hi all. lately ive been using poser again, and i still like it. judy, i think, has alot of potential, she has alot of morphs fo the face like age and etnical ones:) and i think its cool:) maybe there sould be more clothes for her? or morphs?:) it would b so cool to see her  become popular one day again:)

Judy is ugly. Judy is like a mortal sin. Like a Bell's palsy. Like Hell's Breath. Like an Ork's Fart

There's actually one morph pack I've seen which converts Judy in an usable (and even cute) character: Farrah by Quarker

Here is a pic:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=632603

And here's Farrah at the MarketPlace:

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=18683

Judy got swept aside because she wasnt "pretty" -- some folks went so far as to describe her as b*tt-ugly. IMHO, what it comes down to is what you do with these character meshes, not how they look straight out of the box. I can make the P4guy look better than just about any Michael out there, and folks are always a little surprised at the results. Well, y'know, that's what happens when you go in and work these things a little. Further, Judy got a bad rap as well because she came with P5, which was, for reasons that had little to do with the development team at CL and far more to do with the parent company in Germany, a bug-ridden disaster. Folks loved to pile on anything associated with P5, including the base characters -- so any support for them was going to be pretty much a non-issue.

 yes. i have read alot of things on judy.:P still like her:) and i guess i see her as useful as v3 and v4:) 
i might even buy wardrobe wizard, or cross dresser so i can use v3's clothes on her:)., i was also considering hexagon or z brush or something for making  body morphs  :P . i am making a render of her, 
and gave her an african look:)

And there is EJ too:

http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=29929

 yes i have ej:D she's a cutie:D  it was worth every penny:)

if more people actually used it id consider doing a morph for her, but it doesnt seem like very many people do - or do they?

 i have seen here and there:) and maybe those who got p5 for free at content paradise?:) but who knows:)  

Judy is one of my favorites. She has one spot between her nose and eye where 5 polys converge, which can make for some ugly renders if you don't get the lighting just right. That might limit morphs, too. But she has nice shoulders, unlike some of the newer figures, and she does nicely in very feminine images.

I still like judy a lot; and when I discovered that she didn't have much support, I made a point to learn how change her using the tools available in P5. Spending a little bit of time in the face room, a couple of magnets here or there, and careful adjusting of the body morphs can do wonders for her (for any character really). Now, about her being "ugly"...; I think that Judy is more representative of an actual human female than any of the Vickys. I also don't think that she was designed to be a "model type" (I mean aren't there already too many of them available in the Poser Universe?); I think that she was designed to be "The girl next door type", and that is how I use her. It would be nice to see some new things created for her; but then again, the same is true for many "non-model type" figures. (:

  it would be, yup:) and she has a more female shape too. and not forgetting EJ. shes also versatile

Left to right: Anan, (default) Judy, Viktorina {"Ugly Girls" need love too!) (:

Quote - Judy is one of my favorites. She has one spot between her nose and eye where 5 polys converge, which can make for some ugly renders if you don't get the lighting just right. That might limit morphs, too. But she has nice shoulders, unlike some of the newer figures, and she does nicely in very feminine images.

She be one of me favorites too.  Examples are : SatomP5f, FedosyaP5f, LilanaP5f and ViktorinaP5f by Ken at Posergirls.net.  These can be downloaded here at Renderosity--Jan

There's a lot more Judy users out there than she's given credit for. They're just not vocal about it because they're tired of seeing responses like Cassette's dissing her on every thread that's made about her. No offense, but it get's old. She's not unusable, she's not butt ugly and she can be georgeous if you put some effort into it!

Attached Link: Farrah for Judy

The problem is morphing the breast without breaking the join to the chest. There are good Judy figures that deal with this such as the New Judy and AnAn other Japanese Judy free figures.

I have transfered Eternal Judy morphs to the standard Judy and had them work well. Then there is the Judy with Nea Head hybrid. 

Judy takes all sorts of Poses (P4/P5/V2) very nicely, it takes V2 textures or stuff converted to V2 with UTC.Bottom line is Poser 5 figures had the best Face Room support IMO.

I love this figure. Miki and Judy are the most realistic Poser female bodies but Miki is too hi-res for my machine and Judy is a breeze to work with.

I wish I had the Poser 5 physical shipment content CD instead of having bought the downloadable... there were supposed to be Judy FBMs on the content disc. There is a nice Judy FBM set here in Freestuf though.

Quote - Left to right: Anan, (default) Judy, Viktorina {"Ugly Girls" need love too!) (:

Oops...; I intended to post an image here; but it was the wrong size. (:

 :D its so cool to see that others like her:)if i could, id make clothes and more morphs for her:P but i cant wrap my brain around hexagon and zbrush :P ive tried so much hehe

Attached Link: Beau P5 People at Posette4Ever

You can try NeJa which is a hybrid with Nea-head/Judy-Body free at Planit3D member's downloads...

I've also made a morph for P5 couple which is free on Posette4Ever

Quote - I like Judy & Don! They are reasonable resolution and sharing textures with V2-M2 is a nice +plus
Her default face is scary but if you turn the penny and the age dial on face room you get a cute face!
AnAn is the best addition if you use her, I don't have EJ but it looks very nice too!

You can try NeJa which is a hybrid with Nea-head/Judy-Body free at Planit3D member's downloads...

I've also made a morph for P5 couple which is free on Posette4Ever

Umm... no offense, but why do you link to a site that blocks all linking from Renderosity?

I didn't find Judy so bad to work with. I did a morph for her in Face Shop and if I ever find it again (lost when HD went down) I'll post it for folks. She came out cute. :)

 very lovely!!! :)  i think i need my sleep. i cant wait to see how big this thread gets hehe. i have so many ideas for a render now::) hopes someone make stuff for her lol

Umm... no offense, but why do you link to a site that blocks all linking from Renderosity?

Sorry I didn't know that...

What would you like to see created for her?

There's some Judy dynamic clothes in freestuff.

I like Judy too. At about 25,000 polys she's medium resolution, not too heavy on the system. Her body shape is more realistic than the Vickis.
You can't blow up her breasts to basketball-like proportions, the mesh breaks. But if you want a more natural looking breast shape she'll do just fine.
One thing I don't like about Judy is the bending of her collars. With raised arms the collars look definitely unnatural.

Eternal Judy is a great morph, she's cute indeed! Especially the face.
AnAn is a very good morph too.

Actually AnAn is a new figure not just a morph

The mesh is re-desinged and polys were added on knees and breasts also the joint parameters are reworked!

The shape is a bit different too

There are many free clothes for AnAn out there, if I recall right at Yamato's site...

 id like to see some free face/body morphs like for v3:)and maybe a few simple clothes, like more boots, sci fi gear and fantasy or every day wear:)maybe textures too:) id even buy stuff aswell if anything was made forsale:))

I haven't rendered Judy since I was a rank beginner with Poser.

I happen to be working a shader system that gives a one-click solution to any figure. So I tried it on Judy.

My system did not handle her eyes correctly. I had to go in and switch the shader that got applied to "EyeBall". Also her color map is weak - had to darken the skin tone in the shader.

Still, after 5 minutes work, I think she's a lot more useable than I did before.

I bet there are better color maps out there than the default one.

I didn't morph her at all. IMO, the ears are a little strange and the upper lip is too thick by default. That's probably easily fixed. I love her nose. She's certainly a much better starting point than Dumpling 2 that comes with Poser Pro.

bagginsbill, could you try that with the head shaped to default Face Room please?

How will this new shader be distributed? Looks fantastic.**
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The UV map of EJ is perfect to V2 textures and in my opinion it´s the best in this product.

The UV map of EJ is perfect to V2 textures and in my opinion it´s the best in this product.

Attached Link: VSS Thread

OK. I put her in the face room. I didn't touch any dials, I just hit "Apply Shape Only".

The new shaders come with VSS - my Versatile Shader System.

It's free. Preview Release 1 is available, but it is still buggy and incomplete. If you're feeling adventurous, you can try it.

Read the thread though, as there issues at the moment. The link to the download is in the thread. I'll make you find it by reading the thread :) Poser 6 has problems in general and P7 Mac has some problems.

WoW! They Sooo should have released Judy withOUT the Judy morph! She looks much better with the default faceroom morph applied! I'd never used that one and I like her anyway! Now I have one more reason to enjoy her! VSS is looking good Bill!

Quote - The UV map of EJ is perfect to V2 textures and in my opinion it´s the best in this product.

FYI Plus3D! i've used Morph Manager to transfer EJ's morphs to Don, Will and Penny and they all are much better for having EJ's morphs!

Quote - Now you got me playing in the faceroom. I never use it. It's fun.

I always thought it was fun.

I only just started working on my "African" shaders. And to do it right, I need control masks (image maps) to stop the heavy pigmentation in some areas, like the lips. That means it can't be generic. You'd need such masks for your particular figure. But I think it shows what is possible with the old figures.

This was a low-quality render so there are some AO artifacts on the eyes. Those go away when I render with Irradiance Caching at 99.

I just had a look and found some images I did with her years ago.
Sorry about the quality - but they are really old ;)

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=459420

I've played with Judy and Dynamic hair a lot on P5 days!

Here is an old render from my old gallery...

Thank you :)

It was a lot of fun to search around in my old images.
Makes me wish to render some images with all these people again.
That would be fun too :)

Attached Link: http://digitalbabes2.com/~yamato/AnAn.html

I found the site with the AnAn clothes
On the same page there is link to the new Judy - AnAn

The P5s were very solid and worked well with the face room. I used them a long time and preferred them to what was available at the time. They are still superior to the included P6 and 7 characters.

Certainly, Apollo has taken the edge over Don in the male category. 

yay! this is so fun ,to see these cool renders:) i might post a few more lol. and in my gallery:P i think my victoria's are gonna get dusty soon hehe. besides, judy Is no1 for me still :P anyways  back to poser for me! bitten by the Judy bug now

Quote - if more people actually used it id consider doing a morph for her, but it doesnt seem like very many people do - or do they?

I would be intrested in about any morphed female you make - and I am probably not alone with that. But yes, I do use Judy from time to time, not as my main figure, but I don't think she is as bad as the people say. Just different from Vicky.

Ok, things like this happens if I hit the -Button to early - I see there are a lot of people still using Judy. Yes, she is more natural than the Vickys, and the face room can really fix her face.

But clothes still are a problem if you don't use WW.