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Subject: OT Homepage-making


Stoner ( ) posted Sat, 30 August 2008 at 3:18 PM · edited Sat, 23 November 2024 at 8:42 AM

I´ve finally given up and surrendered to the modern times and decided to get me an own homepage. Nows the tricky bit, what prog is the best tool to use to make this page of mine? Any advices that might come in handy are welcome. I always rely on my fellow brycers when it comes to big decisions like this.

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Thandaluz ( ) posted Sat, 30 August 2008 at 3:30 PM

Hi Stoner. 
You will receive dozens of suggestions, and all should be very good. 
Mine: 
Use Flex and like ServerSide: PHP, JAVA or ASP.NET(C #). 
Mine (old) HP is still in ASP + JAVA + HTML, but I am changing for Flex.

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AnnieD ( ) posted Sat, 30 August 2008 at 3:50 PM

I use Macromedia DreamWeaver 8 for everything except transfering files...for that I use WSFTP.
I like a wysiwyg format with the ability to code by hand when  I want...and DreamWeaver handles php, asp, htm, java, dynamic...etc.  so you can pretty much work in whatever setup you like.

 

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Analog-X64 ( ) posted Sat, 30 August 2008 at 7:05 PM

This topic came up on another forum I frequent.. If you need an opensource content management system, there's only one: ModX (http://modxcms.com). IIt's 100% customizable (is that a word?). PHP and SQL required.

I'm thinking of Re-Vamping my Wifes website with that  system.. and finaly launching my own website at some point.


silverblade33 ( ) posted Sun, 31 August 2008 at 8:22 AM

Dreamweaver is veyr nice to use :) I sitll have v4, too expensive for me to get new versions, no longer at college, alas.

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electroglyph ( ) posted Sun, 31 August 2008 at 8:57 AM

I use an ancient version of Netscape composer for most things. For image maps I have an even older program called HTMLPro by Brooklyn North. Both produce standard simple HTML 3.0 code.

 

You can save as html from most office packages and I’ve also used FrontPage. I think the code is fat with over formatting. HTML keeps the same font and style definitions unless you switch to a table or paragraph command. Most modern page editors make the code about three times bigger that it needs to be to display the same page. I get tired of pages the take two minutes to load, start playing music, have flashing graphics, etc.


dhama ( ) posted Sun, 31 August 2008 at 9:25 AM

Of course, all you need is notpad if you know HTML. There are plenty of HTML tutorials if you are adventurous.


Stoner ( ) posted Sun, 31 August 2008 at 2:34 PM

Thanks for all good advices. We´ll see if I´m able to use them well

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pakled ( ) posted Sun, 31 August 2008 at 4:55 PM

well, I cheat, I used Wordpad because I knew a minimum amount of HTML..I feel like the Bryster...;)
 

I have the Microsoft Frontpage, it's ....ok...;) I used to use something called Hotdog back in the day. It did the FTP upload as well.

 

 

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pauljs75 ( ) posted Sun, 31 August 2008 at 5:24 PM

Dreamweaver is pretty well known and quite nice if you have the spendy for the big-name commercial apps. Although at times it can be a bit messy using the built in scripting. (Might have to go to split or code view to see what it's actually putting in.) At least it's not as bad (or awful... cough cough FrontPage cough MS Word cough) as some older WYSIWYG type webpage editors.

But if you actually know the HTML, CSS, JavaScript side of things, Notepad++ is also a decent text editor with useful line numbers and neat syntax highlighting. The program itself is free, and those features make the process of debugging a little easier.

And then there's FileZilla if you do a lot of FTP stuff, but I'm not sure how important that will be. (Depends on how your hosting service handles that, some of them use a web interface. But FTP is handy if your queueing (sp?) up a lot of stuff to send over.)


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Stoner ( ) posted Mon, 01 September 2008 at 3:54 AM · edited Mon, 01 September 2008 at 3:55 AM

I´m a complete beginner at this and I´m not familiar with code. Simplicity is the main option for me when it comes down to choosing the right prog

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AnnieD ( ) posted Mon, 01 September 2008 at 2:38 PM

Do you have Microsoft Frontpage on your pc?  Do you use a pc?...lol

Sometimes it comes with the software installed..and if you have it you can use it until you become familiar with what you are doing.  Lots of people really like it...Mine was part of Microsoft Office stuff.  i don't use it anymore but I did at one time...It is a "what-you-see-is-what-you-get"  program.

if you search on google you can probably find a free program or at least a trial program to use and you won't have to put money into something you aren't sure of.

 

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Rayraz ( ) posted Mon, 01 September 2008 at 4:31 PM

 Well, easiest if you dont know any programming is a what-you-see-is-what-you-get editor. Anything but frontpage cuz frontpage was outdated before it was made LOL thers almost no crappier way to make your pages.
Perhaps dreamweaver would be an idea? You'll probably need to follow some tutorials, but its possible to make great things with it even without coding.

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AnnieD ( ) posted Mon, 01 September 2008 at 4:38 PM

I use dreamweaver 8 exclusively...and its definately not for a beginner who doesn't know anything at all about coding or layouts..even tho dreamweaver has layouts..they are not for beginners...
On a more positive note..dreamweaver does come with tutorials....but its also a very large investment for someone who doesn't really know anything about making webpages.

 

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dvlenk6 ( ) posted Mon, 01 September 2008 at 7:05 PM

Reference information:
World Wide Web Consortium
They publish the standards for various mark up languages and protocols.
Here is their HTML Page: http://www.w3.org/html/
The current standard is HTML 4.01; but will soon be changing to HTML 5.0

They have an HTML Validator service, to check your pages for errors or non-conforming MU language:
http://validator.w3.org/
And other nifty tools and loads of information.

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AnnieD ( ) posted Mon, 01 September 2008 at 7:16 PM

You can also take free classes there to learn all you want about webpage building and coding.

 

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Rayraz ( ) posted Tue, 02 September 2008 at 3:21 PM

Attached Link: http://www.w3schools.com/

 w3schools is probably the best place around to start with a tutorial :)

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pauljs75 ( ) posted Tue, 09 September 2008 at 8:25 AM

HTML Goodies is also a good way to get started in learning the code end. And Joe Burns writing style tends to be a bit more newb friendly than some other more cut and dried writeups on the subject. (Tends to give more insight on what's going on, and perhaps points out a few common errors.)

I also have the book from way back. (One of the earlier editions.) If you ever consider doing various web stuff, having a few reference books on the subject isn't too bad an investment. (The PeachPit Press and O'Reilly books are typically the ones worth getting.)


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Gog ( ) posted Fri, 12 September 2008 at 8:44 AM · edited Fri, 12 September 2008 at 8:45 AM

Attached Link: clicky click - coffee cup

Dreamweaver is the best, but a good cheaper alernative is coffee cup.

technology wise, can't beat a bit of sql - php mix, I hand coded mine but I'm a geek ;)

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Rayraz ( ) posted Fri, 12 September 2008 at 8:49 AM · edited Fri, 12 September 2008 at 8:50 AM

Gog, u handcoded ur site? cool :P i do that kinda stuff for a living :) Whats ur url?

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Gog ( ) posted Sat, 13 September 2008 at 2:54 AM

Attached Link: http://www.netscribes.co.uk

Hi Ray, linked , I'm software engineering consultant,  work in C but mainly in managing the processes and dev cycle rather then coding. I keep my hand in a few other languages too so I can manage my team who have a variety of languages in use. In the 80s I used to freelance web design, but hadn't done much other then little odds and ends in the last ten years. My site was the result of my first attempt at php...

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pauljs75 ( ) posted Sun, 14 September 2008 at 1:25 PM

Quote - In the 80s I used to freelance web design

Didn't think there was much web in the 1980s. (Mosaic didn't come around until 1993, and Netscape arrived in 1995.)  Perhaps some text stuff readable by Gopher or Lynx, or various BBS/Telnet clients, but not full-blown HTML involving web-design as we know it today. That's a typo, right? :lol:


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Rayraz ( ) posted Sun, 14 September 2008 at 2:25 PM

 Cool stuff Gog, im lead developer on a software project at the moment :) I mainly make websites and webbased applications. Currently i use php, xml, javascript, json, html etc. I do want to learn python and java, but first i'll work on graduating college.
I prefer larger projects over small sites i guess, allows me to go a bit more in depth on the programming end, and creating nice structures, patterns, abstractions, you know the real art behind programming :)

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Gog ( ) posted Mon, 15 September 2008 at 4:34 PM · edited Mon, 15 September 2008 at 4:36 PM

Quote - > Quote - In the 80s I used to freelance web design

Didn't think there was much web in the 1980s. (Mosaic didn't come around until 1993, and Netscape arrived in 1995.)  Perhaps some text stuff readable by Gopher or Lynx, or various BBS/Telnet clients, but not full-blown HTML involving web-design as we know it today. That's a typo, right? :lol:

No it wasn't a typo, but I guess I was just typing faster then I was thinking and over summarised what I was trying to say so a quick history! I started creating character based graphics for radios in the early 80s -  I had a friend, a radio ham who used to have his commodore pet hooked up to his radio and used to transmit them around the world! (If any of you are old enough to remember what I'm talking about you'll know where I'm coming from) Trying to make a picture of a cat by using character was maddening but cool when you had done it (and squinted a bit). by the mid 80s the pet had died I became and apprentice, I had a cpc464 and played with creating layouts for BBS systems from characters through the late 80s (when I was still an apprentice and 900 baud modem was fast??), also played with the paint package on the cpc and had my first introduction to pascal programming, so you're absolutely right it wasn't technically web design as we know it when I started out down this path - although was when I played with my first company for stuff I could do outside of work hours. I still remember a fair amount of z80 assembler from this era and 68000 from when I moved onto my atari ST. With a machine like the cpc it was possible to code a game on your own that wasn't too bad, although the c64 had a far larger market - I just prefered the cpc.

Early 90s and my first PC (a viglen 286 IIRC) arrived, HTML and mosaic where like a dream come true when they arrived a year or two later!  I don't recall turning any real money from it until dreamweaver came along in the late 90s made some good money for a year or two and then moved to where I work now. so in so far as the freelance web design is true that would have been in the late 90s. Of course around 96 I also got my first copy of povray and then in 98ish my copy of bryce2 so all the spare time I had spent programming and studying got wasted with a return to making pretty pictures...

@Ray if it's the algorythmic sideof programming you prefer and find more interesting you might want consider studying some pure math or applied math. this is where the true beauty in your code will be coming from...

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Rayraz ( ) posted Tue, 16 September 2008 at 8:18 AM

 I would study math if i didnt actually suck at it LOL I nearly failed highschool on maths! I'm not quite sure its at all wise for me to persue maths in college...
I guess i enjoy finding a balance between abstraction and good patterns, making clean code, but also im into user interaction. I guess I try to write my code in such a way that its easy for programmers to work with, in quite the same way as i like to make interfaces that are easy for the end user to use. I apply many of the same principles to both.

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pauljs75 ( ) posted Tue, 16 September 2008 at 5:18 PM

Hahah...  Cool stuff!  I remember doing some crazy PEEK & POKE things from the back pages of Antic magazine to make glyphs on the 130XE. So the letter A would instead be part of some animated dude on the screen. Then you could cycle through the characters to make it look like he was running. I guess it was another weird way of doing things besides sprites. But didn't know that kind of thing could actually work with BBSs. (Never had a modem at that time. I can understand that the parents didn't want big phone bills either.) I do recall doing some ASCII art things during my first go at college, back then some of the readers would also parse ^G (control-G) which at the time would feed through the system-beep. I guess you could figure out what kind of mischief was to be had with that simple yet stupid piece of knowledge. :laugh:


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boekenwuurm ( ) posted Wed, 17 September 2008 at 8:01 AM

Well, can I ask you guys another website question?
For school I need to make a tut/logbook about a big multiweeks project, and the prof wants a website instead of my neatly blue notebook.
Where can I host (preferably for free) a website?
Maybe I want to use it also for my art in the close future, but the main goal is to let the world know about my project and to recreate it.


Gog ( ) posted Wed, 17 September 2008 at 10:08 AM · edited Wed, 17 September 2008 at 10:09 AM

Attached Link: - https://www.blogger.com/start

> Quote - Well, can I ask you guys another website question? > For school I need to make a tut/logbook about a big multiweeks project, and the prof wants a website instead of my neatly blue notebook. > Where can I host (preferably for free) a website? > Maybe I want to use it also for my art in the close future, but the main goal is to let the world know about my project and to recreate it.

I reckon if you want a journal type thing then consider using a blog for the easiest start and it's free - https://www.blogger.com linked above!

BTW control G as the bleep command was common across almost anything at one time I remember writing some math code (bicubic graph analysis of data points) for an HP 3000 mainframe that bleeped when finished using Ctrl-G character wow that takes me back :)

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pauljs75 ( ) posted Mon, 22 September 2008 at 2:28 PM

me: I'm busy chatting to someone else, can it wait?
someDude: No! I want you to show me such & such for IRC...
me: Not now.
someDude: please please please please!!!
me: Ok, if you insist...
me: ^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G... (etc.)

Imagine sending 20+ page text file of repeated ^G to someone who was pestering you in ytalk. ROFL! (Was more fun than just using the ignore option. Especially when the recipient didn't know how to use the break command to get out of it. So their options were to re-boot or suffer for 5min.) Yeah, I was mean.

Another cool old-school ASCII thing was the page return/feed code. I vaguely remember it was possible to do some cool animations that way. Somebody I knew at Bradley back then had an X-wing blow up the Deathstar in a 40sec long animated ASCII sequence.

I'd second the blog thing, and Blogger's a good one. No real worrys about keeping track of code, just typing away as you would in most forum text-entry boxes. If you're worried about formatting, you could always go back and modify the blog's CSS later on.


Barbequed Pixels?

Your friendly neighborhood Wings3D nut.
Also feel free to browse my freebies at ShareCG.
There might be something worth downloading.


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