I am still plugging away at my Asian girl head. I am at the point now where I want to start adding features to make her distinctively one nationality or another, just haven't figured out which one yet. There are a lot to chose from.

But I was stuck on the statement that she looked more like a boy than a woman, so I was working on that. How am I doing?

I noticed that I still have to smooth the crease in her mouth. Didn't see that until it rendered, lol. But I am happy with my progress so far. Once I get past this, the real challenge is to get her body right.

Another angle.

I'd change my mental picture from looking at skin to looking at a skull behind a thick veil. The upper brow is masculine and padded. I see a negative ridge between the hairline and the eyebrow arew. The eyesocket area catches a lot of shadow. Are you including the eyebrow hair in your sculpt? Too many directions to go. Lots of women have big brows, too..

I am not including the eyebrow hair. I am still trying to get the general sculpt right. Thanks for looking at it. I now have a firmer idea of what to look at.

I just looked without reading the text and i saw girl, very nice job you did too....Steve

prolly cos I'm old but all I see is a young person

nice modeling tho' be interesting to see when finished

She looks like a young girl. Preteen perhaps. clothes, hair and texture can go a long wat to help with gender.

maybe this helps. Oriental faces are challenging.

Rokket, I think your face is quite good. I see girl/young woman from south of Asia. You can make it more specific but it is not necessary.

Asian/oriental race is adapted to cold climate. Her face should be flat - any folds increase skin surface. Make cheeckbones flat, fore smooth and eyesockets/orbits shallow. border between eyelids and brows or cheek should be smooth. Lips should not be protruding. Nose, nostrills narrow - forget about nose bulb ;)

To make your head more female make chin smaller, jaw narrow and smooth. You can make nose turned-up to make her cutie ;)

Anyway I think that pattern of race does not exist. Since ages armies of all world paid for the hospitality leaving theirs genes. If you can see any ancient mosaic with polychrome, you notice that Caesar, August, Calligula and theirs successors were blueyed blondies. I think that in Asia genetic mixes are similar.

Thanks for that Shuy. I will take another look at her later today. It's Super Bowl Sunday, so I have a couple parties to attend. Of course I am only watching this year for the commericals, but...

Quite good work and a believable model.

I would like to second the comments of shuy above. Everything mentioned was important and well said.

The "flatter face" and smooth fold comments are important. In fact, the entire discussion and ramifications of the fold at the inner corner of the eye (Epicanthic fold) and the smoothness of the fold above the eye are critical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold

What modeling software are you using and is your intent to fit into a model that lends itself to morphing the face?

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I am going back and forth between Wings 3D and Sculptris to make her. I did the base mesh in Wings, and have been going back and forth tweaking ever since. I ended up doing a retopology in Wings because I didn't realize that Sculptris was converting the entire mesh to tris at one point (I have since corrected that, and I think I only have 3 tris in the whole mesh now.

It is my intent to is to have a fully Asian model (including the body, which I am going to strive to make as realistic as possible, as far as the overall body shape). I have a female friend who is willing to pose for reference shots for me, we just have to be able to connect and have the opportunity to do so. She is Cambodian/Chinese and very beautiful (she doesn't thinks so). Her body is very much like Jennifer Lopez, but not too much like her.

I don't think I want to have face morphs in her other than perhaps controlling the age of her face.

Quote - maybe this helps. Oriental faces are challenging.

That looks pretty good. I am already thinking this is going to take me quite some time to do. I have only been modelling for about 2 and a half months, and I am still learning.

We must see whole models to decide if it looks like a boy or girl. The biggest difference is not on the face ;)

I do not expect that you show pictures of your friend but model would be nice too.

looks really good to me.

Quote - We must see whole models to decide if it looks like a boy or girl. The biggest difference is not on the face ;)

I do not expect that you show pictures of your friend but model would be nice too.

I already talked to her about that, and no... she isn't comfortable putting her pics on the internet. She is one of those rare ones who doesn't even do facebook, so I doubt she would let me post her pics for comparison or anything else.

Quote - looks really good to me.

Thanks!

@ rocket IMO, at this stage it could pass as either boy or woman -  BUT, I think with some make up textures and female hair, it would be unsmistakeable as an asian woman.

Most of the stock poser & Daz female figures could pass off as male in the same bald and untextured state. even Richardsons head could pass off as male in the right context (given boyish hair and clothes)

There is no exact science as to what determines a masculine or femenine facial features. :)

looking good, my only suggestion is maybe make her ears a touch bigger :)

 

Hey, thanks! I made the ears that size because the girl I am modelling her after has those size ears. I used a plane in Wings to do that part of her after I sculpted the nose and mouth in Sculptris.

I know what you mean about the figures looking gender neutral without textures and hair, I put hair on this head and then replaced Alyson's head with hers in Poser. That was when I discovered the eyes are too wide, and I got the epicathic fold too deep. Not back to the drawing board, but I do have to redo them. But she did look like a very pretty young woman. I am feeling pretty good about how far I have gotten in a short time, and I know the biggest challenges are ahead of me, because I have to create a body, rig it, then see if she is going to work.

if you are doing a full figure then that is major challenge indeed. (i though this might be a morph.)

Good luck.

Quote - if you are doing a full figure then that is major challenge indeed. (i though this might be a morph.)

Good luck.

No, this is a new full character. I am not doing a morph because I believe that the current body types are not Asian due to being too tall and too thin in certain areas.

I agree, Daz3ds S4 is about as good as it gets, Miki (bless her) has always been a bit odd looking.

I was thinking of embarking on a petite indian morph for either V4 or Genesis, god knows there is a shortage of indian characters.  Trouble with v4 is that when you make her petite, things really tend to go south with most of her confoming clothing.  V4 is just too bloody lanky by default. Genesis is a whole lot better, but it might die on its ass without full poser support

getting back  to the point of the OP. Yes she looks asian., all worries about some silly PC aside, asian face is different from caucasian  face, which is also  diferent from  negroid face., yeah  they're all different. people dont get upset. so to  the OP point  i  see this face looks pretty good asian  face ....obvio its all in the checkbone line and eye depth  set ....might remove some of the eye depth along bottom of eyes  bring em fwd a bit   here is an image,  poor image, of what  they  might look like ( the eyes) with less Z...btw  center brow peak is awesome the way  U have it. toally asian. U worked hard I can  tell. I think  U  R  basically  there  but let's see the topology

I think she looks really good rokket..   You've come a long way in a short time which is awesome!!

Quote - getting back  to the point of the OP. Yes she looks asian., all worries about some silly PC aside, asian face is different from caucasian  face, which is also  diferent from  negroid face., yeah  they're all different. people dont get upset. so to  the OP point  i  see this face looks pretty good asian  face ....obvio its all in the checkbone line and eye depth  set ....might remove some of the eye depth along bottom of eyes  bring em fwd a bit   here is an image,  poor image, of what  they  might look like ( the eyes) with less Z...btw  center brow peak is awesome the way  U have it. toally asian. U worked hard I can  tell. I think  U  R  basically  there  but let's see the topology

I will get a screen cap of it in Wings later on and post the topology. Thanks for the kind words and the encouragement.

Quote - I think she looks really good rokket..   You've come a long way in a short time which is awesome!!

I am working my butt off to get this right. I have taken a break for a couple days so I don't burn out. I downloaded the trial version of ZBrush, but I haven't installed it yet. I am wondering how well I could do the rest of her if I used it. I know a lot of textures have been done using it. I will have to see what I can do with it before I decide to sink the money into it.

@ Rokket, if you modelled her in Wings, then your model is the single best thing ive seen come out of Wings! not that its a bad proggy, it just has very basic tools compared to say, Blender.

Anyway i too would love to see your topology, and I think your character is looking great and just need a bit more defintion and sculpting around the eyes,

It certainly doesnt need a more 'oriental or female'look', i think she looks like a natural looking vietnamese girl, you dont want to risk over exadurating her ethinic or female features, or you might end up with a more 'generic' oriental female, which would be a shame.

What you have now has a certain amount of quirkyness to it which is a really good thing -quirkyness = character, striving for perfection in a human face can often yeild rather dull and generic looking results :P

Its hard to know when to stop with a project of this nature, but personally I think you've nailed the overal look.

 

Looks feminine to me.

Quote - @ Rokket, if you modelled her in Wings, then your model is the single best thing ive seen come out of Wings! not that its a bad proggy, it just has very basic tools compared to say, Blender.

Anyway i too would love to see your topology, and I think your character is looking great and just need a bit more defintion and sculpting around the eyes,

It certainly doesnt need a more 'oriental or female'look', i think she looks like a natural looking vietnamese girl, you dont want to risk over exadurating her ethinic or female features, or you might end up with a more 'generic' oriental female, which would be a shame.

What you have now has a certain amount of quirkyness to it which is a really good thing -quirkyness = character, striving for perfection in a human face can often yeild rather dull and generic looking results :P

Its hard to know when to stop with a project of this nature, but personally I think you've nailed the overal look.

 

To be fair and qualify your statement, only the base mesh was made in Wings. I did most of the sculpting and forming her face in Sculptris. So it's really more Sculptris than Wings, but I did retopo in Wings. I also looked carefully at the .obj files of Sydney and Alyson and copied some of their topology, especially around the eyes and mouth. I did a lot with making sure the loops were lending themselves to rigging for animation and posing.

I'll post the topology later on today.

Quote - Looks feminine to me.

Thanks! I will post an update of her mesh and the topology later!

Her topology. I think I got it right. I copied a lot of the details from Sydney and Alyson so that I could animate her when I get it done (once I learn how to rig, that is).