A ha!  No, I didn't.  So the server's not running.  Insert blush here.

With Poser actually running, yes, the folder icon shows up.

I've opened Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html directly in Safari (yes, with Poser running this time), and I'm getting the whole sidebar without icons thing.

I opened http://127.0.0.1:11530/ in Safari, and it's showing only the following: a directory called nonVirtualAssets, a file called crossdomain.xml, and Mac OS's .DS_Store file.

I opened http://127.0.0.1:11530/assets in Safari, and it appears empty. I don't know if that was the case in Snow Leopard, but trying everything.

Also, when I open Poser Pro, I get the following error:

XML parsing error: 'no element found' at line 1

Related?

Continuing the investigation:

It appears as though Poser creates a web server on the localhost on port 11530.  That server root directory appears to be Runtime/ui/Flex/serverRoot/

If I open that directory in the finder, all I see is a nonVirtualAssets folder and a crossdomain.xml file.  It looks as though there should be an assets folder in here, too, yes?  Yet, despite its absense, I can still see http://127.0.0.1:11530/assets/addLibraryButton.png

A Spotlight search on my entire drive for addLibraryButton.png yields nothing.

Running LSMGUI.html in Safari without Poser running indicates that the Flex is looking for a Python script:  http://127.0.0.1:11530/apps/lms/api.py

Upgraded Python to 3.2.1, just in case Lion's pre-packaged version is incompatible.  No dice.

Tried this:  downloaded the addLibraryButton.png graphic, created a folder in serverRoot called "assets," and dropped it in.  Ran Poser.  The icon didn't show up, but it didn't show its "broken link" placeholder, either... it's just missing.

Uh-oh: after upgrading Python, my Runtime no longer shows up in the Lbirary tab... just "Downloads."  I can still load things from my Favorites tab, tho, so they're still there.  I try using the Search tab and... whoops.  Typing into the Search text box puts two characters in for every keypress (typing Victoria results in VViiccttoorriiaa), and trying to search on that produces the following error:

XML parsing error: 'not well-formed (invalid token)' at line 5

Ugh... what a mess.

Well, good news is, got the Runtime to show up again... couldn't see the "Show Library" field, but it's there.  Changed it to "."  I would try a re-install, but I don't want to run into those validation issues...

This is all falling under "knows just enough to do some damage:"

Popped open the Poser app using "Show Contents."  This virtual server that it's running appears to be wx 2.8?  Google is coughing up some stress between Lion and wx... something to do with Lion being 64-bit and wx being Carbon 32-bit?  It appears as though an upgrade to 2.9 could help?  I don't know if I'm feeling that adventurous...

The file api.py doesn't exist. The URL's you're looking at, for the most part, are virtual.

The Poser application server is not a web server. It's an application server. That means that strings map to procedures, not files. Hitting one of them invokes a procedure. Those procedures may, in turn, cough up a file, or may do a calculation.

As I said, even if there is an assets folder, I do not think the assets necessarily come from there. The only images I see in my installation are the category icons, and those are not being served to the GUI. The ones in the GUI are yellow when you select them. 

The GUI icons are layers in a PSD file, and are extracted by a procedure associated with the asset URL.

Similarly, the api.py is associated with a procedure and has nothing to do with an api.py file. In early development, I prototyped the server as an actual Python script, and the URL remained as an artifact of that early form of server. But the production server is embedded in Poser, not some external script file.

So it looks like the applicaiton server software is wx/wxPython?  If so, that might be the snag.  Version 2.8 (which it looks like Poser is using) is 32-bit Carbon, which apparently won't work in Lion.  Version 2.9 introduced a 32/64-bit Cocoa flavor that apparently is Lion-friendly.  I optimistically downloaded wx 2.9 and tried to swap out all of the scripts in the Poser .app file with the 2.9 versions -- hoping for a simple temporary work-around -- but Poser was having none of it.

Is it just the library as the problem? Because I note that semidieu has put an update to his library at rdna so maybe that would work with poser in lion.

Love esther

PS I'm still too scared to install lion even though I downloaded it.  I can't be without my poser and my python scripts.

Quote - So it looks like the applicaiton server software is wx/wxPython?

wx is a GUI library. It's not got anything to do with the app server. wxPython is the Python version of wx and there is no Python code in the server. Only the prototype was Python. There is no api.py - that's just a leftover name.

so if I install lion will my library (or semidieu's library) work, and will my python scripts work in poser pro 2010?  anybody know?

Love esther

Doing an Option(Right)-click on any of the icons in Safari gives an About Adobe Flash Player 10.3.181.34... popup, but Firefox/Chrome give About Adobe Flash Player 10.3.181.35... popups. I seem to remember somewhere that one of the differences between Firefox, Chrome and Safari was whether they used statically or dynamically linked versions of the Flash Player (I may have that wrong). If so, that may be one of the requirements broken in Poser by the 10.7 OS upgrade.

On the licensing issue, my upgrade-in-place to Lion forced several applications to require their serial numbers to be re-entered, though I had no particular problems with Poser other than the Library Icons.

I tried changing the Poser prefs to use the external library rather than embedded, but had no change in the broken icons in the AIR version from the embedded. I was prompted to install an update to AIR, but that didn't seem to make a difference. [NOTE: I haven't rebooted my system yet since that update, though]

Quote - so if I install lion will my library (or semidieu's library) work, and will my python scripts work in poser pro 2010?  anybody know?

Love esther

I think somebody who has technical abilities should let those of us who have no tech ability know weather Poser 2010 and or Poser 8 works with the New Mac Lion software.

Mac will of course say we do not give help with third party software.

Until I know  Poser works with Lion , Mac can keep Lion software.

Think about it estherau, all that time you can waist with lots of glitches.

Here's an excerpt from my Safari Activity window after loading LSMGUI.html [file size & Server Error added manually]

file:///Applications/Poser%20Pro%202010/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/AC_OETags.js
file:///Applications/Poser%20Pro%202010/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/history/history.css
file:///Applications/Poser%20Pro%202010/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/history/history.js
file:///Applications/Poser%20Pro%202010/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html#
file:///Applications/Poser%20Pro%202010/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.swf
http://127.0.0.1:11530/apps/lms/api.py                            3.8 KB
...[100s of lines deleted]...
http://127.0.0.1:11530/apps/lms/api.py                            1.2 KB
http://127.0.0.1:11530/assets/addButton.png                   Server Error
...[100s of lines deleted]...
http://127.0.0.1:11530/assets/upButtonImage.png           Server Error
http://127.0.0.1:11530/nonVirtualAssets/tab_tail.png        0.3 KB
http://www.contentparadise.com/api/search_params.aspx  7.5 KB

I can double-click on any of the lines "assets/XXX.png" and safari will open a window and successfully display the relevant icon. Maybe this indicates some kind of permissions/ACL (access control list) error within the flash player for the assets folder.

Having used Poser 8 on Lion since day one, I haven't really run into any problems I can't overcome.  The obvious problems I have run into are the above mentioned library glitch (though the library is still workable, problems with the eyedropper, and occasional rare onetime glitches which seem to have decreased with time (an occasional saved work copy).  Alll in all, I don't find that it has messed up my workflow and all of my scripts seem to work fine.  rendering speed seems to be the same or faster, Carrara and Poser seem to working fine, Bryce is, well, Bryce... I haven't opened Hexagon yet.

nemesis10 do your python scripts for poser work?

Love esther

PS saibabameuk the temptation gets stronger every day. I don't know how much longer I can resist it.

Intersting experiment result:

Tried loading file:///Applications/Poser%20Pro%202010/Runtime/ui/Flex/LSMGUI/bin-release/LSMGUI.html in various browsers in Lion.

Safari 5.1 + Flash 10.3.181.34: BROKEN

Firefox 5.01 + Flash 10.3.181.34: WORKS

Chrome 12.0.742.122 + Flash 10.3.181.35: WORKS

Anyway, I went ahead and tried to load content in Chrome by double-clicking a figure.  I got one XML error message... but from that point on, Poser loaded content from Chrome!  I guess a workaround for now is to use a Chrome window with LSMGUI.html as your Library.  I might actually prefer having it in its own separate app!

As an aside, I gavve Hexagon 2.3 a shot.  It appears to be a PowerPC application, and will not work in Lion.

Lion's attempt to restore windows for Poser seems to cause some confusion about poser documents double-clicked in the Finder. Poser offers to save the document you're attempting to open. Launching Poser also calls the opened document preferredState.pz3 rather than Untitled.pz3.

I did also notice the Eye Dropper screwiness in the Materials Room in Poser Pro 2010. All of my Python scripts work fine as far as I've tested.

Hexagon 2.5.1.52 is the latest Universal binary release and it works as well as Hexagon has ever worked since OS X 10.5.

Rebooting my system since updating Adobe AIR has still made no difference to the broken icons in Poser embedded or AIR Libraries or Safari.

Attached Link: Roaring Apps Link

I haven't installed Lion yet but I did email Basil (semidieu) and he said that there should be no problem with his python scripts in Lion.

I'm going to hold off upgrading to Lion due to some other software incompatibilities.

Here's the best place to go to check software compatibility and Lion...

http://roaringapps.com/

thanks dkal, I couldn't see poser pro 2010 on that list.

Good news about the python scripts as my whole poser happiness depends on semidieu scripts.

Love esther

You are right, estherau, Poser Pro 2010 is not specifically listed (yet) at roaringapps.com. Only Poser 8 is listed.

That website is a wiki so that just means that nobody running Lion has added Poser Pro 2010. Perhaps someone here in this thread would like to add Poser Pro 2010 at roaringapps.com?

Quote - Bryce is, well, Bryce...

LOL

Quote - Anyway, I went ahead and tried to load content in Chrome by double-clicking a figure.  I got one XML error message... but from that point on, Poser loaded content from Chrome!  I guess a workaround for now is to use a Chrome window with LSMGUI.html as your Library.  I might actually prefer having it in its own separate app!

Good find! I rather like this as a solution. It seems faster on scrolling than the edefault Poser library window, and as a bonus, you can run Chrome full screen and swap between it and Poser nicely.

Although probably a discussion for another thread, the Hexagon .1.52 public beta is no longer available for download, and the latest stable-release (2.5.05) will neither install nor boot under Lion.  I even purchased the 2.5 Upgrade version today as an experiment.  No go.

Attached Link: http://www.avforums.com/forums/apple-mac/1491930-virtualbox-lion-running-snowleopard-guestos.html

VirtualBox in Lion Running SnowLeopard As GuestOS

Using firefox for my library and it seems to work fine. Must be the poser library is the issue with the flash thingie... see how technical I am!

Quote - Using firefox for my library and it seems to work fine. Must be the poser library is the issue with the flash thingie... see how technical I am!

Hi are you saying that you have loaded the Lion programe and you are having no issues with Lion and that Poser 2010 is working fine?

I am using lion, and now use firefox as my library once Poser Pro 2010 is open and I get the full library with the correct layout and icons. I have used it to load the content and it worked.

Thats what I wanted to here! are you sure?

This is not another joke dr to dr who?

You see don't get me wrong but I never trusted a Dalek in my life. 

Lol! I, fortunately for you Terran, have the "human factor". Well it works for me in firefox fixing the icons thats all I can say... It does not work in Safari, so it must be something in the way poser and safari use flash. Now back to being the supreme beings in the universe!

Webkit is the actual HTML rendering engine behind Poser (on the Mac) and Safari, so it's no surprise they are both experiencing the same change introduced by Lion. Both the Poser Library, and the Poser Content room, are implemented via Webkit. 

When Poser is on a Windows PC, Webkit is not there - instead the core HTML engine of IE is used, which is why Poser and IE also share configuration settings and experience similar or identical problems when something isn't right, just as Poser and Safari are both showing a difference under Lion.

Now that makes alot of sense Bagginsbill, maybe this is part of the ongoing flash/mac dispute? Who knows!

Thanks to Pauljtaylor for bringing up this firefox solution... I know Icons are a small thing but it does make Poser alot easier to use.

Quote - Now that makes alot of sense Bagginsbill, maybe this is part of the ongoing flash/mac dispute? Who knows!

Thanks to Pauljtaylor for bringing up this firefox solution... I know Icons are a small thing but it does make Poser alot easier to use.

Ok Guys to keep simple for the old guy, I can download Tiger however I need to use Fire Fox as my browser? is that right ?

It has taken me so long to use Poser as an animation tool I just do not want to screw it all up again.

wrong cat, it's lion.  let me know if it works for you.  (I haven't done it yet)

purrrrrrrrrrrrr

Why are you so interested in Lion? It doesn't offer anything important to people who are used to computers and are comfortable working with files.

Lion is going to make your computer more like iPad, and IMO that's a bad thing.

Interesting point... But for me I love my iPad and Lion makes my pc even more fun to use. I accept your point about familiarity, however anything that makes the interface more human is great.

Quote - Why are you so interested in Lion? It doesn't offer anything important to people who are used to computers and are comfortable working with files.

Lion is going to make your computer more like iPad, and IMO that's a bad thing.

It is simple ,I found in the past Apple update there programme say , Leopard , Snow Leopard, then they right software that will not allow you to use any but the latest software.

I lost so much software when they stopped , compatibility in the past."Classic" Mac OS

is a case.

I had to scrap my scanner and other hard ware.Found i could not get into old data, that sort of thing.

So if i keep up to date , I make sure that all my software is compatible.

I know you get uptight with us, sim i literate's but we do try!.

However I will take what you have said on board as always, your bloody good at all this stuff. thanks

Quote:- "Why are you so interested in Lion?"

I've heard lots of good things about it, and I am hoping (I have nothing to base this on) that it will be faster for photoshop, vue and poser, and snappier all round.

I love my mac and I have always been happy in the past with OS upgrades.

Love esther

I assumed that you'd heard good things about it - that is not an explanation of why you care. It can be safely assumed you care because there is something good about it.

I'm asking  - what is that? What improvement do you expect to experience? So far I've only read bad things - things that people who use computers as computers, and not sophisticated readers, find is a step down.

And it's buggy.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3230110?start=0&tstart=0

http://rhftech.com/blog/2011/07/mac-os-x-lion-it-just-works-sometimes/

http://www.viewshound.com/technology/2011/6/mac-os-x-107-lion-the-death-knell-of-the-mac-as-we

http://cyrilmazur.com/2011/07/is-osx-lion-a-joke.html

http://prconnections.net/comments-on-mac-os-x-lion/

http://labs.eweek.com/archives/lion-leaves-a-bad-taste

http://www.urtech.ca/2011/07/i-dont-like-mac-os-x-lion/

So many compatibility problems - this line from one of those articles scares me.

Quote - Apple is very quick to dump technology and let its users suffer.

As I said, I can't afford to have anything stop working. So I am not switching. 

I have a MacBook Pro and an iPad. I love my iPad. I would not love my MacBook if it behaved like the iPad. In fact, I'm annoyed by many things in the MacBook. For example, when I click on a zip file, I don't want it to unzip it I want to see inside. I certainly do not want it to unzip 15 copies as I have found it does if I click that zip file 15 times. Computers for idiots are cool, but I'm not an idiot.

there is no one single "can't do without" feature, but I read about lots of little enhancements.  And I like to keep up to date with my OSs. I always have done it that way in the past, and I trust apple to bring out something good.

You are right. The reality is I don't actually need it, but I have the feeling that I want it.  Time will tell if that feeling is a mistake because as soon as I know that my essential software will work then I will upgrade. (i've bought it already but just not installed as yet).

Love esther

Recently bought poser pro 2010 - just getting used to it. Had poser 7 on a vaio, no problems.

Have now just purchased a macbook pro to use with programs like this, and really enjoy this new experience...... I have updated to Lion and it is stressful that some programs have conflictions - but hell having used windows for so long - you get used to it

All I would like is for any technical user in this forum to advise how to fix the library glitch please ??

Just seems your all digressing from the topic to pick faults in computer manufacturers.....

bit lame dont you agree ??

Nobody knows how to fix it. I wrote the Poser library, but I didn't write Flash, or Webkit, or Lion, and so I have no idea why this isn't working, but it does have something to do with one of those three other things.

I asked SM management about it, but they're a little busy right now, and all I got was something mumbled about strict headers or something. Not enough to go on for a fix.

SIGGRAPH 2011 starts in a few days. Graphics teams have to focus on that or die. So we will have to let SM have a little time to come back to this problem.

okay, thanks.  I will wait.

but what about the semidieu library?  If that is the only problem with poser pro 2010 maybe the semidieu library would be an option.  I noticed he upgraded the  library just recently (maybe so it works in lion?)  anybody know?

Adobe has admitted that there are dozens of issues with their software under lion. They act like they are Lion bugs, but they are probably a combination of errors that just didn't show up before because of luck and maybe some policy changes apple made (which this is probably caused by). In the end, they are problems that exist with adobe software. In this case, it will probably be fixed with an update to Air, since it probably affects a lot more than Poser. 

estherau,

I believe that the new Shaderwork's Library Manager was updated because semidieu (Basil) added the new Runtimes Manager feature. Doubtful that Basil updated it for Lion. He has told me that he sees no reason for any of his scripts to break in Lion.

I'm not updating to Lion for a long time to come. Not because of the Poser GUI issue. Because there are incompatibilities with other software. I wish I could update now to Lion solely for the new versioning feature which sounds amazing!

Best of luck to you if you take the Lion plunge. Let us know how it goes.

dkal

Quote - > Quote - I'm sure we have an NDA we signed at the office, but I doubt it means anything this late in the game with Lion being released with the next 14 days. Can't test anything, left for vacation this morning. The last thing I was able to pinpoint was that adobe air was not communicating with poser. I could drag items to Poser, but could not click the library to change a pose for example. Tried rolling back adobe Air, but no success. Not really import for me, as i'm still with snow leopard for my main machine. But smith micro should look into it. Daz will have some a full plate on it's hands with Lion's real ease, seeing that a lot of the old installers will not work in Lion, because Apple dropped support of Rosetta. Thanks for everyone's help, Will check things out on my return from vacation,

 

It won't be a problem for DAZ, because they have absolutely no intention of addressing the problem.  I have done this dance with them since 2005.  They will continue to sell the products with a VISE installer & offer to give you your money back when it doesn't install, just like they do with the products with an OS9 installer (That they STILL sell.)

I guess DAZ's "solution" is to offer all the old OS9 and VISE installer items in "Buy It All Vault Sets," and then they will perhaps shortly discontinue these items altogether?

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I'm sure we have an NDA we signed at the office, but I doubt it means anything this late in the game with Lion being released with the next 14 days. Can't test anything, left for vacation this morning. The last thing I was able to pinpoint was that adobe air was not communicating with poser. I could drag items to Poser, but could not click the library to change a pose for example. Tried rolling back adobe Air, but no success. Not really import for me, as i'm still with snow leopard for my main machine. But smith micro should look into it. Daz will have some a full plate on it's hands with Lion's real ease, seeing that a lot of the old installers will not work in Lion, because Apple dropped support of Rosetta. Thanks for everyone's help, Will check things out on my return from vacation,

 

It won't be a problem for DAZ, because they have absolutely no intention of addressing the problem.  I have done this dance with them since 2005.  They will continue to sell the products with a VISE installer & offer to give you your money back when it doesn't install, just like they do with the products with an OS9 installer (That they STILL sell.)

 

I guess DAZ's "solution" is to offer all the old OS9 and VISE installer items in "Buy It All Vault Sets," and then they will perhaps shortly discontinue these items altogether?

That does appear to be the plan.  In my case, I think I already own everything in vault 1, 2, & 3, so in some respects, it isn't a big deal.

It is a big deal on the DAZ forums.  Daz is seriously building up some ill-will.

As far as Lion goes, I am currently passing on it.  OpenCL 3.2 isn't enough reason for me to update & I am not inpressed with any of the iToy "enhancements".

What's really odd is that by offering these old old products en masse at a discount, DAZ is now inviting a huge influx of potentially Lion-only Mac users who now have no way of installing (without even knowing) their recently purchased items unless they have access to an older Mac running an OS with the "classic environment" or Rosetta...

Quote - Why are you so interested in Lion? It doesn't offer anything important to people who are used to computers and are comfortable working with files.

Lion is going to make your computer more like iPad, and IMO that's a bad thing.

Simple answer - my work will take me there. Daytime duties include work for a Mac dev outfit, and future work is likely to be on QA. This may require me to upgrade to Lion on my big machine. I'll keep a Snow Leopard backup to hand, but I intend the upgrade to be one-way. So far, Poser is the only miscreant on Lion, and that is workable. Yes - I mix work and fun on the same machine. I only have so much space in the house ;-) Anyway, a Lion Gotcha for you. It involves the "resume" functionality: 1 Start Poser 2 Create a new document and save it. 3 Quit Poser 4 Delete the file saved in step 2 5 Start Poser 6 >> Crash this is with Poser Pro 2010. The solution is, if you are going to junk or move the last worked on file is to have a small Poser file, and open thatnbefore quitting. The only way to stop the crashes was to restore the deleted file, or have to create a dummy file and ensure Poser has seen that one before you quit.