This is licensed for commercial or non-commercial use." yet in the download ReadMe it states "Not for Commercial Use", I've seen that a couple of times myself. I just delete the item if it's not clear enough what I can use it for.

Quote - *""If you're going to follow me around in order to snip at me at each post I make, please do try to actually pay attention to the context conversation.""

Here we go with more false accusations.  Yeah I have been following you around - I think the paranoia thing is getting a little bad now. 

Let me see, you responded to me, to a post where I replied to Xeno. That does make you look like you're following me around. No paranoia, just an observation to what you seem to be doing.

Quote - I reserve the right to respond within the context of the one Im actually reading.  Maybe if none of these issues happened in this thread and all your doing is confusing it due to past threads..

Well, I have no control over your comprehension or interpretation of things.

Quote - you should bump those old ones back up so we can argue it in your pre-approved context.

My pre-approved context? I'm not the one complaining about the thread drift, you are.

I just noticed before I hit post reply that you also just sent me a sitemail or is that also some sort of paranoia on my end? I haven't read it yet, but I can't imagine there's anything I'd want to discuss with you via site mail or via email at this point.

You are correct Connie I did send you a site mail.  I think it's proper decorum to not make others wade through asinine 1 on 1 arguments when trying to read the relevant info. 
As far as responding to your posts - Pot meet kettle....

 Quote:- "I like the 4 options at ShareCG:  All rights reserved;       Non-commercial use only;
Limited use with credits;     Unrestricted use.
That eliminates any ambiguity as to exactly what they mean."

This still has the problem that not for commercial includes don't sell the models which no one wants to do anyway, and yet free for commercial render would then end up in that catagory.. I really feel the freebies should be ;abelled if commercial rendering is okay, clearly at the place where the freebie is first advertised, and point of download too.  That is the really important bit (not that it isn't important that people might sell the models, but that the frequency of this tpe of misuse would have to be far less)

Love esther

jjroland, please don't send me more site mail, they're not welcome, nor will I answer them. This is not one on one argument, as much as you're trying to make it.

If you think it's not proper forum decorum to argue, and that the argument is asinine, and really care about other people wading through it all, you're welcome to step out any time you like. I don't share your opinion on this matter, so please don't get your hopes up expecting anything from me.

You've already extablished that I'm the bad guy here, so your appeal to my good side isn't going to work. You don't get to try and put me down and appeal to my good side at the same time. Not if you want results, that is.

jjroland,
For the second time (since you sent another site mail) please don't send me more site mail, they're not welcome, nor will I answer them. **This is not one on one argument, as much as you're trying to make it.
**
I will turn this one to admins to see if it can be considered a personal attack. Seems awfully close, but I'll let the admins be the judge.

 ooh I'm out of here.  bye.
Love esther

I would like to have a "Some Restrictions Apply, Refer to ReadMe" option. The ShareCG options are OK but "All Rights Reserved" doesn't tell me much in way of usage.

More options would be good... I hope.

Seems like having to read the readme is a must... But, I'm not an attorney, so what could I possibly know.

Well I'm going to have to step in here for a moment as the Free Stuff Moderator and say, first, Kudos to all members who have the great Community Spirit to share their creations...and next, I actually read the details on every item I approve and a lot of folks just don't get what the Notes section is for. In a lot of cases it would be handy to have usage instructions there as well as the Commercial and Non Commercial notices.
As we don't have the time nor the programs amongst the staff that do free stuff, we don't actually run each object but we do download to make sure it does and then I open the zip/rar whatever and make sure the contents are as they should be before I delete it from my computer.
That aside, we are discussing this in the Mod forum so I will talk about this issue more in the Free Stuff Forum later.. ...

Quote - Bah -- if I ever made a freebie (which I haven't), then I'd just say "do whatever you like with it, except don't sell it or claim it as your own.

Here's the terms and conditions for all of the freebies I have ever made. 

That way, I don't have to give a crap if you sell it, or any derivative of it, or any renders made from it.

BUT - if you do distribute the meshes, textures, or any direct derivatives of the stuff I made (e.g. the 'binaries'), you yourself have to abide by the same license... which means that if you use a freebie of mine in a product of yours, I get a free copy --on demand-- of the meshes and/or textures, including any alterations that you made to them...

...and so does everyone else.

'course, renders made from them are still fully copyrightable (just like any document produced and saved in a GPL'd word processor is fully copyrightable and not subject to the GPL itself).

PS: my wee cat contribution... http://www.vikingkittens.com/  (mind the speaker volume).

/P

""jjroland,
For the second time (since you sent another site mail) please don't send me more site mail, they're not welcome, nor will I answer them. This is not one on one argument, as much as you're trying to make it.""

Whatever - I was trying to be polite to the others here in this discussion.  I was actually fairly certain that you would not want to continue it if it was without the essense of "drama" that the open forum allows.  That really is as much of a response as I needed, and pretty predictable as well.
But don't act like I was spamming you hate mails.  I sent one, to basically say I was done, and another as a sort of PS before you EVER even posted your little warning here.  Check time stamps.  You are very whoa...

No, unfortunately, EVERYONE on the Poser Forum has become very 'whoa' of late.
I have been here since before it was R'osity, and while it was never perfect, people
are far more likely to attack, and whine, and b**ch, and moan, than ever before. I still
have other forums I visit here, but I rarely visit this one anymore. If I want whining, I'll
go to DAZ Commons, they do it better. (I agree with Connie on this one BTW, had the
OP phrased it politely, this whole asinine arguement would never have occured.)

Greywolf, poking his head briefly into the WarZone.

bobbystahr brings up a good point: This should have been brought to the attention of the Freestuff mods and let them develop a plan. Let them get confused. g

Quote - bobbystahr brings up a good point: This should have been brought to the attention of the Freestuff mods and let them develop a plan. Let them get confused. g

That would be a good thing :)

I feel like I've grown a dingleberry, could someone help me pinch it off my fur.

Quote - ""jjroland,
For the second time (since you sent another site mail) please don't send me more site mail, they're not welcome, nor will I answer them. This is not one on one argument, as much as you're trying to make it.""

Whatever - I was trying to be polite to the others here in this discussion.  I was actually fairly certain that you would not want to continue it if it was without the essense of "drama" that the open forum allows.  That really is as much of a response as I needed, and pretty predictable as well.
But don't act like I was spamming you hate mails.  I sent one, to basically say I was done, and another as a sort of PS before you EVER even posted your little warning here.  Check time stamps.  You are very whoa...

Hhere's a reminder of the terms of service you agreed to around here. Whether what you sent me via site mail is acceptable or not, the admins will be the judge of that.

Member/User Conduct:

Members and users are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is constructive and respectful of others at all times. Additionally, we hope that each member/user will work to facilitate a culture of collaboration and positive reinforcement, so we can all share our passion for art while developing our personal ambitions, and friendships.

Members/Users will not use this community for:

Any practices that affect the normal operations of the community (Admins will take whatever steps are necessary to restore service).

• Transmitting any libelous, defamatory, or any other material that could give rise to any civil or criminal liability under the law.
• Personal attacks. This includes but is not limited to, destructive, abusive, defamatory communications in any form, and retaliatory attacks from personal attacks. If you need assistance, please communicate with someone from our Renderosity Team.
• Destructive commentary/communications made with the intent to disrupt or attack (Trolling). This applies to any communications within this community, whether in the forums, art galleries, graffiti wall, chat, blogs, sitemail or article opinions.

I honestly don't know what you are trying to prove acting like what I said in the site mail was something that would fall into that catagory -  Are you insinuating that I called you names or said something hateful?  I didn't kiss your behind or beg your forgiveness but I don't think I was out of line either.

You bringing that into the thread instead of just handling it with admins if you thought it was sooooo bad well thats just amazingly mature.  /golf clap

http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/crybaby.htm

Quote - I honestly don't know what you are trying to prove acting like what I said in the site mail was something that would fall into that catagory -  Are you insinuating that I called you names or said something hateful?  I didn't kiss your behind or beg your forgiveness but I don't think I was out of line either.

You bringing that into the thread instead of just handling it with admins if you thought it was sooooo bad well thats just amazingly mature.  /golf clap

http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/crybaby.htm

Does that fall under a personal attack, name calling, defamatory, uncivility, abusive remark or a character attack? I can't decide.
Would you please clarify how you intended it?

However, if I can't get across to you that this site has terms of service without you calling me a crybaby, maybe the admins will have more success.

I'm following this rule:
Personal attacks. This includes but is not limited to, destructive, abusive, defamatory communications in any form, and retaliatory attacks from personal attacks. If you need assistance, please communicate with someone from our Renderosity Team.

""Personal attacks. This includes but is not limited to, destructive, abusive, defamatory communications in any form, and retaliatory attacks from personal attacks. If you need assistance, please communicate with someone from our Renderosity Team. ""

I didn't do any of that.  Please stop trying to insinuate on a public forum that I did.  Its unbecoming and Im sorry but refusing to handle this privately  is uncalled for and unappreciated.  I have your email Connie, If I was really trying to harrass you I would have used it.  I believe you falsely accusing me of something does fall into those catagories though - so please just act right and stop.

I sent you a site mail as an exit on my end from this conversation.  You are obviously unhappy with that - I do not enjoy having to come back into it to defend myself from outlandish accusations.  So after this I wont.

btw I didn't say "Hey Connie click this link it's you"  but if the shoe fits ya know?  When I was like 10ish my mother taught me to try to handle issues myself before running to tattle tale.  I had kinda thought that was universal.  I thought the same of decency and maturity so lets both try a little of those as well and stop this in the general forum?  I understand you will feel the need to quote back and try to stay on top - you are welcome to have the last word, I don't mind. 

Quote - ""Personal attacks. This includes but is not limited to, destructive, abusive, defamatory communications in any form, and retaliatory attacks from personal attacks. If you need assistance, please communicate with someone from our Renderosity Team. ""

I didn't do any of that.

You've done plenty, in the forums and in the site mail.  Now you're brining up a tattle tale and crybaby as a response to my bringing up forum and site rules. Well, keep digging.
Like I said, I'll let the admins be the judge of that, they're not dummies.

I could say a lot more, but I'm not going to get any closer to violating the rules around here then I already have.

Please stop fighting. 

My Yvonne, the sweetest one..........

Dang, my new computer doesn't have speakers hooked up yet.

One of my cats always does that when she's petted.

Butt-in-the-face is the highest honor a cat can bestow you, don't you know! :tt2:

Only cat picture I have, sorry.

teee heee!   I could use that as an avatar :lol:
Okay, if you don't know about this site already, you must! Srsly!  I's hillarious.
http://icanhascheezburger.com/

I think if everyone involved in this thread put their energy into making cool, interesting freebies, instead of the downward spiral of suckitude that this thread has been from the first post onwards, the world would be a better place.  Even if they had commercial restrictions, incorrectly labeled as restriction-free.

Well, that went nowhere fast, eh?

Suggestion: interested parties should start a polite, civilised and well-reasoned discussion in the Freestuff Forum.   Participants swinging their handbags at each other will not be welcome.