I've sent a note to Robyn'sveil to communicate these views to the design team, but got to wondering if I was the only one who felt this way.

Being a male, I have to rely on what my experience has been with breasts attached to other people. I must admit that while there hasn't been a huge number, there have been enough for me to have a general idea of the lay of that particular landscape.

Antonia is like no girl I've ever seen, touched, or been with.

While the default breasts are more or less natural looking, the morphs included in the morph set are all completely wrong. Antonia (like Vicky) suffers from "Invisible Bra Syndrome." While I do (very much!) like the shapes that can be imparted to her mammary glands, they grow stright out from her body. Has no one who models human females ever heard of gravity? Even the "pendulous" morph, which I was intially very excited about (no pun intended) does not yeild anything close to real world results. The breasts do, indeed, sag a great deal, but they are still suspended (far) out in front of the ribcage.

Sorry, boys and girls. Even the lady I knew quite well who'd had implants didn't have THAT sort of uplift.

As to the nipples. Hmmmm. Dial the "Big" morph to 50%. Check the size of the nipples themselves. I'm not sure an adult's lips would fit over that huge mass, much less a baby's. Even dialing "nipples" to -1 yeilds only a marginally passable effect.

Next, cleavage. I'm all about letting a girl's assets swing free, but this is rediculous! Antonia will never EVER wear a pushup bra using these morphs. The native position of the breasts, is, to me, too far apart. This is no big deal IF a morph could move them further together. As it is, you can almost always see the curve of a breast from behind her back! This is seldom true of girls wearing less than "D" Cups.

Now, don't get me wrong. The morph pack is quite good, overall. More of it is done right than wrong, imho. And, there is not much wrong with the breast morphs that I can't fix (quickly) with a set of magnets or three.

My question is, am I the only one seeing these things, or have I just kept the company of the wrong women over the years?

Just for reference, which morph set are you talking about? A free set from the Antonia site or the breast morphs from the new set from RDNA?

Maybe they were done with the though that clothes would  be worn, and the "bra" was assumed/imagined to be there under the clothes. I'd personally prefer this to the alternative, and would rather have a separate set of unclothed/braless breast morphs.

It's rare I'd guess but, I've seen breasts like that before. Everything is a compromise on a mesh. She looks petty curvy for 12K...;)

He's talking about the morphs that are for sale at RDNA.  Those have a "pendulous" morph, the free ones do not.

Quote - While the default breasts are more or less natural looking, the morphs included in the morph set are all completely wrong.

Antonia 1.2 comes with only two native breast morphs "Breasts-classic" and "Nipples-classic". So like bantha, I too am wondering which morph set you are referring to.

I know there are sets of full body morphs by patorak3D and Jules53757, available from Antonia's Free Site, plus a smattering of individual character morphs at various places, and apparently a commercial morph pack has recently been released at RDNA, but which morph pack are you referring to? [x-post, randym77 answered the question]

basicwiz...I kinda see what you mean.  The RDNA morphs don't necessarily all combine well. 

Have you downloaded these free morphs?  There are a lot of breast morphs, including some that allow Antonia to wear a pushup bra.  ;-)

Quote - As to the nipples. Hmmmm.

For what I hope are some generally servicable nipple morphs, you might like to try the ones that come with my "NippleRingsAP". Or, for more comprehensive set of nipple morphs, you could try my "DialANipple-B" morphs available at  Antonia's Free Site.

I'm refering to the set being sold over at RDNA. It's my understanding this is the "official" morph pack.

I don't think there is an "official" morph pack. The one at RDNA is the first one that's for sale, but that doesn't make it "official."

randym77 is correct. There is no "official" morph pack for Antonia 1.2.

Quote - While the default breasts are more or less natural looking, the morphs included in the morph set are all completely wrong. Antonia (like Vicky) suffers from "Invisible Bra Syndrome." While I do (very much!) like the shapes that can be imparted to her mammary glands, they grow stright out from her body. Has no one who models human females ever heard of gravity?

This guy has. 

I'm guessing  that creators are assuming people will put clothing on the character.  It's sort of a catch 22.  If you design for clothing, she'll look off naked.  If you design her for being naked, she won't look right in conditions she'd wear a bra.

Of course, naive as I am, I would think a "bra/no bra" option would fix this, but I suppose there's more to it than that. This is how I normally work anyway... create the figure I want in the nude, then lift and firm for her being bra clad, saving both options. The issue for me is that the figure ALLOWS me to do both. I'm not asking the same dial settings to work in both cases.

It's no big deal. I've been able to solve the issues with a few magnets.

basicwiz are you aware that there are gravity morphs besides the pendulous morph to use? If you think the breast are to far apart use fuller sides to the negative. Areola large to the negative makes them smaller.

Actually I disagree with your breast assement of this pack.  I  personally  think there are loads of morphs included to make a natural or unnatural breast at any size.

Even has madonna breast to poke someone's eye out.

Now I will go measure my own gap between to see if I am one of the "rare" ones. :-)

LilWolf... I must have missed it. Which morph actually makes the breast lie against the ribcage like a real large breast would do?

Quote - Which morph actually makes the breast lie against the ribcage like a real large breast would do?

Heh. At the risk of sounding sexist...I think this is the problem.  The morphs at RDNA are very nice morphs, but they don't all play nicely together.

I believe the person who made the morph set is female.  She probably didn't think to check every morph with the boobs dialed to "ginormous."  While I suspect that's the first thing male purchasers did.  ;-)

Quote - Of course, naive as I am, I would think a "bra/no bra" option would fix this, but I suppose there's more to it than that.

The "Breasts-classic" morph which Les mentioned is basically a "no bra" morph.  Antonia was originally modeled with the "Breasts-classic" breast shape, which is more what one would expect in a nude.  The default shape was changed, IIRC, to make the base .obj easier to work with in various ways. 

Quote - LilWolf... I must have missed it. Which morph actually makes the breast lie against the ribcage like a real large breast would do?

My breasts are probably not as big as yours but I use a combination of all 3 morphs.  I have to yet explore all the morphs in this set. Why don't you send a note to the artist, perhaps they can help you out with the large economy sized breasts?

Forgot to mention I also thought these were the "offical" morphs for Antonia. Probably because they were discussed here  while in the making which is rare for a commercial project. No one really said so  I just ass-u-me-d  which I see by this thread was a  mistake on my part.

I have been Posering since Poser 1.
I have beem morphing balloons into breast since Poser 1.

And for the time being? I see no end yet.

I did it then.
I do it now.
I fear,
I will have to continue doing so, for quite some time to come.

Any new Poser version, its the first thing to do. Modify and lower the breast 3 inches.
Oh, no? here we go again.

Exept Jessy or any other High Poly figure. They are just not worth the time and effort.

Untill figure builders might hopefully see the light and understand that we, the die hard  X,Y,Z, morphers need room.

Too dence a mesh is impossible to morph into a woman. A woman with real breasts that is.
The poly's above the breast will get streched too far, and the poly's below the breast are condenced too far.

Sometimes I fear, figure builders have lost contact with the real "breast" world.

And I am toooo tired to start lowering breast 3 inches, each and every time a new figure comes out.

And then the rigging.

When will they finally understand that breasts move UP and Down with arm Up and Down movement.
Sometimes one gets lucky, and some figure moves them a tiney bit up.
But NO figure lowers the breasts when the arms go down.

NONE. Period.

And we are 12 years after the start of this figure building-rigging-posing thing.

PS; Nothing againt Antoino, she is a good figure.
Mine is a general remark for ALL Poser figures.

I'm with you, vilters. NOONE has actually modelled a girl that is a real girl out of the box. The Smith Micro characters are not even nearly proportionally correct, aside from being something short of attractive. Ali's breasts are attached to her shoulders... not her chest ROFL.

Victoria, in all her iterations, is at heart a fashion model. She has required (sometimes heroic) retrofit fixes to make her boobs operate at anything close to real-world. Whether this is corporate prudery or a vision of "this is all she needs to be" has been debated endlessly. Let's not do it again. She is what she is.

Now comes Antonia, and I'm just shaking my head.

I'm going to do what the rest of Poserdom seems to be doing: V4 is the current flexible, well supported character. I've got tons for V4 and the fixes are in place to let me make her anything from a budding teen to a saggy grannie out of her. I don't actually NEED a new figure.

My question becomes, what happens a year from now for the new Poser fans when Daz pulls the plug on the availability of V4 (I'm surprised they have not already) to further force users to get on the DS bandwagon? Someone, somewhere needs to be investing some money in the next great character, and that someone needs to think long and hard about all of the demands placed on such a figure. What are the demands? Read the thousands of threads here.

Sooner or later you'd think someone would get it right.

One of the great things about Antonia is that the figure is so open.  Odf has given his work to the community.  We can derive anything from it and share the results.  If we don't like the breasts, or anything else, there's nothing keeping us from altering or improving things and releasing a figure featuring the changes.

In terms of breast handling, have you tried the weight-mapped Antonia which has been posted to the Antonia thread?  The breast body handles used by that figure may present some better options than the morphs do.  :unsure:

Quote - My question becomes, what happens a year from now for the new Poser fans when Daz pulls the plug on the availability of V4 (I'm surprised they have not already) to further force users to get on the DS bandwagon? Someone, somewhere needs to be investing some money in the next great character, and that someone needs to think long and hard about all of the demands placed on such a figure. What are the demands? Read the thousands of threads here.

I am so very much looking forward to that day. I have enough!! for V4 (and any other iteration of female figure) already. Removing the temptation to buy more would only improve my finances.

However, since (for whatever reason) I seem to notice the flaws in M4 so much more quickly, an improved M5 could seriously test my Poser loyalty. And since I am also always looking for more content for male figures, I'd be easy an easy target.

After some of the topics lately, it's kind of refreshing to read about breasts-perhaps normalcy is returning...

Quote - One of the great things about Antonia is that the figure is so open.  Odf has given his work to the community.  We can derive anything from it and share the results.  If we don't like the breasts, or anything else, there's nothing keeping us from altering or improving things and releasing a figure featuring the changes.

100% agree!  This is why Antonia is my favourite character.  If the user doesn't like the way it made, there is nothing to stop he/she to change it.

Quote - The breast body handles used by that figure may present some better options than the morphs do.  :unsure:

 Yes, it is better than morphs.  I'm thinking of applying the same technique on clothing.  It is still in very  early stage.  

Quote - After some of the topics lately, it's kind of refreshing to read about breasts-perhaps normalcy is returning...

WandW I love your way of looking at things. :-)