Crash Crash Crash Crash Crash.  In all things, Crash.

Yet, when I can squeeze out a test render, it's amazing.  So amazing, I can't bring myself to go back to Poser 7.

The solution?  Don't Play.

Too frustrating; too much time lost.

Thanks, Poser 8!

I feel you. My Poser 8 crashes ALL the time. Doing anything, refreshing a library, applying a pose, looking at the screen cross eyed, KABOOM. And my pc is way more than adequate to run it. I hope they get it fixed soon, it's very frustrating :-)

-Sarah

Sigh, yes, it certainly is.  I feel a long poser hiatus coming on :(

This shouldn't be a problem, as my creativity has been on Hiatus since Poser 5!

The past few weeks I have really been wondering why they keep beating the dead horse called poser.  When I first came upon it, it was my introduction to 3D and I was quite excited, but that has really gone the complete other way now as I see how much of my life poser has wasted with slow render times, crashes, bugs, and the like. 

Does anyone really test this stuff before release?  It really does not seem like it.  When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong. True, Max is in another category of program, and is obviously engineered to another level, but the way I see it a more consumer based program should be lighter on resources than a pro level program.  Poser has eaten a lot of my life, and more often than not in an unproductive and frustrating way, why do they keep making this program, to torment us?

IDL- something I think all poser users have been chomping at the bit for- was this even tested?  For such a big feature it really seems almost an afterthought, they had to know that is what we were all waiting for.  On one hand I have had a couple of renders, though small, that I did using IDL that did look pretty good,  it seems not even worth using because of the artifacts and the memory leaks or whatever makes it tick, or should I say untick- I am not an expert in programming, but there is something very wrong with this aspect of firefly. 

The attraction for me and poser is the fairly priced readily available content, but when the program used to directly open and render that content is frankly junk it does not seem worth it anymore.  I have been learning Max, and it really seems like it would be faster with all of the poser bugs to just use max and fix all the materials, though that is a pain too, but I think a lesser one when you factor in the poser life waste.  I know Max and Poser are on completely different levels, but I guess thats my 10 cents.  I am kind of speechless that this was put out before further development and refinement.

So, I ordered an new quad core laptop with more memory, which should help some, but whatever poser is junky and I am realizing it more than ever now.

Will they fix things somewhat with a service release, probably, but this is a horrible initial program release.

Quote -  but this is a horrible initial program release.

You should've seen the forums upon the release of Poser 5. It worked well for me; I can't say the same for others.

Well said.  I don't mean to bash, just air my frustrations, but there are so many it just sounds like bashing at this point.  The funny thing is, this program must've worked well for a bunch of people...how is this possible?

Quote - When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong.

Sure there is - the price tag (1/27th of 3ds Max).  I bet if Smith Micro's Poser team had an operating budget in line with Autodesk's you'd see a vastly more advanced app.  You'd pay for it too.

Quote - funny thing is, this program must've worked well for a bunch of people...how is this possible?

TBH a lot of people don't push it very hard.  No comment on the testing process, I'm just talking about what you've seen in the forum so far.

I agree with William, it's a miracle when i can achieve a complete scene without crashing ! It seem we're back to poser 6 ...

May be SM would have release a big SR4 for poser 7 instead an immature poser 8 ...

129 $ in the trash ...

(BIG FRUSTRATION)

Yep! I'm currently rendering an 801 frame animation in Poser 6 because Poser 8 was leaking memory like a sieve and kept crashing! First at 75 frames then at 390! The size of memory it was consuming at those frames was more than my system could take and yet Poser 6 is still chugging along find at just under half a gig of system memory for the same animation! Slow? Hell yes! But it's not crashing! Come on SR1!!!

So what have the people experiencing a lot of crashing tried doing to diagnose the cause of the problem ?

The simplest thing is to switch to SReeD preview to see if that helps, if it does you need to adjust some of the OpenGL preview settings, adjust graphics driver settings, update your graphics drivers or some combination of these.

If you can't stabilise P8 after that, put in a problem report to SM.

ScreeD :-)
I use ScreeD a lot, mainly because it speeds up the display. I use an old Nvidia card that is rock solid in Open GL, but slow.
With P8 I had to make sure the program opens in OpenGL by setting Poser.ini to read-only.
For me, if the program launches in ScreeD, it will freeze if I select a 3 or 4 port view.
If it launches in OpenGL, I can switch to ScreeD and it will work normally.
Gone back to Poser Pro for now, I do miss morphing across body parts, but not enough to put up with losing 15 minutes worth of work here, a half hour there, etc.

The most recent exemple ... I let poser in the background, no render just the pose room, i'm burning a dvd when a popup wake me saying a poser error, but i didnt use poser, it sleep in the background !!! Even not working it crash ... Mamamia ...

Sure is there most important think than the library ui to resolve !

The world is very strange ...

To answer to nruddock, sreed or opengl it's a big lag ( nvidia 9500 gt, drivers 190.62 )

Where is poser 4 lollllllllllllllllllllllll ?

[quote... it sleep in the background !!!Even though you can't see it, the new library part of the GUI is constantly checking if anything has changed.

When burning DVDs etc. its always been a good idea to shutdown anything you're not using.
You might want to review everything else that's running in the background to be sure you do need it.

Have you tried adjusting any of the driver settings ?
Specifically, set "Theaded Optimization" to Off, and select "Allow Application to choose".

Quote - So what have the people experiencing a lot of crashing tried doing to diagnose the cause of the problem ?

The simplest thing is to switch to SReeD preview to see if that helps, if it does you need to adjust some of the OpenGL preview settings, adjust graphics driver settings, update your graphics drivers or some combination of these.

If you can't stabilise P8 after that, put in a problem report to SM.

No offense Nancy, but I'm not paid to send in bug reports. I am using SReeD and threaded optimisation is off and I have the latest video drivers for my card. The ship, she still leaks. When al else fails me, Poser 6 is still my tried and true friend when it comes to making long animation renders.

 Well.. none of us are *paid to send in bug reports" - but if we just bitch about the bugs here.. how on earth will the be solved?

There are issues in Poser 8 that makes me wonder if they had any international testers.. but at the same time I know that Stewer is from Germany, so.. Still.. WHY the comma doesn't work as a decimal point is at the moment a major PITA, I'm always using the numerical keyboard for entering numbers and now I have to use the bloody puctuation mark, which is NOT on the numerical keyboard... (at least not here.. Dunno about the 'Merkan setups?)

And of course the render engine should have been fixed from the release. It's great that it's a "whole new expirience" after SR1, but really.. it should have been so from the start.

Still, I'm one of the lucky people who has so far had very little problems with Poser 8. I found a new bug last night and reported it. but I DO have all the previous versions until it's fixed. And 99.5% of everything works just fine here. 

Yes, I've had Poser crash, but no more than any other program I have.

But I keep my drivers updated, and I don't have Norton or any other virus programs to mess up things either.

As far as I know it's still not a month since Poser 8 was released. So if you guys hate it so, then GET A REFUND!

I don't want a refund, I want it to work at least as good as Poser 7 but with neat new features, you see?

Quote - > Quote - When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong.

Sure there is - the price tag (1/27th of 3ds Max).  I bet if Smith Micro's Poser team had an operating budget in line with Autodesk's you'd see a vastly more advanced app.  You'd pay for it too.

I am fully aware of this, you missed my point- as I stated, yes Max has a huge budget, and obviously better engineers, but really read it again- the way I look at it a consumer app should be less resource intensive than a pro app and that is a fact that you can't argue- consumers more often than not have less of a machine than pros so by default the consumer app should be lighter on resources.

Quote - I don't want a refund, I want it to work at least as good as Poser 7 but with neat new features, you see?

Yes. And I feel your pain.

All I'm saying is there is SOMETHING which isn't necessarily Poser's fault that makes it unstable on some computers. Otherwise we would all have the same problems. And we don't.

When Video drivers have been checked and updated and when people are sure they are not running Norton, and they do have administrator rights and aren't blocking Poser from communicating with itself - and there's still a problem, THEN it is probably a bug. But it's not really Poser's fault if someone (not you of course) tries to run this on a 486 with an onboard vga video card... (OK this is of course exaggerated but you get the point I hope? :) )

otherworldpro:

In other words, you're saying a consumer app should not have GI.

Well, I for one can not really complain.

installed it in Windows XP Home, had some minor things, but nothing drastic.

Then I went to Windows 7 RC1, installed, and worked.

Only thnings i'v had:

Faceroom keeps asking for the foto again, when everything is done, and you "apply to".
Had one complete crash, using the Morph tool. But, neither I not SM can reproduce it.

Major problem seems to be in the material room, when trying older PZ3's if not all textures are correctly transferred from a previous version to P8.

So far I submitted about 10 tickets,
2 for crashes, and 8 for improvements.

So far, the best solutions seem.
Update video drivers.
Reboot afeter first install.
Be sure all textures are in their correct folders.

2 things that could be improved upon:

1. release before completely understanding all the details of the IDL. Discussions we see here
2. i would use a little more "very active"  beta testers, just to be on the safe side, and understand the IDL completely.

2 briljant things.

1. great models with a lot of morphs

2. fantastic to include the very usable Low Res versions.

A fault, that it is so hard to copy morphs from the low to the hig res versions.(Still do not know how it can be done even if the poly count is correct, and poser imports the morph without a glitch.

All in all, a very good base, and with a well tested SR1, a welcome improvement.

I feel your pain...  I have been using poser since Poser 5, but lately, not so much.  I think the big thing that turned me off in poser (besides having the most non-intuitive interface in history), was the old library structure and system.  It took forever to find anything.  Then Advanced Library for Poser came out and along with the remote procedure call python script, made it usable again by bypassing the Poser library.  But it still lacked an easy to use interfacew.  Now, before I started using Poser, I worked in a program called Ray Dream Studio.  It had a great interface and was extremely powerful for it's day, and especially at it's price.  Ray Dream eventually turned into Carrara studio, then eventually Daz Carrara 7 Pro.  Now, I can do just about everything I could do in Poser, in Carrara.  It was much easier to use, and it had functionality that Poser simply did not.Now I keep Poser 7 around for those just in case scenarios...

I was thinking of purchasing Poser 8 to see if it has improved at all, but after reading some of the posts regarding stability and other issues with it, I am giving it a second thought.  I really don't know if I can justify the expense on a new package that may or may not work correctly, when I have an application which I know DOES work correctly.

I think I will wait and see if it improves with the inevitable first patch.  Until then, I will just use Carrara and Poser 7.  I really thought Smith Micro would fix the numerous problems in Poser with Poser 8, btu it seems that once again, they have added new toys, without fixing the old ones which were broken.

Quote - The past few weeks I have really been wondering why they keep beating the dead horse called poser.  When I first came upon it, it was my introduction to 3D and I was quite excited, but that has really gone the complete other way now as I see how much of my life poser has wasted with slow render times, crashes, bugs, and the like. 

Does anyone really test this stuff before release?  It really does not seem like it.  When I can render in 1/16th the time (or even complete a render for that matter) in 3ds max using GI and Final gather there is really something wrong. True, Max is in another category of program, and is obviously engineered to another level, but the way I see it a more consumer based program should be lighter on resources than a pro level program.  Poser has eaten a lot of my life, and more often than not in an unproductive and frustrating way, why do they keep making this program, to torment us?

IDL- something I think all poser users have been chomping at the bit for- was this even tested?  For such a big feature it really seems almost an afterthought, they had to know that is what we were all waiting for.  On one hand I have had a couple of renders, though small, that I did using IDL that did look pretty good,  it seems not even worth using because of the artifacts and the memory leaks or whatever makes it tick, or should I say untick- I am not an expert in programming, but there is something very wrong with this aspect of firefly. 

The attraction for me and poser is the fairly priced readily available content, but when the program used to directly open and render that content is frankly junk it does not seem worth it anymore.  I have been learning Max, and it really seems like it would be faster with all of the poser bugs to just use max and fix all the materials, though that is a pain too, but I think a lesser one when you factor in the poser life waste.  I know Max and Poser are on completely different levels, but I guess thats my 10 cents.  I am kind of speechless that this was put out before further development and refinement.

So, I ordered an new quad core laptop with more memory, which should help some, but whatever poser is junky and I am realizing it more than ever now.

Will they fix things somewhat with a service release, probably, but this is a horrible initial program release.

I feel left out-my problems have been minimal.  I'm using XP Pro with IE6 on a core Duo laptop with 2GB,  and the only real difficulty I've had thus far was when I doing a GI render with a transmapped hair, and I forgot to turn off shadows for the hair.   I though it had hung, but it eventually finished rendering.

I hope you get your setup straightened out, Bloody Bill.

My problems have been minimal also.

I kinda wish they weren't so that I could help squash more bugs.  It was tested before release and I really don't think that anyone in the testing cycle was wishing that it would fail - everyone there is volunteering to try to make sure it all works properly.

Specific bugs can be hard to find and it depends on how someone is using the program - I'm not particularly adept in doing animations so I'm not using that feature often and not going to find any bugs with a 200 frame animation.

I am, however, trying to do things that I don't normally just to see if I can find errors.

General, basic problems are things that aren't happening here.  I haven't had a single flex library error.  Just about every python script I run that I used in Poser 7 is working.  I haven't had any serious render issues.  I have had high IDL calculation times but it's probably when I didn't really know what settings to use and I pushed it with lots of transparencies (like hair) - normally it's rather quick for what it's doing.

Stuff like Poser imploding... I'm not getting that.

As others have said, things to check for (windows):

• Updated graphics drivers.

• Make sure flash is installed.

• Make sure you have the Microsoft Visual C++ Runtimes 2008 version.  You want x86 and if you are on 64 bit also install x64 (not sure if installing both matters but I did).

• Programs running in the background.  Though I do have several odd things running (Filebox Extender, Winroll, Taskbar Shuffle, etc) with no issues.

I'm staying away from Poser 8. Poser 7 is FINALLY working with minimal crashes since I
installed SR3. I'm not going through THAT mess again with a new version. Between P7 and
DS3, I can generally do what I need, and with Vue6Pro and Modo 4, I don't really need anything
else, even if my pocketbook could afford it. :) But P7 was so bad with crashing on everything I
tried to do, that I gave up, until SR3 was released.

Poser 8 seems to be going the same way. Basically, I sometimes think that WE are their beta
testers, and I quit.

Eric
 

Well for me, Poser 8 has been the best thing since sliced bread. Hope you all get your problems fixed!

I'm not crashing with P8 Mac on an 8-core Mac Pro... except sometimes when I'm foolish enough to step outside Poser to check my email or something. Then it might crash. Poser does not like you to be unfaithful and look at other women when you're with her! This is true with P7 Mac as well.

But no crashes while rendering or working within the program. Maybe the PC version is more buggy that way, due to wonky video drivers and whatnot.

My frustrations with P8 have to do with the interface and the library. I love how all the panels can be rearranged and docked to have a more efficient workspace. But the price of that is that everything is now too damn small. The text, the buttons, the icons, everything has been shrunk to create more screen real estate for the main preview and render windows.

The flaw with the tiny library icons has been well discussed and will be addressed, though I wish that patch would come out soon. But also, the scroll bar in the library is so narrow has to be difficult to grasp with the mouse. Which is a problem in a library that forces you to do so much manual scrolling. AND the library does not see everything in a folder. Refreshing changes how many items can be seen, but in large folders you still don't get everything. The number of items revealed on each refresh  seems to be random.

These issues force me to most of my work in P7, switching to P8 for its very quick renders on the final hi-res product. I don't like that because the windows get resized and there are "error" messages about unexpected version numbers, but with its out-of-the-gate flaws P8 really leaves me no choice.

Quote -  As far as I know it's still not a month since Poser 8 was released. So if you guys hate it so, then GET A REFUND!

 
TG, did I say I hated it? No I said it has a probelm with memory leaks in long animations. It should not be creeping up to eat the entirety of my system memory to render an animation. Poser is is currently rendering that 801 frame animation and hasn't gone over 600,000K of ram! Poser 8? Well it crept up to over 2 gigs and then crapped out.

As for me reporting anything? I sincerely doubt that they care to hear from me. I'll just wait for SR1 and hope it's fixed. If not SR1, then SR2. Other than the problem with memory leaks in long animations I don't have any other problems with P8 for now.

BB, I am totally for GI, read the thread- all poser users have been waiting for GI, that is the biggest feature, but I think Greywolf Starkiller said it best:

Quote -

Basically, I sometimes think that WE are their beta
testers, and I quit.

 

" LostinSpaceman" ,
sure you should  make a ticket for it.
With the most details you can put into it.
How will they ever fix it?

Tickets are the fuel to improve.
No fuel, no drive ! !

No you never said you hated it. It's just the general ..er.. vibe.. in these threads. It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.. I just know that if I had bought a program and was unable to use it, I would demand a refund instead of lamenting over how much money I'd poured down the drain.

I agree there is a memory leak present in Poser 8 (as in any previous version btw) - I've seen it myself. And if you just let Poser sit and check the task manager it's slowly eating up more and more memory...

That said.. the animation you're doing.. are you rendering that as separate files or as a movie? I've always rendered to separate files.. seems to work best (unless we're talking a 60 frame microscopic thing, and even then I prefer to have it as separate frames)

And of course SM will listen to you. As much as to anyone else. They're not looking at your name to see if it's someone they like. They're looking at the serial number to see that it's a paying customer. :)

Quote - BB, I am totally for GI, read the thread- all poser users have been waiting for GI, that is the biggest feature...

That doesn't make any sense, if you think the consumer app should take less resources to run (which you said earlier).  GI is an extremely compute-intensive feature.

As I'm working on different PC's and Laptops I installed P 8 on an external HD. No probs with crashes until now and I use it on Systems from P4 with 512 MB up to Dual Core with 4 GB. The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

Quote - > Quote - BB, I am totally for GI, read the thread- all poser users have been waiting for GI, that is the biggest feature...

That doesn't make any sense, if you think the consumer app should take less resources to run (which you said earlier).  GI is an extremely compute-intensive feature.

Yeah, that's what prompted my comment. GI introduces more CPU use than any other Poser rendering feature.

I've had problems, but they were due to a major conflict between my firewall and Poser 8. Once that was sorted out, P8 ran well, very well. Except for the library, it's still giving me problems, but I've just switched it off and use an external one, eXtended Library, that one works great.

But.... I must confess I do not have the latests drivers and updates installed at all. My WindowsXP isn't up to date at all, my gfx card drivers aren't the most recent ones either. Why not? Simply because they do work well. My machine runs great and why risk problems by updating. I'm pretty sure that most people experiencing problems with P8 have everything nice and neatly up to date, since that's the first advice given and still P8 is a mess for them. Why fix something that isn't broken?

I'm sure that the Poser testing team is doing their best, but as with every testing team they're limited in what they can do. I'm still convinced that the testing team doesn't reflect the community at all, nor do they really push a new release as much as should be done. I don't blame them for that, it's almost impossible with such a differce community of users.

For those of you with numerous crashes, as I have had, report them to the tech support and they will help you to indentify what is causing the problems. It's most likely a conflcit between Poser and some other application and then it can be solved. If you don't report it, no one can fix it either. But.... don't buy into every advice they give you, some they gave me were a bit off the wall and I didn't follow those leads since it wasn't part of the problem at all. In the end the main problem was solved due to me actively working together with them. I quickly identified that the problem was either the firewall or the anti-virus and we focussed on that, the problem was solved in no time.

Quote - The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

Yu can set the preferred tool in your preferences. Select the translate tool and click "save state (or whatever it's called in the preferences where you chose between launch to preferred state and launch to factory state :) (I'm rendering now so I can't just check)

Same as getting rid of Andy - although he's cute. I prefer to start with a blank scene.

Quote - No you never said you hated it. It's just the general ..er.. vibe.. in these threads. It wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.. I just know that if I had bought a program and was unable to use it, I would demand a refund instead of lamenting over how much money I'd poured down the drain.

I agree there is a memory leak present in Poser 8 (as in any previous version btw) - I've seen it myself. And if you just let Poser sit and check the task manager it's slowly eating up more and more memory...

That said.. the animation you're doing.. are you rendering that as separate files or as a movie? I've always rendered to separate files.. seems to work best (unless we're talking a 60 frame microscopic thing, and even then I prefer to have it as separate frames)

And of course SM will listen to you. As much as to anyone else. They're not looking at your name to see if it's someone they like. They're looking at the serial number to see that it's a paying customer. :)

Well except for this issue, I LOVE the new library and haven't had any of the issues with it that others have had. I haven't yet played with the new figures. Did a few play renders of GI, some simple some really complex. It's ok for still but there's just no way I'd try to make an animation in Poser 8 with IL turned on. At least not at this stage. I still love me my Poser 6, even though I have 7, 8 and Pro. It is my animation monster. It finished 401 (I forgot to set the end frame to 801, DOH!) of 801 frames and took about 3 times as long as Poser 8 did for the 390 frames it did before it chokes, but it did it without ever going over 1 gig of RAM.

For the most part, I love the new P8. I just hope they can stop up the leaks.

Has there been any word on the release date for P8 SR1? Someone somewhere said it has been released already, but I can't find it at Smith Micro's site.

Edit: never mind, stumbled upon the answer immediately after posting :-] Apparently it's not out yet, maybe this month.

I finally got Poser 8 and installed it.
Just a few problems:
Search through folders causes program to crash.
Ocasionally runs out of memory when going through folders.
parameter dials lock up on figure. (only occured once so far)
Item in folder didnt load onto screen from library.
Have updated the video card and flash player.
Have got the latest available update through SM
Still using it though.

Well, I've installed the newest nvidia drivers but haven't gotten into Poser yet.  I will fire it up tonight and see what's doin'

getting out of memory mesages now. think someone addressed that
earlier.

Quote -  Well.. none of us are *paid to send in bug reports" - but if we just bitch about the bugs here.. how on earth will the be solved?

There are issues in Poser 8 that makes me wonder if they had any international testers.. but at the same time I know that Stewer is from Germany, so.. Still.. WHY the comma doesn't work as a decimal point is at the moment a major PITA, I'm always using the numerical keyboard for entering numbers and now I have to use the bloody puctuation mark, which is NOT on the numerical keyboard... (at least not here.. Dunno about the 'Merkan setups?)

And of course the render engine should have been fixed from the release. It's great that it's a "whole new expirience" after SR1, but really.. it should have been so from the start.

Still, I'm one of the lucky people who has so far had very little problems with Poser 8. I found a new bug last night and reported it. but I DO have all the previous versions until it's fixed. And 99.5% of everything works just fine here. 

Yes, I've had Poser crash, but no more than any other program I have.

But I keep my drivers updated, and I don't have Norton or any other virus programs to mess up things either.

As far as I know it's still not a month since Poser 8 was released. So if you guys hate it so, then GET A REFUND!

Seriously, you realy think cause you've been a bug repport you dont find it in the sr release ? Please have the feet on ground !!!

If i send to SM " your engine is poor make a new" in the large line sure, you really think tomorrow we have the vray render in poser ? alway in the largest line ...

Sending bug repport is the only way to have a bad SR, why ? Too many bugs ... Is there a fact, poser 8 wasnt tested before selling ...

Regarding my post above and the library not showing all items in a folder, that appears to be an incompatibility with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard. The behavior in P8 doesn't exist in OS 10.5.

Reported to SM, but with all the bugs to address on the PC side I am not hopeful of a quick fix for a Mac-only issue.

*I've had problems, but they were due to a major conflict between my firewall and Poser 8. Once that was sorted out, P8 ran well, very well. Except for the library, it's still giving me problems, but I've just switched it off and use an external one, eXtended Library, that one works great. *

I'm having lot's of problems with my firewall and other programs. Out of curiosity, what whoud be a good firewall/antivirus program that doesn't mess with Poser? 

Attached Link: http://www.comodo.com/

My vote goes to Comodo.  There is a comodo firewall-only but if you need the whole shebang (antivirus, malware, firewall), there's also comodo internet security.

Also supports 64-bit OS, PC.

Thanks. I'm going to give it a try. 

Quote - > Quote - The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

Yu can set the preferred tool in your preferences. Select the translate tool and click "save state (or whatever it's called in the preferences where you chose between launch to preferred state and launch to factory state :) (I'm rendering now so I can't just check)

Same as getting rid of Andy - although he's cute. I prefer to start with a blank scene.

Trekkie, this was of course the first thing I tried. Doesn't work. Goes back to the default rotate tool on next launch. This apparently is not one of things saved when you set a new preferred state.

You know, I have Vue Infinite.  Great rendering program,  Decent animation.

I can't count the number of times it has crashed on me.  And yet, the number of people screaming about how simply awful it is seems minimal compared to the massive amount of pure, unbridled angst I keep seeing with Poser.

 Yep. And it tends to be the same people with each and every release. For both apps. You'd think they would get tired of the histrionics and move on to other things......

Well I am having a wonderful time with P8. A few hiccups to start with but all smooth sailing now.

All the whailing seemed strange to me, I got curious and installed P8 onto all three of my computers, all different setups, and P8 works fine on all of them. ( I know I cant keep it on all three just testing.) Had a couple of crashes on the gateway but no more than photoshop does on a regular basis.

hmmm............

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - The minor things I have like the rotate tool as default tool is a mess, I reported to SM.

With P7 I had more probs without SR1.

Yu can set the preferred tool in your preferences. Select the translate tool and click "save state (or whatever it's called in the preferences where you chose between launch to preferred state and launch to factory state :) (I'm rendering now so I can't just check)

Same as getting rid of Andy - although he's cute. I prefer to start with a blank scene.

Trekkie, this was of course the first thing I tried. Doesn't work. Goes back to the default rotate tool on next launch. This apparently is not one of things saved when you set a new preferred state.

Sorry. I must admit I hadn't actually tried it myself. And yes, it annoys me, too that it's the rotate tool that is the default. But I'm pretty sure it was in Poser 7 as well and I managed to change it to the Translate tool there, so perhaps it's just something that isn't properly written into the .ini (then again.. apparently I have no Poser.ini at all.. at least I can't find it, but that has a thread of its own L)

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Seriously, you realy think cause you've been a bug repport you dont find it in the sr release ? Please have the feet on ground !!!

If i send to SM " your engine is poor make a new" in the large line sure, you really think tomorrow we have the vray render in poser ? alway in the largest line ...

Sending bug repport is the only way to have a bad SR, why ? Too many bugs ... Is there a fact, poser 8 wasnt tested before selling ... 

Sorry. I know it's a language barrier problem but I simply can't make heads or tails of what you're saying here.

Are you saying that we shouldn't report bugs because SM won't listen anyway and it will make the SR buggy? And are you implying that Poser 8 wasn't tested before release. Both are LIES. And stupid ones at that.

I hope I misunderstood you.