Seems like a lot of things that I see in the marketplace are so blah.
I'm a high end product fan, and I don't as much of it as I'm used to, let's say six months ago? Maybe it's just me.

Anyone else under this impression, or am I havig a burnout?

Its not only you!

And its not just this marketplace only, seems like most of the interesting models resides in the frestuff  (of various sites) these days.

The modeller is at his/hers craetive peak when struggling to become a well known vendor, upon success they often seem to become mainstream.

Maybe that is not true, but I dont go to the marketplace that often anymore.
I have money but theres seldom something that I want to buy there.

Regards / Jonny

My take on the marketplace:

V4 V4 Female
Oddtexture V4 V4
V4 V4 V4
V4 V4 something
V4 A4 V4
ship V4 V4
....

Of course, I'm being a bit facetious.  But they are always pimping to the male libido and the most recent incarnation pandering therein.  There are only so many (of thousands and thousands) of skimpy fantasy warrior outfits for Victoria or Aiko that one can stand.  The market here has become myopic.  I tend to buy only Dinoraul's exceptional prehistoric beasties of late. :)

I don't even mind the V4 stuff, as long as it's well done.
Seems like the marketplace is going the way of 3D commune in the product quality.... even when it comes to the top vendors.   :

I got the free V4 when it was released, installed had a play, uninstalled & filed away for the day I can be bothered with it. None of the V4 stuff available interests me before that point.

If there was a way to filter out all the V4 oriented stuff that would be a good thing.

Quote - I got the free V4 when it was released, installed had a play, uninstalled & filed away for the day I can be bothered with it. None of the V4 stuff available interests me before that point.

If there was a way to filter out all the V4 oriented stuff that would be a good thing.

Ditto here. I made one render with her I think.

10*'s harder to make stuff for poser then any other app.

Seriously the hardest app ever buy far.

I'm trying to make a stupid dress, pannies for V4. easy in C4D but to get it to work in Poser.
super conforming cloths,morphs err.

Poser has the best looking stuff at the best price.

compared to others.

http://www.turbosquid.com/

Can find 3D art that = artist here but can not find better 3D artist that are here.

V4, no other mesh = her.

Would be nice if we had some robots,machines,city in ruins to = her.

Problem is Poser work space is so small won't hold a house much less a city.

it's good for V4 pin ups and that's about it.

Connie it's not  just you I see it too but just held my tongue. What I see appears to be copy cat products the same style outfits, same poses, same props but by different people but the same theme over and over. There is so much redundancy and very little diversification don't creators check out the marketplaces before they create? Why would one want to release something similar that has been released 1000 times already it's like beating a dead horse. It's like folks are just throwing things into the marketplace with no heart and no care for quality.

If one needs ideas on what to create maybe they need to check out the wishing well forum there are masses there screaming out ideas and wants that seem to be ignored. If creators want sales to grow some of them are going to have get more imaginative not copy the same old same old or carpet bomb the marketplace with a million and a half texture sets for the same products.

I see it too. I think a few factors might account for it-- a few top vendors relocating their stores to DAZ; the closing of PoserPros store; Renderosity actively recruiting new, not necessarily experienced vendors...

And then, of course, there is the economy. If disposable income is tight, many merchants rather than risking a new direction, might fall back on ideas/styles that have sold for them in the past. Personally, I don't subscribe to that theory, when my money's tight, I'm more likely to part with it to gain something new, rather than clones of what I already have.

Quote - What I see appears to be copy cat products the same style outfits, same poses, same props but by different people but the same theme over and over.

I agree. It's even sadder, when the merchant is copy-catting their own products over and over again. How many mid-length in the face bob style hairs does one need?

Part of it is you, because your perception of what is great has very likely changed as you have become more experienced at modeling and rigging Poser content, and you know what to look for now.  Many things I bought years ago and thought were the most amazing items in the world, I look at them now and I realize how I would have done them differently myself, or in some cases, never would have done at all!

Well good to know I'm not alone, been seeing some products that I wouldn't download free, much less buy. There are still plenty of items that can be done that are more unusual, the stuff I've bought lately would not work in a playboy type mag. I too will keep my wallet in my pocket until I see more quality instead of quantity. And I agree about the hair.

And the other two things that gets me, if I was going into battle I sure wouldn't want to have a thong that barely covers me, (and it's not the string part I'm talking about, it's the front), and I wouldn't be wearing an outfit that has zippers across the nipples, looks pretty uncomfortable. Just learning to model and working on some things that I think I would wear in combat, that look good but also realistic. Some of the stuff lately I can't see the model even being able to sit down, much less fight.

Ditto -  There used to be a time when I never let a coupon slip by - but now, there is just nothing worth having, it all looks the same as has been done over the years for V2/V3 - now just rehashed for V4.  With a little work you can make past items fit V4, so really no need to buy! I am more in the market for props such as plants, buildings and everyday type items.  Even with plants it appears people that make them re-do over & over ie. palm trees, daisys, lilies. grass etc etc.  Out of the millions of plants - originality please!!!!

IMO vendors should research what is already available at the various stores & if it's already available please do move on & create something new.

I think it´s the market place. It´s overloaded with low quality products. In this huge amount of low quality stuff it´s difficult to find the few high end products, I get tired after looking through 5 pages full of not so good products, the images start to blur and I have to stop...
Some products are so bad I wouldn´t give them away as a freebie.
I know that it takes a huge amount of time to create new products. I´m working on a new skin texture for V4 for months, but I´m still not satisfied with it.
I could go the easy way and just take a merchant resource kit paste a tattoo on it and sell it as my new creation. Some people would probably buy it. But that´s why the quality of products gets lower and lower.
I´m a great fan of realistic looking skin textures but there are only a few merchants that offer them. Most merchants don´t care about shader nodes.
A lot of clothing items and textures would look a lot better and more realistic with just a moment spent in the material room. There are a lot of tutorials for poser how to use the material room and a lot of tutorials how to create shaders for other 3d programs. They won´t tell you what to do in poser, but they will give you ideas how to recreate these materials in poser.
And it´s not only renderosity. It´s DAZ too, especially after closing down PoserPros a lot of not so good stuff found it´s way into their market place.
pjz99 I agree with you, that the perception of what is great changes over the time, but this has not only to do with us getting more experienced it also has to do with new software and computers being developed. A few years ago we thought Posette was the greatest figure around, then came Vicky and so on.
But we are now talking about products being developed today with all possibilities we have now and the quality still drops.

Quote - My take on the marketplace:

V4 V4 Female
Oddtexture V4 V4
V4 V4 V4
V4 V4 something
V4 A4 V4
ship V4 V4
....

Of course, I'm being a bit facetious.  But they are always pimping to the male libido and the most recent incarnation pandering therein.  There are only so many (of thousands and thousands) of skimpy fantasy warrior outfits for Victoria or Aiko that one can stand.  The market here has become myopic.  I tend to buy only Dinoraul's exceptional prehistoric beasties of late. :)

I refer to V4A4 as Kudzu these days.

I go for ApolloMaximus items, Adh3d for sure.
Why, because there are so few tochoose from.
Also Alex does a very good job IMHO.

Quote - Seems like the marketplace is going the way of 3D commune in the product quality.... even when it comes to the top vendors.

I don't know that there's an issue with quality, as such... but I agree, lately I don't see much new stuff that's sparklingly original or which exudes must-have-ness. My recent purchases have tended to be scenes, props and utilities rather than character sets, hair and clothes.

Maybe the impending release of M4 will produce a flood of good things...

I guess all one has to do is follow the paper trail. If the skimpy outifts were not turning a profit, I suppose the merchants would have to come up with a new formula. I haven't found anything worth buying in the marketplace for a while (well except the new hairs. Love the new hairs Plus3D are pumping out and so in my wishlist they went) I also happen to like the short bobs of Studio11.

As far as clothing, the marketplace doesn't reflect what I'm personally looking for. I seek casual wear. I know skimpy, fantasy stuff is the way in Poserdom. I've accepted this and await the times vendors like Hongyu, OutofTouch, 9mbi etc submit quality clothing to the marketplace. It's a shame 9mbi's clothes aren't given addons as much as say...a maiden lingerie. I know for myself, addons are the reason I'll purchase a product  I previously thought was too trite. That's probably my biggest gripe. Not so much the lack of clothing (as I've gotten used to that) but the lack of support for the ones I do like. I mean, how many textures do we need for a Corset?

I agree and originality seems to be null and void these days, I dont even check the 2d stuff because all that is is copycat items over and over.  the best things I have been seeing lately are hair products and then again, you can only have so much hair.

It's not only here, it's almost general in poserdom, with some exceptions. Orginality and innovation has left the building a while back and with the introduction of V4 it has certainly gone downhill very fast.

Just because the admins say there are 2000 merchants doesn't mean there are 2000 merchants.
Many many many have left. leaveing a relitively few that are prolific. (yes I can name them)
They in turn drive a lot of the remaining others into types of products.

Product saturation has allways been a continueing problem (girls dressing there barbie dolls).

When ever someone says they still use P4pro or v3 they are ignored or swamped, yet the truth is MOST* *people do not upgrade to every newest and greatest that comes around.

Yet a relitivly small group (of rich people) around here dominates the market and forums.

See the forum post to see what I mean- all P7 or propack (of the half dozen total post a day)
Sad to remember when it was 150 post a day, 'sigh'

Quote - Product saturation has allways been a continueing problem (girls dressing there barbie dolls).

Dunno, I think at least half of the heavy buyers are boys dressing their barbie dolls...

Hi to the OP: I think its a combo of you just becoming jaded and the "market" stagnating with the same old same old

Example: they are finally releasing M4 and yippeee !!  we already see previews of some medieval "middle earthish" Armor, castles & props.

(Disclamer: I am probably one of the biggest Lord of the Rings Fanboys you will find but ..C'mon!!)

soon to be followed by some Ultra pretty semi androgenous "bishie"  boy fodder for the drooling masses with Cliched character names like "Blain" for M4  etc .etc.

Quote "Yet a relativly small group (of rich people) around here dominates the market and forums" END

I have to wonder exactly how many people are in debt up to there eyeballs with this stuff.  I read over at Daz about "crying credit cards", people claiming they are buying ASAP when a new product comes out or the people I read who are sneaking there CC from their spouses when they aren't aware/looking :blink:  Or are they just BS'ing for the sake of yakking in the fora.

I just don't see many "must haves" out there nowadays in fact VERY rarely.

Unless you're a merchant there's no such thing as a "must have" in the poser world, when you're a merchant everyone "must have" your new item.

Quote - Quote "Yet a relativly small group (of rich people) around here dominates the market and forums" END

I have to wonder exactly how many people are in debt up to there eyeballs with this stuff.  I read over at Daz about "crying credit cards", people claiming they are buying ASAP when a new product comes out or the people I read who are sneaking there CC from their spouses when they aren't aware/looking :blink:  Or are they just BS'ing for the sake of yakking in the fora.

I just don't see many "must haves" out there nowadays in fact VERY rarely.

As a Merchant here for over 7 years  I must say i am very happy that people are willing to spend thier money on poser items.

But  admitedly i was Amazed when I read over at DAZ some posts where peopl say they have $3000 of items on their "wishlists"

There was 1 who said they had $6000!!!

These people must have w/l'ing since day 1 LOL.

It seems a common misconception in the US that sales represent consumer desire, that things will not sell unless people want them. American's have become a captive market whose purchases are shaped by the whim or taste of the producers... how many real life women can afford to reject fashion and dress sensibly at a reasonable cost rather than becoming "Fashion Victims" for the sake of their social and professional lives. People seem to me to buy what is made available to them and what is promoted to them... production seems rarely a reflection of consumer desire as opposed to what is foisted on consumers IMHO. Likewise, we have long since left behind "competitive pricing" or "cost plus pricing" which have been replaced by "what the market will bare" pricing.

Good thoughts people :)
I can see how most peoples tastes change as they grow with poser. I may be little bit if an exception to this since I came from high end into poser. If anything, my critical view of most poser content has dulled a bit.

As for the quality, yes, originality would be a significant part of it, but I still wouldn't go for a low quality original item. Lingerie, I wouldn't mind it do much if it was well done, and more creative.

I suppose a number of vendors leaving for DAZ is a factor. I've been frustrated with DAZ too, since the merge with PoerPros. It too has had an influx of lower end product, and its harder and harder to find stuff I'm impressed with.

While we had some nice characters come out lately, seems like clothing suffers the most.
I wish we had more Ayery Souls, Stonemasons, blackhearteds, Uzilites and similar.

I know a lot of people like 9mbi, and it seems to fill the mid level need, and is great for group and non-closeup scenes. Seems like more and more we don't get anything thats' much higher level then 9mbi. But yet, galleries are filled with close up images of items that should never be zoomed to very closely (because they start looking too cartoonish).

I look at Billy-T, I absolutely LOVED his T-coat, and looked forward to what he'll make next, and seems like things have gone down instead of up from there. I've seen this with a good number of other top vendors.

Hi Connie,

I couldn't agree more, the marketplace is every day much more of the same and with an alarming low quality. It's been a long time ago that I said "WOW!, that looks good"
But what happened to your outfit, you were creating, that was a real beauty

Best regards,

Bopper.

Quote - I agree and originality seems to be null and void these days, I dont even check the 2d stuff because all that is is copycat items over and over.  the best things I have been seeing lately are hair products and then again, you can only have so much hair.

 
BLASPHAMY!!! :tt2: Any hair by AprilYSH goes in my cart these days! I'm actually trying to render more and buy less these days. I only recently broke out the credit card to buy Sydney's Ultimate head and Body morphs from RDNA because they work on Olivia. While I was there they snuck He-Bot and She-Bot into my cart! Arrrggghhh! <Ooo Shiney!!>

I'd really love to see more for the male Poser models, especially M3 and Apollo. Unfortunately, as always, the male Poser models get left out. I wouldn't be surprised to see that once the excitement dies down that M4 will go the fate of his predecessors.

9mbi has become my hero. His items are extremely inexpensive and fill the void for V4 to have real clothing. I only wish that vendors would make add-ons (as mentioned already) for all those cute outfits.

It is but a dream I have...

6K for a wishlist? Holy cr@p! :blink:

As far as Freestuff and quality goes, my sig pretty much covers how I feel about Freestuff. :biggrin:

Well I'm thankfull to have a market place.  As for what is in it.....I also like those old realistic textures,  Dal's Rick, Quim2005, lobo75 ect. But maybe things are going through a transition and great stuff will come back around.  Rendo though has always been a great place, perhaps products will change as peoples demand changes.

Quote - Hi Connie,

I couldn't agree more, the marketplace is every day much more of the same and with an alarming low quality. It's been a long time ago that I said "WOW!, that looks good"
But what happened to your outfit, you were creating, that was a real beauty
Best regards,
Bopper.

Hey Bopper, thanks for asking :)
My outfit has been submitted to Rendo today :)  YAY.
Target release date is Nov 7th

I also have the windy wizard robe texture add on I'm submitting today.

as a vendor i have found that if your not creating for the newest latest thing here .....then it's not saleable and won't be allowed into the market place.
my last 3 texture items were denied as they were not for v4 items but the older v3
which i still use mostly. so i have given up on my store here and moved on to a different one.
netta

There are some recent things I've been buying, like an outfit at daz that was closish to a game outfit I've wanted to see made (but it's missing the dress), however I think there aren't as many things that have interested me as when I've first gotten here.

I'm kinda with the poster who said maybe it's the amount of time spent here that's changed our view of products in the MP. I still use, on a regular basis, character meshes I bought five years ago, because there hasnt been much that's really screamed BUY ME! since. I'll buy an occasional texture and then rework it for my own needs or a set prop and then rescale it to fit the characters I use. But I happily ignored all the stuff for V3 and will no doubt do the same for V4 and A4. It's just not interesting, sorry.

And I happily accept that I'm well within the minority on that point. But I find it amusing to see sooooooooooo much similar stuff out there. The note about the expected products for M4 is a valid one: I love the final results -- even M4 itself was worth the wait (and I say that in my own astonishment) -- but did any of us really expect anything original?

But let's not forget that buying in the MP is all about impulse, which is why we see so many scanty outfits and cookie-cutter showgirl textures. It's that "Ooo bright shiny!" syndrome: a product sells well for about two weeks, then gets lost in the rush of everything else, so the merchant has to make sure it sells damn well for those two weeks. Ergo: Ooo! Bright! Shiny! :)

Quote - I'm kinda with the poster who said maybe it's the amount of time spent here that's changed our view of products in the MP.

Wow, that's like when John McCain called Barack Obama "That One".  :tt2:

ps: not arguing with you, I buy pretty much nothing for Poser any more, Dimension3D's tools are all I've spent money on in the past few months ;)

Heh, maybe I spoke too soon... a little bit at least. Just in last couple of days I saw a few nicer places in the MP. Maybe Vendors are saving their best for the holiday shopping season.

Quote - I'm kinda with the poster who said maybe it's the amount of time spent here that's changed our view of products in the MP. I still use, on a regular basis, character meshes I bought five years ago, because there hasnt been much that's really screamed BUY ME! since. I'll buy an occasional texture and then rework it for my own needs or a set prop and then rescale it to fit the characters I use. But I happily ignored all the stuff for V3 and will no doubt do the same for V4 and A4. It's just not interesting, sorry.

And I happily accept that I'm well within the minority on that point. But I find it amusing to see sooooooooooo much similar stuff out there. The note about the expected products for M4 is a valid one: I love the final results -- even M4 itself was worth the wait (and I say that in my own astonishment) -- but did any of us really expect anything original?

But let's not forget that buying in the MP is all about impulse, which is why we see so many scanty outfits and cookie-cutter showgirl textures. It's that "Ooo bright shiny!" syndrome: a product sells well for about two weeks, then gets lost in the rush of everything else, so the merchant has to make sure it sells damn well for those two weeks. Ergo: Ooo! Bright! Shiny! :)

ditto!  i feel the same way as Conniekat8, but i do still think it's me.  i think the market is condensing some, because the trend from independent creators to mass merchants wasn't quantized but continual.  and it's still happening.  as the good become great and the great become amazing (Stonemason, Lourdes, etc.), demand for quality goes up.  more skill can only do so much; at some point hard work has to make up the rest.  well, not only does that mean you need to reduce your work by repurposing base elements, but you need to make sure your products sell more and more.

and it's all circular.  i got told once in the forums that there was no way people would buy products for males and females if DAZ started pushing products that were based on traditional fine art (say Renaissance to pre-Raphaelites).  frankly, i don't buy that.  i think if all the fairy girl pictures in the DAZ gallery were precisely the same skill level but in a more fine art style, everyone would be aspiring to a differnt aim.  as is, if you're part of the Poser community, you have to deliberately block out all the media pushing the main popular Poser types to even think of something else.  there's tons of popular genres out there that are neglected in Poserdom.  but the community is caught in a tightening popularity loop.

advertising works, and one of the primary functions of the galleries and forums is advertising. 

if you've been here a while, it's very visible.  every year, there's less interesting stuff.  every year the stuff that is interesting gets a little lower quality on average and relative to skimpy fantasy girl outfit no. 1,000, 002.  every year, the art fits more and more rigid parameters, as more of the skilled follow norms or leave, and the unskilled are shown more and more limited examples of what good and appealing artwork should be.  again and again, i've watched those who've grown artistically, not just improved their skills but explored different visions, leave the community.

maybe things will change.  but it would take a really, really big change of some sort.  for instance, when D|S gets dynamic clothes, it may become much easier to make clothes, and more profitable to give people creative power not tied to a specific style.  Poser 8 might finally be the draw to higher end users its team seems to want it to be.  certainly life is often unexpected.  but i'm not counting on an end to trend towards a singular and incredibly proscribed artistic vision.  i actually think that's happening in most media, anyway.

Quote - but the community is caught in a tightening popularity loop.

This is entirely the Poser community's own fault.  Different voting systems that are provided by Renderosity and other places provide an outlet for it, but the basic drive to "win" the gallery game comes from the people playing it.  I ignore it as much as possible but it still makes me cringe when my nose is rubbed in it (which is any time I click the default gallery link here and see 2/3 of the page dedicated to the popularity game. but oh well).

edit: aside from that, I'm doing all I can to bring a new renaissance of small breasts, thick thighs, short legs, and big noses, everything that is good about classical art in the feminine form, but I am only one person ;)

It's all moot I guess vendors will be like politicians ignore most of us and do as they please. Oh well what can you say?

It's all about the buyer/consumer base I guess.  Most go for the popularity, and thus this is where V4 comes in.  What I'm noticing is that there's nothing new as far as her body shape goes, the same default shape, and the texture (sets) are two sides of the coin: great here and bleh there.

I haven't spend much on V4, as I would like to make my own creations (I might go for jasmina's, SaintFox's or 9mbi's stuff), and I'm also eyeing on D3D's Morphing Clothes as a buy, but that's pretty much it.

I do miss the vender's of the past though: Danae, Uzilite; at least Aery Soul's holding on their own though.

The interesting thing about all of this is that the tools for vendors are getting so good.  PhilC and Dimension3D have excellent ways to assist vendors.  Even my C4D plugin can export Poser-ready morphs, poses, animations.  So, why is it that the quality is going down but the amount of work is also going down?

You'd think that with all of these available tools there would be more quality stuff for Poser figures (morphs, textures, outfits).

And here is one of my answers: these market places are not really great to work with.  Renderosity takes a large cut and every part of the process takes a lot of work for the vendor (that is, there are numerous guidelines to follow and a lot of minutia that just makes the process that more nerve-wracking).  This is why so many vendors bolted - remember?  There should be no size restriction (or at least one relevant to the times - I regularly download 200MB or 1.5GB OS updates or products - 70MB is pffff these days).  Product updates should be much easier and faster.  Products shouldn't be relegated to some bin after a few months of lag (which should be really bad at this point) and then removed after a few more.  I realize that this helps Rendo to keep the number of products down for their servers but it seems an incorrect way to do it.  For instance, if a product that is removed with others based on it, the user may want this accessory product but can't purchase the required base.  So, they don't get the accessory product and it languishes.  It is a vicious circle.

Unfortunately, the entire process of creating figures, props, poses, animations, materials, clothing, and so on is not a simple process for the feignt of heart.  If it were, these extra impediments and the low income wouldn't be so detrimental.  I'm not advocating raising prices nor am I advocating lower quality 'you get what you pay for' products.  What is needed is better ways to make Poser content (and these are growing) and better returns on the investment in time and work.

As an example, I spent about six months researching, designing, and building my Futeinokatana product.  In the real world, this amount of work might be worth $50K-100K minimum.  In poser world, this only amounts to $5K-$10K.  It makes all of the effort seem rather futile.  There are 3D modelers and riggers out there in studios making much, much, much more than this per year.  Where is the gratification?  The law of diminishing returns prevails.  You want quality, you have to pay for it.  My honest opinion is that stores like the RMP need to stop taking such deep cuts of sales so that there is at least a modicum of profitable return on the hard work of the vendor - eh. hem. ;P

Quality is going down.
Originality is next to nil (with a few notable exceptions).
Pin-ups and T&A-styled 'items' are dominating the market. (Excuse me while I gag.)
And prices continue to go UP and UP and UP.
Lack of support for the males (especially M3 and D3 and the Freak).
Lack of support for the pre-teens and toddlers and the baby figures.

This is why, with just a couple of exceptions for certain merchants, I do not buy in Rendo. The only places I really buy from on a regular basis is RDNA and Daz, and even those are getting rare, too.

V4 is crap. M4 is crap. NOT IMPRESSED with either one. I have to this point, yet to put V4 to any common use. Once in a blue moon I pull her out when I have to. Then put her away again and go cool off my temper. I HATE the Gen-4's, I have a list of gripes a mile long with them.

I resisted the switch from V2/M2 to V3/M3 as well, but after working with the Mil3's, I admit they are nice figures, with nice morphs. Still, to this day I will render with my P4fmale/emales, my Generation2's.

The market places are useless for those of us who do not do nudity, T&A's and pinup shots, by and large. And I have no intention to spend anymore cash on M4 or V4, that's for bloody sure. I picked up each of them, an outfit or two and morphs just to be able to provide some BASIC product support.

But then I also am not a merchant. I'm a freebie creator. I have always been a freebie maker. I will always BE a freebie maker. The entire marketplace mentality makes me sick and I have burned several times by Rendo and another place I shall not name. So I stick to making my freebies, and am glad to make them free. I keep hoping I'll get a better handle on raw modelling, because let me tell you, if I COULD model clothing and rig it and get it to conform etc, I would definitely be doing it for the neglected figures and such out there. I wish I could. Hexagon makes my mind explode. Wings3D I only barely have an amateur's handle on and I've been using it for years. Carrara? Too expensive, way too far over my head. Same for 3DSMax, Rhino3D, Lightwave, Maya, etc etc.

I think what the marketplace boils down to, is a symptom of society in general - and society in general, at least here in the united states, is degenerating more and more each year. There are times where I am tempted to pack up my kid and my belongings, take the great hike north into the Lady's icy tundra where things are still natural as She and nature intended, and never look back. The market places are just a symptom of the same stuff.

People respond to sex. So that's what gets advertised. People respond to pinups, skimpy dresses, and those 'warrioresses' who run around in bloody armoured underwear. (Don't get me started on THAT one....)

I won't bother to post up what I'd like to see in the marketplaces, because truth be told, unless it's really exceptional, AND I happen to have spare cash I can afford to part with, I'm not going to buy it any-darn-way. I'll always, ALWAYs hit the freebie areas first. (There's another pet-peeve for you. Rendo absolutely DESTROYED their bloody freebie database with this )(&£%&£^%)(&*#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! new search method they have. There are no words for how much I hate it.)

Conclusion is? People buy skimpy and slutty. They don't buy every-day and realistic very often. This phenomenon goes for things like skin textures, and hair objects and shoes as well. Have you tried looking for just a plain old pair of sneakers? Good luck finding them. What about jeans and a t-shirt? You know, that AREN'T skin tight or have such a low v-necklin that you can see the breasts popping out of them a mile away...

I better stop here. I'm ranting again.

• seliah

Well, you guys, (conniekat8 here, but under my vendor name)... I just made a new piece for Apollo. (go to marketplace, -> what's new!  it just came out).
Let's see it die a quick death of the rest of non v4 pieces LOLOL!

As a side note, I'm actually curious about getting a few opinions on the textures.

Quote - Well, you guys, (conniekat8 here, but under my vendor name)... I just made a new piece for Apollo. (go to marketplace, -> what's new!  it just came out).
Let's see it die a quick death of the rest of non v4 pieces LOLOL!

As a side note, I'm actually curious about getting a few opinions on the textures.

Killer

first day in the store, when there's most sales... not one sale, and only 6 wishlist clicks.
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I suppose with M4 out, the timing is no good.  I should have released it few months ago, when it was almost finished.  Oh well!

(Yes, I'm whining)

I think that you're going to find that most people have less disposable income of late (unless you are the CEO of a large banking/lending firm).  I'm at rock bottom at the moment and resisting very hard not to increase the balance on my credit cards (which were decreasing nicely until recently).  It is going to get much worse before there are any improvements.  People are being laid off in droves.  Thank you, Mr. Bush, for grinding the country and world into dust.

Yeah, I've been laid off in March from my engineering job, and still no work on the horizon.
Trying to pick up some contract work here and there, but there isn't much going on.

I heard on the news today that the next stimulus package will extend unemployment benefits, and put some money in infrastructure development. I hope that helps.

Depressing!

I thought at least I'd get more then 6 wishlist add's. That's even more depressing, people are not even windowshopping.  Very depressing.

Well, good luck getting a new job.  I've got a feeling things will turn around quickly once people stop panicing.

And I saw your textureand it was nice, but I don't have Apollo or his wizard outfit...

Thank You Winterclaw!   :)