robynsveil, the figure folder I work in is 150gig, 3/5 is poser format, 1/5 of that is DAZ items ;) The rest is a LWO, 3DS, .obj. I'm not limited to just poser content or just DAZ items.

And you are still waiting for some one to do it for you. Most all the DAZ PA's are the creative members of the commumity. And yes, those are the same ones that often enough, give it away.

I work with carrara because it is open ended. Meaning I can pretty well do what I want with what I get in there, remodel, retexture, start from scratch. Very, very few of my scenes aren't moded. Load and shot is not something I do.

Carrara 8 opens a pz3 fine, do it all the time. Oh wait that's right I actualy have to do something to them before I render, oh my what ever will I do. Heaven forbid I should have to spend a little time in the shader room.

That is what puts people off carrara, they actual have to do something beside load and shot.

Oh DAZ knows quite well there is no way to force me in to the CMS thing. I absolutly wont have it on my comp. I didn't trust it to begin with, certainly don't now. I really like to think that the folks at DAZ aren't foolish enough to make the virtual store the only option. Other wise "this isn't a case of DAZ shoting it's self in the foot again, this is DAZ wraping it's mouth around the end of a shotgun". 

Percision, I hate this forum set up. This is the only one I can't just do a simple copy and paste. This forum hasn't change in 8 years and it was anitquated then.

What I am pointing out is you can use poser content; as long as it doesn't end in a Z, in carrara quite well. Why work in a box when you can work out side ;) And you are right, Carrara doesn't fit in with Poser or Studio, it is so much more. Carrara is like 3Ds light plus poser  :D I mean I can use simmon and sydney as well as you can.

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Fortify it.  Heavily.

Quote - robynsveil, the figure folder I work in is 150gig, 3/5 is poser format, 1/5 of that is DAZ items ;) The rest is a LWO, 3DS, .obj. I'm not limited to just poser content or just DAZ items.

And you are still waiting for some one to do it for you. Most all the DAZ PA's are the creative members of the commumity. And yes, those are the same ones that often enough, give it away.

Carrara 8 opens a pz3 fine, do it all the time. Oh wait that's right I actualy have to do something to them before I render, oh my what ever will I do. Heaven forbid I should have to spend a little time in the shader room.

That is what puts people off carrara, they actual have to do something beside load and shot.

Good on you, MS. No, I'm not waiting. I don't have to: I have Blender, poser pro 2012 and skills in anatomy so that the body will bend at the correct fulcrum. Not really sure what your point is, really. I don't depend on PAs, on a company, on anyone. Key word: depend.

Quote - That is what puts people off carrara, they actual have to do something beside load and shot.

Hmm.  Well, as I tend to be addicted to more rural settings, think, "Forest", and I like a little more control over the light, and I hate faked fog effects, I tend to pose a figure, clothe it, put some hair on it, and use Poseray to make a POV .inc file out of it.

Now think, a grid of 100 X100 trees, usually two kinds, a fir and something like an oak, random spaced, rotated and scaled, with each tree having a poly count, which I don't know, the bytecount is about 52 megs.  Per tree.  Add in a sky with media clouds, which are three dimensional objects, they can be moved, scaled, rotated, the sky is only some 7000 units radius. Generate the terrain, the trees, save them as .inc files, use the trace function to follow the ground with the trees, add on some ground cover and think about which buildings I want to use.  Set up the lights to interact with the media, because there's a three dimensional ground fog I'm using. 

Add the figures, the buildings and furnishings generated in POV, make new if needed.  Now tell me who goes though more work to get a good render.  Trees generated in POVtree, although sometimes I use Extree, works just as well.  I usually get what I want.  That's ten thousand trees, ManStan.  I know it wouldn't take more than half a dozen of them, and Carrara would be screaming for mercy.  Or doing that other thing it did for me all the time, called crash.  I've crashed Poser with as few as two of them, haven't tried it in DS, but probably one would be more than it could digest.  Or if it could, "Come back next month, maybe by then."  If you can think of any more "reasons" I don't use Carrara, I'd be very interested in hearing them.

Hawkfyr wrote:

Quote - Complaining about freebies?..where?...all I saw was  "I noticed that most of the Christmas freebies were not for Poser too."

I think they were talking about statements like these:

"I love how we're to day four and have not yet had a single item usable in Poser. :rolleyes: "

"...three nice gifts but (sigh) three I cannot use."

"Hope the rest of the holiday gifts are not just for Bryce or DAZStudio."

Hawkfyr wrote:

Quote - Yooz Guys will read anything...even that which is not written.

I'll heartily agree with that, you see it all the time unfortunately.

Coldrake

Quote - For those who dont know or didn't pick up on it... **btfurner **is a also DAZ Project Manager and will be hanging out and answering questions too. 

Welcome B!

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Youse Guyz Need a DAZStaff badge avatar or somfin so'z we'uns kin keep track!

Please end this bickering about the Christmas Freebies, will you? This isn't even an official DAZ thing, but done by some PA's if I'm not totally mistaken.

And, now back on topic. I don't like to remove postings, but that will happen if some of you try to make this into a "DAZ vs Poser" thread.  Please use this thread for what it's intended.

But now I thought I would show the DAZ staff how easy it is to install without.

I love buying content but I hate the thought of running all the daz installers.  I have heaps of bought stuff that I have never installed because of all the hoops i have to jump through compared to this simple method.

In this example just imagine how long this would take to do if these files from rdna for the tool boi for M4 had actually come from daz.

Watch:-

by the way, when I said "hoops" i include the scenario where I buy an old product that won't install on my mac because of the outdated installer, so then I have to download the PC file and run crossover before I even start with all the checkboxes and typing paths in (sometimes) or navigating to the right path (usually) that one always has to do with DAZ installers.

(no unzipping even required - just shift click in my folder where I downloaded them and drag them into this part and this is how they look when in semidieu's software)

Love esther

the advantage of this second method is you can see where everything is and move it around if you want.

Percision, not sure what you are up to there, I have a scene with 50K trees of 5 different types and M4 riding a dragon, animated, no problem.

I am working on a county fair scene using all the carnival sets. The scene was up to a 5.6 gig temp file. I can zoom and dolly the camera around with no problem; in C8.5. Now I did have to brake the scene down because adding just one more item to it caused carrara to crash on saving; I think it's a ram issue, I only have 6 gig.

What I am refering to is all of the whining on the DAZ forum from folk that have to go in to the shader room to reset 1 shader setting. "What do you mean I have to go in to the shader room and change the highlight from a color to a %? DAZ needs to fix that". geez, put a little effort in to it please.

estherau, one of the things I consistently gripe about is DAZ never updating installers. Recently I had a $6 coucher to burn. I picked out the DAZ polarbear. When I went to install it the fist window up said "thank you for shopping Zygote". Yes, DAZ never updates installers.

Although I don't see how DAZ is going to sell the older content fom this virtual store thing with out updating all the installers. From experiance it seems DAZ is better at droping items then updating them. Yes, you could call that a question, but I don't expect an answer. Seems few of my questions can be answered without violating some NDA.

I see where you're coming from manleystanley. I've never had a problem going in and tweaking anything - in fact, I think my need to tweak slows me down at times. I use the morph brush a lot (because it's a REALLY useful too folks) and I love dynamics. Dynamics (I think) hasn't really caught on because most consider it too hard. It's not really, but it IS something you have to put some work into ;).

On the other side of the coin, a lot of ppl use Poser to relax and play around. You can't really fault them for not frustrating themselves by doing more complex things. Just like they can't fault you for wanting to delve into the harder stuff. Not everyone is a modeler, or a texturer or a rigger, etc. Some just wanna have fun with it. It sounded an awful lot like you were looking down your nose at those people ;).

DS allows the same thing - anyone with half a brain can open it up, load something, pose and render. That doesn't make them any less worthy of a an answer to a question or for a concern they may have. Some don't WANT any more than a click and render. And Daz and Poser both claim that they're so easy to use, that's all you have to do...lol.

I model and texture. And I have Carrara Pro 7. It's kludgy and hard to use. That doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. I have an easier time in Hexagon and even Blender. I don't think that makes me "less smart" ;).

For what it's worth, I can get millions of polys in a Blender scene and you barely notice. I'm not sure if you can do that in DS but you sure can't in Poser. Each program handles memory differently.

One small tip: you can't use cut and past buttons in the forums software here, but Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V work just fine ;).

Laurie

Quote - ...For what it's worth, I can get millions of polys in a Blender scene and you barely notice. I'm not sure if you can do that in DS but you sure can't in Poser. Each program handles memory differently...

Strange... I can say the opposite from Poser to DS, I can't load half the things I can load into Poser and Carrara... all of them are on the same machine.

Please don't blame me, this is what happens to me...

Oh, I don't blame you for having an opinion...lol.

I've never used DS more than to get past trying to set up a scene so I can't speak for it. But I can load about 2 trees in Poser with a figure and a couple props before it slows to a crawl. Trees are high poly items as a rule. Now, I can put the same stuff in Blender and it laughs as my puny scene...lol. ;). Now, in all fairness, my Poser is 32bit Poser 8 and my Blender is 64bit newest stable version. But I can run Blender 32 bit and I can still load a lot more into it than Poser. Go figure.

The major point of my last post was really to not dismiss the opinions or questions of those who are not power Poser or DS users. After all, most ppl just wanna make pretty pictures and not have too think to much about it. It's for fun. Hence the reason it's called a hobby ;).

Now, back to your regularly scheduled questions and rants....

Laurie

Are people purchasing and installing a dozen items at a time that the process is so arduous? I point the installer to a temp folder. That's the quick and easy part. For me the time consuming part is renaming/moving stuff because I want that V4 dress in V4 clothing, yada, yada, not whatever the stock setup is. Once that's done, I create a .rar archive of the temp runtime and delete the isntaller - never see it or mess with it again. I know that at least some of the installers even 'remember' the path to my temp folder.  The amount of time saved using a .zip archive over an installer is 3-4 mouse clicks and perhaps 30 seconds at most.  Now for someone who is installing multiple items all the time, I can see the annoyance. I get new things rarely enough that it's just not a major issue.

I will say that DAZ could/should have originally written their own installer and had it memorize every option, giving people the choice of a single click install. At least, they could have stuck with one installer vendor but perhaps licensing costs came into play who knows. As it stands, if you wanted the installers gone you're apparently getting your wish, just not the way you expected.  On the EULA at purchase thing, it may be crazy, IANAL, but it seems to me that even if the file were transferred to someone (though not legal) other than the purchaser, the click-though still binds them legally, even if they don't give a squirrel's scrotum about it. Different people have different lawyers with different views, but if I've paid those who sharks refuse to eat out of professional courtesy, I'd probably listen to their advice.

Quote - > Quote - Dear Sir,

Why does content from the DAZ store use installers? Why can't I just unzip a runtime?

The installers:

• are flaky;

• restrict control over where content is installed;

• may refuse installation if another product is "missing" - why? Why must I have, for example, V4 to install V4 content. I may, quite legitimately, wish to use the content with another figure;

• are too long winded - very annoying if one is reinstalling or rebuilding the runtime structure.

My compliments,

Marc

I have the same issue also, it's a headache with a Mac since they now use intel processors and powerpc is absolete. please correct your files.

I too have the same issue. Having gotten stuff I can't install. One it's made for System 9 and I am on 10. I would like either DAZ would update the installers or say on the Web page of products that the installer needs system 9 and below to run.

Thanks

Infinito plugin is out; the plugin + a content pack + plus a just released Pine for a total 83.77$ (if I did the sum right). For comparison, Bryce 7 is 99.95$.

I am not critizing the laying to rest of Bryce: it was something that should have been done years ago (I wrote several posts to this effect on DAZ forums in the far past). The problem I see with this move is that the sensible migration path from Bryce was towards Carrara and not towards Studio. Were I still a Carrara user I would feel very "uneasy".

FWIW - Reading comprehension = Nil for some.

I wasn't complaining about the freebies, I said the majority are for Genesis. That's great for Genesis users, and sucks for me. I didn't say they are bad, or useless, or anything like that. I wouldn't DO that, but you read into it what you wanted to see.

Besides...I probably said what most Poser users are thinking, but don't dare say, because it'll be read as a complaint, rather than as stating a fact.

Man...seriously. I'm ditching one forum after another these days, because people are unwilling or incapable of taking something at face value.

Randall wanted to know what the issues are, and being unable to spend vouchers due to incompatible content, or restrictions, is an issue. It means I don't shop. Freebies I can't use are another issue, because that also means I don't bother with the forums.
We are being told that Poser users will not be shunted to the side and eventually driven away, but a list of content we can't use will do this faster than anything. Whether it's free, or for sale. If we have no reason to visit Daz, then we don't shop there. That's my point. Freebies drive sales. Not just for Daz, but also for the PA's.
If I can't use them, then why should I bother going there? That's not a complaint, that's simply a fact.
The freebies are wonderful for those who can use them, and of no interest whatsoever to those who can't.
Worse, it means customers feel that Daz doesn't care about them, which is precisely the reason Randall came over here. To reassure us that this is not the case.
Unfortunately, looking at the store and -yes- the freebies, a completely different picture emerges. Whether it's intended or not, whether it's driven by Daz or not, whether it's true or not -- none of that matters if the perception the customer gets is not the one they want to project.
I've shopped "over there" before Daz even existed and it was still Zygote. There are still many of us old timers around. And we will be the hardest of all to convince that we are still valued customers.
Right now, I don't feel like a valued customer. I feel slighted, unwelcome and unvalued. I feel like that old shoe that gets pushed aside in favor of a newer, unfaded, more modern boot, even though I'm probably the more comfortable one to wear because I know the shape of your foot better.

BTW -- The only issue I have with the installers is that the older ones are throwing up a "Did this item install correctly" in Win7.
And the gazillion clicks. roll eyes.
Other than that, I honestly don't care whether it's zip or exe. I do what most old timers do: Install to a temp folder and put it where I want it.

But I can see that on a Mac you can have issues due to incompatibility with operating systems. That's a problem, but I can also understand that Daz doesn't want to rebuild every installer just to make sure it works on all Mac incarnations, when it has no such problems on Windows.
I don't know the software that's available for a Mac and which would be backwards compatible, but if there is something, they should use that instead of whatever is used now.

Quote - that may be because, internally, we are well beyond 4.0.3.19... in fact, that release is ancient.

Whatever your issues are, if they have to do with basic functionality they are the focus of the effort so they will be looked at. keep making reports, they do get looked at regardless of feedback.

Randall,

Now Poser SR1 is out - is there a replacement for the "ancient" version of the exporter any time soon?

I second the feelings that Silke said.

Quote - Now Poser SR1 is out - is there a replacement for the "ancient" version of the exporter any time soon?

Poser SR1 is not stated to be the release for Genesis support...

Quote - I second the feelings that Silke said.

Quote - Now Poser SR1 is out - is there a replacement for the "ancient" version of the exporter any time soon?

Poser SR1 is not stated to be the release for Genesis support...

I am talking about the bugs in exporter which are supposed to be solved with new poser SR1. The "ancient" quote is from Randall

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Dear Sir,

Why does content from the DAZ store use installers? Why can't I just unzip a runtime?

The installers:

• are flaky;

• restrict control over where content is installed;

• may refuse installation if another product is "missing" - why? Why must I have, for example, V4 to install V4 content. I may, quite legitimately, wish to use the content with another figure;

• are too long winded - very annoying if one is reinstalling or rebuilding the runtime structure.

My compliments,

Marc

I have the same issue also, it's a headache with a Mac since they now use intel processors and powerpc is absolete. please correct your files.

I too have the same issue. Having gotten stuff I can't install. One it's made for System 9 and I am on 10. I would like either DAZ would update the installers or say on the Web page of products that the installer needs system 9 and below to run.

Thanks

 

I have been asking for that since 2005.  The DAZ solution was to ignore this from 2005 to 2011 and then vault it all.  It is what it is.

If I had been a PA, I would have been livid over the fact people couldn't buy my products because of the inability to install them.

I'm not Randy but I can say that from what our Development team here at DAZ has heard there is a fix in SR1 that should help with the exporter from DAZ Studio (4.0.3.19 and later builds) work better.

Our team here at DAZ has not had access to the final sr build, but it was mentioned to them from SM that the fix would be in. So that's all that we can say at the moment.

Quote - I'm not Randy but I can say that from what our Development team here at DAZ has heard there is a fix in SR1 that should help with the exporter from DAZ Studio (4.0.3.19 and later builds) work better.

Our team here at DAZ has not had access to the final sr build, but it was mentioned to them from SM that the fix would be in. So that's all that we can say at the moment.

But will there be an improved build of the exporter any time soon?

The problem I have with SR1 and the current build of the exporter is that some morphs in clothing do not work properly. From the few I tried Child and V5 only follow the morphs partially. Other morphs seem to work ok

When I asked Randy earlier he mentioned that 3..01.19 was an ancient build and that lots had changed since then. That is the reason why I ask

There is a build scheduled to be released early in January. Watch for that. I'm just not sure what was fixed in the exporter. Sorry.

Quote - There is a build scheduled to be released early in January. Watch for that. I'm just not sure what was fixed in the exporter. Sorry.

Ok, thanks.

Quote - FWIW - Reading comprehension = Nil for some.

I wasn't complaining about the freebies, I said the majority are for Genesis. That's great for Genesis users, and sucks for me. I didn't say they are bad, or useless, or anything like that. I wouldn't DO that, but you read into it what you wanted to see.

And basic arithmetic is NIL for others. I snipped the other ungratefulness from this quote, but you made it even worse by saying the majority of FREEBIES were for genesis... they're not.

All you need to do is grab a sheet of paper and go through the 20 days like I did and quickly count by jotting down items in 3 columns: Bryce, DS, and Poser.

Guess what? There were 2 Bryce items, 10 DS items and 10 Poser items. Hardly a majority, and hardly all for Genesis. Looks more like a good split between them so that EVERYONE could get something.

The fact you would even come back to even justify it grates my nerves even more.

If you don't like what's being offered, by all means take time out  from your busy schedule to make something and offer it. It would be much better than what you're doing now.

Back to topic please.

EDIT: And some wedding band freebies was just released today for M4, V4 AND Antonia.

Male_M3dia for goodness sake leave the guy alone.  He got an impression and posted an innocent comment, then tried to explain it, and now it is "grating on your nerves". It didn't grate on mine.  I think you're making a mountain out of a molehil. and the mods have already told you to stop talking about this stuff.

You could have posted one line if you had to with your count of poser vs daz products and that would have been enough without the rant.

Lets get back on topic and all be nice. Please!

Love esther

Quote - Infinito plugin is out; the plugin + a content pack + plus a just released Pine for a total 83.77$ (if I did the sum right). For comparison, Bryce 7 is 99.95$.

I am not critizing the laying to rest of Bryce: it was something that should have been done years ago (I wrote several posts to this effect on DAZ forums in the far past). The problem I see with this move is that the sensible migration path from Bryce was towards Carrara and not towards Studio. Were I still a Carrara user I would feel very "uneasy".

...hey, I happen to like Bryce.  ; )

Yeah it's render engine (when using full HDRI) makes geologic time appear to move in fast forward, but even on my old duo core 32 bit notebook, I haven't ever experienced a render crash due to memory errors and it runs a lot cooler than 3Delight. I also happen to like the "look" of a Bryce render.  It may not be as "photoreal" as Vue and look more like a fine painting, but having worked in oils, watercolours, and pastels for most of my life, it's a non-issue for me.

Bryce was developed with scenery generation in mind and nothing more.  Yeah, Carrara can do it too but because in Daz's hands, Carrara has essentially become the "Swiss Army" version of a 3D application, it has to make compromises in the individual processes to get everything under one roof without relying on plugins like Daz Studio (and even to an extent, Poser) does.

Bryce works with fractals and booleans which are better for generating natural shapes than poly's or quads.  This is why for years it was "the standard" for terrain generation.

Yeah, Daz may eventually abandon Bryce in favour of Carrara (and watch out there with Infinito for Daz Studio) but as long as I have a backup (and backups of my backup) Bryce will always be on the HD, whether it is my notebook or a 64 bit render monster with gobs of RAM, because it works.

...and I wonder, why has Daz started handling Vue content and Vue Pioneer?

I just made myself a nice warm cup of my home made coffee.
Come here with an open mind, and kindly remove all the duplications.

3 Questions or idea's stand strong :

a) Genesis-V5 working in both appications without having to make both applications interact via exporters-importers at the end user level. In short, Genesis-V5 as a stand alone item in its full glory for both apps.

b) Wide preference for ZIP files from most if not all customers.

c) Content managers or Clouds belong in the sky. Not on a MAC or PC.

On a personal note: I payed for my CPU and RAM, and I would like my CPU and RAM to work for me. Thank you.

Now let the company representatives take the Hollyday to be with their family and take some time to softly think this over.

Thank you all.

Now, I am going to put 2 sugars in my nice warm coffee, and enjoy the fresh aroma.

Have a good evening you all,
or in whatever time frame zone you all may be.

Never forget this is a hobby,
This is supposed to be fun.

Greetings, Tony

Quote - Male_M3dia for goodness sake leave the guy alone.  He got an impression and posted an innocent comment, then tried to explain it, and now it is "grating on your nerves". It didn't grate on mine.  I think you're making a mountain out of a molehil. and the mods have already told you to stop talking about this stuff.

You could have posted one line if you had to with your count of poser vs daz products and that would have been enough without the rant.

Lets get back on topic and all be nice. Please!

Love esther

Esther, really.

You're speaking to the wrong person about rants. That second post was cleaning up the first after everyone jumped on the person about complaining about freebies. If you're going to complain about something, don't do it about something that's offered for free and definitely if you don't have your facts straight.

Quote - Percision, not sure what you are up to there, I have a scene with 50K trees of 5 different types and M4 riding a dragon, animated, no problem.

What I am up to there, is illustrating that you have a penchant for painting with a very wide brush, especially when it comes to non Carrrara users.  Due to the way POVray handles included meshes, I stopped at 100 X 100 as an example, if I wanted, it would be 100 X 100 X 100 and handle it just as easily.  It only has to parse each tree once, then calls on it when it's called by the code. 

But just because someone doesn't use Carrara doesn't mean they're either too lazy or too ignorant, it probably means they have little interest in another undocumented program that changes often.  Learning to model in Blender has my attention at the moment, not as daunting as I have long thought.  New interface makes it somewhat easier, but still going to be a steep learning curve.  Carrara, the learning curve is vertical, with no handholds.  Umm, yeah, I do have a copy, on disk, not in a computer and I'm quite willing to leave it there.  It's not an answer.

OH, yeah.  No need for V5, I have Antonia WM.

Male_M3dia

I am enjoying my coffee.

STOP!

Let us get back on track and be constructive.

Quote - Never forget this is a hobby,

This is supposed to be fun.

...this is why some of us are so perturbed and frustrated with all the bugs and crashes as they tend to take the "fun" out of the equation.

Well it seems you guys can not help but keep fighting about issues that have nothing to do with the main topic.

I have no other choice than to make from my post on only questions to Randy or if you see a question someone has asked and you think you can help.... feel free to answer. But the next time fighting or "mine is better than yours" starts, I'm locking this thread.

Generalities leaves room for exceptions. I'll admit to it, I paint with a real big brush. I'm well aware of all my faults; I've had women hand me lists.

Carrara changes often? On what planet? I'm going to call you on that one. You could have used the C6 manual for C8, it really hasn't changed that much; for good or bad.

And Yes, I P'ed a B about the lacking in documention, especial since there was only really the soft body beta info to add.

Wow, that just shows how vastly different people perseive things. For me the Blender learning curve is me beating my head against a vertical brick wall. Carrara's was a gental strole up a meadow hill. :) In fact what sold me on carrara was how easily I could navigate the interface.  I don't really care for the Poser or studio interface; although I think the new one is much easier to navigate {fisherprice appearance and all :lol: }

If load and shot makes you happy, it makes DAZ happy. No really, if you have fun just loading, staging, and rendering, have fun. I don't.

I'm more of a technician the an artist. I work on dozens of scenes, working on 4 right now. I love to spend an hour getting a texture just right, and another working on getting 1 light just right. If I get a freebie that just has a color fine by me, except for figures I'm not worried if it doesn't come with textures. Or if carrara eats the shaders importing an LWO; depends on what era lightwave made it. I'll reset the shaders. I have Genetica 3.6 pro; top of the line texture generator and more. So no textures? No problem ;) Thing is, once I get it to the rendering stage, I lose interest. Next scene. Of the dozens of scenes I stage in a year I may only do 3 or 4 final renders.

So when some one gripes about having to take 3 minutes to reset a shader I tend to over react. I wish I could be happy just spending 3 minutes on a shader :lol:

I have Antonia, she used to be prettier.

I don't have V5. I have genesis but certainly can't aford to use it.

I'd ask Rand a question, but I usually just PM him :D Of coarce I always get this picture in my head of him with head in his hand thinking " Noooo, not another PM from Stan" :lol:

I'm me everywhere I go :D yup I'm on an up weeeeeeee

KimberlyC  sorry, cross post. I'll be good ;)

Thank you Kimberly. I'm not sure Rendo is the place this thread should have been started at in the first place. If we decide to leave it, it will be civil or unfortunately it will have to be locked.

Regards,

Stacey

Community Manager

Quote -

Wow, that just shows how vastly different people perseive things. For me the Blender learning curve is me beating my head against a vertical brick wall.

If load and shot makes you happy, it makes DAZ happy. No really, if you have fun just loading, staging, and rendering, have fun. I don't.

So when some one gripes about having to take 3 minutes to reset a shader I tend to over react. I wish I could be happy just spending 3 minutes on a shader :lol:

I have Antonia, she used to be prettier.

<Major HACK!>

 

 

If I looked at Blender as a "be all, end all", I'm sure it would be a daunting task, but as I'm looking for a modeler to either compliment or replace Wings, it means I only have to look at that one area for now.  The rest may come later, or may not.

Um, getting a .obj out of poser isn't exactly a daunting task, but getting it into Povray with an acceptable result can be a bit of thought.  Then come setting lights, media, playing with the textures, don't forget to turn the eye cover to transparent unless you like white eyeballs without the other parts. For some reason Poseray seems to consistently miss that one.

Textures?  I've spent days on a texture in Povray, which is fine for my purposes, because that's where I'll do the finished render, including atmospheric media, fog, lights, radiosity.  But a texture that works beautifully in Povray doesn't work in anything else, and rendering a plane with that texture is kinda somewhat maybe looks like it, the only thing that interprets the code correctly is povray.

I have Antonia WM and the Advanced morphs from RDNA, a little dial spinning and she can be anything you want her to be.  Played with the conforming clothing today, didn't really expect much from conforming, but the DAZ PA's could take lessons from these guys.  I've never seen clothing fit that well.  Dynamic is even better.  She's a magnificent piece of work, as are the morphs for her.  Total cost so far less than eighteen bucks.  Anything you want her to be, within reason, that is.  Meaning a human female.  There's a lot happening in 3d, and DAZ isn't the "Firstest with the mostest", they're just another one of many.

@DAZ_Rand

It's been months since P9/P2012 came out. It's also been months since it became crystal clear that older compiled Python scripts need to be recompiled in order to work in P9/P2012. 

DAZ store still today has a number of scripts products that are not updated and still being sold as products compatible for "Poser 7 and above" when in fact they do not work in Poser9/Poser2012 at all. I know because I have purchased some of them. Isn't this blatantly opposite to the notion of "we care about the Poser user base"? 

(And yes I have contacted DAZ Tech Support, created a bug report as support instructed me to do and even contacted the vendor as well ... all this many moons back and with no results; the exact opposite to how f.ex. RDNA has approached updating Python-based script -products).

12rounds, did you file a bug report?

Really, I read in various forums where people point out problems with something, yet never file a bug report so that the people that can fix it, know it's broke.

And now would be the time to do that because, are you ready for this? I'm going to have to eat my words, DAZ is updating installers O.O

Blatant? no. Lazy, well.... At least some one is finally updating installers. It's on their own time so don't expect a bunch fast. And yes that does meaning fixing them.

Now it may be a surprie to some of you, but DAZ actually suports Poser more then Carrara. As in items have the option of installing in Poser format to a runtime. None of them have the option of installing carrara shaders.

I'm still waiting on Rand to give a better out line about the CMS virtual store thing. I'll have more questions once that one is answered.

I've PMed with a few of the DAZ folk and it seems some are spending their free time working on stuff at DAZ. They need congratulstions and a big pat on the back. Even though that may be going the extra mile for the company, it's the consumer that reaps the benefit.

@manleystanley: I did as I stated in my post too. Couple of months down the line. Also the vendor replied to my query (with much nicer wording) that in essence I shouldn't hold my breath while waiting. .

I'm sure this has been said many times here but I got to page four and really just wanted to chime in.

All I want for Genesis is an installer.  Direct from your store to my hard drive.  Yes I can export it and I did.  As soon as I had Genesis in Poser I forgot what hoops I jumped thru to get there (and it was a bit harder for me because I needed a dumbed down version of exporting).  Yes Genesis was a little less smooth around the edges than it was in DS but give me that and I promise some one will come up with a utility to make it smoother in Poser; just as vendors have done with V4 to make her limbs bend more naturally and smoothly.  I would take an installer I have to click thru 30 different boxes just for an installer!!!! 

Give me that and my money is yours. 

Genesis in Poser; use the Poser Smoothing function.
Set Smoothing at crease angle 180 and it is as effective as DS4's subdeviding.
Proof in DAZ own forums. (and on my HD)
Smooth and slick as soap.

Quote - Genesis in Poser; use the Poser Smoothing function.
Set Smoothing at crease angle 180 and it is as effective as DS4's subdeviding.
Proof in DAZ own forums. (and on my HD)
Smooth and slick as soap.

Interesting....

Laurie

As an easy test,

Goto General preferences and set Crease angle at 180.
Render; With Smoothing ON in the render settings
Smile :-)
Afterwards, you can set crease angle for every group you want in the parameters palette.

Smooth :-)

Do not forget to thank Tony :-)

Well, I've used the shading rate in the object's panel for many years, but never dreamed of sending it up to 180...lol. The highest I've ever gone is 110. Nice to know tho. Maybe there's hope for Genny in Poser after all ;).

Laurie

Wrong option Laure : NOT Shading rate but below that.
Smooth Polygons to ON on every group you want them on.
And Crease Angle at 180 on every group you want smoothed.

"Smoothing" is one of Posers most flexible tools.
Beats Subdeviding from sunrise till sunrise in flexibility as you can set it for each and every group seperadly. => Smoothing on demand, at group level.

Or As I said before, just set it once in General Preferences.
Do not forget to set Smoothing to ON in the render settings.

;-)