Also it occurs to me that you can run the AIR app natively in Linux if you want. That doesn't have to be inside the Windows emulation box.

All I know is that I start Poser Pro and then point Firefox to the path /ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html under its default runtime folder. The library then runs within the Firefox window.

How do I run the AIR version?

odf - I'm sorry I'm very groggy - been working really late nights a lot and I just woke up.

If I understand correctly, you're running the Flash version in FireFox, in Linux. If that's the case, you do not have it marked as a trusted local Flash app, and so it is not allowed to read local files.

You have to find out how local Flash apps are identified as trusted under Linux, and make it so.

Please see:

http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=05B_Security_04.html

The library has to run in the local-trusted sandbox.

On windows and mac this is done by registering the app as discussed here:

http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/html/help.html?content=05B_Security_03.html#122778

It doesn't say how to do this in Linux.

On Windows, my registration of Poser as trusted is in this file:

C:Documents and Settings****Application DataMacromediaFlash Player#SecurityFlashPlayerTrustPoserTrust.cfg

Thanks a lot, bagginsbill! That's the pointer I needed. I'll see what I can find out about marking apps as trusted under Linux.

Quote - All I know is that I start Poser Pro and then point Firefox to the path /ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html under its default runtime folder. The library then runs within the Firefox window.

How do I run the AIR version?

Go into Edit/General Preferences
Go to the Library tab
Under Launch Behavior, choose External. Then restart Poser.

Quote - > Quote - All I know is that I start Poser Pro and then point Firefox to the path /ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html under its default runtime folder. The library then runs within the Firefox window.

How do I run the AIR version?

Go into Edit/General Preferences
Go to the Library tab
Under Launch Behavior, choose External. Then restart Poser.

Amusingly, that is the one thing I cannot select in the General Preferences dialog. When I try, Poser freezes and I have to kill the process.

Well - see if you can fix the local-trusted. If not, I can send you the AIR installer for the library and you can install it in Linux directly and run it yourself.

Many thanks! It's bedtime for me now, so I'll leave you in peace for a while.

You should be able to set it as trusted here:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04.html

The picture of the settings window isn't a picture-it's the actual settings...

OK, the painting had to wait.

I linked in my .wine directory from the old installation, and tried setting both the folder /Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/ and LSMGUI.swf as trusted locations and the images still don't show up.

One issue is that you can't browse to the C: drive becase .wine is a hidden folder.  I was able to add the above folder only because I have Poser installed in a folder I symlinked into the Wine C: drive.

The settings are stored in ~home/.macromedia/Flash_Player/macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/sys/settings.sol, which might  be editable with a binary editor, as the locations are in plain text..

Well, no luck so far. I can set the path as trusted, and I see it in the file you mentioned, but no images.

And why can't you browse to the .wine folder? Just right-click inside the file-selection dialog and select 'Show hidden files'.

I knew I could show hidden in files in Dolphin, but I didn't know you could do that in the Firefox dialog-I've always used KDE.  You learn something every day...

Hold on. If I understand you, a file path that works inside the emulator is not the same as outside? If so, then that explains it.

The GUI is told, for example, that a thumbnail is at:

c:Some Path HereRuntimeLibrariesPropsPrimitivesCube.png

But from the linux viewpoint that isn't a real path, right? So anything running in the browser in Linux must use:

/home/someotherpath/.wine/c/Some Path Here/Runtime/Libraries/Props/Primitives/Cube.png

Or something like that, right?

So this is impossible. The GUI is being told the full path to the PNG thumbnails that are unusable outside the emulator.

This is a problem. Poser does not serve the PNG files to the GUI. It simply hands over the path, and the GUI reads them directly. Serving them would slow things down a lot, so we decided to let the GUI peek right into the file system.

This isn't about permissions, although that could be a problem as well. This is about the fact that Windows paths are not uniform resource locators as far as your OS is concerned. For apps running outside the emulator, they are meaningless strings of text.

If my assessment is not correct, please clarify how the real and virtual paths work across the two environments.

Quote - Since Flash stopped working with Wine, I can't use the Windows version of Firefox anymore.

Does this mean that Flash doesn't work at all in Wine, or just not in Firefox within Wine?

Is that why the AIR app dies? Flash isn't able to run under Wine in any way, shape, or form?

I own every version of Poser from v4 to v7. However, I've decided to pass on 8 and Pro 2010. While both have some additional features and "improvements" over earlier releases, I can't justify the extra expense for what they offer.

I'm still using 3ds Max 8 for the same reason. Given my skill level with the program and the time I can devote to it, laying out a fat bundle of cash for the latest release seems a waste of hard earned money, no matter how much I may want it. The same holds true for Poser 8. If 9 does give us some genuine performance and utilility upgrades, I'll grimace and whip out the check book, but it would have to be a really significant improvement over what has come before.

Hope I haven't come across as a whining cheapskate. The global economy being the horrible mess it is with millions out of work and being thrown out of their homes, I'm more than fortunate to be able to devote any consideration at all to the subject of what computer programs I might want to purchase. That's a real luxury.

Quote - > Quote - Since Flash stopped working with Wine, I can't use the Windows version of Firefox anymore.

Does this mean that Flash doesn't work at all in Wine, or just not in Firefox within Wine?

Is that why the AIR app dies? Flash isn't able to run under Wine in any way, shape, or form?

Flash doesn't work properly with local files in Wine's integrated Gecko engine (which is why there is the issue with the integrated P8 Library), but it does continue to work for me in Firefox running under Wine.  Howevcer, I installed it many moons ago, under an older version of Wine, so perhaps it is an installer issue that Olaf is experiencing. 

If you don't succeed in getting the library to show images, maybe you're interested in a Mono version of Advanced Library? Had it successfully run in a Linux VM, when I tried to make it Mac compatible ;-). Uses the same way to load and save as Poser's new library.

Quote - Hold on. If I understand you, a file path that works inside the emulator is not the same as outside? If so, then that explains it.

The GUI is told, for example, that a thumbnail is at:

c:Some Path HereRuntimeLibrariesPropsPrimitivesCube.png

But from the linux viewpoint that isn't a real path, right? So anything running in the browser in Linux must use:

/home/someotherpath/.wine/c/Some Path Here/Runtime/Libraries/Props/Primitives/Cube.png

Or something like that, right?

So this is impossible. The GUI is being told the full path to the PNG thumbnails that are unusable outside the emulator.

Yes, that is exactly the situation. The files on the Wine c: drive are under ~home/.wine/drive_c/  Other folders can be mapped to other drive letters, but the path under Wine will never correspond to the actual Linux path... 

So for a Linux version, if I changed any thumbnail path beginning with C: and replaced it (the C:)  with ~home/.wine/drive_c and also change all backslashes to forward slashes, would that work?

Assuming the user is using the default Wine directory  C:  would be replaced with *~/.wine/drive_c/ *

However, whilst it works in the file system,  it doesn't work as a URL in Firefox ; it doesn't find file://~/.wine/drive_c but will find file:///home/rod/drive_c .  I don't knoiw if that matters to Flash...

Nothing to add on the file path topic.

As for Flash: a few weeks ago, the Windows version of Firefox I run under Wine decided to upgrade itself, and then told me Flash needed upgrading, too. Foolishly, I tried to do that, and when it didn't work, followed advice found on the Web to first delete the version I had manually. After further inspection, it turned out that the latest Flash installer crashes under my version of Wine (1.1), and I wasn't able to find an earlier installer that might still work. I could try to upgrade Wine to Version 1.2 and see if that helps, but I haven't found any information to indicate it would, and since except for the thumbnail problem, the Poser library works just fine under a native Firefox, decided that that was the way to go.

Honestly, the missing thumbnails don't bother me that much. It's just that I was suspecting it must be something trivial like the path name mismatch (see my first post on the topic) and wondered if there might be some simple trick to fix it.

bagginsbill, if you're keen on helping the handful of people using Poser under Wine - and I fully understand if that's not a big priority of yours - the cleanest solution might be to let users choose whether to have Poser serve the thumbnail files or just point to their locations.

Quote - Here is the screen shot. I uninstalled and reinstalled both
Poser 8 and Flash.

y'know it would be so much easier if, instead of [FAULT] this thing said something along the lines of "Your firewall is preventing the library in talking with Poser. Please allow it to"

I'll change it in the next version.

At the time I wrote it, I had no idea what reasons there would be for communication failure. In fact, sometimes it isn't anything to do with a firewall. Sometimes it's because you're running in an old IE. Sometimes it's because the Flash version is bad. Sometimes it's something else.

Saying it's the firewall is misleading, although it is most of the time. It would have to be worded with less conviction.

This is why I asked the OP to check the return value from the browser, of this:

http://127.0.0.1:11530

When I learn what that does, then I'll offer the next debugging step.

But since the OP hasn't come back, I don't know what to suggest next yet. I'm not going to write a 30 paragraph description of everything I've ever seen be wrong, how to figure out which it is, and how to fix it. Debugging is a step by step path through a decision tree. The first step is - can you talk to the server or not, from a browser? After that we either investigate the firewall or something else.

I've had quite a few people say they are sure the firewall is OK, and it isn't.

Olaf,

You can get older versions of Flash here:

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/142/tn_14266.html

I'm using one I downloaded last August...

Thanks, WandW! Please understand though that I don't feel particularly inclined at this point to get into another round of version number lotto just so that I can run the software that shall not be named under Wine when I have a native version installed that is malfunctioning just as the manufacturer intended.

But I really appreciate the sentiment.

 Didn't care for Poser 8, but like Poser Pro 2010.  Poser 9 should build upon Poser 2010 - there's absolutely no reason for separate base and pro versions when it comes to Poser.

Quote -  Didn't care for Poser 8, but like Poser Pro 2010.  Poser 9 should build upon Poser 2010 - there's absolutely no reason for separate base and pro versions when it comes to Poser.

Isn't $250 a good reason?

Sorry, no - the price can always be adjusted.  There's not a sufficient difference in functionality and options between the two versions (mainly just the addition of gamma correction) to justify 3 separate releases.

I agree the price can be adjusted, but selling a cheap enough version to be able to compete with DAZ Studio, and at the same time having a version expensive enough to make some serious money requires some sacrifices. Common sense has nothing to do with this.

GC isn't the only difference. HDRI rendering, PSD layer rendering, background rendering, 64-bit rendering, and rendering an animation on multiple computers simultaneously are a few other things that matter to some people.

Quote - I have SR3. One of the things that still persists is that it can still get stuck on refreshing. Sometimes one folder, sometimes numerous folders...

I think that's the problem I experience with PP2010 sometimes. I still love it though!

I value Poser at 75 dollars. For what it does, that's how much it should be.
And that goes for Vue and everything else. All these 3D graphics companies have convinced us that graphics packages should start at 300 dolalrs.. But that's cause we have let them charge us that much!

Quote - I value Poser at 75 dollars. For what it does, that's how much it should be.
And that goes for Vue and everything else. All these 3D graphics companies have convinced us that graphics packages should start at 300 dolalrs.. But that's cause we have let them charge us that much!

Why stop there? Everything we ever wanted should be given to us for free, no matter how much it costs to make. It is scientifically proven that a programmer can live on sodas and crackers and sleep on a couch in the office, so why are they paid so much, anyway?

Quote - I value Poser at 75 dollars. For what it does, that's how much it should be.
And that goes for Vue and everything else. All these 3D graphics companies have convinced us that graphics packages should start at 300 dolalrs.. But that's cause we have let them charge us that much!

Sort of like saying that "a brand new house is only worth $1000 to me, and all the hard work, labor, and materials ain't worth a dime to me. We only pay so much for houses because they convince us that their time and skill has value..."

I bet if someone made the same kind of comments about your job and salary, you'd be ready to strangle them.

Sports players don't deserve the amount of money they make. No matter what.

Also programmers don't deserve it. If they deserve it, laborers also should get the same.

Laborers do so much work and they get so little. If you think Programmers deserve so much, then give the same to laborers.

Blender is free and much more powerful than Poser. Have fun!

Quote - GC isn't the only difference. HDRI rendering, PSD layer rendering, background rendering, 64-bit rendering, and rendering an animation on multiple computers simultaneously are a few other things that matter to some people.

Pretty much all of these matter to me except for network rendering...

Quote - Laborers do so much work and they get so little. If you think Programmers deserve so much, then give the same to laborers.

In the world of software, programmers ARE the laborers. Who did you think were responsible for every single working piece of computerized equipment you use every day? As for athletes, if an owner of a sports team is making billions off of someone's likeness and/or skills, then that athlete d@mn well does deserve millions, which is only a small piece of the overall pie.

Besides, your points first presume that all the money goes into the programmers pockets which, just like the "overpaid" athletes, we both know isn't true. Secondly this has nothing about all the underpaid laborers who truly don't get their fair share, this is about you hating on a group of people who actually have the skill and work invested to warrant getting a fair share of the earnings, and yet YOU want to screw them out of it for selfish reasons.

I work 60 to 100 hours a week and have done so for 30 years. Most laborors go home at 5 pm. I am still working at 2 am. They get to watch TV and play with children. When they were little, my children would ask "Mommy, where does daddy live?".

I regularly create value that my clients can quantify is far in excess of what they pay me. Far far in excess. And they can't get that same value from other people, so they pay me a lot more than most software engineers. If they didn't pay me like that, I wouldn't do it. I'd be the manager of a shoe store.

Quote - > Quote - I value Poser at 75 dollars. For what it does, that's how much it should be.

And that goes for Vue and everything else. All these 3D graphics companies have convinced us that graphics packages should start at 300 dolalrs.. But that's cause we have let them charge us that much!

Why stop there? Everything we ever wanted should be given to us for free, no matter how much it costs to make. It is scientifically proven that a programmer can live on sodas and crackers and sleep on a couch in the office, so why are they paid so much, anyway?

I think we should keep you all locked in a room too. Bathroom breaks only when necessary ;o).

Of course, I'm kidding...lol.

I have no problem with the price I paid for Poser 8. Or Poser 7 or 6 either for that matter. In the land of 3D programs, those are bargain basement prices already. Unless you wanna use D|S (which I also have). I have it and don't use it. So I guess you get what you pay for if it does what you want it to - and Poser does for the most part.

Laurie

Quote - Sports players don't deserve the amount of money they make. No matter what.

Also programmers don't deserve it. If they deserve it, laborers also should get the same.

Laborers do so much work and they get so little. If you think Programmers deserve so much, then give the same to laborers.

Next you'll say burger flippers deserve the same as programmers. They labor, don't they? Be ready to be laughed out of the forums...

It's people who believe such crap that make me pissed off at the world...

Laurie

Quote - It's people who believe such crap that make me pissed off at the world...

Laurie

Don't blame a perfectly good world for the few (insert expletive of choice here) that show up in it now and then. :)

Sorry for going OT and speaking about Poser features again, but here is something I'd really really like to see for Poser: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=144452
It's an interface between DAZ Studio and LuxRender, with material translation (meaning you don't have to start from zero on all materials in your scene). Don't know how well the material translation works, but it is certainly better than starting from scratch.

Now direct external renderer support would be for me a reason to shell out money for an app (LuxRender is free, BTW).

Here's a Poser scene I just set up and rendered in LuxRender.

I am doing the material conversions, so that Poser materials will just work without you touching anything. Others are working on lights, geometry, camera, render settings, etc.

I don't have texture maps working yet, or procedural colors (clouds, spots, cellular, etc.) but I will.

odf, creator of Antonia, is working on this project as well. Here he posed Antonia in Poser, then clicked one button to render in LuxRender. It's white because there was no material exporter at the time. (This morning). I only started writing the material converter last night. Today I have it running.

Here is the thread if you want to follow the progress and discussion.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2807395

Ignore the bullshit from some naysayers. There are a few people who think it can't work or it will be slow. Ignore that. Just read the parts about what has been done in just two days. My scene exported in 1 second. It's not slow. And despite the difficulty some people have with how it is done (huh? not possible!) I'm doing the material conversions quite easily.

Quote - Blender is free and much more powerful than Poser. Have fun!

i think blender doesnt have global illumination

??? Blender have all the features you dream ;)

http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/features/

http://www.blender.org/index.php?eID=tx_cms_showpic&file=uploads%2Fpics%2Fyafrayrender.jpg&width=800m&height=600m&bodyTag=%3Cbody%20style%3D%22margin%3A0%3B%20background%3A%23fff%3B%22%3E&wrap=%3Ca%20href%3D%22javascript%3Aclose%28%29%3B%22%3E%20%7C%20%3C%2Fa%3E&md5=93d75408eb5836dd60536bfdbbf1c7e6

i dont see GI

I don't know about GI, but here's an amusing anecdote: 10 years ago, when I first played with Blender, it had radiosity.