I have tried and tried to give DAZ a brake. But this is it. As Mac users may be aware Apple updated their OS to Lion. As a result Bryce and Hexagon no longer work. I have been hanging on by a thread to Bryce for sometime now.

I have projects that are sitting and I'm not able to complete. The problem has been one bug after another with Bryce. I thought I would teach myself Hexagon. I was half way through the tutorals and now that program is not supported by the new OS as well. A waste of time and money.

i love the Bryce interface and still beleive it is the cleanest GUI's ever developed. But now it does not work. The program cashes at ever step.

So for now I must take the time again to learn a new progam. It's been alittle over a year seens I last uploaded anything. It will probly be another year before I upload again. 

I'm posting this to let the Bryce Group Mind know it's been the best comunitte I could have ever been a part of. 

If DAZ every gets it's act together i may be back. 

Bye for now

Vincent

The programmers are working with Apple on why its not working with Lion, in all basic theroy it should be working fine, far as I've heard Apple may have changed something in the OS that effects PPC type applications, if thats the case the programmers stated that Bryce "might" and I stress "might" have to be re-written from the ground up. So its all kinda up in the air right now, but I do knolw its being looked at seriously especially since Daz just got the new Hexagon version out the door.

I had an at long conversation with DAZ. That's how I came to were I am today. As they say I'll believe it when I see it.

Daz is hopelessly mired in managerial dogma, failed applications development and self congratulatory egotism bordering on the absurd.  They have been told many times by professionals in the graphic and programming arts the fallacy of their software development approach, to no avail.  They have ticked off lucrative vendors.  They have run off their customer base.  They have ridiculed experts in various fields which would have proven useful to their endeavors.  A behavior caused by the dogma of a very few.  Daz insists on reinventing (and screwing up) Bryce. They see their vision for Bryce as the only valid one.  They claim the current situation is not their fault.  No, it must be "them". They claim the program is too old, or the software is imperfect, or it needed to be fixed (boy, did they fix it). They make up any number of excuses to explain how they managed to take a decent piece of 3D software and turn it into a nightmare and graphic community laughingstock.  Yet even now, Bryce apologists say the advances are worth it.  Really?  It's not even a decent beginners program anymore.  Daz needed mature management and guidance.  Unfortunately, most of us no longer have the time or inclination to wait for them to discover that greater reasoning skills create greater responsibility.  Strident voices drown out reason.  Bryce and the Bryce community continue to suffer at their hands.  We wait for them to ask the right question, "Why did this happen?"

Well being a Mac user myself for over 20 yrs I know the frustration, The new version of Daz Studio no longer works either with PPC OSX Leopard, so when I do decide upgrade to an Intel based Mac with Lion I do want such things to work for sure.

Actually Bryce is really super old code, so its not as easy as it sounds to fix what mainly Corel messed up with version 5, yeah there's still bugs and yeah there need to be changes, but thats how it goes with software development. I've worked on Bryce since version 3, so I know all the "remodeling" of the app that has gone on, its a really daunting task, not sticking up for Daz or anyone I'm not one of their payed employees but I am in the "know" behind the scenes kinda things, not on their business end or anything, just development, its just one of those kinda hurry up and wait situations til they get everything pointed in the right direction, its all about the money so what makes the most gets the most attention at the time as far as development of each application.

Windows111 is a spammer yet again.

Graham Dresch over at the DAZ forums said it's possible to have a second partition with Snow Leopard installed.

Yup that is a "work around" until the issue with Lion is resolved.

I think I saw it for 295 Norwegian Kroner. That's about 25 dollars. Seems a reasonable enough sollution to me. If that wasnt just for the update.

I'm not sure, I'm just working with what I got that I know is working fine for now LOL!. I can only offer advice wether it be bad or good:-)

We need more BAD advice!:biggrin:

Gee thanks:-/ I helped start this website back in the day I just try to pitch in now and again when I can:-P Just kiddin around, I'll try and answer any questions I can:-)

Good! Thank you. Meaning of life?

The meaning of life is to live it before you die, and have fun doing it.

Clay/Dyret,

I read the rubberband fix over at Daz. I have no desire to partition my drive for a quick fix. The fact is this has been going on far too long over at DAZ. DAZ never seems to have it's act together. This is the only bit of software that has stopped working. For me at least it's time to move on.

I can totaly understand you!

I would just like Daz to fix the bugs in bryce and stop adding new features until they have done so. They also seem bent on adding stuff that nobody wants or needs such as the CMS in studio.

Cheers

GG

@ army4499

A statement such as yours would have been censored in the daz forums, I know because it happened to me . They will not listen to thier customers and when they get negative truthful feedback they sweep it under the carpet instead of doing something about it.

Cheers

GG

I think DAZ would get a lot less angry messages if they just came out in the open and told us what is being done to get Bryce working under Lion. As it is right now, none of us users knows HOW long we have to wait for a fix. We havn't even gotten an official message that ANYTHING is being done. We're given the silent treatment, and that is just frustrating. It's not a matter of national security, is it?

Let's just say they are going through a "transitional stage" right now, I just hope all of you will be patient I know its frustrating and annoying but its just all part of the process of business.

I guess I got out of bed a bit grumpy this morning, or its something to do with old age.

Cheers

GG 

I should think(and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I dont write this to have an arguement) that "a part of the process of business" would be information for customers. Looking at the DAZ Bryce forum it's been MONTHS since any new information. I'm not going after you clay. Hope you don't think so.

vncnt: I'm on the same page with you regarding the endless waiting periods between upgrades, and the bug-infested releases. I've not been able to use B7 Pro since they broke the materials lab, supposedly fixed it months ago, but have yet to release the fix (for Snow Leopard!). Now with the release of Lion, that can has been kicked way down the road. DAZ needs to face reality, get its house in order, cut its losses and sell this software. They're clearly in over their heads.

There is NOT a fix for the materials lab for any version. Pc or MAC. But i must say that I really like B7. I'll continue to use it on my PC. Just wished I could use it on my shiny new MacBook Pro :rolleyes:

Its coming please be patient, its being looked at.

yes. a few of us will soon be patients :biggrin:

Quote - There is NOT a fix for the materials lab for any version. Pc or MAC. But i must say that I really like B7. I'll continue to use it on my PC. Just wished I could use it on my shiny new MacBook Pro :rolleyes:

Maybe not. What I meant was the "Pictures Lab."

me too

That problem has been fixed, it'll be in the next release. But it works again like its suppose to. when that release will be is unknown at this time.

Just a little patience for the patients

Let me sprinkle a bit of computer wisdom for those frustrated.

First a major O/S upgrade will always result in incompatiblity with any software, so that is why it is always recommended that you check and make sure your software is going to work with the latest software, before you upgrade.

Developers spend a lot of time and effort making sure their software works on current O/S.  Unfortunately there is no magic wand or crystal ball that will let them predict how the software will behave with a future O/S, best efforts are made to stick with standards.

The above statement is true with any O/S not just Lion.  Not all developers have access to pre-release copies of an upcoming O/S to ensure nothing is going to break.

In this Case the O/S in question is Lion and the problems are not isolated to Bryce, all you have to do is read on tech sites and blogs and some even recommend that you do not upgrade to Lion because of all the things that it breaks. Apple is known to release Software or O/S with major changes that causes incompatibility with current software, this is a known fact and you can read about it everywhere. 

I dont work for Daz and I'm not affiliated with them, but we need to be level headed and not jump to conclusions when their products start crashing on an O/S that was released, a couple of weeks ago.

Apple dropped using Rosetta, but the carbon base is still there, here's a quote from Apple's website" **Normally, applications intended for Mac computers based on PowerPC processors don’t work on Macs based on Intel processors. But if you install Rosetta, you can use applications intended for PowerPC-based Macs."
**

Ok so after some further research and feedback from Apple users, there is an obvious problem with LION, and its not just effecting a few apps its effecting a lot of things, hopefully this won't be like the release of V 7.6 years back, that was a big mess, so on that note Apple seems to have dropped the ball on this one. A lot of users have told me they returned lion to get their money back and either reinstalled snow leopard or leopard.

So what do I do? My machine came with Lion

I dunno dryet, downgrade? I dunno contact Apple is all I can say.

yeah. this is no fun!

@Clay:  Thanks for confirming what I said in my original post about LION.

Just an FYI. You can't down grade. If your Mac came loaded with Lion you can't install any OS below that which came with the laptop. I tried to reinstall my old OS  and was told that the install disk is no longer compatable with this computer.

I have now tried the load to an external HD angin the some problem. The computer wouldn't accept the old disk to load the OS. I also read online that all you had to do was to install Rosetta and the older progarms would work again. Nope. (Lion dose not support Rosetta.)  Sorry no going back.

Below is a website that list programs that are compatiible with Lion.

http://roaringapps.com/apps:table

All this does is, put a lot of pressure on developers and hurts their business and in the end, developers will shy away from Apple.

 I mean look at this thread.  People are pissed off at DAZ because of what Apple did with the O/S.

The onus is on software companies to upgrade their products. That seems to be clear to Smith-Micro, whose soon to be released Poser 9 and Posesr Pro 2012 will be Lion compatible. OS 10.7 has been in beta testing, and availabe to developers for months. Of course they'll be initial incompatibilities, as is true with any new major OS release. And yes, until the upgrades come in, it's a major pain in the butt. Remember the OS 9 to OS X change. Yikes! Yet, it's one of the best things Apple has ever done.

I'm running Lion and I'm liking it. Can I live without Bryce? Ha, ha. Since the developers broke the Picture Lab for Snow Leopard (and Windows) months ago, and have yet to release the supposedly fixed version because they're currently engaged in some kind of intra-company blood-feud, Bryce is just a memory for me. As for DAZ Studio, like I said: Poser. Customers have a right to be pissed at DAZ, and it should have little to do with Apple.

The pict issue is fixed for sure, but as far as the Apple thing, I've been using Apple puters for 20 yrs, what I'm seeing is that they're about to change the architecture of the computers again which is good and bad, if ya can't afford to upgrade then ya kinda feel left out bad, good new technology on the rise. So where I stand is all my stuff is working like a top and I'm gonna leave it alone for now. Also a trend with apple is..NEVER buy a first generation computer or OS from them its always buggy and quircky.

Clay I can agree with some of what you said. There are always problems with OS updates. 9 to X, Windows 98 to XP to Vista and so on. 

 The problem still lays with DAZ. Bryce has been buggy since the 6 release. 7 was going to fix most of the problems and it didn't. If anything things got a little worse. There are people at this site that were creating in B5, and rendering in B6 or 7 just to get the job done.  

 I also agree with Dgerzeeboy. The developers have access to the beta before the release to check compatibility and any other issues. If DAZ was serious about retaining it’s customer base they would fix things right the first time. Then they wouldn’t have to give their stuff away for free or at ridiculous low price. 

Well again, this falls under the issue of the code for Bryce is ancient, so when you fix one thing it has a pretty good chance of breaking another already working function especially when you are combining old code with newer updated code, so there is no overnight solution for sure, but as far as Daz they gotta make money like the rest of us but agreed on certain items, software etc probably shouldn't be released at certain times just to flip a dollar. But on the other hand you're never gonna have a piece of software from anyone that doesn't have a bug in it, Bryce is waaaaaaay better than version 6, Daz got the half written code from Corel so they had to dig through all that mess to even begin development. So kudos to Daz, but also the company needs some more focus for sure.

Here we run into another problem: Why should you upgrade your OS, when everything is working (mostly)? This is a USER problem. Daz3D has a very small Dev team.

It is your own fault for upgrading to Lion before Daz has its software fixed for Lion.

lol. that one made me laugh. the user is at fault. the user have to listen to what the makers of programms and os tells them.

Gee if that were the case I'd still be running OS 9 and B4. The last truly stable version of Bryce.

@dyret:  Let me give you another perspective.  I work in corporate I.T. and we don’t upgrade to the latest O/S at least until the first service pack or fix patch has been released.

 Why do we do that? Because we need time to test and make sure the latest O/S is compatible with all the software that we run.

Regardless if I'm upgrading 1 PC or 100 PC's its the same principle.

You take a risk when you upgrade to the latest, which by the way is not necessarily the greatest.

I doubt any Graphics or Illustration companys are running out right now upgrading to LION.

Again... I got my mac 3 weeks ago. I didnt have a choice! this machine will NOT run run Snow Leopard.

The end user is only partly to blame IFF he upgraded the OS before checking on software compatability issues. However, the end user who buys a new computer, like with Lion already installed, then he is stuck until those software compatability issues are fixed. If the end user check and find compatability problems, and upgrades the OS anyways, then the end user has to right to blame anyone else for his problems.

I was a beta tester for Vista Beta 2 and RC 1. Beta 2 was fine. RC 1 sucked. The only internet connections permitted were Dialup and DSL with username and password! I have Roadrunner, which is a LAN always on connection. I could not connect to the internet to even activate RC 1. That was enough to cure me of ever wanting Vista. I stuck with XP Pro Retail and XP64.

Clay, are you saying that Apple is about to change CPU architecture AGAIN? At least PCs are consistent, using the x86 and x64 instruction sets.

My AMD dualcore box has XP64 on it, and I have a hardware problem, which I hope is limited to the power cord and PSU. The last time I had it on, it was fine. Now it won't power on at all, and it had been off.

My primary system is an Intel Core i7 860 (2.80 Ghz dual channel), 16 GB G.Skill DDR3 ripjaws, 2 GB EVGA nVidia GTX 460, 2 x 2 TB Seagate SATA3, 2 x 2 TB Western Digital SATA2, Lite-On DVD burner, Corsair 850 watt professional series PSU, in a Lian Li K7 Lancool mid tower case, with a 27 inch LG Flatron E2770 1080P monitor. It runs Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit OEM. I am the system builder.

My notebook is an Acer Aspire 18.4 inch 1080p Core i7 with 16 GB DDR3 and a BD combo drive, running Windows 7 home premium 64 bit.