I downloaded and installed Apollo Maximus part 1, 2 and 3 and everything works fine except where do I find the clothes? I can see them in "Poses" but they won't work from there..

(Yes, I am really feeling dumb..)

Hi there :)

The clothing that you see in "poses" isn't really clothing. Those are the textures for the clothing.

Look under "Characters" to find the actual clothing items.

Check out the following thread for an essay that I compiled with information geared towards the new Poser user.  There are some tutorials listed too that will help you grasp the basics.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2735068&page=1#message_3201624

Acadia,

Thank you for answering! But when I followed your link I found mostly information that I picked up over a weekend without any manual. Do I have to shift through tons of tutorials consisting of 90% of what I know already to find the little bit of information I need?

Why can't you just answer my question? It can be said in a sentence or two of that I am sure.

And I will owe you one.

I did answer your question.  I said.....

"The clothing that you see in "poses" isn't really clothing. Those are the textures for the clothing.

Look under "Characters" to find the actual clothing items. "

Arcadia, "I did answer your question.  I said....."

That answer doesn't help me at all. I can find no menu item that is called Characters. When I find it out, I will post the answer in this thread such as I think you should have answered it.

Look under 'figures' ....;)

This is the answer (which I am sure you know..):

"To use the textures that come with Apollo Maximus or any other textures, you must first download and install "Epic Clothing Library".

One sentence, precisely as I thought.

Thanks!

Okay, newbie, lesson for today:

When someone says "characters", it also means "figures". People use the terms interchangeably.

Got it now?

Perhaps to avoid misunderstanding I should mention that I do not intend to use Poser in the classical (normal?) way but only as a type of mannequin, to pose characters. I might not even care to render the models, preferring to paint over. The same goes for clothes. That was the reason the orginal Poser creator started out with Poser you know.

"In the 1980’s, my secret ambition was to become an illustrator, to draw like the great old masters. But something was lacking in my brain that kept me from being able to visualize my characters’ complex poses."
-Larry Weinberg.

Using Poser in this way is a fairly trivial task, or so I imagine.

Lesson #2:  There is no need to be belligerent.  Individuals here on this forum are trying to help others who are struggling with Poser.  Newbie or veteran.  There is no payment or reimbursement for their helpful time, so be a little courteous.  If you don't like their answer, thank them and move on.  We're trying to help each other, not provoke animosity.

quote "Why can't you just answer my question? "
Quote "That answer doesn't help me at all. I can find no menu item that is called Characters. When I find it out, I will post the answer in this thread such as I think you should have answered it."

MMMM? lesson #2 - "Patience is a Virtue"

I know as a newbie years ago I couldn't work out what was what and got very frustrated with it all.... BUT please don't get heated around the collar when someone answers your question not to your satisfaction, folk are trying to be helpful and they are not aware of how much you already know, If you hadn't learned the 90% over the weekend then that thread may have been very useful to you.

The reason Acadia called the figures library folder "Characters" is probably because it is called a characters folder within the programme (if you check out the runtime treemenu within windows explorer it is called that) once you are more familiar with the structure of the runtime you will be able to move items around within each library to suit you (not geometries or textures folders though or everything will go pearshaped) This can be done within Windows explorer itself.

Poser is not a programme to be learnt overnight, or even a weekend.  Most people still are learning after a year or so.

Quote - Lesson #2:  There is no need to be belligerent.  Individuals here on this forum are trying to help others who are struggling with Poser.  Newbie or veteran.  There is no payment or reimbursement for their helpful time, so be a little courteous.  If you don't like their answer, thank them and move on.  We're trying to help each other, not provoke animosity.

oops!! me thought the same thing at the same time  :)

Well I AM sorry I did get a little irritated being directed to a site with hundreds of tutorials when I believed that she all the time knew the answer and I was stuck on a ridiculous bagatelle.

Acadia, I apologize!

Lully, "Poser is not a programme to be learnt overnight, or even a weekend.  Most people still are learning after a year or so."

Not the way I intend to use Poser. Didn't you read my last post?

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Not the way I intend to use Poser. Didn't you read my last post?

I did after I posted, at the time of you writing yours, I was in the middle of a rediculously long post giving quite abit of instruction, then deleted it  which is typical of what i do, WAFFLE WAFFLE WAFFLE  :)

Yep, if you only need it to pose then the learning curve will be that much smaller, I wish you luck!  :D

Thank you! What Poser do, it does well.

From Wikipedia,

"In October 2005, after the original of The Singing Butler sold for £740,000, research revealed that Vettriano had used the DIY-painting artists' reference manual The Illustrator's Figure Reference Manual to form his figures, using a then unknown pose by London based struggling Irish actress Orla Brady for the 'lady in red.' Vettriano is self-taught, and said he used such sources in his early years, as he did not have the financial resources to hire models."

You never said you haven't installed the clothes,either, and that is where the greatest confusion came from. After you said you installed all those Apollo packs, most people assumed that you had installed the clothing items. Not everyone uses that figure and doesn't know what's IN the packs.

One thing you have to understand about this place:If someone replies to your post for help, they ARE trying to aid you, and not everyone here IS fluent in English!  We understand your frustration. I still remember being a noob.  Heck, I still am in lots of way.  Everyone uses Poser in different ways, so try to keep you cool.

People will help you one way or another.:laugh:

quote "From Wikipedia,"
yep alot of folk use poser as a ref tool, I can't draw so that rules me out as one of those folk lol

Quote "and not everyone here IS fluent in English!"
I 'm not fluent and I'm from England, I'm fluent in cockney, does that count, :D

Lully, " I can't draw .."
Hmm,

Didn't your draw your Featured Image, "Baillie by Lully"  at your Homepage?

It looks painted to me. If you didn't paint it do you care to tell us interested
readers how you did it?

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Didn't your draw your Featured Image, "Baillie by Lully"  at your Homepage?

It looks painted to me. If you didn't paint it do you care to tell us interested
readers how you did it?

No, thats entirely poser , think I run it through a photoshop action to soften it
I used to paint hair and clothes but over the past year had problems with my hands and cant hold a pen properly so drawing is a nono now

Ok....I'm thinking patience might be needed all around. 

vintorix, explainations have been given as to why you might have been confused.  Keeping on that topic will probably only raise your blood pressure.

Even the way you intend to use it, there is still a learning curve.  And, YES, Patience is needed, even for that.  Posing, itself, is actually difficult to do properly.  And, you can tell.  So, please, rather than snipping at people, please take a breather, realize that you're asking for help and not a fight, and let's go from there, ok?

Jen, I think folks are calm, now, so we can ALL cool off and Kick back and talk about using Poser and stuff.  At this point we talk reasonably without high blood pressures and stuff.

@vintorix--I can't draw or paint any more,either.  I used to be an accomplished painter and graphic artist, and then I had two strokes, and that stilled my hands, but not my art.  Now I do CGI, instead painting. I can hold a mouse, and Poser is theraputic. I can still make art, just a different media.  That is what Poser is and all CGI.  Just different ways to show something.

If you get into shaders, lighting, and such, you might find a hobby, as well as a medium. I'm enjoying both. :laugh:

"I used to be an accomplished painter and graphic artist, and then I had two strokes"

I am sorry to hear that but looking at your gallery you seem to manage quite well!

Yes a hobby, and in a few years who knows? Churchill’s first word of advice to budding artists was "audacity."

just a note to acadia that i appreciate those tutorials now even years after bein a poser user and totally appreciate everythin you do for poser community and wish you'd been around when i was a beginner:)

There are some internal inconsistancies in Poser. The library that contains figures for example is ..runtimelibrariescharacter, but from within Poser its the Figure tab in the library .  Figure and character are sometimes used as the same thing where some people make the distinction that a figure is the geometry and morphs , while a character is settings to make the figure look unique.  So Esmerelda for V4 is the character Esmerelda for the figure V4.

Its very easy to be confused about what a person is even asking.

The poses library is either positioning poses or material poses that change the appearance of the item.

Last time I looked there were three(3) install files for Apollo and several more for the clothing sets.

Make sure you have downloaded and installed everything.  Clothing will be in Figures or Props depending on what it is .

If you are painting over the poser image you might consider turning off shadows for the lights and using the lower render settings to produce the image. It will save a lot of time.

HERE is the apollo downloads  - three files of Epic clothing pack.

markschum,

Each and everything you say is correct as far as I know in every detail, it is more or less what I have learned during the day. I only wish that you had been here in the morning then you would have saved me a lot of time!

"Experience is a teacher who is always late"

"Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want."--Babe Ruth

"Better late than Never"--92 year old man at his first marriage to an 86 year old woman.
:laugh:
I said what I said to illustrate a point about never giving up and you never know what turns life may toss at you.  You're pretty canny to have taken it as I meant it. ^__^V,,  Welcome to Renderosity and the world of Posering.

You could just sit down and read the manual......

If you need a mannekin, Poser comes with one (I think it's under 'additional figures'...;) We call it 'woody'...

Seriously, I'm still a newbie after 6 years, so it's all about motivation. If you want to just start doing things, that's cool. It's your copy of the package, your methods, and your goals.

If you want to not go through a million tutorials, start with the basics; Doctor Geep. There's only ( I lost count) about a hundred (?) or so, but they're broken down into individual aspects of the program, and you only need to do the one you want, not all of them (sorry, Doc...;) There should be a link at the top of the forum for some of his stuff.

There's tutorials of his for conforming clothing, for dynamic clothing, and the very basics of the Program. You don't need to know everything, just the things that interest you. He's helped me out over the years (Naysay and I are on a first-name basis...you'll see when you try one of the tutes..;)

we're here to help. Just take it one step at a time, and you'll be posting in no time.