Is it dia de los muertos yet? I thought that was usually later in the year. Anyway, hi great-grandparents! Very nice of you to visit.

Hehe... I had the same idea but you where far quicker than I was!

 Damn, Les!  You were the fastest render in the west today! Holy cow! LOLOLOL:laugh:  You struck again!  Leave it to the Sixus1 guy to do something creepy.  It IS you all's stock in trade.:lol:

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Here you go RorrKonn. Some hair on the dead.  

P.S. Sorry, but I just could not resist taking advantage of the typo.

LMAO Heck of a add for rogaine :)

Well, so apparently I've uploaded the new preview...

...and apparently I've just downloaded and installed it. Funny how these things seem to work, huh? :P

edit - The new poses don't affect her upper torso. Is that how they're supposed to be?

Quote - ...and apparently I've just downloaded and installed it. Funny how these things seem to work, huh? :P

edit - The new poses don't affect her upper torso. Is that how they're supposed to be?

Sit, sit2 and split are legs and hips only, "hands behind head" and "hands on breasts" are arms only. The rest should be full body, if I recall correctly.

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kool mesh

Meh. I shouldda waited. I just did a character morph off the previous one.

Quote - Meh. I shouldda waited. I just did a character morph off the previous one.

Shouldn't  be a problem. If you want, I'll convert it for you.

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kool mesh

Thanks!

Hope to have some time to run her through DAZ Studio 3.  Thanks so much.  Your amazing work is an inspiration!!   

Wow, I totally missed this thread. Those images look really cool, she looks like a great figure. Could a kind soul take pity on poor lil me and post the link for the beta? Unless it's not public yet.

Quote - Wow, I totally missed this thread. Those images look really cool, she looks like a great figure. Could a kind soul take pity on poor lil me and post the link for the beta? Unless it's not public yet.

click on the homepage link of odf and after on Artist input

 Awesome work odf!  I'm playing with her now in Poser and will try her later in Carrara.

hey, that's looks pretty good Believable3D!!    Makeup's a dead giveaway and that nice arched eyebrow but the body is very boyish to be sure!!

Quote - hey, that's looks pretty good Believable3D!!    Makeup's a dead giveaway and that nice arched eyebrow but the body is very boyish to be sure!!

Thanks, RamWolff. I think the head shape itself is pretty much where it needs to be, but the texture is obviously betraying it. I'll perhaps make some alt textures that go with the set (can't remember whose it is offhand - BluEcho's, I think) that will change the eyebrows and lips to something more masculine.

Unfortunately, it's a long time since I did a morph for Antonia... I think at one point I had it figured out, but right now what I have isn't properly distributable. Antonio is kind of acting for Antonia's body - I used an odd script I think. So I'm having difficulties getting a proper Cr2. I did the sculpting in Argile, then did some additional scaling in Poser itself.

Great!

Also the new shape works fine with the body morphs, I found some things that have to be fixed a little bit but, really nice.

Just a little bet less on the outer hip and a little bit more on the love handles and I think you're there (men have a more developed muscle where the love handles lie). Her legs need to be a little less shapely too ;o).

Laurie

 WOW!  Great work!  A completely natural skin tone would look best with that boyish look.  I thought we had one somewhere?  I guess not.  That's a NEEDED then!  If I wasn't as busy as a one legged man at a butt-kicking contest, I'd try. :laugh:

Thanks, Laurie. Those kind of hips are pretty common on men, but I actually just finished doing a little bit more sculpting, including bringing them down a bit further. I also tried to make the abdomen a bit more manly - that particular way the belly line was protruding didn't quite look masculine to me.

I'll hack away and try to post something further, but I've got a busy day, so we'll see.

OMG, that's so so original!  :lol:

So how do you like Argile?? 

LOL, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. :-p Does he look too much like M4? (If so, the resemblance is completely unintentional.)

I quite like Argile, mostly because I get lost in the "real" 3D apps like Blender, Wings etc. I just don't know where to begin. With Argile, I was up and running in a couple minutes the first time I opened it up - very intuitive, although I'm sure it's not as powerful as the big boys.

I keep watching that app.  Does seem very simple and easy to use.  So you can paint and do morphs in it as well or what's the deal with it??

I wasn't being sarcastic hon, I was just laughing with you on your choice for the name.  Seems like the right name.  I know a couple of real life folks that have gone through the change.  One from female to male and the other from male to female.  Both had names that were pretty interchangeable between either sex...

Nope, not like M4 to me.  I just love that nose Antonia/Antonio.   Nice nose.  I got a bit of a schnoz on me too! 

It's a real nose...lol. Not a mini ski slope ;o).

Laurie

Yup, Love love love that!!

That looks really great, Believable3D. The only thing I didn't find entirely convincing in the first version was the position of the nipples. The new version might need some work in the chest area as well. But impressive work, overall. I have a thing for androgyny and didn't mind the makeup or the arching eyebrows at all, by the way. :laugh:

Oh, and he doesn't need male genitals. From what I hear,  the typical thing for trans-men is to get the hormones and the chest reconstruction surgery and keep their original bits intact because 'the operation' really isn't all that appealing, apparently. Why should Antonio be better off? 

Nice shot, PapaBlueMarlin! Gotta love dynamic cloth.

(Note to self: now that the thighs bend properly, make some less pornographic poses for a change. :lol:)

That's just lovely PBM!  Man she's pretty!! 

RAMWolff: Eh, yeah, I see what your "original" comment was driving at now. I'm a little thick.

I actually like the way this morph turned out better than my previous one, even though when I first opened up the new Antonia and started sculpting, it seemed like she was harder to sculpt than the previous iteration. I guess I just needed to get used to the subtle differences. I think I did manage to get the chest area a bit better, especially around the nipples.

odf: Heh. I wasn't attempting to create a transgendered character, just a male counterpart. This version, I think, is a bit more convincing in most respects. I'm not a modeller, though, and this was pretty ambitious by my standards. I enjoy sculpting faces, and to some degree bodies... but that's never involved changing the gender before.

I did finally get pmd to work for the morph, but for some reason the resulting morph ends up with those "magnet balls" (I'm so good with technical terms LOL) visible in the render.

I'd send you the .obj file, except that I've got a bit of an issue with the underarms (no surprise, given the twin facts that I don't have a clue what I'm doing, and also made the chest considerably larger) - though in truth I think it looks worse in preview than in render. At least at his angle; I'd need to test more angles/positions.

You mention the chest could use some work. What do you suggest?

I should probably work on these fixes before I finalize a morph. If you have any tips for how to accomplish moving the shoulders outward while using the default pose would be appreciated. I suppose I could lower the arms (in Poser), hide them and try to morph the shoulders that way, but I have very little experience with Poser's own morphing tools.

PapaBlueMarlin: That's a great render!

One other thing I should mention: I noticed that Antonia's teeth are still not "tied" to her jaw. Open her mouth wide, and you can see the bottom of her bottom teeth. Something still needs to be done about that!

Suggestion from when folks would advise me about exporting.  Is there a way to make the balls invisible before you export??  My thinking is that programs will ignore parts that are turned off or made invisible.  Might give that a go if you can.  he's looking very good. 

Quote - One other thing I should mention: I noticed that Antonia's teeth are still not "tied" to her jaw. Open her mouth wide, and you can see the bottom of her bottom teeth. Something still needs to be done about that!

Yep! Sorry about that. I'll see if I can insert the dependency via a pose file, so I don't have to upload a whole new cr2.

As for Antonio: could you show a frontal or semi-frontal view of his whole chest? It's a bit hard to judge from what I've seen so far.

Changing the x-scale of the chest might help widen it without compromising the bends, but I'm not completely sure of that. Some people say scaling body parts is evil, but I don't see how else one would go about changing a figure's proportions while keeping the rig intact.

PS: About the balls. Do the "handles off" and "handles don't render" poses still work on Antonio? They should.

RAMWolff, when doing FBMs, I don't export from Poser, as a rule. I work from a copy of the original .obj.

odf, sure. I've been doing renders of the head, so will do his chest next.

I hadn't needed to use a pose injection to have handles invisible for Antonia renders before, IIRC. So I didn't think to look for them. Will check now.

Am rendering the chest now. I do see that I have a "flat spot" to the insides of the breast area, so that's something I'll need to work on.

Believable3D: Those head shots look fantastic. One little thing I've noticed though is that in the side view the angle of the forehead is too steep for a male. It should angle backwards towards the top of the head. Another thing that seems a little odd, although not particularly gender-specific, is the almost straight line from the lower lip to the chin. I think there should be at least a little bit of an indentation there.

Quote - Okay, here it's clear there's a bit more work to get this to be perfect. The upper part of the breast area is still a wee bit too rounded. And in the arms raised render, you can see that the mesh doesn't like the larger collar and shoulders. I'm really not sure how to fix that.

Well, the shoulder bends need some serious work, anyway. If you let me have the morphs, I'll try to accommodate Antonio's shape when I fix them.

I think the chest looks much better now, even with the roundedness. I'd also reduce the size of the areolae and maybe move the nipples a tiny bit more inward.

Oh, and the arms up pose doesn't look so bad. I think the main problem here is that the collar bones stay fixed. Is that my arms up pose? If so, I did a bad job on it.

Thanks for the comments, odf. The straightness below the mouth is a bit exaggerated with the slight angle of the render; on a strict side view, there's a little bit of curvature. But not much. I may have overdone it a bit when I was getting rid of Antonia's protruding lips.

I'll try to look at some reference photos. I've never noticed that women's foreheads are different from men's, although there are certainly a variety of slopes overall. Not being sufficiently observant, maybe.

I think in part it is because the brows tend to protrude more in men. I never noticed that about the foreheads either, until I read about it, and then it became really obvious. :laugh:

PS: I keep editing my comments while you're already replying, which is probably a bad idea. So I'll try not to do that anymore.

Good idea with the areolae. We'll see if my skils are up to that. :-p

I think the nipples look wrong because there's still a bit of an outward angle there. My own nipples are further outward than Antonio's, but I think they're pointing more directly forward, though not by a lot. I've still got too much roundness on the side of his breast area; it should come forward and turn a bit more sharply.

Yeah, the arms up image is from the supplied pose.

I'll revisit that brow area and probably give it a bit more protrusion. I'll see from there what happens to the forehead.