@Cage: Uhm... errr... yeah. I'm terrible with detailed anatomy and and and I don't feel like trying to decypher my father's medical anatomy books and then trying to make Antonia's mesh support then and and and mind if I just split the torso Athletic morph? >_<

@shante: I never thought you seemed ungrateful o_o Anyway, looking at some images I think I'll add some breast shapes. I don't think I'll be able to release for at least two weeks from now, and maybe I'll wait a bit after that to release her along with other stuff for Antonia other people are making (but that's just a thought).

You betcha!  :laugh:  Splitting the athletic torso would be useful.  I'm really not sure there's adequate vertex density to do such detailing well on Antonia, anyway.  Maybe someday someone will make an intensified version of the figure.  :unsure:

And... oh!  You know the distinct line, the impression, which runs down the middle of Antonia's belly?  A separate morph to smooth that out might be useful.  I'm not even sure what that would be called. 

Afrodite, please don't wait for other products etc to be done in order to release. As long as your pack is ready, please release it. Remember that you are the first to release a comprehensive morph pack, which is almost certain to be the gold standard. What that means is that clothing creators may want to be able to include your morphs in their clothes for Antonia. So the sooner it's in their hands, the better.

Plus, I think we Poser users are an impatient lot. ;)

Hm... that's a good point. I'll decide what to do once the morph pack is ready to go live!

We are! Damn I thought it was just me that was impatient.

OK I take my apology back then!   :P

Oh and I agree...the sooner released into our grubby little cramped Poser mouse hands the happier!   LOL

Actually I did a new render with Antonia...the first I actually liked enough to post at my gallery at DeviantArt...and would have loved your morphs then.

Also, I mentioned this on Mike's Poser Place site, but whatever you do, I urge you to make the naming for the pack very straightforward. Buyers should know at a quick glance exactly what your product is. "Advanced Morphs," "Super Morph Pack," "Total Variation Morphs," something like that.

Advanced Morphs sounds good enough I think, yes. Thanks!

Abdomen_Athletic
Abdomen_Athletic (FBM)
Abdomen_BigBelly
Abdomen_BigBelly (FBM)
Abdomen_Smooth
Abdomen_Smooth (FBM)
Ankles_Thin
Ankles_Thin (FBM)
Areola_Depth
Areola_Depth (FBM)
Areola_Large
Areola_Large (FBM)
Arms_Athletic
Arms_Athletic (FBM)
Arms_Fat
Arms_Fat (FBM)
Arms_Skinny
Arms_Skinny (FBM)
Back_Athletic
Back_Athletic (FBM)
Back_Dimples
Back_Dimples (FBM)
Breasts_Cleavage
Breasts_Cleavage (FBM)
Breasts_FullerSides
Breasts_FullerSides (FBM)
Breasts_Gone
Breasts_Gone (FBM)
Breasts_Gravity
Breasts_Gravity (FBM)
Breasts_Gravity2
Breasts_Gravity2 (FBM)
Breasts_Implants
Breasts_Implants (FBM)
Breasts_Large
Breasts_Large (FBM)
Breasts_MadonnaShape
Breasts_MadonnaShape (FBM)
Breasts_Pendulous
Breasts_Pendulous (FBM)
Breasts_RotIn
Breasts_RotIn (FBM)
Breasts_RotOut
Breasts_RotOut (FBM)
Breasts_Shape1
Breasts_Shape1 (FBM)
Breasts_Shape2
Breasts_Shape2 (FBM)
Breasts_Shape3
Breasts_Shape3 (FBM)
Breasts_Shape4
Breasts_Shape4 (FBM)
Breasts_Shelfy
Breasts_Shelfy (FBM)
Breasts_Small
Breasts_Small (FBM)
Breasts_SoftRound
Breasts_SoftRound (FBM)
Buttocks_Droop
Buttocks_Droop (FBM)
Buttocks_Height
Buttocks_Height (FBM)
Buttocks_Large
Buttocks_Large (FBM)
Buttocks_Press
Buttocks_Press (FBM)
Buttocks_Sides
Buttocks_Sides (FBM)
Buttocks_Straight
Buttocks_Straight (FBM)
Cheek_BoneFront
Cheek_Chubby
Cheek_Dimples
Chest_Athletic
Chest_Athletic (FBM)
Chin_Cleft
Chin_Front
Chin_In
Chin_Square
Chin_Thin
Ears_Elf1
Ears_Elf2
Ears_Elf3
Ears_Fins
Ears_Flat
Ears_Kitty
Ears_LobeLong
Ears_Puppy
Ears_Raise
Ears_Size
Eyebrows_Arch
Eyebrows_Deep
Eyebrows_Down
Eyebrows_InnerDown
Eyebrows_OuterUp
Eyebrows_Straight
Eyebrows_Up
Eyes_AgeMarks
Eyes_AlmondInner
Eyes_AlmondOuter
Eyes_Apart
Eyes_Baggy
Eyes_Big
Eyes_CorneaBulge
Eyes_CorneaBulge (FBM)
Eyes_Deep
Eyes_DownCenterMove
Eyes_DownInMove
Eyes_DownOutMove
Eyes_EyelidsAsian
Eyes_EyelidsMove
Eyes_Height
Eyes_InnerUp
Eyes_IrisSize
Eyes_IrisSize (FBM)
Eyes_PupilSize
Eyes_PupilSize (FBM)
Eyes_PupilSlit
Eyes_PupilSlit (FBM)
Eyes_PupilSlitHoriz
Eyes_PupilSlitHoriz (FBM)
Eyes_Slant
Eyes_Small
Eyes_UpCenterMove
Eyes_UpInMove
Eyes_UpOutMove
FBM_Anime
FBM_Anime (FBM)
FBM_Athletic
FBM_Athletic (FBM)
FBM_ComicBook
FBM_ComicBook (FBM)
FBM_Fat
FBM_Fat (FBM)
FBM_Old
FBM_Old (FBM)
FBM_Skinny
FBM_Skinny (FBM)
FBM_Slim
FBM_Slim (FBM)
FBM_Voluptuous
FBM_Voluptuous (FBM)
FBM_Young
FBM_Young (FBM)
Face_Anime
Face_Diamond
Face_Heart
Face_InvTriangle
Face_Long
Face_Oblong
Face_Old
Face_Oval
Face_Rectangular
Face_Round
Face_Square
Face_Triangular
Feet_PointyShoes
Feet_PointyShoes (FBM)
Fingers_Thick
Fingers_Thick (FBM)
Forearm_Thick
Forearm_Thick (FBM)
Forehead_Front
Forehead_Lines
Forehead_Wide
Hands_Fat
Hands_Fat (FBM)
Hips_Athletic
Hips_Athletic (FBM)
Hips_Indent
Hips_Indent (FBM)
Hips_LoveHandles
Hips_LoveHandles (FBM)
Hips_Wide
Hips_Wide (FBM)
Jaw_Long
Jaw_SquareSmooth
Jaw_SquareStrong
Knees_Definition
Knees_Definition (FBM)
Knees_Dimples
Knees_Dimples (FBM)
Knees_Thick
Knees_Thick (FBM)
Lacrimals_Asian
Lacrimals_Small
Lashes_ArmedLower
Lashes_ArmedUpper
Lashes_LongLower
Lashes_LongUpper
Lashes_PointyLower
Lashes_PointyUpper
Lashes_UpperInnerShort
Legs_Athletic
Legs_Athletic (FBM)
Legs_Fat
Legs_Fat (FBM)
Legs_Skinny
Legs_Skinny (FBM)
Lines_MouthSmooth
Lips_Premade1
Lips_Premade10
Lips_Premade11
Lips_Premade12
Lips_Premade2
Lips_Premade3
Lips_Premade4
Lips_Premade5
Lips_Premade6
Lips_Premade7
Lips_Premade8
Lips_Premade9
Mouth_CornersIn
Mouth_Doll
Mouth_Feline
Mouth_Height
Mouth_LowerCenterDown
Mouth_LowerCurve
Mouth_LowerLarge
Mouth_LowerSides
Mouth_LowerSidesFront
Mouth_LowerThick
Mouth_LowerThin
Mouth_Narrow
Mouth_UpperCSidesBack
Mouth_UpperCenterDown
Mouth_UpperCenterFront
Mouth_UpperCenterUp
Mouth_UpperCurveless
Mouth_UpperLarge
Mouth_UpperSides
Mouth_UpperSidesDown
Mouth_UpperThick
Mouth_UpperThin
Mouth_Wide
Nails_Long
Nails_Long (FBM)
Nails_LongPointy
Nails_LongPointy (FBM)
Nails_LongSquare
Nails_LongSquare (FBM)
Navel_Gone
Navel_Gone (FBM)
Navel_Outie
Navel_Outie (FBM)
Neck_Thin
Neck_Thin (FBM)
Nipples_Large
Nipples_Large (FBM)
Nipples_Show
Nipples_Show (FBM)
Nose_Alien
Nose_BridgeDeep
Nose_BridgeThin
Nose_DownThin
Nose_Feline
Nose_Long
Nose_MiddleDepth
Nose_MiddleThin
Nose_NostrilCenterDown
Nose_NostrilSidesDown
Nose_NostrilUp
Nose_NostrilUpperDown
Nose_NostrilsThin
Nose_Pointy
Nose_Short
Nose_Thin
Nose_TipDepth
Nose_TipThin
Nose_TipUp
Palm_Thick
Palm_Thick (FBM)
Philtrum_Deep
Philtrum_Short
Philtrum_Smooth
Philtrum_Wide
Shins_Thick
Shins_Thick (FBM)
Teeth_DemonLower
Teeth_DemonLower (FBM)
Teeth_DemonUpper
Teeth_DemonUpper (FBM)
Teeth_FangsLower
Teeth_FangsLower (FBM)
Teeth_FangsUpper
Teeth_FangsUpper (FBM)
Thighs_Thick
Thighs_Thick (FBM)
Torso_Athletic
Torso_Athletic (FBM)
Torso_Fat
Torso_Fat (FBM)
Torso_Pregnant
Torso_Pregnant (FBM)
Torso_Skinny
Torso_Skinny (FBM)
UpperArm_Thick
UpperArm_Thick (FBM)
Waist_Narrow1
Waist_Narrow1 (FBM)
Waist_Narrow2
Waist_Narrow2 (FBM)
Waist_Shallow
Waist_Shallow (FBM)
Wrist_Thick
Wrist_Thick (FBM)

ENOUGH! Or I'll never finish this LOL!

Wow!

WOW!!!!! Seeing some amazing work going on!!!

All the best.

LROG

Thank yous ^^

Spending the entire day on the injector for the limits. Thank God I started taking kung fu lessons - today's class was a much needed pause from all that text.

It's great to see how this project has come so far.

All the best.

LROG

THEY WORK! MHUAHAHAHAHAHAH limits working. Things injected.

Off to make RENDERS! YES!

You seriously, majorly rock, Ohki!!! :woot: You GO, girl!!! YAY!

Stunning, stunning work. So looking forward to playing with this....

Quote - LOL thank you Robyn <3

I'm trying to make morphs for her eyes.... ...and if I use Cinema4d with the TrueSymmetry plugin Poser tells me the result has a wrong number of polygons...

(warning - self-serving ad ahead...)

If you Import/Export .obj files using Cinema 4D's "built-in" .obj code, you will have this problem (well, the vertices get re-ordered).  To avoid that issue - and generally be in Poser-Compatibility-Heaven - you'll want my Riptide Pro plugin.

Riptide Pro preserves vertex-ordering (required when making Morph Targets) and also preserves materials, grouping and even UVMapper "Regions".  It also gives you tons of other options and comes with "Import/Export From Poser" presets.

(There is also an older 'free' version of the plugin, but it does not work beyond R11.5 and doesn't have Presets and many other features - but it still preserves vertex-ordering, etc.)

Cheers,

Keith

Oh. Spanki! HI!

Yes, I use your free Riptide ;) Was one of the first things I got for C4d, because I use C4d for Poser stuff since the first time I got it! Thank you for this, my C4d would be quite useless without it.

I've been eyeing the Pro version for a while. Maybe if these morphs sell well.

In any case, what was breaking things was the TrueSymmetry plugin - I don't know how it does the symmetry, but it was breaking the vertex order. Gladly, as I have ZBrush, I only needed C4d for my pupil morphs, so I was "faking" a manual symmetry: selected a single point, the same in both sizes, turned soft selection on, moved up and down only; for side movements, I used Scaling instead, so that the points would come closer together or farther apart.

"The same in both siDes", not sizes, above. Meh

Also, thanks again Robyn! I can really imagine you with cheerleader ponpons in that last post of yours LMAO

Quote - Oh. Spanki! HI!

Yes, I use your free Riptide ;) Was one of the first things I got for C4d, because I use C4d for Poser stuff since the first time I got it! Thank you for this, my C4d would be quite useless without it.

I've been eyeing the Pro version for a while. Maybe if these morphs sell well.

 

Ahh - gotcha.. and thanks for the comments.

Quote - In any case, what was breaking things was the TrueSymmetry plugin - I don't know how it does the symmetry, but it was breaking the vertex order...

I see... I downloaded TrueSymmetry a long time ago, but never got around to playing with it... that's a shame - it may be 'rebuilding' the mesh on the fly, internally (sorta like a transparent Symmetry Object/generator).

Quote - Gladly, as I have ZBrush, I only needed C4d for my pupil morphs, so I was "faking" a manual symmetry: selected a single point, the same in both sizes, turned soft selection on, moved up and down only; for side movements, I used Scaling instead, so that the points would come closer together or farther apart.

Ahh.. yeah, I do the same thing, quite often.  I also use the "Selection Symmetry" command of my Undertow plugin to help with that :)... (I feel another self-serving ad coming...)

Undertow also has some other commands useful for Poser 'newly generated Symmetrical mesh' creation (like "Group Mirror") and lots of UV-related commands. (it's commercial as well, but reasonably priced and has a 30-day free trial period).

While I'm at it, my Morph Mill plugin might also be interesting to try out when you get the time.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to your morphs - they will be very handy!

Undertow has a Group Mirror? Hmmm. You might make me go bankrupt, I was eyeing it for the UV tools (by the way, does it help at making symmetrical UVs?).

I didn't know Morph Mill, will take a look! :3

Wow that is fantastic.

lmk

Thank you!

Quote - ...(by the way, does it help at making symmetrical UVs?)...

Yes, in fact I was just using it...

...I spent a fair amount of time generating and tweaking the uv-mapping for the left hand of my model (hilighted, on right) and then used the UV Symmetry command to have that mapping mirrored to the right hand.

I don't want to continue jacking your thread, so I sent you a pm :).

The new pml is said to work without riptide. But ohki: would it be possible for you to make a morph fpr antonia to make her get v4 body shape? I assume that would be enough to let my autofit port v4 clothes to antonia. She does not need to bend like v4, she only needs to morph into a zero-posed v4.

I suppose I could definitely try, but Antonia's limbs are a more realistic size and V4's are way too long - I'd need to use Animatable Joints (and that feature for PML to do that automatically as you showed would be invaluable help).

Also, V4's zero pose is quite different from Antonia's - for such a morph to work with the new PML, how should I go about this? Can I just ignore the joints altogether and shift the geometry in Antonia to move to where V4's body parts are?

Quote - The new pml is said to work without riptide. But ohki: would it be possible for you to make a morph fpr antonia to make her get v4 body shape? I assume that would be enough to let my autofit port v4 clothes to antonia. She does not need to bend like v4, she only needs to morph into a zero-posed v4.

you realize Wardrobe Wizard has support for Antonia, right?  i totally understand if you want your own solution, but i thought i'd make sure.

Ah i didnt know that. Didnt use wizard yet, when i looked it up some time ago you had to pay for each figure you want to use it with.

I've never used WW either, I guess I'd be more comfortable with PML as I've used it a lot.

You still wanna do this, cc? How should I go about making this morph?

Quote - Ah i didnt know that. Didnt use wizard yet, when i looked it up some time ago you had to pay for each figure you want to use it with.

Antonia is supported by WW but you still need to buy the Antonia licence on PhilC site and i am not against a second way to convert some clothes for Antonia, even if most of time i use my own dynamic clothes

I also like diversity. I use WW2, and I bought the license for Antonia. PhilC deserves the support.

I will buy this utility also, when it comes out.

Very exciting work CC. :)

lmk

well, the reason i mention the WW solution is that it works with Antonia as she is, not Antonia shaped like V4 (who has almost bizarrely long arms).  it automatically handles rigging, too.  if you want it, that is.  iirc, the most recent version supports weight maps. 

the add-on packs for different figures are grouped, last i checked.

there also may be copyright issues with a V4 shape (competing figure & all that). i remember daz pitched a fit when Sixus made LilinV3 & she ended up being pulled from circulation. so just be aware & ask first before you commit a bunch of time to a V4 morph. you're really doing nice work! -jan-

It's not their mesh, there shouldn't be any problem that I know of, am I wrong? Otherwise, people couldn't make skintight bodysuits for her... AFAIK, they only can't extract her mesh for that.

i know for clothing the rules are different & don't mean to cause grief, just don't want to see your fine work derailed for some stupid silly reason.....-j-

I understand...

I don't know who and how to ask them though LOL

Yes, in fact you can ignore the joints. The other way would be to make an Antonia morph for V4, which should work equally well. The morph is just needed to give PML a hint how to convert the shape.

I squeezed Antonia into the Cowgirl Jeans and let PML convert that to Antonia's standard shape, it worked quite well. I did a quick-and-rough fitting, but even that gave me a good result. After exporting and rigging with the weight mapped Antonia rig, I've got a working jeans. I suspect that a better morph would prevent even the pokethrough, which you can see in the image.

An Antonia shape for V4 would work all the same? I suppose that would be better to avoid problems with Daz then, I could make it a custom morph INJ to send to CC.

on another topic: I'm trying to figure out ways for users to make characters for distribution using my morphs. Does anybody know of a tool, preferably free, that will keep just the morph DIALS (not their shape information) and strip everything else from a .cr2 to make a .pz2? Most people won't want to do this by hand, and I'd rather not try to explain how to in a tutorial LMAO

You mean as a pose file, which would dial the right values in?

Quote - An Antonia shape for V4 would work all the same? I suppose that would be better to avoid problems with Daz then, I could make it a custom morph INJ to send to CC.

I assume that it's harder then to autmatically load Antonia's bones into the new mesh. But from what I've seen and tried so far, I don't think that there is a big difference. PML can reshape from and to morphed or unmorphed shapes, as long as the geometry is similar. Loading the bones in the new figure isn't complicated, it took me lless than two minutes.  

Quote - You mean as a pose file, which would dial the right values in?

Yes exactly. That way, the user could easily distribute a character made with my morphs without actually including the morphs. They could easily include the Injector I made for the morphs without including them and add those values in the pose file created, the end user would still need the PMD file.

lmk

I think if you use PMD for exporting the mesh and creating the FMB, there should not be much of a problem with this, if WW2 can do the conversion. The meshes from PMD are welded, WW hopefully won't change the vertex order. 

But that is IMHO, of course.

It would work exactly the same way as character morphs that draw on V4's Morphs++, I would assume....

I don't think so - those usually read the deltas and injectors in the Morphs++'s folder, which are included one by one.

My morphs for Antonia use a single PMD for all of them, in its own folder in the libraries, and a Pose injects (mostly by readScript commands) some information in that folder:

-The actual PMD;
-FBMs to control them;
-ERC for some of the face morphs (to ajust eyes, teeth and tongue to the position and size required by the morph);
-Grouping of the morphs so they are cathegorized;
-Limits for each morph.

I made those as separate files to keep my mental sanity while making them (... I pretty much copypasted all of those by hand, removing unnecessary information, took me two days straight), but they are all injected by a single file in the Pose library. That single file I'll allow people to use and modify, so it allows them to have their characters be a single pose too (instead of requiring their end users to apply my morphs and then apply their characters), but it's worth nothing without the PMD - and should stay that way, otherwise end users won't need my morph pack. It's not a merchant resource.
But that single pose of mine only injects the morphs, all working correctly, but all zeroed. Character creators need to include in it the dial values, and that's a boring task to do by hand, that's why I'm asking for a tool to make it easier.

I already know D3d's Tool Collection is able to, I just saved a dialed character as a .cr2 and ran it through Tool Collection's ToPose in its Morphs preset. Only dial values. Saved as .pz2. Beautiful. But Tool Collection is a little bit expensive(worth every penny and more, but perhaps not for people who only need it for this specific task), and I want to give character creators some options.

IIRC, some of the stuff in the tool collection is available individually. Could be wrong. Surely there are other options though... a lot of people are doing this kind of stuff.

Quote - Character creators need to include in it the dial values, and that's a boring task to do by hand, that's why I'm asking for a tool to make it easier.

If there's no free tool, I'll see if I can build one for you.  :D

Quote - IIRC, some of the stuff in the tool collection is available individually. Could be wrong. Surely there are other options though... a lot of people are doing this kind of stuff.

Yep, I know, that's what I'm asking here, if you guys know of any ;)

Quote - > Quote - Character creators need to include in it the dial values, and that's a boring task to do by hand, that's why I'm asking for a tool to make it easier.

If there's no free tool, I'll see if I can build one for you.  :D

That would be amazingness incarnated. <3