Quote - > Quote - I know I will get slammed for this, but multiple versions are going to kill this figure and just add confusion. Its a fork in the road basically. The one path is constant updates and upgrading (which I have nothing against) Vs the general public wondering what is going on.

No offense, but for a very long time, every DAZ figure has come out with the default version + a lo res version + a blank developement version. These are all "Support" figures. Why on earth would having a Walk Designer version for developing poses for the Official version kill Antonia? It's a support version. Many figures have come with support versions in the past and have been more than successful. In fact, I'd venture to say that any figure that hasn't come with support and development versions has had piss poor support.

I may not have any memory but didn't (doesn't) Posette (P4 Nude Woman) have multiple versions for her too? EVE and all the others that were modified to work with better more advnced mapping and updated mesh for genital details etc.?

I know I was confused by all that. Just when I thought I finally got a hot Posette I had to find something els to either make her work or try one of the other versions.

The developers got through this problem and variations of Posette are still out there being used. People got used to wading through the variations of her to get what they needed and she managed to please a lot of users in the community for a long time. Of coure she was an industry standard with mucho support both in private and corporate sector but users got the idea. If you recll she had suh a large following until very recently her fans had a big site dedicated to her: POSETTE FOREVER

I am sure it will eventually work with Antonia......if you get the following now.

As a dunderhead, what I think would make it easier for me would be this:

A permanent DL site with:

Antonia 1.0.0 or whatever updated variation developed with a clear statement this version it is for regular posing and rendering ONLY.

For use of anoni in: Whatever app or function DL one of these:

Antonia-WW

Antonia Mimic

Antonia-PuppetMaster

Atonia-Walk Designer

Etc.

Forget the numbers or if you want to include numbers to mark version updates proceed it with the word "UPDATE" and a note to read the Readme for explanation of use.

That way if I don't give a hullablloo about WW or WD or whatever she is going to be used for I can just step over it, under it or around t to the newest version of the dolly I want to play with.

Simple enough a third grader can figure it out....I think!  :o)

I could go ahead and upload NanaMae as is, she works on both versions of 1.0 and if anyone finds she needs tweaking, they can do so freely. :)

Would that work?

Quote - I could go ahead and upload NanaMae as is, she works on both versions of 1.0 and if anyone finds she needs tweaking, they can do so freely. :)

Would that work?

I thought you said in an earlier post she doesn't work with the current version of Antonia?

If that is the case what kind of tweaking will be required? Afterall some of us may not be as proficient at doing that.  :(

Oh never mind dear I failed to note a more recent post from you.

@shante:I edited my INJ files and she works fine for me with both versions.

What I meant was that, not having her tested by anyone else, there may be some little thing that needs adjusting.

So if anything is found maybe someone with better morphing skills could feel free to tweak it if they want.

All the morph work I did on her was in Poser 7 with the putty tool. :)

BTW:She now has a separate head morph, a separate body morph and both together as a full body morph.

I know some folks may like just the head morph and want to do a body on their own, or like the body but not the head, while others may want one click to do it all. lol.

Well, I gave Antonia-WW the code name 'Rose' right to the bottom of the runtime as soon as I downloaded it, to ensure I would not get errors due to Poser taking the wrong geometry file or me trying to use the wrong poses or add-ons. Left out the texture files as they are identical and can be used by both versions.

I don't care what you call me. Just don't call me late for dinner. ;)

Antonia developement for end users has always been confusing. I downloaded her several times, and each time I did, another update was released, so I never bothered to install the earlier versions. Finally I gave up, just awaiting the final release.

I snagged her, and of course there was another update.. LOL! WW support though IMHO was a major feature update, as was adding the needed injection channels. (Both are sort of basic features kind of really needed for a successful figure release.

That said, personally, I'd like to bury 1.0 in a landfill somewhere with the old atari ET cartridges, if nothing else to bury confusion, and to give ODF a well deserved rest. Get antoniaWW out there, and run for the HILLS!

Its so frustrating after a long developement period to think you are done with something, and then have to go back in work on it again, just days later.

I feel your pain!

Kick out antonia ww (however the hell she is named) and let's pop the corks and celebrate!

Ears not working at all in Poser Pro 2010.

All the best.

LRoG

I have rendered the ears from many angles, moved the head around, applied open mouth morphs. But I have yet to see a problem with Antonia or Antonia A, in poser po 2010. Care to explain more?

Tried on Antonia and AntoniaA.

Load up AntoniaA

Use Elf ear INJ option.

Select Head, none of the 7 ears options as mentioned in the read me.

Got the:-

Nod, Turn, Tilt options.

Scale options.

Utils:-  Brown gone, HeadGrow options

Expressions there, but.......

It renames the mouth open option to elfears1.

Use the elfears1 option and it just opens her mouth.

All the best.

Richard

Back again and of course you where busy.

As for the naming: Whatever you decide, odf, is good enough for us LOL But as you already wrote that 2.0 is not your favorite I can say that I am glad about it. Somehoe 2.0 really sounds like a major upgrade or, worse, as a sidegrade.

I've got mail from PhilC and will now go and test WW2 and some clothes.

This

<em>Ears not working at all in Poser Pro 2010.</em><br></br><br></br>left me completely clueless. Maybe you can be a bit more specific.<br></br><br></br>Edit: Ahhh... crosspost! Where did you load the elf-ears morph and how old may it be?<br></br>Maybe you picked up something that was made for a far older version... But if<br></br>you desire some simple elf ears it should not be too hard to build some.

pan--i just updated my ear morph files (since Antonia1.0's channels stop at PBMCC_49)  try downloading again & see if they work now.  i had them on channels that are only in the WW versions.  -jan-

Got Anatonia from Anatonia site, version dated  2011-02-11.

Got ears from Rendo free section earlier today.

All the best.

Richard

Quote - pan--i just updated my ear morph files (since Antonia1.0's channels stop at PBMCC_49)  try downloading again & see if they work now.  i had them on channels that are only in the WW versions.  -jan-

Where can I download these morphs?  I tink I missed the link announcement, with the thread moving so fast.  :lol:

Quote - > Quote - pan--i just updated my ear morph files (since Antonia1.0's channels stop at PBMCC_49)  try downloading again & see if they work now.  i had them on channels that are only in the WW versions.  -jan-

Where can I download these morphs?  I tink I missed the link announcement, with the thread moving so fast.  :lol:

Hey dude,

just up at Renderosity Freestuff !

they're in Free Stuff here now.  you didn't miss the link cuz i didn't post it.  Updated so they should work on 1.x any version (except Lo)

Downlaoded and installed latest version and Anatonia now has ELf ears to play with!!!

Many thanks for solving the problem.

All the best.

Richard

glad that worked!

Hey guys,

I'll try to get the 1.2 version (a.k.a. WW update) out this weekend. Too busy until then.

I have a question: Is anyone else here trying out the WW2 plugin for Antonia? If so I have a qustion or, in other words, would like to know if only I am too clumsy to get panties (bikini, underwear) to fit Antonia (when posed) or if this is a general problem. So far I can't even inflate the pants enough to not have pokethroughs or, if the thigh is bended, I have a distorted buttock.

Quote - I have a question: Is anyone else here trying out the WW2 plugin for Antonia? If so I have a qustion or, in other words, would like to know if only I am too clumsy to get panties (bikini, underwear) to fit Antonia (when posed) or if this is a general problem. So far I can't even inflate the pants enough to not have pokethroughs or, if the thigh is bended, I have a distortet buttock.

Seeing how much trouble amy_aimei went through to get this kind of garment fitted to Antonia, I'd wager a guess that it's a general problem, due to Antonia's JCM-heavy setup. But I don't know anything about WW2 and what it does with JCMs, so I may be wrong.

Iwill try to fix some renders showing my problem so that you might get an idea if it depends on Antonia's setup or if I do something wrong.

Wish I could play but I wasn't a key player so I didn't get the WW support files. Been a WW user since version 1 but Antonia user since only 0.9.126.

Quote - Iwill try to fix some renders showing my problem so that you might get an idea if it depends on Antonia's setup or if I do something wrong.

Thanks! I found that all my clothes are for Vickies, and I do not have the necessary WW2 extensions. Since Antonia will have WW support, I'll probably buy those at some point, but for now, I can't test. So if you shared your findings, that would be useful.

You need to be very careful to use the correct Antonia for this. You need to see a waist actor, and the figure name has to be "Antonia" (without any number appended).

ETA: I wonder if we should do this by email, or at least in a different thread.

I am just doing some renders.

A new thread or the "technical thread"?

As you do not have the Victoria-support files: WW2 ships with support for Jessi G2 and other native Poser figures. I will look if there is a pant included with Poser for these figures.

@Steve:It wouldn't have done any good for me to get the support files, I don't have WW...lol.

I decided to wait to upload Nana Mae until odf posts the final APG.

Oh - I forgot: I made sure to use the right version of Antonia, that was the first thing I double-checked.

Well whether I get it free or have to pay, I will be getting a WW license for Antonia. Oher than a few toons, I don't think I'm missing any Human licenses except for Miki 3. I think Saint Fox should start our new Antonia Users thread with Wardrobe Wizard renders.

In other words: You would like me to open another thread and follow and post to it as well  sigh... double-sigh I think I will never ever start to do commercial work again LOL

At the moment I still have to do lots of testing and tweaking that, IMHO, does not belong into the public. But as soon as everything works I will see what I can do, okay?

I guess I should have used a smilie after to show I tease.  Sowwy.

...and I used a LOL  to make sure that you do not think that you bothered me (that must be the german in my that makes me appear so serious and humorless...)

Quote - ...and I used a LOL  to make sure that you do not think that you bothered me (that must be the german in my that makes me appear so serious and humorless...)

:P :P :P

I didn't say anything!

I've got the same trouble odf has, though: no clothing of which to speak.  :scared:  I've tried converting some of the P4 and P5 clothing, but I think I don't quite have the hang of it yet. 

LOL! So All the people picked to test WW support don't have any clothes to actually TEST it on? Maybe I should be a "Key Player". :tt2:

Quote - LOL! So All the people picked to test WW support don't have any clothes to actually TEST it on? Maybe I should be a "Key Player". :tt2:

"I mock you with my monkey pants."

Quote - > Quote - LOL! So All the people picked to test WW support don't have any clothes to actually TEST it on? Maybe I should be a "Key Player". :tt2:

"I mock you with my monkey pants."

Mock Away. You have PM.

Quote - LOL! So All the people picked to test WW support don't have any clothes to actually TEST it on? Maybe I should be a "Key Player".

Sorry, SteveJax.  :sad:  I'm a techie and a tinkerer, not really a maker of pretty pictures.  :lol:  And I'm a skinflint.  I've only ever bought the Vicky 1 clothing pack, back in 2000, which I barely used. 

Quote - "I mock you with my monkey pants."

I don't know what it means, or the source of this quote, but it may be the best reply ever.  :lol:

Quote - > Quote - "I mock you with my monkey pants."

I don't know what it means, or the source of this quote, but it may be the best reply ever.  :lol:

Oz quote from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"...

Apparently, the monkey is the only animal cracker that wears clothes, and so all the other animals are jealous.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - "I mock you with my monkey pants."

I don't know what it means, or the source of this quote, but it may be the best reply ever.  :lol:

Oz quote from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"...

Apparently, the monkey is the only animal cracker that wears clothes, and so all the other animals are jealous.

Very appropriate response for a Wardrobe Wizard topic. I'll see your Monkey Pants and raise you a squirrel in my pants.

Here's Antonia in the A3IDOL ensemble, which I guess was meant for Aiko 3?  The conversions are coming out well on the higher-resolution clothes I've tried.  Obviously here the JPs on the shoes will need some tweaking, and the undies (at least) need to have the JCMs activated.  But the out-of-the-box results are good!  :thumbupboth:

Also seen here: The Kozaburo Short Hair Evolution hair piece.

I didn't know there was a difference in pants. I know there's a difference in fannies. :blink:

Quote - I didn't know there was a difference in pants. I know there's a difference in fannies. :blink:

British trousers <-> American pants

British pants <-> American underpants

Strange that I haven't picked up on that watching the British show "Shameless".

the british use "pants" as the thing they wear under their "trousers".  rumour has it they also were the inventors of the "7-day pants" - a very economical and labour saving idea, one might add.  oops =  crosspost w/odf.     in resp. to following posts, one can only say there's usually nothing beneath the underpants that one can discuss in polite company.

however, i should try this antonia obj file in c7pro - it appears the zero cr2 pose has non-zero bend at elbow.

So what are British Underpants?
Banana Hammocks?

8 )

The clothing is not coming out with the Hip cut as it is on Antonia.  The shorts here could just be the Hip actor, as that's all they cover, but they're cut into Hip and Thighs, like more standard figures.  I'm not sure whether that's affecting anything, positively or negatively.  Just an observation.

I'm running out of clothes to test, rather quickly.  :lol:

Wardrobe wizard, as far as I remember, will deal with the differences in scale, position and geometry, carry over the rigging, and can carry over morphs from the original item. It will not create the JCM's of the target figure in the converted clothing.

Antonia uses JCM's quite a lot, typically in a Z-type transition curve generated by a linear relationship with output values limited between 0.0 and 1.0. The thigh-bend JCM is zero for aft bending of the thigh, then linear up to output value 1.0 at 60 degrees forward, and then constant 1.0 for the rest of the movement.

If the clothing does not have the JCM's poke-trough will occur of course only if the JCM is an outward deformation. The thigh-bend JCM for example on close-fitting pants will cause poke-trough on the fore side of the hip and thigh only, because that is where the JCM has a deformation working outwards. On the aft side the JCM models the flattening of the gluteus, and there will be no poke-trough, but the bending will be as ugly as we know from existing models, or even more because Antonia's joint parameters were designed to work with the JCM. A tight pant will hang wide if the thigh is bent.

Guess the solution for converted clothing would be a set of JCM controlled magnets miming the JCM; something similar to the 'magnetize' poses that come with the CP's G2 figures and with Victoria4. For a real conversions of the clothing, fit for general use, there is no alternative but to develop the JCM's manually. This also provides the possibility to fix unrealistic stretch.

Quote - Antonia's joint parameters were designed to work with the JCM.

Just a remark: that is a plausible, but incorrect assumption.

The joint parameters were optimised for the figure before JCMs were even considered an option. I think that's probably a good thing, because there's a certain limit to what JCMs can fix.

WW is creating the JCMs, actually, but so far I haven't been able to get it to activate the slaving ERC in the BODY actor.  I'm having to edit the .cr2 to fix that.  I think we may be able to insert the ERC with a pose, if WW can't do it.  PhilC tells me WW can do it, so I'll read up on WW settings a bit.

I think Morphing Clothes may work well for converting the JCMs, in cases where the WW process doesn't cover things fully, but I haven't tried that with any WW-converted clothing.  I've used MC with other Antonia garments (including Amy_Amei's bikini), however, and had it work well.

I've realized that I can test using the P6-P8 clothing.  I'll try some of that tomorrow.

So far, most results are looking pretty good.  :thumbupboth:

P6-P8 clothing? Where the hell is that? My runtimes are a mystery.