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Subject: Latest P8 Skin Shader - Opinions?


Iuvenis_Scriptor ( ) posted Fri, 13 November 2009 at 6:14 PM · edited Tue, 30 July 2024 at 7:32 PM

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After the latest tweaks to my skin shader, I decided to post some samples again in hopes of getting some useful feedback.  This time, I'm using a Vittorio character as my guinea pig.  I'd greatly appreciate your honest opinions, here, so please don't be shy!  As always, the goal is optimal realism.


TrekkieGrrrl ( ) posted Fri, 13 November 2009 at 7:54 PM

 It's a little on the red side IMO. Not much but he looks like he is kinda flustered :)

Also, and I don't know if they're part of it, the eyes are too glossy, they're like marbles or something.

Other than that? YUM! Good job!

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Lucifer_The_Dark ( ) posted Sat, 14 November 2009 at 4:09 AM

I think the eyes apart from looking a little glassy are a bit pink in the Whites, like he's got a mild conjunctivitis or allergic reaction to a pet. He does look like he's blushing as well. Bloomin good work on it though.

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replicand ( ) posted Sat, 14 November 2009 at 9:22 AM

 The redness seems to be centered around the face and not so much on the scalp / side / back of the head. I agree with LTD, the eyes looks like marbles. Overall it's looking good so far. Keep pushing.


Believable3D ( ) posted Sat, 14 November 2009 at 4:09 PM

Skin-wise: This is by far the best I've seen from you, IMO.

The eyes do continue to need work, and the space between mouth and chin seems rather exaggerated, although the lips don't look quite as unnatural to me as other characters I've seen of yours. I definitely think you're making progress.

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Iuvenis_Scriptor ( ) posted Sat, 14 November 2009 at 8:18 PM

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Thanks, folks!  Let me tackle the eyes first.  Do you see any improvement here?


Lucifer_The_Dark ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 3:44 AM

Yep the reflection isn't as strong where the light doesn't hit it them straight on, I just spent a few minutes studying my eyes in a mirror with 2 different light sources at once, the Window with blue sunny sky outside & the PC screen, both looked very similar to what you've got there with the pc screen being the softest light.

They still look a little pink in the Whites but looking at mine right now they've got a bit of pink in them as well, it's early morning. ;)

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Anthanasius ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 4:20 AM

At RDNA Bagginsbill post a shader for the v3eyes why do not use it ?
You can also use the bbeye shader ( look at the Antonia thread )

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Anthanasius ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:16 AM · edited Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:16 AM

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Here is a close up bbeye shader not the prop from Antonia applied to V4

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Lucifer_The_Dark ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:26 AM

I think the idea might be to have an alternative to bagginsbill's shader. Variety is the spice of life afterall. :biggrin:

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Anthanasius ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:34 AM

I agree, i send that just for idea :-)

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Lucifer_The_Dark ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:38 AM

Looking at the BB shader again, the eyes look wrong in that as well, the reflection isn't strong enough for the amount of light on the face, look at the shadow on the teeth, very sharp edge to it that means, to me, strong light but the reflection is very faint.

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Anthanasius ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:59 AM

Lol i dont work on the teeth !

Look at your eyes on a mirror, it's not a chrome reflexion !

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Lucifer_The_Dark ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 6:26 AM

I wish I could get my webcam to work so I could show you my eyes, the reflection from the window is very clear thanks to the strong light coming in & the light from the pc monitor is blurry, the reflection is just like the one Iuvenis has in the second example without the pink tint. ;)

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mackis3D ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:27 PM

Anthanasisus, the skin looks like it's stage makeup for an old woman. Even though I think you wanted a dramtic appearance, considering the lips and the eyeliner, I think the surface of the skin got a bit too much of it. :-)

Iuvens, great skin, I think it's right. If you have a script for it, I would use it.


Anthanasius ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 5:48 PM

It's VSS ...

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mackis3D ( ) posted Sun, 15 November 2009 at 6:31 PM

Quote - It's VSS ...

I use them too. Did you change something about the subsurfacescattering (SSS - it should be 0.3 instead of 1.0 in Poser8)  or had the skin mats high displacements?


Anthanasius ( ) posted Mon, 16 November 2009 at 2:53 AM

In this picture i've not work on the light or the skin surface i've just posted it to show the eyes nothing else

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Iuvenis_Scriptor ( ) posted Mon, 16 November 2009 at 3:06 PM

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I think the issue with Anasthasius' sample is the bump or displacement.  It's way too high.  Crank it down, and it'd probably look great!

Anyway, here's a frontal close-up for further scrutiny if you feel so inclined.  I'm going to take a hard look at the redness several of you are seeing.  It might be as simple as tweaking the maps.

I don't know how to do scripting, but I may make a pack of MT5 presets that you can plug your own maps into. 


santicor ( ) posted Mon, 16 November 2009 at 3:24 PM

what  is the lighting for these sample images of your shader, Iuvenis




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Iuvenis_Scriptor ( ) posted Mon, 16 November 2009 at 3:31 PM

It's just a three-point setup.  One main spotlight, one fill spotlight, and one rim spotlight.


3dactor ( ) posted Mon, 16 November 2009 at 5:33 PM

 **Iuvenis_Scriptor, so you mention shader. that skin isn't all procedural is it? there is a texture map in there  as well right?

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Iuvenis_Scriptor ( ) posted Mon, 16 November 2009 at 5:53 PM

Yes.  The diffuse texture map is used to derive everything else.


Iuvenis_Scriptor ( ) posted Tue, 01 December 2009 at 2:25 PM

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Here's an update, not to the shader itself but to the textures.  I finally decided to try revamping them, and this is the result.  The lips should at least look better, LOL!  Further comments are welcome!


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