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Subject: Wiki?


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bagoas ( ) posted Sun, 07 August 2011 at 2:40 AM

Thank you all for your comment and input.

As far as I can see I covered most of the issues. (Semi) final version is now up at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BagoasOfPersia/Antonia

If no serious complaints come before Tuesday I will push the text as it is now to Wikipedia content.


Acadia ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 1:06 AM · edited Mon, 08 August 2011 at 1:13 AM

Why are there so many Wikis now?!!! I'm confused!!!

This one was listed earlier in this thread:

http://posercontent.wetpaint.com/

Then there is this one that RobynsVeil just linked to in my thread in the Poser Forum:

http://www.poserpedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Poser_Content

And now I see Bagoas linking to this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BagoasOfPersia/Antonia

 

What is the exact link to  the new wiki that is going to be replacing the Renderosity one?

 

 

 

 

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Khai-J-Bach ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 7:30 AM

hope anyone putting work on wikipedia is backing it up.

they have a habbit of nuking pages just cos.



bagoas ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 11:54 AM · edited Mon, 08 August 2011 at 11:55 AM

We took Wikipedia simply because we needed a solution and had not heard about the other ones and also because the engine was the same as the engine used by the Rendo Wiki. Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a bad place to have Tony represented.

The wetpaint Wiki looks pretty silent and information out of date. The Poserpedia Wiki looks more up to date and may be a serious option. They may be inclined to accept a repository of links and specific Antonia info and tips. On the Wikipedia Page the 'receipt' to convert Antonia 1.0 content to Antonia 1.2 content is not 'encyclopedic' and will likely attract comment. From the prespective of Wikipedia, the community process that lead to the completion of Antonia is more interesting than the figure itself.

Note that on Poserpedia editing can be done only by people who are admitted for a specific task (ref.) which does make it not a Wiki but rather a shared site.


bagginsbill ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 12:11 PM

Wikipedia is not likely to let us use it for what we want. For example, there is no way they're going to let us collect shader links to Rendo and RDNA forum threads on Wikipedia.

Poserpedia seems to be a good place, but I have no reason to think it will still exist in 18 months. It seems to be the work of one person, despite the frequent references to "we" and "team".

Quote - The Poserpedia Editing Team will try our best to keep the general information up-to-date within Poserpedia

Yeah right - the history of every page I looked at is all by "Admin" - i.e. the owner Paul Özdemir.

But Paul is a smart guy. He placed an article in there about VSS long ago.

http://www.poserpedia.com/index.php?title=VSS

So maybe he's going to keep it running. I don't see how it is paid for, but maybe he is willing to pay forever. Or maybe he'll need donations.

Meanwhile, the wetpaint one is paid for by advertisements. But, again, even that may disappear at any time - soon as the business model is revealed to be full of holes.

I have a Google site that will never disappear as it is free, and I can make a new one in a heartbeat. The right to own/edit the site based on explicit rights management amounts to the same as poserpedia - a shared website.

The advantage of wiki is and always has been peer-reviewed and managed content. Anybody can type anything - anybody can trash it or spam it - and anybody who cares can undo the crap with a couple clicks.


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Winterclaw ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 12:29 PM

How about something like wikia, which is ad supported?

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SaintFox ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 12:29 PM

- and anybody who cares can undo the crap with a couple clicks.

Is it really so easy? When lookig up the Poser-history in the german Wiki I found that there was no e-frontier in the list (but, strange enough, mentioned in the text beneath the list). But as I am not sure when e-frontier bought and sold Poser I do not want to do any "enhaceworsing".*

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bagginsbill ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 2:01 PM

Quote - - and anybody who cares can undo the crap with a couple clicks.

Is it really so easy? When lookig up the Poser-history in the german Wiki I found that there was no e-frontier in the list (but, strange enough, mentioned in the text beneath the list). But as I am not sure when e-frontier bought and sold Poser I do not want to do any "enhaceworsing".*

Yes. For example, in bagoas's work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:BagoasOfPersia/Antonia&action=history

you can see each change that was made and next to it is a link that says (undo). You click that link and you undo all his work. Anybody can do it. Anybody can undo it. Anybody can undo the undo. It then becomes a battle.


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bagoas ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 3:28 PM

Quote - It then becomes a battle.

Yup, such is life with Wikis.

Again, Wikipedia was a quick choice of convenience, call it a forepost in a well visted area, and once th page is pushed from user-space it is under full attention of the bots.

However, any other permanent location providing more functionality for the community will do just as well, let anyone wanting to host it and maintain it please raise his hand. I do manage a webspace myself, but it is not my own domain and I can not let the owner pay for my pastime, so I can not raise mine.


RobynsVeil ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 4:26 PM

Whilst we're deciding the way to go, is there a means to backing up the current Rendo wiki pages? It's all just on a database, right? Something like MySQL: wiki runs on php, so it seems the logical choice. So, would it be possible to get the Rendo PTB to ball it up in a tar or something and send it to, say, BB? Or someone who might be interested to hang on to it until we get this sorted?

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RobynsVeil ( ) posted Mon, 08 August 2011 at 5:11 PM

I had applied for an account with poserpedia and Paul himself has answered my email. I asked him if there is some means to do a database insert into Poserpedia with Rendo wiki data. Thids is assuming that the Rendo site techies will be willing to ball up the data and give it us in one lump file. Seems the simplest solution. However, it might all be a bit of wishful thinking.

Who does one contact about the wiki data, anyway?

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bagoas ( ) posted Tue, 09 August 2011 at 12:57 AM · edited Tue, 09 August 2011 at 1:01 AM

No need to do this on database level. All you need is what you see on the page, and all that is on a page you see in code form when you open it for editing. I did not realize it was that simple until I tried it. You will not generally need to port the change log. The talk page is jut another page that can be transferred the same way.

The initial port to Wikipedia was simply copy the code on RRwiki and then paste in an empty Wikipedia page. If they are using Mediawiki, which is the industry default, the page will then show. Next thing to fix is the internal links. If there is an equivalent internal link in the new wiki, fix the reference to that. If there is no internal equivalent either change the text or make it an external link to the wiki you took the page from.

Making a page is even simpler. I spent more than an hour looking for a button 'make new page'. It isn't there. Simply type the address of the page you want to make. It it exists already, it opens. If it does not exist, you get a question if you want to make it.


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