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Subject: DAZ and Bryce


Bambam131 ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 11:25 AM · edited Sun, 24 November 2024 at 12:45 PM

Attached Link: Mars injection of Hermes1!

I have a question for everyone here that uses Bryce; I just posted at the DAZ site my latest picture (Mars injection Hermes1) for the monthly Bryce gallery. Now remember I am also one of the artist that DAZ is showcasing for Bryce.

My pictures never get picked for the monthly gallery and the reason they give me is because either my work is not that colorful or the competition is just too good.

In other words they think my work sucks………now granted I do not embellish on any of my pictures so if the background has no color it is because there is none. But, what I find strange is that I create all my pictures in Bryce including the models and they still don’t think my work is good enough.

It seems to me that they would at least use some of my works just to show what the capabilities of Bryce are just using that program only.

What I see more than anything in the Bryce gallery is a lot of Posers figures that dominate the entire picture. Why not leave the Bryce gallery to artist that create at least 80% of the image using just Bryce.

Does anyone here have any comments or suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

David


ThunderStone ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 11:38 AM

The thing of the matter is that they want to showcase items from their store vendors, not artist's ingenuities. That is the problem. You just have to read the very ultra fine print on their site...

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Bambam131 ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 1:06 PM

I don't know if that is true or not, I take it that you are kidding about the fine print. Does anyone else have a suggestion?


bobbystahr ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 1:15 PM · edited Tue, 08 July 2008 at 2:38 PM

Well it is a DAZ/Poser driven site so I guess what can you expect but that they will be attempting, thru the gallery, to hype, as TS says, their vendors....not fair, but it is a commerce rather than art driven site. Not so much a community like here, with a seperate marketplace, but a marketplace with galleries to hype up their products. Based on you linked image [will go look at your gallery after this] I think you exhibit all the good qualities of Bryce, combined with an artistic sensibility...ignore the heathen heretics and keep on Brycing...the Bryster his own self would/will be pleased at your efforts for sure, as well as me I might add.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again



 

 

 

 

 


AnnieD ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 1:31 PM

Why do YOU think they turned your artwork down?

 

“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”

[Stuart Chase]


Bambam131 ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 2:20 PM · edited Tue, 08 July 2008 at 2:21 PM

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rstar ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 3:00 PM

It may be a truism that Daz is biased and I also think there are too many poser figures(Vicky, etc.) dominant works of art in here. I mean how many poses/scenes can there be and how many different looks can she have to be interesting?
It's their site, though, and I guess they are entitled!

I love your work and look forward to each new piece from you. I see no reason why it is not more prominent in the competition selections.
 


Thandaluz ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 3:20 PM

Bambam131.

You are a great artist and she would not have to be worried about this. This attitude of the DAZ is very small front to the great works in Bryce.
The DAZ is not worried if the work was made in Bryce/Daz/Poser or any another tool, but in the financial possibility of its sales… therefore it only is that the Bryce gallery in the DAZ is populated with things that are for sales.
The site of the DAZ is a place of sales, therefore a gallery that if dedicated exclusively to the artistic content is very improbable.
I gave up has much time to send my works for there, never I obtained to have the attention of them.

The artists of the Bryce would have to create a great gallery to publish its works; until I have the ready gallery, but the costs and the barrier of the language are great obstacles.

In any way, its works already are seen and praised here in the Renderosity.
It continues thus and not if prepocupe with the attitude of the DAZ, this is temporary.
A reminder: WHO POPULARIZES THE BRYCE IS WE, ITS USERS.

Hugs
Ronaldo (Thandaluz)


AnnieD ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 3:52 PM

Quote - ?

Sorry...I should have elaborated I guess.  Usually we have a 'gut' feeling about the whys of anything...I was just asking why you thought they did it.  Do you think it was because of bias or because they just didn't like it?  You know the situation best.

BTW  I think you are very good also.

 

“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”

[Stuart Chase]


bobbystahr ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 4:01 PM

Nice save AnnieD...*heh heh heh...*tho I understood what you meant.... I'm paid to read tween the lines...LOL

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again



 

 

 

 

 


AnnieD ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 4:11 PM

To tell the truth bobby...I  said what I meant I just didn't say enuff of it.    :biggrin:

I stopped submitting to the Daz galleries a long time ago when it became apparent  that it wasn't so much what you did as who you were...lol

I don't write between the lines...you gotta read my mind!    :b_tonguewink:

 

“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”

[Stuart Chase]


Analog-X64 ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 4:13 PM · edited Tue, 08 July 2008 at 4:15 PM

If I go to a website and take the time an effort to post artwork or music or whatever it is that I have created and only get negative response , I just stop posting and move to a different community that can appreciate my work and also give me positive criticism so I can improve upon what I'm working on.

You can get that and more here on Rendo.

I see nothing wrong with the image you posted, and I find it amazing how you can do all that including modeling all within Bryce.


bobbystahr ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 4:49 PM

*"I find it amazing how you can do all that including modeling all within Bryce."....

  • In the words if the inimatable Bryster...love those bools.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again



 

 

 

 

 


ThunderStone ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 5:33 PM

Quote - I don't know if that is true or not, I take it that you are kidding about the fine print. Does anyone else have a suggestion?

I'm not kidding about the fine print... It's there, in plain sight... Take a closer look at the offerings in the Bryce Gallery. You will find there are many with items from the vendors... Also when you uploaded the graphic, did you notice at the bottom, the DAZ products Available form? Did you fill this out???? If you didn't, then don't feel too bad...

Why don't you go over to the scifi.com and submit your artwork... Here's the link... Submission And take a look at their covers:  Cover Gallery  There are several notable artist here at  Renderosity featured there and a few more in Bryce... So go ahead. I think your artwork is front cover material.

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OS: Windows 11 64-bit
Poser: Poser 11.3 ...... Units: inches or meters depends on mood
Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly

9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

 


TheBryster ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 6:53 PM
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pakled ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 9:23 PM

heck, he should be included in any gallery...;) Never saw a pic of yours I didn't like.

Of course, I submitted to Daz, and I didn't get anywhere either...but that's a little more understandable...;)

There's always room for work like yours.

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


Incarnadine ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 9:55 PM

You were one of the first on my fav's list!

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Bambam131 ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 10:15 PM

The reason I wanted to get other peoples opinion about DAZ is because they told me first hand that my work was not good enough. This I thought was strange because they use me and my work to showcase Bryce.

I just wanted to know if other people have come across the same situation. Also by the way I was not looking for a pat on the back I just wanted to know if anyone had experience what I had and now I know.

Thanks again for all the feedback.

Cheers,

David

 


rstar ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 10:34 PM

Bambam
It's quite clear where you are coming from and your question is a very legitimate one.
I personally have not submitted any work to DAZ so I have no experience with them to compare with.

The ability and talent to transfer ideas the computer screen is a fine thing to see and as far as getting a pat on the back from the responders goes, I think they are expressing their admiration for your work with you more so than patting you on the back for it.
 


vncnt9663 ( ) posted Tue, 08 July 2008 at 11:03 PM · edited Tue, 08 July 2008 at 11:05 PM

I've seen the art that is posted at the DAZ site. Most of the Bryce work is ether beginner, or has some DAZ product in the work. And it would also seem to be bent towards Posers. 

I believe the person at DAZ who is responsible for the submissions into the gallery has no taste. For this reason I tend not to look there for any good 3d art.

Also has stated you’re better then that place. I understand the need to get your art seen. DAZ isn’t the place to do it.

That’s my two cents.

 


Bambam131 ( ) posted Wed, 09 July 2008 at 7:49 AM · edited Wed, 09 July 2008 at 7:50 AM

I would like to thank everyone again for all their input. I guess what bothers me the most is the fact that DAZ uses me and my work to sell Bryce6 under Bryce on the job but, also at the same time my work is not good enough to display in the Bryce monthly gallery. To me this shows DAZ as hipocrite. This is truly sad because if they would take the program seriously and develope this program correctly it could become quite profitable.
They already have a tremendous base of people using this program, it is almost like not seeing the tree for the forrest. Truly a sad state of affairs.

Cheers,

David


AnnieD ( ) posted Wed, 09 July 2008 at 8:57 AM

I see they are still using Bryceheart  [ Jonathan Allen Cummings ] to showcase too...I remember back when he told them off and left. 
Not long ago there was one hell of an uprising because of their TOS and people started deleting their galleries...I guess it got their attention because they changed it.

I started out there because I started with DS...but I came here and so did lots of my friends from ArtZone.  ArtZone is now nothing more than a commercial site....but I remember when it was more community oriented.

 

“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”

[Stuart Chase]


pakled ( ) posted Wed, 09 July 2008 at 11:07 AM

man, if your stuff isn't 'good enough' , what the expletive deleted do you have to do? Are they after booleaned nipples or something?...;) I don't know anyone else better (a couple of equals, but none better)

Maybe there needs to be another 'high end' Bryce gallery (there once was something called The Bryce Select Forum gallery, but that's been gone for a few years)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


ThunderStone ( ) posted Wed, 09 July 2008 at 3:48 PM · edited Wed, 09 July 2008 at 3:49 PM

Quote - I would like to thank everyone again for all their input. I guess what bothers me the most is the fact that DAZ uses me and my work to sell Bryce6 under Bryce on the job but, also at the same time my work is not good enough to display in the Bryce monthly gallery. To me this shows DAZ as hipocrite. This is truly sad because if they would take the program seriously and develope this program correctly it could become quite profitable.
They already have a tremendous base of people using this program, it is almost like not seeing the tree for the forrest. Truly a sad state of affairs.

Cheers,

David

**I agree, David... Because a lot of Brycer's art works are on display at the Sci Fi Weekly, which gets seen by over 1 million people, a week... Can you imagine your artwork being displayed to that many people a week? WOW! and DAZ's only a pittance... not even half of Sci Fi Weekly.  Yes, it is a sad state of affairs... Perhaps a 2x4 will knock some more business sense into them but then again, it will not... Just go ahead and present it to the Sci Fi Weekly people and watch what happens....

A shame what happens, but it's also an opportunity for you to go beyond the boundaries.**


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OS: Windows 11 64-bit
Poser: Poser 11.3 ...... Units: inches or meters depends on mood
Bryce: Bryce Pro 7.1.074
Image Editing: Corel Paintshop Pro
Renderer: Superfly, Firefly

9/11/2001: Never forget...

Smiles are contagious... Pass it on!

Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday

 


Bambam131 ( ) posted Thu, 10 July 2008 at 7:37 AM

Hey Thunderstone thanks for the info, I might just try what you said even though my pictures look better at larger resolution then what the Sci-Fi weekly is requesting. 
Thanks again for all the informations.

Regards,

David


orbital ( ) posted Thu, 10 July 2008 at 12:53 PM

To me this just goes to show how DAZ views Bryce and it's users. They just see the software as a hobbyist software, which is something of a sin. I don't expect them to develop it any further and they are only interested in making $$$. I for one have given up with DAZ altogether.
They don't seem to be interested in the hardcore users, people who could help further it's development and bring it into direct competition with Vue. They should be championing the great artists like you Dave, and the fact that they have the audacity to say your work is not good enough is a smack in the teeth to all of us. They would all be much happier over there if everybody was lazy and just paid for props and scenes.
I know you probably earn a good few $ from them, but if it was me I'd be tempted to boycott them. I mean you don't need to bother with them, as there are plenty of people willing to pay good money for your artwork. Within the realms of space art you truly are one of the leaders in the field.

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