Maybe it is too late for that since DAZ continues to develop DAZ Studio.  But to me the ultimate Poser Pro 2012 would be the Poser app with  Vicki 5 /Aiko 5/ Michael 5 pre-installed.

they won't IMVHO.  when poser was for sale last time, they bought carrara instead.  SM won't let go of it AFAIK.

Agree with Miss Nancy that they won't. DAZ has gone in a different direction with different tech that does the same and uses much the same content, differently. To much time and money developing DS and a little of that into Carrara. They don't need Poser. Only the users to sell content to.

Besides the base figures are free or will be free, stated by Daz in a thread. So no real need to have them included. It's the extras you pay for and would still have to pay for if the figures were included in Poser.

Given the track record of DAZ w.r.t. program development after having bought them, if they bought Poser I would install MakeHuman :lol:

Bye!!!

A degree of competition is a good thing.  Not keen on the idea of having only one source in the market.

Quote - ** They don't need Poser. Only the users to sell content to.**

 

Exactly!!!

Cheers

NO, please NO!

Let there be competition to keep everybody on their toe"s.

Please don't say such things.................................................................

For Daz to own the Poserverse, would be "not good" =/

Even further, they should sell off their other software to Smith Micro... Let them focus on Daz Studio and content, they can't handle more than that =|

Daz does content best IMHO! Though one upside to them owning software is a cheap price tag for a PC members. Look at the price the most recent version of Bryce used to bring versus what it cost to get the latest greatest version today. That price went down sharply when Daz purchased it. Same with Carrarra if I'm not mistaken, which admittedly, I could be.

Here's one hoping Daz sells Hexagon to someone who will actually UPDATE the damn thing ;o). Seems they've lost complete interest in it over Carrara which is sad, very sad. Some folks just want a modeler not a monster ;o). I'm so ready to move on to Silo...lol.

Laurie

with Hex it's simply it does not fit their sales model.

with DS, Bryce, Carrara, they can sell you content. Hex is all about making things, not content, so once they sell you a copy, thats it. no more money coming in, bye bye. not what Daz's sales model wants....

I don't think Daz will buy Poser. It's just something I cannot see.

"Daz" doesn't make content, the artists that broker w/ it do all the content creating, and most of them sell here as well...

If Daz3d were to focus on just Daz Studio and the content end of things, it would be much better for everyone, they put too much effort into the other things that, as mentioned and I agree, doesn't fit their "sales model"...

If Smith Micro picked up Carrara, Bryce and Hex, that'd be too awesome... They CAN handle software, and having all the family in one place again would be golden. It should have been the logical path, but that's just me...

Daz can push content for their figures, and the software we render in is pretty much a moot issue, but for those that can't handle the big guns (was that a tomato someone threw?!?), they have the option of Daz Studio, only ensuring -anyone- can take advantage of their content... They have a free version, and should someone choose, an advanced version. Pretty slick actually...

They sell Hex for 2 dollars, you can't expect any development on that, it may as well be free. If you did the math, ALL sales on Hex prolly isn't worth even 1 1/2 descent software engineer =/ They also gave Carrara away w/ a magazine not too long ago... That really doesn't push content, and was NOT necessary, as people can use and render w/ the free Daz Studio. It only gave them another rendering option. Bryce was free for quite a while, and the newest release isn't expensive at all. I just don't think any of their software they are running is worth it "to them"... It makes a very small percentage of what they bring in...

::: check me out, all in the biznizz :::

In short, they really aren't doing anything w/ the software they have now anyways. Sell it off, and focus on Daz Studio and Content.

Hmmm.  I think the  question is theoretical. What IF Daz baught Poser.  What would change ... what would  Poser look like,  do . .. etc.  That's how I read it.

Quote - In short, they really aren't doing anything w/ the software they have now anyways. Sell it off, and focus on Daz Studio and Content.

I have to disagree. They've updated Carrara to 64 bit, added bullet physics, IES lights, improved NLA, added Puppeteer and multitudes of bug fixes. Remember, when they bought it, Carrara had lots of bugs. Yes, they could do more, but at the price they charge (which is very low if you buy it on sale) they are doing great. Imagine what it would cost if they hired more developers. We'd have to pay for it. They've also breathed new life into Bryce, where it can now really turn out landscapes and skies you had to go to Vue to come close to get, though it still has room to improve, too. But it's still much more affordable. I still think Hex could be brought back, and maybe they have a plan to do that eventually. But with all the other modelers out there and especially with modo and Z-brush so popular, what could they really do?

It's funny to me that people now think Smith Micro would take care of the software DAZ now owns. I remember the comments when they took over Poser and it was like the end of the world was near. So much idiotic comment posting... but that's almost expected anymore these days. :(

What I think I'd like to see is Poser bought out by Adobe and integrated into their tool suite. In that scenario, Adobe would probably just buy the underlying 3d technology and redesign the interface to be more compatible with their other tools, and let's hope more user friendly. The problem for Adobe in this case might be that the whole buyinig and selling of content is not compatible with their business model.

Quote - Agree with Miss Nancy that they won't. DAZ has gone in a different direction with different tech that does the same and uses much the same content, differently. To much time and money developing DS and a little of that into Carrara. They don't need Poser. Only the users to sell content to.

Besides the base figures are free or will be free, stated by Daz in a thread. So no real need to have them included. It's the extras you pay for and would still have to pay for if the figures were included in Poser.

Actually, to say they don't need Poser is somewhat misleading. A LOT of people still use Poser, even though D/S is pretty much either free or at least cheaper. Granted, they have the most popular figure in the Poserverse, but it's not the ONLY figure in the Poserverse, nor is DAZ the only place you can buy or sell figures and models for Poser.

So really, Poser doesn't need DAZ as much as DAZ needs Poser.

Yeah, admittedly, they've improved Carrara, but no matter how great it gets, it does nothing to help push their content. Most do NOT model w/ it, and even for all it's animation power, Vue is what you hear about w/ regards to Hollywood... Carrara is my favorite program btw, but lets be real... Hex has been abandoned... Another of my favorite apps, but abandoned nonetheless. The Bryce overhaul was long overdue... Again, I see no need to focus on it, its a very trimmed down Carrara. Is it really worth the effort when you compare its price tag, when your point is to sell content? I don't think so =/

I think people "know" Smith Micro can take care of the software Daz owns because Smith Micro is a software company whereas Daz (and even they will say it til they are blue in the face) is a content for Poser/Daz Studio company. They have differnt mind sets... Daz would be Daz w/o any of the programs. We go there for the figures and other stuff.

Smith Micro is only one choice... Me personally, I'd have liked for Adobe to snatch up or incorporate Metacreations when that time came, then the family would all be togther in the best of hands... If you think about it, Adobe doesn't sell filters, plug-ins, brushes, or other valuable presets that can be used even w/ PhotoShop, ad they don't need to, other places are set up just for that... People still use Xenofex, Eyecandy and KPT's...

I will never get why thay made D/S to work just like Poser.

Poser ,D/S is 10 times more difficult to use than it needs to be.

Quote - Actually, to say they don't need Poser is somewhat misleading. A LOT of people still use Poser, even though D/S is pretty much either free or at least cheaper. Granted, they have the most popular figure in the Poserverse, but it's not the ONLY figure in the Poserverse, nor is DAZ the only place you can buy or sell figures and models for Poser. So really, Poser doesn't need DAZ as much as DAZ needs Poser.

No, you are reading something into my post that I did not say. I said Daz does not need to buy Poser. They already have two apps that basically do the same thing. I also said they do need the Poser user. To SELL content to.

We don't need adobe to buy anything. Then only the well off or warez users will have it. Just like photoshop is now.

Quote - I will never get why thay made D/S to work just like Poser.

Poser ,D/S is 10 times more difficult to use than it needs to be.

That seems to be changing. It was stated today that the V5 figures are LOD. That means not only would Poser have to develope the wieghtmap rigging but also the SubD as DS to take full advantage of the new figures. It is the same as V4 in that regard. V4 is LOD in DS only.

I think the OP has a major flaw. But only SM and DAZ can say for sure and they are not saying anything. Except DAZ showing us V5 for DS. She does look good.

A word about Studio being free: Studio base is free but even the most trivial task requires plugins which are in most cases commercial. Just adding a new morph thru an OBJ file requires a plugin.

When I was thinking of gettting Poser I did a check of how much it would cost to replicate the functionality and I discovered how much Studio does actually cost.

Morph target thru OBJ file: Morph Loader (10$)
Rigging:Figure Setup Tools (30$)
Dynamic Clothes: Dynamic Clothing Control (50$)

I bought Poser 8 for 104$ during the last Smith Micro sale and the above list amounts, just by itself, to 90$. Remember also that Poser can drape any "cloth" while Studio can only handle specific (and not cheap) content.

If I add to the equation a program like Blender or Wings3D we also have:

Decimator for DAZ Studio (100$)
Reality (80$)
mgHeightfield Primitives for DS3 (15$) and
FBX Plug-in for DAZ Studio (100$)

for a total of 295$.

Our "free" as beer program now costs 385$. Poser 8 without sales is 250$ so, we are left with 135$. If we add 64 additional dollars, we can also add Vue 9 Esprit (again not sale) to the bundle.

Still thinking that Studio is so great?

Quote - > Quote - Actually, to say they don't need Poser is somewhat misleading. A LOT of people still use Poser, even though D/S is pretty much either free or at least cheaper. Granted, they have the most popular figure in the Poserverse, but it's not the ONLY figure in the Poserverse, nor is DAZ the only place you can buy or sell figures and models for Poser. So really, Poser doesn't need DAZ as much as DAZ needs Poser.

No, you are reading something into my post that I did not say. I said Daz does not need to buy Poser. They already have two apps that basically do the same thing. I also said they do need the Poser user. To SELL content to.

We don't need adobe to buy anything. Then only the well off or warez users will have it. Just like photoshop is now.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was the way you worded your post.

You know, interestingly enough, when I first bought Poser (2) all those years ago, it was years before I finally bought something from DAZ. I mainly used the Poser characters and clothes that came with Poser. In fact, it wasn't until I bought Poser 4 that I finally started to download even freebies from places like Fairyworld, and Poserworld.

So if the two companys/apps are not going to merge, will they go their own ways, developing proprietary figures, or maintain a shaky alliance which benefits both companys and all users of both softwares?

Quote - So if the two companys/apps are not going to merge, will they go their own ways, developing proprietary figures, or maintain a shaky alliance which benefits both companys and all users of both softwares?

I think that about sums it up ;o).

I used to think that perhaps Daz would abandon Poser users in favor of their own software and leave us in the dust, but that would really be a bad business move. Not that they're above that sort of thing tho...lol.

Laurie

"If I add to the equation a program like Blender or Wings3D we also have:

Decimator for DAZ Studio (100$)
Reality (80$)
mgHeightfield Primitives for DS3 (15$) and
FBX Plug-in for DAZ Studio (100$)
for a total of 295$.
Our "free" as beer program now costs 385$. Poser 8 without sales is 250$ so, we are left with 135$. If we add 64 additional dollars, we can also add Vue 9 Esprit (again not sale) to the bundle.
Still thinking that Studio is so great?"

Hi no offense but I read  such
"true cost of DS" ,break downs Like this all the time in these DS vs poser discussions
and yours is just as arbitrary and self serving as all of the others I have read.

BTW You "forgot " to Add $2500-$3000 for a copy of Autodesk MAX ,Maya or Maxon C4D to receive FBX exports from Daz studio.
You assume (Falsely) that the average Daz user literallyNEEDS
all the additional Items you listed to produce a viable Still render.
well one visit to the DAZ galleries clearly proves that they do not.
Most  DS users  are more than happy with the free version
plus maybe the reality plugin ($80 USD) for the "well heeled"
and the cost of Content is  not relevant to the discussion
because both DS& poser users will need to buy additional Content after all the galleries here are not exactly flooded with renders of
"Alyson"& "Ryan" are they?? .

Cheers

"BTW You "forgot " to Add $2500-$3000 for a copy of Autodesk MAX ,Maya or Maxon C4D to receive FBX exports from Daz studio."

Wings3d supports FBX Import/Export cough cost, $0.

"Wings3d supports FBX Import/Export cough cost, $0."

Correct sir,  but that Does help NOT promote the Agenda of convincing others how "Expensive" the Free version of DS allegedly is.
I mean  Why mention the $100 third party FBX export plugin when colladda Export( Supported by the aformentioned pro apps) Comes FREE with all versions of Daz studio.

Cheers

I'm gonna take a page from pjz99's book...lol. I think it's time ;o).

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - So if the two companys/apps are not going to merge, will they go their own ways, developing proprietary figures, or maintain a shaky alliance which benefits both companys and all users of both softwares?

I think that about sums it up ;o).

I used to think that perhaps Daz would abandon Poser users in favor of their own software and leave us in the dust, but that would really be a bad business move. Not that they're above that sort of thing tho...lol.

Laurie

I at least hope this WILL BE the case, but isn't Miki3 equipped with a custom rigging system made for POSER 8 and Pro 2010 only?  And as was mentioned earlier "It was stated today that the V5 figures are LOD. That means not only would Poser have to develope the wieghtmap rigging but also the SubD as DS to take full advantage of the new figures. It is the same as V4 in that regard. V4 is LOD in DS only."

So are these two new developments healthy competition or a sign that the two companies are slowly moving in exclusive directions ?

Quote - "If I add to the equation a program like Blender or Wings3D we also have:

Decimator for DAZ Studio (100$)
Reality (80$)
mgHeightfield Primitives for DS3 (15$) and
FBX Plug-in for DAZ Studio (100$)
for a total of 295$.
Our "free" as beer program now costs 385$. Poser 8 without sales is 250$ so, we are left with 135$. If we add 64 additional dollars, we can also add Vue 9 Esprit (again not sale) to the bundle.
Still thinking that Studio is so great?"

Hi no offense but I read  such
"true cost of DS" ,break downs Like this all the time in these DS vs poser discussions
and yours is just as arbitrary and self serving as all of the others I have read.

BTW You "forgot " to Add $2500-$3000 for a copy of Autodesk MAX ,Maya or Maxon C4D to receive FBX exports from Daz studio.
You assume (Falsely) that the average Daz user literallyNEEDS
all the additional Items you listed to produce a viable Still render.
well one visit to the DAZ galleries clearly proves that they do not.
Most  DS users  are more than happy with the free version
plus maybe the reality plugin ($80 USD) for the "well heeled"
and the cost of Content is  not relevant to the discussion
because both DS& poser users will need to buy additional Content after all the galleries here are not exactly flooded with renders of
"Alyson"& "Ryan" are they?? .

Cheers

Big deal. There's not a whole lot of renders of Stephanie 3 here either. What's your point Wolf? Because frankly, there's a whole lot of freebies out there where DAZ wouldn't make a cent off of.

Quote -  

Big deal. There's not a whole lot of renders of Stephanie 3 here either. What's your point Wolf?

My point is that most people are buying third party content anyway
so it is not really valid and frankly Misleading to try and pad the cost of the base program
by adding in the cost of such OPTIONAL but not required third party content

it is a  phoney ,straw man argument for a D/S user to say:

"poser 8 really $$cost$$ this much because
you have to buy such & such to replace that horrible Ryan and Alyson"

Just as it is a straw man argument to say the DAZ base is not really  FREE because You have to get the "Decimator" plugin.

Cheers

Scenario: carmaker A sells you a car ready to roll out of the showroom while carmaker B lists, among the optionals, the steering wheel (yes, it is an optional; just get a wrench and turn the control rod by hand. Maybe it is not easy but can be done and in most cases roads are straight so turning is not a frequent requirement, right?)

Don't everybody think that it might be "reasonable", when comparing the price of the two options, to add to B base cost all the optionals required to bring car B on pair with car A? Or I am too convoluted? Hard question. Add Rodin's Thinker image here.

Quote -  

Don't everybody think that it might be "reasonable", when comparing the price of the two options, to add to B base cost all the optionals required to bring car B on pair with car A?

Yes but be intellectually honest and state  that your desire for optional add ons or poser style features
will make the usage cost  X dollar amount higher for you.

Dont accuse the maker of a base no frills version of misrepresenting the "real" price
which frankly is just what people intend do when they claim Daz studio is "not really" FREE.

You can get the FREE Daz studio
get the FREE Vic/Mic Clones
scour the various user communities for FREE textures,props Clothing sets,
or Use the Afformentioned Wings 3D& Gimp.blender etc etc. and create your own Content.
If you dont believe this is  possible just visit the Daz Forums,freepository and galleries and see what is being created& rendered at no cost  beyond hardware & time spent

which is a GOOD thing in this economy  IMHO

This attempted trick of arbitrarily Picking, expensive ,optional third party DS add ons and trying to convince people that they represent the true cost of Daz studio  does not fool anyone and only Exposes the claimants anti-Daz agenda.

and your Car example is rather silly as a car with no usable steering Equipment can not be considerd a usable vehicle by any  sane standard

a Free 3D figure posing and rendering program with no Dynamic cloth or FBX plugin included for free can still meet a certain useable standard and functionality just as poser did for many years before getting such features.

cheers

While I agree with most of what you said wolf359, I think what ppl are getting at is that to compare DS and Poser apples to apples, some money needs to be spent on DS, that's all ;o). But of course it can be used as-is with the free version.

Laurie

Quote -  I think what ppl are getting at is that to compare DS and Poser apples to apples, some money needs to be spent on DS,

Laurie

Agreed  Laurie

but people should consider that not every D/S user is a former poser user  wedded to having his former functionality
many over their are stereo typical > CLICK/LOAD & RENDER users
this notion of :
"to get up to the functionality of poser you must buy..blah blah." is a Poser users concern
the "Lifelong" DS user simply does not care about what poser can do
nor should he care  as long as he can render his premade figures morphs, props lights etc to his/her satisfaction.

Cheers

Quote - but isn't Miki3 equipped with a custom rigging system made for POSER 8 and Pro 2010 only?  And as was mentioned earlier "It was stated today that the V5 figures are LOD. That means not only would Poser have to develope the wieghtmap rigging but also the SubD as DS to take full advantage of the new figures. It is the same as V4 in that regard. V4 is LOD in DS only."So are these two new developments healthy competition or a sign that the two companies are slowly moving in exclusive directions ?

Yes and no. IMO. Like V4, Daz will sell V5 that should work with Poser. They say they are working with other software companies. So you can assume that SM is one. That's half of DAZ's clients and it would hurt them if Poser users had to drop Daz's new figures. That would mean less money for development of thier own software. But you can't blame DAZ for not moving forward and leaving Poser behind if Poser can't keep up with the new tech

Miki 3 is a bad example. Very disappointing. Yes the rigging is a bit better but not much and those shoulders and chest side caving is atrocious. The DS users that complain about Miki 3 being P8/PP2010 only are just complaining and it also gives them ammo to throw in Poser users face when talking about the new DAZ figures/content may not work well in Poser. Bad for everyone. Lets face it, we have been spoiled with DAZ figures and if you can't make a figure comparable to thiers and only works for the latest version on one brand. You have lost the race. 

I do think in time DAZ will have to leave Poser to continue on the development path they have chosen. I don't think that will be for some time, but will eventually happen.

dph

Quote - I still prefer Posette!  Remapped PosetteV3 with Nanette Tredoux custom made hair, the Nelly Bly Coat Freebie, and my own Custom made hat (Done in Max).  The pose is one that i'm working on for her to grasp the steering Wheel of a ship.

dph

Uh....posted in the wrong thread?

Laurie

No, just showing that I have and like Poser Pro 2010, and especially since its IDL makes my beloved Posette shine all the brighter!!!  And as far as content is concerned, I'm making a lot of my own nowadays!!

dph

Quote - > Quote - I will never get why thay made D/S to work just like Poser.

Poser ,D/S is 10 times more difficult to use than it needs to be.

That seems to be changing. It was stated today that the V5 figures are LOD. That means not only would Poser have to develope the wieghtmap rigging but also the SubD as DS to take full advantage of the new figures. It is the same as V4 in that regard. V4 is LOD in DS only.

I think the OP has a major flaw. But only SM and DAZ can say for sure and they are not saying anything. Except DAZ showing us V5 for DS. She does look good.

Got a link to the V5 ?

Drives me insain to try to work on a 60,000 poly count mesh

Attached Link: V5

click on the V5. Page 43 shows her but there are a couple of other images through the whole thread that also show how her joints look posed as in hand and shoulders.

Quote - > Quote - but isn't Miki3 equipped with a custom rigging system made for POSER 8 and Pro 2010 only?  And as was mentioned earlier "It was stated today that the V5 figures are LOD. That means not only would Poser have to develope the wieghtmap rigging but also the SubD as DS to take full advantage of the new figures. It is the same as V4 in that regard. V4 is LOD in DS only."So are these two new developments healthy competition or a sign that the two companies are slowly moving in exclusive directions ?

 

Yes and no. IMO. Like V4, Daz will sell V5 that should work with Poser. They say they are working with other software companies. So you can assume that SM is one. That's half of DAZ's clients and it would hurt them if Poser users had to drop Daz's new figures. That would mean less money for development of thier own software. But you can't blame DAZ for not moving forward and leaving Poser behind if Poser can't keep up with the new tech

Miki 3 is a bad example. Very disappointing. Yes the rigging is a bit better but not much and those shoulders and chest side caving is atrocious. The DS users that complain about Miki 3 being P8/PP2010 only are just complaining and it also gives them ammo to throw in Poser users face when talking about the new DAZ figures/content may not work well in Poser. Bad for everyone. Lets face it, we have been spoiled with DAZ figures and if you can't make a figure comparable to thiers and only works for the latest version on one brand. You have lost the race. 

I do think in time DAZ will have to leave Poser to continue on the development path they have chosen. I don't think that will be for some time, but will eventually happen.

Well, it still remains to be seen if D/S4 will adopt Poser's new rigging. Of course, unlike DAZ Poser doesn't really push it's figures, so DAZ actually has the upper hand  when it comes to determining what will and won't work with D/S. Poser, on the other hand, is DAZ's bitch in that regard.

Quote - Well, it still remains to be seen if D/S4 will adopt Poser's new rigging.

Why would they? They might but why. For one poor, rigged figure? They are better off sticking with thier new flagship tech and make Poser conform. If people want better figures they will learn to adapt by either finding a way to use them in Poser or migrate to DS or deal with what they have. It's obvious after Miki 3 that they don't have any competition in figures.

Before anyone freaks. Antonia is a great figure but not competition to DAZ.

Quote - Why would they? They might but why. For one poor, rigged figure? They are better off sticking with thier new flagship tech and make Poser conform

Agreed I assume everyone has already seen THIS

also It has been hinted By Bagginsbill  that there is new revolutionary figure tech coming from SM as well so big changes ahead for all.

Cheers

alexcoppo wrote;> Quote - A word about Studio being free: Studio base is free but even the most trivial task requires plugins which are in most cases commercial.

The most trivial task requires plugins? That statment is simply ridiculous.

alexcoppo wrote;

Quote - When I was thinking of gettting Poser I did a check of how much it would cost to replicate the functionality and I discovered how much Studio does actually cost.  

Morph target thru OBJ file: Morph Loader (10$)

It cost me $1.99

alexcoppo wrote;

Quote - Rigging:Figure Setup Tools (30$)

It cost me $14.68** **

alexcoppo wrote;

Quote - Dynamic Clothes: Dynamic Clothing Control (50$)

It cost me $17.49

alexcoppo wrote;

Quote - I bought Poser 8 for 104$ during the last Smith Micro sale and the above list amounts, just by itself, to 90$.

As long as you are talking about sales, I got the above for $34.16 That's a whopping $69.84 less than you paid for Poser 8.

Even if I add in what I paid for DAZ Studio 3 Advanced, $52.49, the total comes to $86.65. That's still $17.35 less than you paid for Poser 8.

alexcoppo wrote;

Quote - Remember also that Poser can drape any "cloth" while Studio can only handle specific (and not cheap) content.

Actually Poser dynamic clothing here in the Market place is priced about the same as dynamic clothing for DAZ Studio.

** **alexcoppo wrote;

Quote - Still thinking that Studio is so great?

Absolutely!

My entire point is that you can bandy about numbers and features until it's pointless.

The fact is Poser has features that DAZ Studio doesn't, and DAZ Studio has features that Poser doesn't. They are on about equal ground, which one you choose depends which feels more comfortable, if you want features the other doesn't have or any other number of reasons. Not because one is better than the other.

I thought we were all past the "my program is better than your program" thing. Guess not. :rolleyes: Can't we all just get along? :biggrin:

I've been using Poser since Poser 3 and I still love it, though I will admit the only reason I have Poser 7 is for using the cloth room to make morph targets for import into DAZ Studio, and because Bloodsong's Heavy Horse for some reason doesn't work in DAZ Studio. The main reason I use DAZ Studio instead of Poser is workflow. The gui just works better for me. Simple.

RorrKonn, if I remember correctly, the polycount is either 17,000 or 19,000.

Coldrake

Quote - also It has been hinted By Bagginsbill  that there is new revolutionary figure tech coming from SM as well so big changes ahead for all.Cheers

Or was it just a hint that SM will be adding wieghtmap rigging to use DAZ figures. Or I missed a different hint by BB in a different thread.

Quote - Agreed I assume everyone has already seen THIS

I hadn't seen that.  Pretty cool, really.  Thank you!  :D

The only reson Poser is still around after be boult n sold more times then I can count and D/S even exist is The 99% Hobbyist that buy the merchandise is the only reson that Poser or D/S even exist

The out dated 1902 Poser and D/S are both worthless with out a stocked runtime.

Most the time I could not tell you if it's a Poser or D/S Render.

And thank the Gods of Art that the Poser D/S Merchants are very very kool.
Thay make us look good don't thay.

http://www.turbosquid.com/ Real Scary Place.