Daz says V5 will not work in Poser 8 or Poser pro or Daz Studio 3. Daz Studio 4 should be able to run it. Smith will need to do an upgrade to get V5 to work on Poser.

I hope this isn't the parting of ways between Daz and Smith.

If that's the case, guess it's a figure I WON'T be buying from DAZ ... I wonder if they know how badly they're going to cut their own throats?

I am tired of this perpetual upgrading of the DAZ3D figures.

I stick with Poser.

The Poser talents really need to get their act together and come up with something comparable. I don't have much faith tho ;).

Laurie

what?

soon as V5 comes out, posers, Daz sudio 3, V2/3/4 and every other figure stop working...?

nope. so if v5 is that specific about whats needed to run it... risky. very risky.

In a related story, ham will now only work with green eggs....chickens are shocked...;)

Why would they shoot themselves in the foot by denying the biggest market they've got?

I hope the ability to use V5 is in the basic Daz Studio 4, as well as Daz Studio 4 Advanced. After a 30 day trial period, the Daz4 Advanced requires an additional $150.00. 

Daz isn't dumping Poser, it's saying Smith will have to make changes to its programs to use the V5 figure.

Quote - Daz isn't dumping Poser, it's saying Smith will have to make changes to its programs to use the V5 figure.

  Oh dear, and that tweak could also expose all other stuff to going wonky in Poser.  Tsk tsk tsk.

I'm not a huge fan of DS 3 so I'll stick with my Poser and my V4/M4/A4 & K4 characters that I already have.

Frankly, this will hurt DAZ a lot more than it will hurt SM

Quote - I'm not a huge fan of DS 3 so I'll stick with my Poser and my V4/M4/A4 & K4 characters that I already have.

Frankly, this will hurt DAZ a lot more than it will hurt SM

May hurt both ;)

Laurie

I can see what prompts this move, but from what I understand, there is already some dialogue happening between the SM people and the DS people to ensure compatibility. I'm sure after they've done lunch, they have up with more clever ways of divesting us of those hard-earned shekels. :biggrin:

To be honest, if all I ever used was what I already have, a new item every day for the next twelve years... just kidding. But I do have a ridiculous amount of stuff, both bought and freebies. And with people starting to do body morphs that don't use the ++ dials, there's still a lot of life in the ol' girl (V4) yet.

I'm actually dusting off V3... some new shaders are going to make her eyes sparkle just a bit more convincingly.

I've been thinking about doing the same thing, Robyn ... I always did love working with V3.

Old news. There has been a stickie at the DAZ common forum for quite awhile now. It's the what do you want to see in V5 thread. Or something to that effect.

Yes V5/the gen 5 figure will be DS4 only. In the first 10 pages of the thread you will find DAZ stating the fact and images of V5 morph and how the rigging looks and works. As in weight map rigging.

Daz also states that they are working with others to implement it into thier software. Rumours and a very small hint suggest that Poser will be one. The problem I see with this is Poser users will most likely need to buy another version of Poser. That or put up with DS4 to export the figure to use in the versions of Poser they have.

That's it. Get used to it. DAZ has gone with newer up to date tech and it's up to SM to follow or not. Since DAZ is going this route and are not going to worry over poser users.

I agree that SM should have put some real time into figures. Let's face it. Even the new Micky is still crap compared to DAZ figures. Better than what she was but I was very disappointed in her. Which is a real shame because DS users constantly use her and the P8 figures as an excuse as to why it's fair that the DAZ gen 5 figures will only work in DS4.

Quote - ...DS users constantly use her and the P8 figures as an excuse as to why it's fair that the DAZ gen 5 figures will only work in DS4.

Except for the small fact that the Daz business model absolutely depends on sales of content. While D|S may have it's own following, there are still more Poser than D|S users.

shrug

Laurie

I haven't seen the examples of the new rigging system, but I wonder how many people would be motivated to upgrade to a new program just for that feature. How many are going to find it that compelling? If they kicked in soft body dynamics as well maybe. OTOH, there have always been many complaints about the way the figures pose, spaghetti this and that, so if this solves the problem for you then it's time to pay the piper.

In reality I have enough stuff to last for years even if Daz disappeared tomorrow, so I'm not going to worry about it.

Are there now? Can you say for certain that it's not about a 50/50. Yes DAZ is a still mainly content site. But they can still sell you all that content that works in Poser and still push the new figures as well. I don't think DAZ went this way without checking the real facts.  I don't think any of us here know the real facts. Polls suggest Poser as the majority but I wonder how accurate they really are.

DAZ may be taking a bit of a risk. But if you want better bending and more versitile figures you will have to move on to the new tech. Actually it's not new but it is for these communities and thier software.

Hey, I'm not that thrilled about it as a Poser user but this is how it is going to be. You can except it or not. I bet it does not stop very many from still buying content for the figures they have from DAZ. I bet it will even get some to jump to DS just to use the new figures. So in reality, DAZ does not lose anything and has much to gain.

Quote - In reality I have enough stuff to last for years even if Daz disappeared tomorrow, so I'm not going to worry about it.

I have not spent much on content for a long time. I found that doing that has payed for my Modo and Vue infinity. And with Modo, I can model anything I see in the stores so I save even more money now. If DAZ or Poser went of the way of the Dodo, it would not have an effect on me. Except I would miss the forums that exist because of that software.

The images in the tread I mentioned shows the bending and it is a big improvement. So I do see many jumping ship. I won't jump ship but I will most likely add it to my tool box.

Quote - I have not spent much on content for a long time....

What? No shopping? Where's the fun in that? :biggrin:

Looks like I won't be bothering with V5 then..

I only use Poser for scene set up and figure creation before importing into Vue, if she won't work work in Poser, it's unlikely she'll import into Vue very well either.

Personally I think this will be a bad business move for DAZ, they will be cutting off a huge client base.

Anyway, I've got enough stuff over the years to last my tired old body out....LOL

Quote - > Quote - I have not spent much on content for a long time....

What? No shopping? Where's the fun in that? :biggrin:

It's all in the modeling baby! All in the modeling.

A couple of months ago a chicken flew the "Coop" er ah and after I gave some feed back on  the meta data creation tool they were testing for the library, he said he had to get back to the "Nines"

I never did figure out what he meant by that :b_tonguewink:

It has already been heavily hinted at elsewhere that Poser 9 will have weight mapping - and not just at DAZ. So, given that I upgrade Poser on day of release I'm really not worried about that.

The risk for DAZ is if they release before a new version of Poser and lose a lot of early sales - they may get them back later but the initial sales could be poor. The other problem for them is that a whole lot of users will be ballancing new rigging features against what they can do with the 4th generation figures and all the stuff they have bought for them.

Personally, as much as I like the idea of weight mapping, I can't even begin to consider buying all the same sort of stuff again just so that I can do the same things I do now but a little better. I have a solid collection of textures, I have a good collection of interesting morphs, I have an excellent collection of hair models, I have more clothes that I actually use. The cost/benefit ratio just isn't right for me. In fact, most of my spending now is on props and places and the new rigging doesn't matter one jot for them.

And who knows - perhaps, if SM really have gone with a new rigging system, they might find they are better at implimenting than they have been with the old and provide us with some nice new figures with the software. It could happen. Possibly. Maybe.

The point is, a new generation of DAZ figures isn't taking down the Poserverse just yet, so let's not worry.

Heavily hinted? The only hint I know of was the very little and brief one that BagginssBill posted here in a bygone thread.

It will be a few moons before this all happens anyways.

Eventually, almost everyone here will be complaining about V6 when it's announced that it won't work with apps that have worked fine with V5.

I'm still at Poser 6 and V3.  No DAZ Studio.  Never touched V4.

I've always upgraded the Vicky's because they are usually fun to work with and easy to use.  My Poser Pro 2010 runs very stable.  The last version of Daz Studio I used crashed like a ^$@!!. Guess I will go buy some more V4 stuff.

Quote - > Quote - ...DS users constantly use her and the P8 figures as an excuse as to why it's fair that the DAZ gen 5 figures will only work in DS4.

Except for the small fact that the Daz business model absolutely depends on sales of content. While D|S may have it's own following, there are still more Poser than D|S users.

shrug

Laurie

Correct Laurie as I have interjected into the thread going over at Daz about this issue it would be a very serious business blunder if Daz were to cut out poser users all together. The ratio of poser users vs. D/S users is much greater and cutting poser users out would cripple Daz sales on a very large scale to the point of hurting the company. It would be foolish for Daz to make the new Gen. 5 figures only usable in their own app. The same goes for SM they cannot afford to not move forward and accommodate the new Gen. 5 figures in a new version of poser because that is what it will take a new version of poser. SM would loose a huge chunk of change in poser sales since it appears they can't create a usable and likeable figure of their own. Right now I don't see any reason to be concerned about V5 and poser unless both Daz and SM have lost all sense of reality.

From all the saying I feel like the whole Poser - D/S evolution depends on just one strong product's name, Victoria!

We are not talking about the new D/S rigging system we are talking about how our new doll will look like with it in poser...

So is the whole poser-D/S community turns around just Victoria, or is this product the chance for our software to evolve?

However is the figures quality what matters? because right now we already have a better than V4 figure, Antonia (like we had Apollo before M4) we are already a step forward on rigging and it works both on poser and D/S. So is the collectors addiction what moves everyone from one version to another? (only the name is the same, everytime we get a brand new figure)

In the past, and now again, I see fear-mongers predicting dire consequences based on an assumption that SM-Poser staff are among the stupidest people on earth, who not only started stupid years ago, but have no ability to learn anything at all about marketing or technology. Such comments are not only distracting us from discussing important things, but I find them offensive.

I and a few dozen other lucky souls have just started playing with the next iteration of Poser and I'm absolutely not allowed to say anything about it because of NDA and they are really serious about this. So all I can tell you is this:

SM guys are very smart and I am impressed, not disappointed.

Talking about if/why Poser users should/would upgrade on the basis or assumption that only one new feature is offered is patently ridiculous.

I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

Relax.

I'm optimistic about the next iteration of Poser.  IMHO, they did a great job with the Poser 8 (including  Pro 2010) series and there were a lot of improvements - Library (including a great search feature), wxPython, Rigging Tools, Workflow/UI improvements, IDL and other things.

If weight mapping comes into play you will need the newest version of Poser to utilize it, obviously.  Things aren't going to get retro-fitted back to Poser 6.  Same goes with DAZ Studio 2 or 3 and you will wind up paying for some bits of Studio 4 as the free lunch there is a sampler for the bigger meal.

I don't have an issue at all with DS 3, as I do use some of it's tools, but I can say in all certainty that I am not interested in Studio 4 in it's current incarnation.  The layout and UI is not something that I want to use on a regular basis...  At least what I see at this point in time, though it is in beta.  It is just too simplied, large, "skittles" color coded and awkward with the vertical tabs (for me).  I don't care if V5 is so advanced that it will make me a pot of coffee and give me a back massage. :)

But to be honest, I'm more interested in the application and its workflow and features than any singular piece of content, such as a figure.

Quote - So all I can tell you is this:
SM guys are very smart and I am impressed, not disappointed.

Well... Yay!  :woot:  I've been waiting to be truly impressed and not disappointed.  :laugh:  Can't wait!

Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

To me this is a suprising position to take, would it be ok for you to say why?

Quote - > Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

To me this is a suprising position to take, would it be ok for you to say why?

You sure can ask, but I sure cannot answer. Mum's the word - lips are sealed.

All I can say is I like the new one so much more.

I use: Poser Pro 2010 (SR1).

In that case you have to update your tagline. :biggrin:

I'm very curious to the next update, I just hope we don't have to wait till Christmas. BTW: IIRC, V4 was released just after the shipping of poser7, so I expect something similar will happen again.

a good easterweekend to everyone,

Bopper.

Quote - From all the saying I feel like the whole Poser - D/S evolution depends on just one strong product's name, Victoria!

We are not talking about the new D/S rigging system we are talking about how our new doll will look like with it in poser...

So is the whole poser-D/S community turns around just Victoria, or is this product the chance for our software to evolve?

However is the figures quality what matters? because right now we already have a better than V4 figure, Antonia (like we had Apollo before M4) we are already a step forward on rigging and it works both on poser and D/S. So is the collectors addiction what moves everyone from one version to another? (only the name is the same, everytime we get a brand new figure)

If people would read the thread at DAZ you will know that V5 is just a figure shape that is formed from a main base mesh that ALL the other figures as in Michael/kids and so on are formed from. So it's not just V5. It's the whole gen 5 figures. One mesh all figures and so there is the figure mixer to be considered that is used to do this. Also DAZ has said in that thread at the commons forum that they are working on a clothing converter that will convert the v4 clothes to v5.

Antonia as good as she is is still only one figure.

To BB. I hope it is nothing I have said because I'm the only one here in this thread that has been defending the new system and I never once said that SM was stupid. I only said that there has only been a small hint besides what DAZ has said that P9 was going to work with the new system. Even now that you have again hinted it still leaves much up in the air.

I don't understand what the big deal is that SM couldn't just say that Yes we have gone this way as DAZ has already shown thier hand. Those that rarely upgrade won't care or will grumble that they will have to upgrade. But those of us that do upgrade all the time would at least know and have something to look forward to.

Well I think if it could be done in Poser and DS and the technology could be adopted to any figure, it's win-win.  So I guess we will see how that goes.  Right now, since .daz files are encrypted they have the home field advantage no matter what.  It also could be something directly built into DS that would only work with V5 or some kind of marker in certain files.  Hard to tell when your main format is closed off. ;)

Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

If anything's going to get me to upgrade to PP<next-version>, that statement will. I bought PP2010 based on your statements about it, BB. I'd better start saving up... :blink:

Well, I'd planned on updating when Poser 9 comes out (I usually do). Just hope one won't need Pro to use any new figure (tho I can't see that happeing). I can't justify my use of Poser at "Pro" prices ;). Other than that, if it comes that things won't work, I'll deal with it when the time comes, just like I do everything else...lol.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

To me this is a suprising position to take, would it be ok for you to say why?

You sure can ask, but I sure cannot answer. Mum's the word - lips are sealed.

All I can say is I like the new one so much more.

Then I am sure we will all like the new one much more :)

Quote - I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

Oooo...  Does that mean no SR2?

So if I have to choose between upgrading to Poser 9 (I'm not getting PP9) or v5, which should I do?

I'm a little on the frugal side, what can I say?

I would upgrade to the software which supports the whole range of figures of the V5 type first, before worrying about the actual V5 figure.

But, then, I'm not much on Vickies.  :lol:

I'm going to save my money for the release of P9. As for V5, I may not even bother. I would suggest that DAZ consider two versions of V5. One with the new weight map tech and one that would be compatible with earlier versions. They probably wouldn't do that, but it be a good idea to get as much bang for our of the V5 release.

Thanks BB

If they are asking you for feedback and suggestions- they cannot be stupid! A funny-but true comment. Thanks- now I know good things are in the works

Quote - "Quote - "
I cannot stand to use Poser Pro 2010 anymore. It will not be launched by me again except to test compatibility.

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Im a bit worried about this comment from bagginsbill, not because the new version of poser may be good, but because it feels like it is going to be the same beast with a couple of additions like most of the previous versions,bar a few. so im going to have to be very carefull when it comes to buying the new release, due to getting child v1.0 last year then upgrading to child v2.0 3weeks ago, so unless its something that will wow me im gonna have to continue my sabatical, atleast until child v2.0 can run itself,lol....(apparently child v2.0 upgrades itself over time to include a "make art" button)

All this is keeping me interested and excited. If whatever new figure Daz produces doesn't work with Poser, I won't be using the figure, but I am definitely interested in the new Poser.

Now I can't help but speculate on what Bagginsbill likes so much. Being Bagginsbill, it has to be something to do with the renderer. My hope is that Smith Micro has enlisted Bagginsbill into contributing directly to the materials room, the way they incorporated PhilC's wardrobe wizard before. That is my hope. Or perhaps, they improved the cloth room after the meticulous research done by ArtBee and Bagginsbill in a thread here? A materials room that is easier to use and a cloth room that actually works as advertised....that will make me upgrade. V5 is optional.

Agreeing vigorously and completely with Nanette on every last one of her points, including the lack of "need-to-have" over V5. Perhaps my lack of enthusiasm is due to that freebie-blob I downloaded from DAZ a few weeks ago that was presumably V5 in zygote stage.

You mean that april fools joke? LOL. I got a good laugh when I read the threads of those that DL'd that.

Yes, that. Of course, I fell for it. When you look up "gullible" in the dictionary, you see my face. :blink:

All this talk has got me to thinkin'...What was it Oddball said to Moriarty in the film "Kelly's Heros"?

Quote - All this talk has got me to thinkin'...What was it Oddball said to Moriarty in the film "Kelly's Heros"?

Could be > Quote - Don't hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning. Think the bridge will be there and it will be there. It's a mother, beautiful bridge, and it's gonna be there. Ok?

From -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065938/quotes?qt0497353
Or more likely

Quote - Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves.