Quote - what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to understand?

It is a very difficult concept, just ask Ron Knights

Quote - > Quote - what part of 'BANNED FOR LIFE' is hard to understand?

It is a very difficult concept, just ask Ron Knights

Ahh the memories

That guy just keeps turning up like a bad penny...lol. Well, if he ever wanted to achieve fame (or infamy in his case), I think he did that at least ;o).

Laurie

Who was Ron Knights, and why was he banned?
dph

I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

Quote - I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

I seem to have a talent for rubbing some people the wrong way!  The ladies who congregate at the North & South board at IMDb hate me too, especially after I poserized Richard Armitage and Sin'ead Cusack for my Firelight series.  They say its because of my  ocassional off-color humor, but I find that a bit hard to believe in this day and age.  After all, we've ALL been through the sixties!
dph

Quote - I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

Yes, Dave, you are a wild one! Spreading dissent wherever you go, LOL!

Quote - Yes, Dave, you are a wild one! Spreading dissent wherever you go, LOL!

You WILL tell me I hope if and when I overdo it sometimes, yes?!  I really do like to be friends with people, but it IS difficult for me to take life all that seriously, after living in a war zone.
dph

Ron Knights! Haven't heard that name in a while. I don't think there's a site out there that hasn't banned Ron at least once.

Posette Forever wouldn't let me join, because I use Earthlink. They said I'd have to change my IP if I wanted into their special club. 'scuse me?

What would the net be without all the whackadoodles? Pretty boring, actually.

I'm originally from Detroit - now that is also a war zone.

Quote - I'm originally from Detroit - now that is also a war zone.

I'm  married.....   does that count..???

44 years 6 months and 28 days and 22 hours...!!!

Quote - 44 years 6 months and 28 days and 22 hours...!!!

And you don't know the minutes and seconds?!! I'm disappointed.

;)

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - 44 years 6 months and 28 days and 22 hours...!!!

And you don't know the minutes and seconds?!! I'm disappointed.

;)

Laurie

I do..   But they are out of date sooo quickly..    Like even before I write them down...!!

BTW...  What has happened to the lemons I asked for..??    Surely I have the BEST ban of them all...!!!    That's GOTTA deserve lemons..

and the banned played on.

Quote - I run a large forum (million and a half posts). People get banned for behavior, if they re-register and don't cause any more problems, then the problem's solved as far as I'm concerned. :-)

On the thumbnails, I don't get what's so hard about using photoshop to select a 200 x 200 area of the render that doesn't show any objectionable material.
I used to post to the galleries, but not hardly at all anymore and have deleted all my older renders. It seems sort of like trying to make art to impress artists.
I wasted quite a few years trying to play music that would impress musicians, but never made any money until I started "Playing what's paying." :-)

Its not that hard to crop a 200x200 square from your nude images i agree, i do it on a frequent basis when i upload my own images.

*"Its not that hard to crop a 200x200 square from your nude images i agree, i do it on a frequent basis when i upload my own images."

I don't think that it's the cropping that's the problem, but rather finding a way so that they don't exceed 15K.
dph

In the current versions of Photoshop, the 15k issue is not a problem if you know where to look.  Many individuals just don't take the time to learn specific aspects of their own software. 

Quote - In the current versions of Photoshop, the 15k issue is not a problem if you know where to look.  Many individuals just don't take the time to learn specific aspects of their own software. 

True, but then, like the 4th Son at the Passover Seder, there's always someone who doesn't know what and/or how to ask.
dph

And how true.

And that's when it's also art again. Filesize management can be an art form in and of itself!

I first crop a 200 by 200 pixel part of the render -I do pinups - so usually it's the girl's face. Then I run it through Photoshop's Image Ready to get a thumbnail under 12 kb.

Quote - I was banned from Posetteforever because I am friends with DPHoadley, who was also banned. They had a sign on their site that said "If you are freinds with DPHoadley, go away." or something like that. It was all very strange.

Oh I forgot all about Postteforever! I got banned from there for being rude to their forum AI Posey and refusing to apologise to a piece of software!

I crop in Photoshop and "Save for the web". There's a quality slider. Just slide 'till you get your 15kb, job done.

Thanks Hborre!

Getting back to the subject of thumbnails, gallery images, and banning...

First, although it may sound harsh: if you don't like Renderosity's rules, post somewhere else. Personally, I like DeviantArt: they don't require a thumbnail, so you can post an image without worrying if the thumbnail will be "bad".

Second, I don't think the original poster is saying the rules don't apply to him. Like many other artists, I think he's questioning why the nudity-rule applies to an image which he thinks doesn't have any nudity in it.
To use a previous example, it would be like walking into a house with a "no cigarettes" rule but carrying a cigarette box in your purse. The rule is obviously in place because the people in the house don't want smoking, but they still tell the visitor with the cigarette box to get out, even though the visitor wouldn't be smoking in their house.

I had a similar issue with an image back in February: the figure was clothed in lingerie, but someone, somehow could sort-of see nudity through the clothing. By my calculation, the "nudity" in the thumbnail was probably around 10 pixels in size. But, again, rules are rules and I shouldn't have uploaded a thumbnail with nudity.
My image was flagged, I was told to upload a new thumbnail image, and that a mark would be placed on my member record.

Although people may not get banned for accidentally posting a thumbnail with nudity, I've always wondered how many "marks" it takes to get banned. I've been a member here for literally 10 years (I joined in March 2000), so I sometimes wonder if all of my "marks" will eventually add up.
Will the "bad thumbnail" I posted in 2001 still count against me? What about a "bad forum post" I may have posted in 2002? Maybe the image I posted in 2010 will be enough to finally get me banned.

Seriously, though, I sometimes wonder if posting artistic nude images is even worth risking a "mark". Since February, I've made sure that none of my gallery images even come to showing any kind of nudity: the figures are either fully clothed or the image is a head-shot/ portrait.

The answers to your questions are no, no and no...lol.

I doubt highly that something you did in 2004 would count against you now ;o).

Laurie

Yup... things you did in 2004, are accumulated under you build up enough points to get yourself kicked out... been there done that!

Just wondering though, where in the TOS is says that after a while... like a few years or something of good behaviour, you get to earn your points back. I think I've been here for 6 years and in that time posted 1700 odd images. Yup... I've screwed up in a few of them, not intentionally, had my hand smacked, endured the 3 day banning. I think the next time I make a mistake, I'm for the chopping block. 
But!!! where is the system that one can one get some of these bad points back? Eventually, the way the system works, everyone over time will be banned from the site for accidents or oversights caused by being human and not machines. I guess that's the interface problem with computers.

This is not a total gripe... I understand this is a private site and rules is rules... but please for heavens sake wipe a few of the bad marks off the slate after a while and not accumulate them so you can eventually pull the big plug on everyone.

Ok, I shuddup now, go back to rendering....

Again, (and the mods have already said it over and over)....

YOU DON'T GET BANNED FOR NUDITY IN THUMBNAILS!!!!

Period.

If you post a few in 2004 and you post a few today you aren't gonna get banned. Not for a freakin' nude thumbnail! RGUS, I suggest you go back a few posts and maybe reread all of this thread before you really confuse someone.

Now, why doesn't this damn thread die like it should? If you really want to find out what the rules are, try reading the TOS!

Laurie

DIE, thread, DIE!

signed, scanmead the great and terrible killer of threads...

I'm going to step in here as a Mod and explain a couple of things.

Almost every time an image is flagged it is viewed by many Mods and Coords who discuss it in detail. Only when a concensus is reached does the appropriate and often more lenient penalty get handed down.

As for not being banned for nudity in thumbanils, what LaurieA says is true - unless of course you want to make a career out of it!

In the end I have to say that we are only talking about thumbnail images. Why people get all out of shape because they are required to produce an inoquous thumbnail-sized square representation of their latest work is beyond me.

But just for the heck of it, consider this. How would a normal average everyday person feel if by chance their impressionable young child suddenly noticed that the page on display on the computer just happened to be a thumbnail gallery which was full of the most obscene and violent images ever conjored up by artists on this site. And, how long do you think Renderosity would continue to garner advertising revenue if the world at large regarded it as a third rate porn site?

You don't have to pay to be here - you just have to obey a few simple rules and learn how to upload your art properly.

Quote - I'm going to step in here as a Mod and explain a couple of things.

Almost every time an image is flagged it is viewed by many Mods and Coords who discuss it in detail. Only when a concensus is reached does the appropriate and often more lenient penalty get handed down.

As for not being banned for nudity in thumbanils, what LaurieA says is true - unless of course you want to make a career out of it!

In the end I have to say that we are only talking about thumbnail images. Why people get all out of shape because they are required to produce an inoquous thumbnail-sized square representation of their latest work is beyond me.

But just for the heck of it, consider this. How would a normal average everyday person feel if by chance their impressionable young child suddenly noticed that the page on display on the computer just happened to be a thumbnail gallery which was full of the most obscene and violent images ever conjored up by artists on this site. And, how long do you think Renderosity would continue to garner advertising revenue if the world at large regarded it as a third rate porn site?

You don't have to pay to be here - you just have to obey a few simple rules and learn how to upload your art properly.

Within the "hypothetical" situation described above,   can anyone explain what happened to Me
regarding the thumbnail issue that I described in this thread earlier..   I was complying EXACTLY with the TOS..!     It was a mistake by Rendo that started the ball rolling into the situation that got Me banned..?

Ok, now that I'm not still half asleep like I was for my last post and have had time to moderate my mood, let me apologize for getting snippy. My point was, it's been mentioned over and over in this thread by people who know that a nude thumb isn't going to get anyone banned. What I meant by the thread "dying" is that by now, having heard from mods and the like, that this should now be a non-issue. When people keep coming in and saying that you will get banned for a nude thumb when it's been made clear that you don't and won't ruffles my feathers somewhat ;o). It's confusing to the newer members who might now be worried now about posting to the gallery when they shouldn't be. I was just inviting everyone who has a question to read the TOS is all ;o)....lol. The TOS is written plainly, it's not written in lawyer-speak or anything that the average person can't understand. It's there to familiarize yourself with the way things work. I just wish some people would become more familiar with it and we wouldn't have posts like this ;o).

/end rant

Laurie

Quote -
Within the "hypothetical" situation described above,   can anyone explain what happened to Me
regarding the thumbnail issue that I described in this thread earlier..   I was complying EXACTLY with the TOS..!     It was a mistake by Rendo that started the ball rolling into the situation that got Me banned..?

TAKE IT directly to a mod through site mail, please! Do you really want to air any dirty laundry in the general forums? The mods and coords all have sitemail. They exist to help and answer questions. USE them. They like it. They CRAVE it. Please don't make them feel unneeded and useless...lol. They are here to serve (they have badges and everything...)

Well, maybe I embroidered that a teensy bit, but you get the point I hope ;o).

Laurie

   Quote  "  TAKE IT directly to a mod through site mail, please! Do you really want to air any dirty laundry in the general forums? The mods and coords all have sitemail. They exist to help and answer questions. USE them. They like it. They CRAVE it. Please don't make them feel unneeded and useless...lol. They are here to serve (they have badges and everything...)

Well, maybe I embroidered that a teensy bit, but you get the point I hope ;o).

Laurie""  end Quote..

Laurie,  This is all old news anyway.  but I think it is appropriate for this thread.   I did all of those things over a period of several days..  Each post getting Me more frustrated than the last..   For some reason I was unable to communicate the situation in a way that was understandable to anyone..  Tracey was the only person who came close to understanding the situation.  and I believe it was Her good work that got Me back on line with Renderosity..

Ho Hum... yeah I think the horse is dead now... everyone can stop flogging it...

I believe the rules have been explained quite well by myself and other staff members.  There is no need to continue on about this subject. If you have any further questions about the TOS or thumbnail guidelines please contact myself or any other staff member. We will be happy to answer your questions.

For the reason above, i'm locking this thread.