One of the problems I have with a lot of the Poser clothing is that it looks painted on no matter what I do to it.  Is there a morph for the V4 bodysuit (or V3) that gives the appearance of material being stretched across the breasts? 
Also, anybody know of a good breast morph for the look of an athletic bra?
Please forgive my photoshoping, but it illustrates what I'm talking about.

Thanks,
xan

above I just quickly  loaded V4 and I put a smith micro Sydney G2  tank top  on her and stretched the top  over her boobs with a dynamic cloth sim.

If you  do not mind ending up  with a piece of dynamic clothing  instead of conforming - you  will prob get the best real  stretched look  for your characters dimensions  doing it in the cloth room.

this  might hug the shape of her breasts a little more than  you  are looking for ,  but all you have to  do is  tweak  the damping and air damping settings  ,   as I said, you  can  get many  different stretched looks.  if you  turn  down  the fold resistance and shear  resistance you  will  get nice  horizontal ripples  inbetween the breasts like the cloth is straining .

Thanks for your reply, santicor :)  I don't have a lot of experience using the cloth room, but I am trying a few tutorials that I've come across.  I guess I know just enough about poser to do a few things. 
I was hoping that somebody had a morph that would do roughly the same thing, because I'm struggling with the cloth room.  I've tried magnets, but with bad results.

xan

I see.  I understand - I wasn't sure if you  would find a good morph, so  i suggested cloth room.
Sorry  i  do  not own  the V4 body  suit or else i could make a good morph target for you ... using W3D and maybe cloth room. A morph target to  apply  to  it would preserve the clothes  as conforming, as that is what  you  are looking for.
Good luck.

S

Attached Link: http://www.morphography.uk.vu/dleztop.html

I think you're right. I'm pretty sure the V4 Bodysuit has this morph. Can't recall whether V4 has it herself, but probably.

The spandex morph is only available for V3, I'm shocked V4 doesn't have it, not even the Morph++, didn't find anything similar either. 

It's hard to see a great difference in the attached image, but there is.

I uploaded it to the Rendo Free area, it should be approved and posted soon.

I hope this proves useful to somebody.

If you want a sports bra item, the V4 basicwear has one.

Thanks imax24!, very needed for 2nd skins, and there are a lot out there.

The V4 Bodysuit chest spandex morph is better than my homemade one. But how to get it into Vicky? I tried isolating it -- deleting all morphs in the bodysuit except for that one and spawning an injection morph. But nothing happened when I injected it into Vicky. I confess I don't know everything about injected morphs, so can't explain why this doesn't work. Maybe only morphs that are created in V4 can be injected into V4.

I can 't see a chest spandex morph in the Basicwear sport bra or bikini top.

Your morph is the only way to get a spandex morph inside Vickie, you can't transfer the bodysuit one over. How did you do your morph? If it was with magnets, then you could save the magnet and then use that on different clothing items to make a spandex morph in the clothing.

I showed the bodysuit morph as that was what the original poster was asking about and mentioned the sports bra in case they wanted a clothing item rather than a morph, but if a morph is needed, yours looks fine.

I used P8's morphing tool to "sculpt" her breasts into a sort of smoothed, bridged chest. Then I deleted every morph in her body except for my spandex one and one of the unused PBM channels, in this case #11.  Then I used the free Spawn Character script to create the injection morph in Channel 11 and saved it to the Pose library.

This generated INJ and REM icons in the Pose Library (it doesn't generate PNGs, so I did a render to make my own). Since I deleted all other morphs before spawning the injection morph, the only thing it does to Vicky is add a spandex effect to her chest, which can be dialed to zero when unneeded.

It's usefulness is pretty much limited to the stock V4 chest. Make any change to her breasts, or use a morphed character, and the spandex morph starts to look either too little or too much. Sorry about that, it's the best I could do with my limited skills.

I can't imagine trying to do this with magnets. Sure, you could use magnets to drag her breasts together, sort of like the cleavage morph, but you can't use magnets to make a nice smooth bridge between them. At least, I don't know how.

Rendo seems to be up to their armpits (or breasts) in Christmas submissions for the free section, so it might be awhile before it posts.

Thanks everybody!
I'll give these things a try over the Holiday.
One day I'll figure out how to do my own morphs :)

xan

I can't imagine trying to do this with magnets. Sure, you could use magnets to drag her breasts together, sort of like the cleavage morph, but you can't use magnets to make a nice smooth bridge between them. At least, I don't know how.

It  can be done with  mags  but it would be an  incredible  amount of work  requiring an incredible amount of patience.

If you  told me i had to  do  it with mags  I would select body  part chest  and start  to  create sub polygon groups  zones  in  between  her boobs which  got progessively bigger and bigger until  you  got to  about the  5th or 6th material  zone  which  would have its outermost diameter at  her nipples.

Then i would create a series of magnets,  progressively applied  to  each  polygoon  group  as the groups get larger and larger - ( create magnet  and  apply the magnet zone to  the custom polygon groups) and pull the mag +Z

The real  answer  is not magnets - it is an outside modeling program  such  as W3D  where you  can manipulate single  verticies in  a very  hands-on fashion
Piece of cake -  I will  work on  one.

You  are interested in  V 4.2???

and what  boob morphs  do  you  want her boobs to  have  before the shirt gets put on ,

 or do  you want it for default  V4.2  boobs ???

Quote - The real  answer  is not magnets - it is an outside modeling program  such  as W3D  where you  can manipulate single  verticies in  a very  hands-on fashion
Piece of cake -  I will  work on  one.

That's exactly what I did with Poser 8's morph tool, which I admit is not the most precise or powerful tool to use on vertices. I'm sure my effort can be improved upon... go for it. I will be glad to trade mine for a better one. See if you can make it look like the one in V4 Bodysuit, as seen above.

By the way, I think there IS a way to get the Chest Spandex morph from the V4 Bodysuit into V4 herself, I just haven't figured it out. I am able to inject spawned morphs into Vicky, and was able to inject her with Chest Spandex... only nothing happens when the dial is put to 1.

your work above is awesome imax  i did not concentrate on  the thread enough to  realize  that  you  just  banged out a great  morph.

 as far  as the morph tool .....I am scared of the Poser morph tool

very  unstable IMO

crashes me in  P7  constantly.

BTW! .....

funny thing about V4.2s  chest  and abdomen  parts going in and out of W3D -  they come out of  W3d into  Poser transed up  on  Y axis  for some reason.

ca't use what  i did so far -

hmmm..

this is with an  original  export from  P7  competely zeroed, dropped to floor  etc.

that's weird.

BTW  if  you  could  bridge polys  in a modeling program  and keep  your poly count accurate for Poser - that would be a watershed discovery.

Cuz  what  them  hooters  need is to  be bridged.

Happy Thanksgivin  I am going to  work on a boob tshirt .....and get the stuffing prepped for tomorrow

Attached Link: My V4 chest spandex morph is up in the Free Section. Click this to go there.

But the real problem is that Vicky's vertices are kinda spaced out on her breasts (outside the nipple region) so it's hard to get exactly what you want with the morph tool, or to do really fine mesh work. Thus I can't re-create exactly what the V4 Body suit's spandex morph does.  It's painstaking, and not for everybody.

Still it's better than nothing if you don't want Vicky's 2nd-skin shirt to cling like paint to her in-between-breasts zone.

I realized that  in order to  create any  shape I want in a mesh  that is restrictive  (wont line up  edge loops  etcx the way  that I need  them) ,  i have to  push  the mesh  from  the inside out with an expansion type  cloth sim,  yes the dreaded cloth sim,,BUT- this way the object that  I end up  with can be a morph target  for a jointed actor.

hooray
this can  do  a lot -

I'm workin on  this "stretched shirt" morph for V4  chest   and the progress is good , and I have not at  all changed the general arrangement of the verticies.

But right now I have to  go  to bed I am  having guests for Turkey Day  tomorrow.

I had an epiphany, too. The reason that the V4 Bodysuit chest spandex morph does nothing when injected into Vicky is that they have different meshes. The bodysuit's mesh is finer, which allows for all those creases, folds and seams. So that morph is pushing and pulling extra vertices that don't exist in Vicky. Duh.

Now if it were possible to select part of Vicky and increase the vertices... Of course then any morph made from that would only work for the person with the altered Vicky.Useless to the general population. Never mind!

Good luck to Santicor in his pursuit of a better chest spandex. At the moment mine is adequate, but not that useful for boobs that are significantly blown up, deflated or moved around.

I think you could use Morphing Clothes to transfer the morph. Just load the catsuit as the character and V4 as the clothing.

There probably needs to be a separate morph (like the gravity morphs) for both V4 and her morphing clothes.  Something that creates a "shelf" where the cleavage can be modified.

Though the bodysuit chest spandex dial helps, it doesn't really behave like a real spandex top...especially with larger breast sizes. 
The best example I can give is what petercotton does with Power Girl.  I think he mostly uses A3, and he told me that a friend of his made a panel from the A3 frame, then he modifies each character with Maya.

http://petercotton.deviantart.com/art/Powergirl-Shiny-138388608

I would LOVE to know how to do this stuff on my own, but don't really know where to begin.  The funny thing with Poser is the more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

I'll just keep making anaglyphs as I learn how to do other things :)

xan

http://xanaman.deviantart.com/

petercotton made a cute powergirl ! -

here's mine :

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1931480&user_id=580115&np&np

That's awesome, santicor, and EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  The material is stretched straight across her breasts.  Not just a couple of lines across them hinting that there might be spandex there.

PowerGirl is certainly, uh, blessed by nature. And that is an awesome-fitting skintight outfit. But unless I'm confused, we were talking about how to get that spandex effect in Vicky so that 2nd skins appear to stretch across her chest. Most conforming tops already have it built in.

Hi imax24

In my original post, I wanted to know if there was a morph for the bodysuit that would give the effect of material being stretched across the chest.  The bodysuit comes with a chest spandex dial, but it never looks quite right, especially with larger breast sizes.
A good body morph for V4 (and others) would be much appreciated and is definitely a good idea since there are a lot of second skin textures out there, but I was originally asking about the bodysuit.  Of course, any help and input is much appreciated :)

thanks
xan
xanaman.deviantart.com

But unless I'm confused, we were talking about how to get that spandex effect in Vicky

Yeah  i went OT....   i was showing my  powergirl  based on  the SG2  base figure

nothing to  do with solving Xanaman's OP.

I just  showed it cuz the subject of Powergirl came up.

BTW  my  Powergirl suit  was done in  cloth room,   which  is  counter to  the morph discussion  we have been having - but once again -  cloth sim solves everything.

take it for what  you  will

so  this morning i made a morph for V4.2  that  looks like stretched fabric between  breasts -  but only it only works  on  the default breast shape -

someone mentioned this issue earlier in  the thread -

I guess a tight shirt  morph  could be made  for every" morphs ++" morph  individualy ,  with  said ++ morph set to "1"

I could make one for
"breasts large"
a diffeent one for "breasts implant"
a different one for  "breasts diameter",

etc.

and then  you  would have to  apply the "tight shirt" morph of  matching name
"tight shirt breasts large, or  "tight shirt breasts implant"    to  the same value as the size morph that you  have applied

this would be a clean, but tedious,  way  of always having  a good stretched shirt  morph avaiulable no matter your config of  breasts  ++ morphs.

Feel like sharing? Mine, too, only looks right with the default V4 chest, but I don't have the ambition to sculpt a different morph for large, small, cleavage, perk, droop, natural, etc. etc. Not to mention the many popular character morphs that use custom breast shapes.  

That would be great!!  I guess different ones would have to be made for the bodysuit?

No you  would use morphing clothes to  apply  any  morph for V4.2  to  any  clothing for V4.2.

I actually am going to  try to make one scaleable  morph that has the boobs  bridged and looks right at  all different dial  values .

i dont think  this is going to be easy.

thinking ahead without looking into  it completely yet -

i think  a "flatten chest" morph  that  basically  makes her boobs  non existant  would have to  be applied first,

then  a bridged boob  morph could be applied  that  looks corect at all  scales.

her chest mesh  is pretty uncomplicated so  her breasts might be able to  be "nuetralized" to look like she has  zero  boobs   in  her default mesh-  that would be the first  moroh you need to  apply

Morphing Clothes is a Windows-only utility, so won't do me any good on my Mac. I'll be interested to see the scalable V4.2 morph, though, to see if I can use it for Vicky for 2nd skins.I have my doubts due to the way vertices are arranged in Vicky's middle chest area, but I hope you can do better than I did. Good luck.

we are totally on  the same page -

that  area in  the middle of the breasts will  be hard  to  deal with .

that's why i  think I have to  get her truly flat chested  WITHOUT over-congesting  those verticies in  the middle in  the process . if that  can  be done,  i am off to  a good start ...... and a scalable bridged breast  shape can  be applied to  this flat chest, i hope.

xan