Seems to me from the forums that most people just do either images or they figureout stuff or they do modeling or comics. But i would be willing to say that i feel only 1 % of people are making movies/animation.

WE need to take it up guys. Why people are scared of making movies? Do they think anything they do is useless and stupid and that they should leave movie making to the pros?  Well i do think that way sometimes but whocares. IN fact, amateurish movies are sometimes more entertaining and fun.

I'm not afraid of making movies. I've fiddled with the animation functions, and find them quite fascinating and yes, EASY to use. With me, it's just that I'm more interested in scenes than in making them move.

Another issue is the time it takes to make an animation. My scenes are usually extremely detailed with lots of backgrounds and props, and it just takes far longer to animate these than the result seems to justify. I suppose if there was something I really WANTED to animate, that would justify the time spent, but so far, I've not hit on anything.

$.02

The skill put into a "still" picture is not less than an animated one.

Ansel Adams never made a movie that I am aware of, and his photos are judged as great works.

All the paintings by the masters are not animations, but invoke a wide range of reactions in the mind of the viewer.

It is not what the image does, but what it does to you

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jerr3d - the Ed Wood of the 12 Poser Animators

Attached Link: Aurora animated movie

That said, I personally prefer to use Poser/Daz for animation, since, tho I come from an illustration background, I've always liked animation, and Poser has great potential for it. It does take a lot of time and effort, but I've enjoyed the process, and it makes me learn/exercise a range of skills that still images never call upon. Anyone who hasn't tried their hand at animation might want to give it a go sometime--you might just have a knack for it.

I was going to mention Aurora... amazing project.

Most of us barely have time or the skills to produce a still image, or create content. Animation is so much more complex, not just because of the technical work, but the story line, scripts, sound, and voice-overs. Personally, I'm a hobbiest with about 5-8 hours a week to spend on this.

o.k., then there are at least twelve users making movies with poser.  can't be bad.  was "the biggest loser" promo or ad animation done with poser?  I saw it somewhere.

Quote - I was going to mention Aurora... amazing project.

Most of us barely have time or the skills to produce a still image, or create content. Animation is so much more complex, not just because of the technical work, but the story line, scripts, sound, and voice-overs. Personally, I'm a hobbiest with about 5-8 hours a week to spend on this.

You see. you are overworried. like probably others that don't even try animation, you're worried about how good the s cript,, voice overs etc. wanna know what? IT DOESNT MATTER.. you don't have to perfect.

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Animations are fun, but a lot more effort; and IMHO, the results aren't as convincing as you can get with still images. Maybe I need to put in even more effort. :D

I only do animations, never stills (which explains why I never get much done :rolleyes:).  The longest one so far was my "Tribute to Godzilla" that only lasted about seven minutes but took over nine months to complete (done in Poser 5).  It's on YouTube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJn-dmzuOpc

My Demo Reel( in my Sig)

is ALL poser animation

I also use DAZ studio's "aniMate+ as it has NON linear motion mixing.

Cheers

I dream of making a choreographed animation to a specific song one day.  I have it spinning around in my head, so maybe it will happen.  

Quote - > Quote - I was going to mention Aurora... amazing project.

Most of us barely have time or the skills to produce a still image, or create content. Animation is so much more complex, not just because of the technical work, but the story line, scripts, sound, and voice-overs. Personally, I'm a hobbiest with about 5-8 hours a week to spend on this.

 

You see. you are overworried. like probably others that don't even try animation, you're worried about how good the s cript,, voice overs etc. wanna know what? IT DOESNT MATTER.. you don't have to perfect.

Ah... but you see, I do. Countless projects are sitting in dust because the modeling, textures, lighting, or composition isn't up to my meager standards. ;)

Plus, moving things just don't interest me as much as capturing one clear moment. Sort of the difference between telling a story, and evoking a mood.

Working on the idea of animating painting tuition in the Artist Studio, 

http://www.alexprowse.co.uk/page2/page2.html

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The ones published (see attached link) were in Cinema4D, all modeling etc done myself. I won some prize with the Merry-Go-Round, the Smart-Car one took two months full time (say 1500 hours) rendering for the final version alone.

A current WIP is in Poser, and forces me to figure out all aspects of it. Dancing in long skirts pushed me deep into dynamic clothing, and so on. It will take me a year or so, but I'll make stills and tutorials along the way.

Indeed, you don't need the level of detail as required for a 7000x5000 size photoreal portrait still, but you can easily spend loads of time on the other aspects. Storyline, motion curves, finetuning to the rhythm, you name it.

Have fun

http://www.youtube.com/user/VJflickeringlight

Putting my hand up as another confirmed Poser animator, only a small proportion of what I make gets posted online, the majority only gets seen by live audiences.

My youtube channel contains several animated music vdeos, a few odd clips posted for forum reference and various bits of live footage, often as not with my animations projected in the background.

I rarely render or set up still scenes, but I've found that they take almost as long as setting up an animation, higher res images seem to need much more polishing and tweaking. But then there's the (grrrr!) render times.

3Dave, i don't worry about render times because i do my movies in Preview mode renders.

Fast.

Quote - 3Dave, i don't worry about render times because i do my movies in Preview mode renders.

Fast.

Me too, when I can get away with it, trouble is the models sometimes demand full quality

All i do lately is animation ;p its a lot more addictive for me lol

Check out some of my attempts,

www.youtube.com/user/leezace?feature=mhum

Quote - All i do lately is animation ;p its a lot more addictive for me lol

Check out some of my attempts,

www.youtube.com/user/leezace?feature=mhum

Great. Except you've fallen into the trap i've always too. Which is slow motion human moves. Humans never move in slow motion. In fact even a tiny head turn in real humans is quick. if you do it really slow it looks unnatural

Thanks for that, i have taken that on board and i am in the process if doing just that, speeding things up and making it more life like, I am still learning though ;p

One thing that has helped me with learning to "speed up" the movements is working with motion capture (bvh) files. In the process of cleaning up and adjusting Poser animations made with motion capture files, I've found that I've gotten a better sense of natural movement when I have to create sections from scratch.

You can't render animations with multiple-cores and IDL without strange shadow noise.  going back to one engine per frame would just take forever, and who doesn't want the latest advances?

The prospect is disheartening.

I dont get strange shadow noise ? i have IC set to max and i always save as .png files and re-assemble them with VD.

Ummm...something about each core processing shadows randomly, or something.  So every frame the IDL is calculated somewhat differently, resulting in noise.  I don't imagine rendering in png would be a difference.  I'll try to set up something in the next few days and see if it's still a problem...maybe a SR fixed it.

We have problems in Cinema 4D when we use Global Illumination and Network Rendering (over several computers). It seems to be okay across multi cores on the same machine, tho.

Quote - Ummm...something about each core processing shadows randomly, or something.  So every frame the IDL is calculated somewhat differently, resulting in noise.  I don't imagine rendering in png would be a difference.  I'll try to set up something in the next few days and see if it's still a problem...maybe a SR fixed it.

I have the same problem, and I came to the forums today to see if someone has dealt with it yet.

Oh and yes, I animate with poser. One reason why you don't see many animators "here" is that rendo, while friendly to poser artists, is not very accomodating to those who want to post animations (requires allowing larger file sizes). The best I can do here is post a small low quality gif. Can't even post a .swf, which you can at least squeeze 30 frames out of at a decent size.

Vimeo of FREE and so is Youtube

the DAZ forums have youtube embedding so you can see peoples videos

right in the thread post

Cheers

Getting back to the original topic: how many people are making Poser movies--that is, with story, dialog, scene changes, characters? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?  ;-)

Quote - Getting back to the original topic: how many people are making Poser movies--that is, with story, dialog, scene changes, characters? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?  ;-)

I am. that's why i started this thread. I'm making a 2 hour movie. In preview mode FYI.

With story which i made long time ago. dialog, I have made 33 scenes( don't know if i will use them all), i have like 30 characters i made. about 5 are main characters.

Chose the music including dramatic music for action, sadness, love,e tc.

Also i bought and downloaded effects for expplosions, fire.. And can grab rain effect from iMovie 6( Imovie 9 is the one in Snow loepard Macos x but you can install 6 cause 6 has rain and 9 doesn't).

I have prepared some bvh, actually tons so i can use in addition to making my own animations using ANIMATION principles.

I've been making Poser animation mini movies for a while and it's become a full time

hobby.

I would recommend this app to anyone who wants to have fun creating and bringing to life their dreams to the screen without using the high end gear which is very expensive with a long learning curve.

Have a look at Tim's "Aurora" to see what really can be done.

My efforts can be seen on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjvCFZZ6blE

or

www.davlin-studio.co.uk

Awesome davlin!!!!!!!!!! I'm gonna do it like that. I noticed you used a teddy bear i have. hehe

I'm currently working on a movie called Insectus using live footage with practical effects along with Poser and Vue for CGI. My tests and files can be found here:

http://vimeo.com/user730332/videos

I have a question. WHat's better, make looong animation files with camera changes OR

make small files with 1 shot each file..

But if you do that, then your animation won't flow. or will it? can you make it flow?

Also if you do it 1 shot per file.. you will want to continue the previous file, with the character at the exact position where it left off in the previous file but that'd be hard

Quote - I have a question. WHat's better, make looong animation files with camera changes OR

make small files with 1 shot each file..

But if you do that, then your animation won't flow. or will it? can you make it flow?

 

Also if you do it 1 shot per file.. you will want to continue the previous file, with the character at the exact position where it left off in the previous file but that'd be hard

It really depends on the material, how you shoot and edit is determined by the mood of the piece. I do render out quite long animation sequences and build in camera moves and cuts (using straight or break splines keys in the animation palette) If I need to move all to a new file (to hide parenting changes or some other change) I save a duplicate of my file, keyframe everything at the cut point, then delete the sections I don't need. Remember to watch out for spline interpolation glitches when you have to set the new first keyframe.

http://www.youtube.com/user/VJflickeringlight#p/search/1/BrJIje1_cao

The pz3 for this one is really short, using 179 frame free bvh from E3D.co cut and shot from multiple angles I squeezed over 600 frames from that file

Yes. I would like to see more movies produce and made by Poser (other than just posed pictures).

A little of my work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59cZ-xclCsg

I've made several short animations over time. Most of them bad L

Also i'm B A D at thinking up plotlines. As a matter of fact I've only ever made one movie which at least attempted a plot. All the others are mostly just .. animated stills (if that makes sense - like a guy walking through a room)

I think it's fun to animate, I love to see things move (that's also why so many of my models are either morphing or in other way movable.. it looks fun :) )

BUT it also takes a heck of a time, even on a good computer. And patience has never been one of my virtues :)

Quote - Seems to me from the forums that most people just do either images or they figureout stuff or they do modeling or comics. But i would be willing to say that i feel only 1 % of people are making movies/animation.

 

WE need to take it up guys. Why people are scared of making movies? Do they think anything they do is useless and stupid and that they should leave movie making to the pros?  Well i do think that way sometimes but whocares. IN fact, amateurish movies are sometimes more entertaining and fun.

 

it's impossible to do good animation in poser of dazstudio programs! take a look to motionbuilder and you know all what i mean... to much time taken, beceause lacks of bad anime tools. that's why you see no real movies show up! and only see some pre-made (animate) mocaps everywhere around youtube. i hate them, that's no art.... but pre-made crap!

Quote - from William the Bloody...  Ummm...something about each core processing shadows randomly, or something.  So every frame the IDL is calculated somewhat differently, resulting in noise.  I don't imagine rendering in png would be a difference.  I'll try to set up something in the next few days and see if it's still a problem...maybe a SR fixed it.

That's a tough nut to crack. It's been discussed before elsewhere here right after Poser 8 was released. If there's a way to generate a photon map, you might be able to work around it. I don't think Poser has Final Gather either. Bigger programs need those features for architectural fly-throughs and you still may run into problems. One of the reasons Pixar stays away from GI and uses light sets, besides saving render time.

Here's a workaround for 3dsMax:

http://3dsmaxrendering.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-does-my-animation-flicker_02.html

The only thing I could think might work for Poser would be using GI to make backgrounds, elements and foreground layers and then use soft lights to simulate GI for your characters, render either with the elements or render the character animation separately with alpha maps and composite. Might actually save render time. But you'd really have to plan out shots.

Kevin