I'm finding that Vue 7 doesnt seem to be able to handle as much as Vue 6 when it comes to imported objects.  I'm working on a scene with maybe 6 imported objects and the resources are already dropping to 6% when I open it.  It's crashed on me 3 or 4 times already (which I was hoping would be something Vue 7 would be better at).....I dont know, I just get so frustrated with Vue sometimes.  I've never had a program crash on me as much as Vue....I mean, it crashes, on average, 5 to 10 times when I use it. 

I dont want to degrade the quality of the pictures themselves, but does anyone have some hints on how to work around this. 

Refining the mesh?

In Vue cmon...are you serious :D

Anyway, whats your specs?

I'm using a quadcore and I have around 4 gigs of memory....just had my video card upgraded but I dont remember to what.....

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2762713

Thanks again for the help....I gotta say, though, that for a program as expensive as Vue, we shouldn't have to downgrade its quality to use it.  It should work the ways it's supposed to.

i fully agree...but why always blame Vue...Why not Windows...why not the shit drivers these megacorps give us...honestly...these programs don't run on magic...i just think the people who work over there are to fucking stoned to say hey...go here and get these drivers...it is sheer will that made me find these. i love 3D, and i love Vue...sick of the VUE SUCKS Bullshit to be honest. these worked for me 100%

Good point....I actually live in Portland, and one of the suburbs of Portland is Beaverton, where Vue's headquarters are....I've often thought about heading over there to rant, but my anger always subsides after a few moments....thanks for letting me rant!

But you know, my problem is with this new version....I mean, it just crashed again, this time because it ran out of memory when I tried to apply a texture....this is rediculous....as much as Vue 6 crashed (and it crashed A LOT) it did so when the scene was damn near bursting at the seems with objects. 

And I did those things that silverblade said in the post you sent me to and I see no difference.

By the way, what are the drivers you're talking about? 

#1 ) What are your system specs?

#2 What version of Vue and which build?

#3 What kind of objects?

As much detail as possible may help :)

Well,  you have ot understand, PCs are a DIGUSTING pain in the ass to code for, unlike a console or Amiga, which has a (mostly) nice standard architecture, PCs have so much variance, it's..painful, extremely so.
COmpare an Amiga to a PC, it took about 15 years, certainly 10, before PCs could do somethings AMiga's could do no problem (like, being stable, lol!)
But, it resulted in much innovation and cheapness...swings and round abouts :/

Oh, having 64 bit 8 gig system helps an assload. HUGE difference, alas I know, many have money worrie snowadays, oh I know, ugh. but, it's a breath of fresh air (provided, you set it up right and don't get a piece of crap)

THings I do in my scenes would drive most apps/rigs to their damn knees. my "Docks of Bral" pic, 1 guy, the dock sections, and the star lights are instanced, rest is are individual meshes....try that in most other apps (and remember, there's a HUGE difference between using a natively built object in say, Lightwave, and importing an obj, which is how I build my ships, or poser folk)

:)

 Drivers, drivers for vid card, they vary a lot, usually most recent ones are best, USUALLY
You'll find massive improvement from initial to latest ones, most of the time (note, caveat!)

ALso, and this is dangerous, you should always make sure your PC has latest hardware updates too, ie, the chipsets. BUT BUT BUT!! big warning, don't mess with those unless you know what yer doing, you can wreck your PC if you screw up.
I always chekc on forums for the motherboard, to find out what dirvers are needed etc.

IIRC was on my other rig, I updated the Intel Chipset on the motherboard, helped a ton with stability.
 

I'm not very computer savvy so a lot of this terminology is like greek to me.  My computer in a dual quad core and I have 3 gig of ram.  It's 32 bit.  Beyond that I have no idea.  The thing is, Vue 6 was able to easily handle what I'm doing, so I dont see why Vue 7 should have these problems.

Most of the imported models I use are made in xfrog or silo.  And again, with Vue 6 I could easily populate a scene with up to 20 or 30 models....sure it would be slow and crash a lot, but it still worked.  With Vue 7 I put like 3 or 4 objects in and the resources dip so low that the simple act of changing a texture will cause it to crash for lack of memory. 

I still dont understand what drivers are.  Like I said, I'm not very computer savvy.  And if drivers are something that need to be installed, ugh....I dont have a car so doing that would be a major hassle.  I appreciate all the help and am sorry for being so angry about all this.  It's just so frustrating that I get an updated version of a program only to find it cant handle what its predecessor could.

Oh, and as for the build, I'm pretty sure I have the latest.

This topic has been discussed in other threads, maybe you could do a search. In fact, Vue 7 has a higher memory overhead than Vue6. That's only natural, each new software version of almost everything demands more from the hardware. So, unless you upgrade your hardware (or change it...) you'll have problems. Your system is a bit outdated. A 32 bit system and 3GB is something of the past... :-) If you upgrade to 64 bit system and 8 GB RAM (like I and many others in this forum have done) you'll see a ton of difference. In this case, you won't see any deterioration of performance, quite the contrary, Vue 7 is much faster.

I figured it was coming to this, but I'm very disappointed that I have to upgrade my computer to make this work. 

OK, can I upgrade my existing computer or do I have to get a new one?

Also, I just unistalled Vue 7 hoping to fix the problem by reinstalling it, and when I did, it came up with an error saying there either wasnt enough room (which there is) or I wasnt authorized to install it (which I dont understand).....so tired of all this right now.....

Thanks for listening....

OK, so I think the problem with the reinstalling was due to the fact that, even though I uninstalled it, I forgot it was still open, so even though it was uninstalled it was still running, if that makes sense....anyway, hopefully it's fixed......

Quote - "*I figured it was coming to this, but I'm very disappointed that I have to upgrade my computer to make this work. *"

If you'd follow all the threads in this forum, you'd be informed about this problem before making the purchase... ;-)

Regarding upgrade or buy a new one, I'm not sure as it depends on the specificities of your hardware. Anyway, what I did some months ago when confronted with something similar, was to buy a new one, dedicated to Vue and companion apps (GC, Poser, etc), and keep the old one (also XP 32 bits, 3GB, as yours) for everything else (internet, email, other documents, etc) and for a rendercow.  I'm really happy with this constellation, I must tell you.

I know, I need to follow the forums more.....I think for the time being I'll use Vue 7 to render large simple landscapes and simpler pictures (which it seems to handle fine) and Vue 6 for the complex, improted object heavy ones....

I like your idea of having a computer specifically for Vue....sounds awesome actually....may I ask, how much did you pay for your Vue specific computer? 

All off-the-shelf computers these days have lots of stuff I don't need for Vue (TV card, sound card, card readers, DVD burner, loud speakers, fancy keyboards, wireless lan, lots of different types of ports, etc, etc). I went to a local computer store and ordered a computer with none of this stuff, just the components I really needed, and good ones too. The total price was about 800€, if I remember right.

When you get some free time, would you mind giving me a somewhat detailed list of those things....I'm not a genius by any means when it comes to computers so I usually need a lot of help....also, what does that translate into dollars, roughly? 

Please vue is the problem.  It always has been.  The fan boys and girls will say its windows, but really vue is the buggiest software I've ever bought.  It's been that way since it's conception.  It's old software that was never really that good to begin with especially when it comes to render time and bugs

Oh, I have been missing your always constructive comments, CobraEye. One can learn a lot with your posts in this forum. :-)

Artur, I wouldn't bother with CobraEye, he's a known troll looking for a reaction. Best to ignore those like him.

:-)
But I must say I do find him funny because he's so predictible and so repetitive. Whenever there's someone complaining of something about Vue, we can bet he'll be there. I can imagine him on his lonely house, no friends, surrounded of bitterness everywhere, in an endless patrol of all forums, looking for someone, somewhere saying something bad about Vue. When he finds one, he shouts "This is a job for... CobraEye!!". And he dresses his uniform and comes to the rescue of those in need, throwing pearls of wisdom everywhere. And the crowd goes "is it a bird, is it a plane? No, it's CobraEye! Oh, I needed him so bad, thank God he came! Now I know what to do with Vue! CobraEye is my hero!".

Just delightful! :-)

a DUAL QUAD CORE,  if that's what you have, is not an out of date machine at all! 
there's dual core (somewhat older)
Quad core (recent)
two quad cores (Xeons, very VERY expensive)
and the new i7 CPUs which are like, two quad cores ad will replace normal quad cores.

Actually the latest Nvidia driver made my system worse and I had to do a system restore today, lol!

FOr latest Nvidia video drivers, know what type your video card is, then go to
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
Select drivers form the menus for your operating system, and graphics card type (very bad if you put in wrong ones)

download, install driver. I think the prior version I have for my system is better than the newest one (which made my mouse lock up! jeesh)

if it goes bad, you do a System Restore to undo it.

Drivers are bits of software that tell hardware how to work. over time they get improved, bugs removed etc.

Sounds like your system is recent, so shouldn't need to upgrade the hardware.

However a 64 bit operating system is better, but you'd need ot buy a new copy of WIndows specifically for that, and re-install everything which maybe a pain in the arse to do.

Have you run WIndows Update to get drivers for your system?

I get PCs specifically built to order in locla shop, so I KNOW what is inside and choose the best parts within my budget.
:)

Cobra,
yeah yah yeah,...yawn.
works fine on my system, just minor bugs, odd that, eh? :rolleyes:
yes some poor sods have problems, but, apart form MACs, often the cause of severe problems is a crappy PC, due to bad make, or drivers not updated, or loaded with malware, games (with DRM crud) etc,and Murphy's Law can hit anyone.

Silverblade, the first dual cores hit the streets in early 2005. That's 4 years now. So, if FCLittle got one at that time, it's probably time to change it. A 4 year old desktop is ready to go to a museum... :-)
The quadcores hit the streets 2 years ago, early 2007.

Time does fly... :-)

Oh, let me correct myself, I hadn't noticed FCLittle had a dual quad core!!
I had understood dual core, sorry!
Frank, are you sure it's a dual quad?

This is what it says about my processor---Intel(R) Core (TM) 2 Quad CPU

Ah, that's not a dual quad. The expression "Intel Core 2" is just the general designation that Intel gave to the new processors, after the Pentium. You have a quad core, not a dual quad.
Anyway, it's a good one. All you need is a 64 bit system and more RAM. :-)

 Also, I think you should check out the drivers issue. If you don't want to install new drivers, try working in software openGL mode for awhile and see if your crashes don't stop. Or even try wireframe mode (no OpenGL)

How do I find out what kind of drivers I have?  And what kind of video card? 

I generally use a nice little tool called "DXDIAG". It shows a nice summary of the most relevant things regarding your hardware and drivers (model, versions, etc). Click Start->Run->dxdiag->Ok.

 You can go to this site and download the OpenGL tool Caps Viewer. It should tell you all you need to know:

http://www.ozone3d.net/gpu_caps_viewer/

 For the record, I use Vue 7 Infinite on two different machines. One is 64-bit Vista, the other 32-bit Vista. For most everything I do, the 32-bit Vista works fine. For really memory hungry scenes, as Artur correctly says, the 64-bit is preferred.

Just to let you know there still is a lot which can be done with older 32-bit systems.

i am importing huge files and have no problem at all. so it might be another thing.

(in addition to other stuff mentioned above)

do you have the latest update of vue?
do you know that windows 32bit only allows 1GB RAM per application? (regardless of the 4GB you have)
there is a so called 3GB switch where windows allows 3GB per application. you have to google up how to set this but once you have this on you should have less problems caused by low memory.

if possible also try exporting through other file formats for importing. i found that not all are handled the same way in vue.

hope this helps a little

Quote - "do you know that windows 32bit only allows 1GB RAM per application? (regardless of the 4GB you have)"

The limit is 2GB per application in a 32 bit system.

Quote - "there is a so called 3GB switch where windows allows 3GB per application."

That switch allows the system overall to see the 3GB, but not each application. The natural limit would be 2GB for the whole system, this switch allows it to see 3GB maximum (even if you have 4).

There's no way to increase the 2GB limit per application (that I know of).

my bad i guess :) i was told the other version by my IT guy in the company ... but i'll trust Arturo with all the expertise he was brought here so far!

If using windows  as 32-bit operating system, then the 3GB switch reduces the memory that windows use, to allow more memory for programs. If it is useful that a program (32 bit) can use more than 2GB (rare) then there is the possibility to use an option for the program that is called  "Large Adress Aware" - if Windows (32-bit) is set with the 3GB switch, and if a program that is "Large Adress Aware" gets this flag set, then the program can (as far as I know) use more than 2GB. How to set the flag? - with a program like "Latido".
Vue6 is "Large adress aware". Vue7 is not.

Just for Info.

I had never heard about this Latido. I googled for it now but found very few references and no download site. Do you have any idea where to find this?

I found this page:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb147385.aspx

And from here I conclude that this Latido shouldn't be necessary to make any app, with this flag set, to address more than 2GB. Do you agree?

Anyway, I do have the /3GB switch on my XP32 and I could never have Vue to use more than 2GB (before that happens, it crashes). May I ask how do you know that Vue6 has this flag set?

Sorry Rutra, it's called LaaTiDo -
Try here :- http://www.musikbanken.se/TechLaaTiDo.aspx
It worked with Vue6, not with Vue7

I tried it with Vue6, it gave me more resources.....  (but, as I said, not Vue7)

Basically, you need the /3GB swich for WinXP32 by boot, which gives the potential to use more memory for programs. Than, you need to be able to patch the program so it can use the extra memory. Not all programs can use this, it depends on how they were compiled. If a program can use the extra memory (is "Large Adress Aware"), then LaaTiDo (for example) can manipultate it to use the extra memory.
My personal experience with XP Pro 32 and 4GB Memory? The switch and LaaTiDo brought a lot. In the meantime, because Vue7 doesn't appear to support this, I'm thinking of updating my PC.....
Rob

Thanks!