Well, before my response just gets burried in the other thread figured I'd post it here:

Called:

Art Room Tattoo Galary in Woonsocket, RI.

I explained to Mike at the Gallery everything that I was trying to do with the tattoo images I saw online, and even selling them as texture sets for characters.

He basically said that the only time that copyright enfringment takes place is if you try to save the image, and you get blocked from saving it, you can't use it.  Otherwise, you are free to use those tattoo designs that you saw online. 

I explained how I was going to consider selling them as a texture set for 3D figures, and that way he understood my sole intention of them, so there we have it folks.

Right from a Tattoo parlor themselves, I'm good to go....

Gonna have fun now

'''He basically said that the only time that copyright enfringment takes place is if you try to save the image, and you get blocked from saving it, you can't use it.  Otherwise, you are free to use those tattoo designs that you saw online. '''

sorry I missed your earlier post, but unless he was specifically talking about rules on his personal site, I will have to totally disagree with that info

(in other words if he was specifically talking about the rules for his own site, then plse disregard this reply)

Quote - Well, before my response just gets burried in the other thread figured I'd post it here:

Called:

Art Room Tattoo Galary in Woonsocket, RI.

I explained to Mike at the Gallery everything that I was trying to do with the tattoo images I saw online, and even selling them as texture sets for characters.

He basically said that the only time that copyright enfringment takes place is if you try to save the image, and you get blocked from saving it, you can't use it.  Otherwise, you are free to use those tattoo designs that you saw online. 

I explained how I was going to consider selling them as a texture set for 3D figures, and that way he understood my sole intention of them, so there we have it folks.

Right from a Tattoo parlor themselves, I'm good to go....

Gonna have fun now

 

 

WHAT??!!!

That's complete and utter horseshit and don't you DARE use anything you "find on the internet" You'll get in trouble I am telling you. Is the guy that told you to use anything there the one that created em? If he's not, he can't give you permission. If he is you better get it in writing. "Save thine own ass at all times" Rules to live by if you wanna be a merchant.

Laurie

Thanks all -- I am really trying to do my homework here regarding it. 

The thing is a lot of tattoos seem to be skulls, etc. and I suck at drawing those things.

Guess a Tattoo product won't be coming from me then, like the T-shirts, but at least I can use them in my own artwork in the background that way.  So I don't really mind in that aspect.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm - kinda suprised.  He seemed to know what he was talking about too....:sad:

Good Gawd there is so much misinformation out there.

Do we really have to start putting right-click-save-as disabling javascript on all of our websites to stop idiots from rationalizing their infringement?

All I can say is, wow. I really thought people were more educated than that.

Mind you, I remember telling my MIL that she could be sued for damages for using people's online wedding photos to advertize her products.  Her response was, "Well, if it were me, I'd be flattered."   So I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

She eventually replaced all the images with ones purchased from a reputable stock photography site.  But she had to do some research on her own before she believed me.

Johnny, you seem to be struggling with these issues -- and no surprise, they are very complex -- though for our purposes, they don't have to be. I use the rule that if something was published after January 1, 1923, I must get permission to use it.  That permission may be a license, as in a Renderosity license, issued by the creator, or a written notice of  permission by the creator -- or it may be a blanket statement by a website, such as NASA or NOAA, that explains exactly what is public domain on their site.  But without EXPRESS permission from the creators or rights holders, I do not use someone else's work.

Yes, people violate it all the time.  Yes people get away with it.  Yes, there are all kinds of exceptions that muddy the waters. Yes, like cheating on your taxes or speeding, you may well manage to escape detection.  But if you are planning on making commercial content for sale, you really do need to familiarize yourself with the basics, otherwise you risk some nasty payback.

There's a copyright forum here.  No one goes there, but at the top of the forum there are some good links you should probably read.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showforum.php?forum_id=12395

ETA:

If you need images, such as skulls, you will find some, but you have to be willing to do some work finding them. Nothing good is completely free.

Check out the resources on this page.  I would not assume that every resource is guaranteed to be completely legitimate in this list (do some homework), but most are very good.  It's a starting point, in any case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain_image_resources

You might also check out Creative Commons resources.  Read what the licenses mean and what your responsibilities are regarding usage, and then have fun.

http://search.creativecommons.org/

Thanks moriador, I will check into them, it is very confusing for me, especially someone just starting out.

I'm sure in time I'll be just as knowledgable as the next person, but I like your rule of thumb to live by, anything after 1923 is copyright.

Thanks again for your explanations, and do appreciate everyone looking out for me on this site.

copyright can be a complex issue. Your best (easiest) option is to find some work that you like and ask the artists for permission to use them.

Good Idea to Mark --- think I will go with that as well.....I did find some really cool tattoos, I'd love to have for ink for M4.

There are many brushes which you can use in GIMP and Photoshop which have skulls and rock n roll gothic styling blah blah.  You'll still have to get commercial use permission or buy them from creators, but once you got them, surely you could use those instead of taking them off pictures on the internet ?

search terms: emo, goth, gothic

Have you considered using poser to generate the images you want?

Daz morphing Skull,Toon Shaders

Something like that work for you?

Bill

For personal use, There is NO problem.

THE problem starts when you want to make money from something you did not make yourself.

Only the legal owner can give the authorisation to use his/her legal property.

But, different countries different laws.

In some countries, if you want to sell something?
The buyer HAS to be able to reproduce ecactly what is ON the box with what is IN the box.

All items used in the Promo pictures on the cover, HAVE to be inside.
Be it hard-or software.

A decade ago a very big toymaker got into some serious trouble over this issue.
Had to close a very profitable multi million dollar company for that.

if my memory does not let me down; it was some sort of Meccano thing.
And they has a very nice promotion constructon picture on the cover of the box.

Problem was; You had to buy 2 boxes to have enough parts to build the thing.
The lawsuit got out of control and the company had to close.

Stay safe and do not try to "sell" if you do not have written permission of the legal owner.

When money gets involved?? The strangest things happen.

Even in a stupit tread as the "Low Poly Army tread" here, I pay attention of what I put together and what I show.

Copyright and things found in the breakroom at work = if it aint yours, hands off.  If you intend to touch it anyway, get ready for a fight unless the legal owner says before hand you can have it.

I was thinking of making those mud flap / window sticker female figures using Poser so I could make what I wanted, in color, and just print to sticker paper for my own amusement.  As long as I do not copy an existing pose, I should be okay, since I do not think the concept is protected by law, but I am doing some homework just to be sure.  These would not be for sale, but depriving a copyright holder of legitimate income is what this is all about - no pirating.

Quote - He basically said that the only time that copyright enfringment takes place is if you try to save the image, and you get blocked from saving it, you can't use it.  Otherwise, you are free to use those tattoo designs that you saw online.

Quote - Do we really have to start putting right-click-save-as disabling javascript on all of our websites to stop idiots from rationalizing their infringement?

How??? In mine FireFox browser I don't know what can be saved or not, all can be saved and right click always works. Even copy and paste in this forum post do work !

That is a safe and sound idea.

If it aint yours? Hands OFF !

I didn't look too hard but as far as I can see, those folks don't even have a website - just the usual yellow pages type listings so he may not even have any skin in the game - sorry, I couldn't resist. To reiterate what everyone else said, other than any of his personal works that he has posted online, what he is advising is just dangerous ignorance.

Willyb53 has a good idea, condider using Poser to generate your own material. Better yet, maybe there's a local tattoo artist that might let you use some of his/her designs in return for some cash or maybe just credit. My neighbor's son does some really nice, albeit a bit creepy designs. Unfortunately, I think he's back in the school where he learned his skills (at state expense). Apparently tattoos are really big on that campus :-)

Quote - Better yet, maybe there's a local tattoo artist that might let you use some of his/her designs in return for some cash or maybe just credit. My neighbor's son does some really nice, albeit a bit creepy designs.

This solves nothing the problem. People that makes tatoos also copy them from somewhere. "I want a tatoo like this" and he does it for you !

if a tattoo artist will take on Warner Bros ( http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/05/02/can-you-copyright-a-tattoo/ ) I would hate to think you risked a few quid yet alone your house etc

much safer if you make your own designs, as everyone here keeps saying lol, and since your only doing it digitaly you could even use one of the fractal generators am pretty sure no tattoo artist in the world could do a fractal well on a twitching sweaty muscle ;-)

That's a tatoo parlor to avoid because he's full of it.  It's a guarantee that he's stealing copyrighted artwork. 

You absolutely cannot just use anything you find on the internet in a commercial endeavor.   His advice was pure bullsh...

"A decade ago a very big toymaker got into some serious trouble over this issue.
Had to close a very profitable multi million dollar company for that.

"if my memory does not let me down; it was some sort of Meccano thing.
And they has a very nice promotion constructon picture on the cover of the box.

"Problem was; You had to buy 2 boxes to have enough parts to build the thing.
The lawsuit got out of control and the company had to close."

That example has nothing to do with using someone else's copyrighted material.

 If you are looking for building parts to put together tats... check out go media they have royalety free vectors for just about anything... though they are certainly not free to come by, or even here at rero there are quite a few brush packs you could use to put together your own tats as you buy those with a commercial license.

it may be slightly off topic, but i'm now finding myself have to check the terms of use for stuff here even  in free stuff. A recent example are Tabalas Mats in the freestuff section. The download link is to sharecg, where the "freebies" are now listed as "All rights reserved". For display purposes only.

There is another option though Jonnhy, find a decent Tattoo artist with a good website and approach him and offer him a cut. It's no different than having to be satisfied with some half *ss tatt that you are using out of desparation and paid through the ying yang for.

@flibbits

I gave an example of what lawsuit can do if it gets out of control.

It is not worth the risk.

better get that in writing...can never be too safe.

Quote - Well, before my response just gets burried in the other thread figured I'd post it here:

Called:

Art Room Tattoo Galary in Woonsocket, RI.

I explained to Mike at the Gallery everything that I was trying to do with the tattoo images I saw online, and even selling them as texture sets for characters.

He basically said that the only time that copyright enfringment takes place is if you try to save the image, and you get blocked from saving it, you can't use it.  Otherwise, you are free to use those tattoo designs that you saw online. 

I explained how I was going to consider selling them as a texture set for 3D figures, and that way he understood my sole intention of them, so there we have it folks.

Right from a Tattoo parlor themselves, I'm good to go....

Gonna have fun now

 

 

Quote - better get that in writing...can never be too safe.

 

Quote - Well, before my response just gets burried in the other thread figured I'd post it here:

Called:

Art Room Tattoo Galary in Woonsocket, RI.

I explained to Mike at the Gallery everything that I was trying to do with the tattoo images I saw online, and even selling them as texture sets for characters.

He basically said that the only time that copyright enfringment takes place is if you try to save the image, and you get blocked from saving it, you can't use it.  Otherwise, you are free to use those tattoo designs that you saw online. 

I explained how I was going to consider selling them as a texture set for 3D figures, and that way he understood my sole intention of them, so there we have it folks.

Right from a Tattoo parlor themselves, I'm good to go....

Gonna have fun now

 

 

There is nothing to get in writing because not one bit of that so-called advice was accurate in the least. 

Quote - > Quote - better get that in writing...can never be too safe.

 

Quote - Well, before my response just gets burried in the other thread figured I'd post it here:

Called:

Art Room Tattoo Galary in Woonsocket, RI.

I explained to Mike at the Gallery everything that I was trying to do with the tattoo images I saw online, and even selling them as texture sets for characters.

He basically said that the only time that copyright enfringment takes place is if you try to save the image, and you get blocked from saving it, you can't use it.  Otherwise, you are free to use those tattoo designs that you saw online. 

I explained how I was going to consider selling them as a texture set for 3D figures, and that way he understood my sole intention of them, so there we have it folks.

Right from a Tattoo parlor themselves, I'm good to go....

Gonna have fun now

 

 

 

There is nothing to get in writing because not one bit of that so-called advice was accurate in the least. 

What Kendra said.  Absolutely this.  Do not under any circumstances listen to this particular tattoo guy because he's talking out of his backside.

Just because somebody tells you something that's convenient, nice to hear and makes life a lot easier for you doesn't mean it's true.  Please follow the advice given by experienced people here or you are inviting a whole hell of a lot of trouble.

It breaks down like this:

If you made it yourself from completely original sources and it isn't based on an existing design or trademarked item or character, you can use it.

If you bought it from somewhere and they grant you the rights to use it commercially and they are legitimate (that's to say, they haven't stolen or copied it from elsewhere which includes existing designs, trademarked items or characters etc), you can use it.

If someone gives you something and they grant you the rights to use it commercially and they are legitimate (as above), you can use it.

Otherwise, it's completely and utterly hands off, no matter what anyone else says.

That's it, simple, the end. 

Seconding Kendra (and pretty much everyone else).

The advice you were given there is completely and totally bunk, and it would not surprise me if this guy lands himself in court sooner or later if he's fool enough to follow it himself.

This isn't the first thread like this you've posted, so I have some concerns that maybe spending some time looking into the real legalities of what can and can't be used would be of major benefit to you. That time seems to be spent looking for loopholes instead of looking for proper tools and resources that can be legitimately used in a legal and professional manner.

Information right from the horse's mouth: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html

"How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports." This generally means: 'not what we're doing as vendors pretty much ever', so we don't get a pass here.

**"How much do I have to change in order to claim copyright in someone else's work?
** Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another's work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner's consent." In other words, all that 'but if you change 10% of it, it becomes yours and you can do whatever you want with it!' gossip you hear on the internet and elsewhere is false.

The following links should also prove helpful:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter0/0-b.html -- The best and clearest advice here is this: "With one important exception, you should assume that every work is protected by copyright unless you can establish that it is not. As mentioned above, you can't rely on the presence or absence of a copyright notice (©) to make this determination, because a notice is not required for works published after March 1, 1989. And even for works published before 1989, the absence of a copyright notice may not affect the validity of the copyright -- for example, if the author made diligent attempts to correct the situation.

The exception is for materials put to work under the "fair use rule." This rule recognizes that society can often benefit from the unauthorized use of copyrighted materials when the purpose of the use serves the ends of scholarship, education or an informed public." Again, everything we are doing as commercial content vendors is not something that falls under the 'fair use' exception.

Hope this helps. :)

Quote - Seconding Kendra (and pretty much everyone else).

This isn't the first thread like this you've posted, so I have some concerns that maybe spending some time looking into the real legalities of what can and can't be used would be of major benefit to you. That time seems to be spent looking for loopholes instead of looking for proper tools and resources that can be legitimately used in a legal and professional manner.

I do appreciate the advice here.  You have no need for concerns for any illegal actions by me in modeling, and or texture creation.  I ask first to be sure.  I may ask several times if I find it confusing,  so sorry if that seems to bother you. 

Would you prefer if I didn't ask first and just did?  No, you wouldn't would you.

In probably contrary to your belief, I do adhere to everyone's advice here in the forums.  They have been most helpful.

Sorry if I seem to "bother" you.

No bothering done, no worries there. :)

My concern is simply that Renderosity takes copyright issues quite seriously, and of all the issues a new vendor can run up against, having that particular strike held against you would make things considerably harder for a long time to come.

If someone has good, fun ideas, having legal problems come as the result of them can be very discouraging, and can rapidly decrease their interest in creating things, period, especially if they really don't seem to see it coming. Imagine walking through the woods, looking up at the trees, feeling the sun on your face... and then tripping into a bear trap. Not my definition of a good time, for sure! ...I certainly wouldn't be too keen on hiking after that.

I'm pretty serious about being pro-imagination. ;) That means strongly encouraging people to create, create, create. It's just a considerably more tricksy process than a lot of people think to keep on the safe side, and avoid the bear traps. This is especially hard at the beginning when a lot of misinformation is spread regularly -- even in art schools, by well-meaning professors! That's why that 'myths about copyright' page is one of the best, in my view, on the subject.

Thanks --- glad I'm not bothering or pestering anyone by the questions.  To me, that's the only way that we do learn.

It can be difficult granted, but I'm by no means discouraged from creating that easily.

I know I can use things in the background that I create if they were like that, so that's ot a big deal there.  

In fact, I'm planning on getting into vending full time, I'm buying a beefed up system in a few weeks, so that's why I figured I should ask all the questions here now, and get the knowledge before I start developing.

The system I'm getting is just the sort of thing for this, Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit, 12 Gigs of Ram, nVidia Tesla card, and a intel xeon 3.30ghz processor with up to 16 cores it can handle, and I'm going to try and go for the most.

I have Poser 8 so I'm hoping that will help speed up render time and compiling time of models when they're finished. 

I do appreciate the help here, its my only 3D forum I visit. In fact, I do follow just about all advice here, and try almost any suggestion given when I do have a problem, unless of course one fixes it first......

Have a great weekend, signing off shortly so won't be on again for the night soon.

I'm glad you're checking for answers, indeed!

I think a part of the confusion that emerges about copyright is that, in much of life, we're generally accustomed to being able to do as we wish unless we're explicitly told 'no' for some reason (be it law, religious strictures, etc.). No one, for instance, told me I can't be nibbling on ice cream at the moment... even if it meant sticking dinner in the fridge until breakfast. innocent whistling

When it comes to copyright issues, the thought process (necessarily) works completely in reverse of that: the default is 'no' unless and until you get a concrete 'yes' from the specific copyright owner.

That reversal of thinking is actually the easiest way for people to approach the subject initially, I think. It really is completely the opposite of what we're used to in a lot of aspects of life.

Ragtopjohnny, I wouldn't worry about bothering people in the forums...

My experience here is that if you are bothering people, they will remark on it in the thread itself.  People don't seem to be shy.  But you'll know when you're really bothering people because no one will reply to your posts.

Copyright is extremely complex, which is why some lawyers specialize in it.  Having these sort of discussions in the forums is never bad.  Think how many people may be reading these threads and learning from them, people who may never post, but who still need the answers to the questions you're asking.

Cool --- thanks.  Glad to know I'm not pestering at all with these types of questions.

johnny, if it looks like any of them are angry or upset (histrionic), try ignoring them.  we should have gotten past the days when they were allowed to beat up on poser newbies, but apparently some of them didn't get the message.

Thanks Miss Nancy -- appreciate that.  I realize theres those types in every forum that you go to, no matter where it is.....

browquirk Who on earth is 'they'? Fellow vendors not wanting to see someone step into a legal minefield when they're just getting started?

And since when did spending time digging up references and information to share to help someone avoid potential discouragement, expense, MP restrictions, and legal trouble translate to 'beating someone up'?

I'm not so sure the comment was directed at you, or anyone for that matter.  My guess is it's a general remark.

Coolness... was just a little worried since I was the one who seemed to cause some upset (which wasn't intentional at all). My communication skillz are mad indeed... but generally more in the 'as a hatter' sense of the word.

I mean, it would suck royally to get everything together and then get bounced from being able to sell here (which is a kick@ss place to be a vendor in my experience) over something that is fairly easily avoided. I would hate to see that happen to -anybody-.

Not at you at all surreality --- we're cool, I know you're trying to help.  It's appreciated.  I appreciate everyone's help here in this forum, I just understand that sometimes people don't understand the millions of questions newbies can have at time.

All's good.

No one is beating anyone up over this.  This just happens to be a heated subject.

 Johnny, feel free to ask any questions.  You're likely to get several responses and many will repeat but there is a lot of info from experienced artists and vendors to be had here.  Ask away.  :)

Quote - Johnny,

Have you considered using poser to generate the images you want?

Daz morphing Skull,Toon Shaders

Something like that work for you?

 

Bill

+1

What I find interesting is that someone who deals with putting images on another person's skin would be so willing to give an honest person some bad advise that could land them in a heap of trouble.

I've had my dealing with tattoo artists, many have seen my work on my galleries and have asked if they could use the images in their own shops, even going as far as to show me the finished product.  And I have to admit that I am honored by this, as an artist I love to know that people enjoy what I do.

But I have seen other times when tattoo artists use my sketch work in their resume portfolios, without my permission and it does bother me.  Luckily I am not about going after them with brimstone and fire, if they cannot draw then their lies will get them in the end.  Still not all artists are so easily deterred from legal action, so it is best to be careful and if you see an image that intrigues you contact the artist and give them your idea.  Who knows, they might be excited to hear what you will use their work for.

:)

The tattoo artist may not have been deliberately giving bad advice, but may simply be ignorant of copyright matters-- after all, many people are, and many people are under the illusion that anything on the internet is "free to take" unless specifically marked otherwise.  And there are also plenty who feel free to take stuff even if it is marked otherwise. 

D'oh, I kept forgetting... check out photoshop brushes by Deviney. He has a set of 'Skulls' somewhere -- I forget if it's here, or DAZ, but it's a great pack. I've bought from him frequently on both sites and never regretted a single one; they're amazingly useful and he does a really great job with them. It has a lot of fantastic options for tattoo designs, as it also includes a number of 'background elements' that are tribal designs, lightning, etc. so it's not just a pile o' bones. :) (I totally blanked on the existence of this one until I just had to use it for something myself.)

It would likely come in very handy for goth or rock tee shirt designs as well, so it may be a good investment to use for both packs, as well as future uses!

Theres a free pack of skull brushes on one of the computer mags this month. Usually no problems with that source. BTW - them be fair questions as well chap. If you don't know always best to ask. Also better safe than sorry as well.

Actually the things on the Internet that can be downloaded Like Images are free to use.exept it has ben mentioned in another way ... before getting a Image reading the terms of usage , signing a disclamer before downloading , not being able to get the Images without being registred. this is all what the Internet can offer you if you really wanna protect your creations. Otherwise offering a Image without a disclamer in full size just to download would be a misleading offer to be able in a later state to atack somone who used a fragment of the Product. 

Ilegal it is to pretend to be the originall creator of the Image. you would have to give or mention credit for the usage. actually not the Image is copyrighted but the signature of the Creator.

as a sample : A collage is fully Legal to be created , it is already mentioned into the Description Collage = assemblage of different Images not created by my self but reasemled to present another creation , the new signature of that creator is fully Valid, no matter where the Prints or Images came from and have ben cut out to create the Collage. and is comparable with the creation of Textures, for your models. 

If somone does whant to prevent the usage for further comercial use he is obligated to Watermark the Image and this is what watermaks are here for. or the Image has to be presented as Low resolution or small Print so that it would be actually useless for any other Purposes. 

Every copyrighted Product has to be registred in the copyright office. it has to be set into there achives and you will be given a copyright number , serial witch has to be added into the copyrighted Product disclamer. 

I am sorry, but that information is just wrong!

Is registration required?It is a common misconception to confuse copyright registration with the granting of copyright.

Copyright is itself an automatic international right, governed by international conventions - principally the Berne Convention (which dates from 1886). This means that copyright exists whether a work is registered or not. When the US signed up to the Convention in 1989, the internal registration system was retained, but foreign works must now be treated as though already registered in the US in accordance with the Berne Convention.

Professor Lawrence Lessig, Representative Lofgren and others have suggested that countries impose registration requirements after the internal term of protection required by the Berne Convention.[citation needed]

Bill

The signature will be automaticly Copyright protected without Registration that is true!

I Repeat Ilegall it is to pretend that you created an Image that another Made. Also the Copyright of Digital Images have not been addapted to the Law it goes under Application's Law( Digital Applications ) not to be confused with Paintings and materialistic copyright.

so as for using fragments of Provided free Images for a Collage on a Texturing would be  a Legal Usage! as Long as your Eula does not pretend that all the contains are made by your self giving credit to the originall creator or if not known giving credit to a Image collection of uhnknown Providers , as Digital Imaging mostly do not have a signature of the originall creator.

It also depends on where you come from as each Cautry handles Copyright in a different way , In swiss it is waay more flexible then In the US witch is rather the case to prevent artists to be creative.

We Here can for example Buy a PS3 change the HD and will not Loose the guarantee. we are allowed to save any digital Product on the Internet , witch is not allowed in the States. It is even Allowed to create a Digital Copy of your Bought DVD's or Music cd's and store them as Backup or for usage on a server.

So to say each has to Consult the regional law about Copyright.

If a Product is offered for Free and is not further Protected it is commen sence that it is a gift . You can cut , in this case an image appart and Make the collage as you wish. 

2ond..... 

Would it be the case as a Sample!!  Leonardo Paintings ... How many times has it been reproduced , how many times cut appart ... as long as the Signature of the originall Creator remains it is Legal to add a fragment of a Picture of such a Painting into a Modelled Digital Building , else we would Talk again abuot hundreds of sold Products that have been created Ilegally.

We could restrict our selves a little more and Prohibit any Visual Media as each contain Private Images and Proprety of others Etc. This all seems to be a Big Hollywood issue to be able to even sell Hot Air and mostly a restrictive way of US citisents taking away there own creative freedom ( We Call this here building big walls arround our selves ) restricting our own posibilities.

in 2002 the creators where working hand in hand giving advices sharing there things , and now .... each is on its own but also is affecting the quality of Products Greed never was a healthy thing and does not help any Artist to be creative. 

 Would for example Poser whant to add a game engine into there application well tecnically possible and sure would be a great stepp ... but as Creator restricted the Posibilities of usage Prohibiting the usage of there Products for game engines it would not be allowed to make such an emprovement , this is another sample of how much we restrict our Posibilities and all is based on Monney making. Were not making Steps forward Rather Backward ....

so in short terms it is possible to make it but not alowed , Well in our Mind but is it really Law or just what we think it is, or what we pretend it to be for our own Purposes to ripp out others, making them beleive such

 Ragtopjohnny with hes Idea might be a great Artist with great Ideas , and what is happening here , most I read just restricts he's Creativity , with law , with you cant do it , but not many Positive Perpetives to make hes dream come true , rather restricting by loosing all the time for each little byt by asking for Permission, so hes creativity would get lost in writing Letters to avoid any issues to create hes Sculpture.

if every artist in Here would be that sencere about where they get there stuff from as   Ragtopjohnny is there would not be many Products in the store.

willyb53 is correct, Copyright is automatically granted the moment an artistic work is created. And as for the arguement that not being allowed to use other peoples work restricts an artists creativity is quite frankly well.....cobblers. A TRUE and GOOD artist will always try to be creative, infact they don't need to steal or take because they create their own ORIGINAL ideas. If there are any legal restrictions (such as fan-arts or their take on a classic image) then a decent artist will try to ensure they stay on the right side of things. So what does that say about those who reckon it's OK to take from someone purely, because it belongs to big media? To me that says they want to stake an ownership, so they can monterise it for themselves. Poser sharing sites are an example of this. They talk about "making art free", but many have paid for VIP areas! Reality is simple, if it ain't yours it aint yours. You can't just nick the bits you like and call it yours. Thats stealing end of, as various cases about sampling have shown. Also doesn't matter what media it is either. If someone paints, renders, photographs or tattoos it's academic, it belongs to that artist. Switching format doesn't change that either.

Now Look at this were already at theft... but actually the creator of this tread asked how or if it is possible to use images from the Internet !!! not stealing them .

but as soon as something might be used from another Image well then it is stolen.

you guys steal great Ideas all the even if you recreate a Jeans for the doll it was not your Invention you just stole anothers Idea.

And well Sparky you must be verry well informed about those Vip Sharing sites hoping you dont fequent em to with the excuse I'm a Undercover Agent as you would be pretty temptated to be one of those sticking arround there .

So I wonder what all this has to do with the question of  Ragtopjohnny he only well the way I understand take a picture comperable with scan and use a fragment of this onto a shirt for models , now what is Ilegal about that .

If it concerns an older user Creator well then it is another discussion I remember all these Treads about WM V4 and all these sencere creatores dicussions how to avoid on the limmit of legality and change V4 and now I'm sure you also are in Posession of a copy in your runtime.

 Ragtopjohnny  would not be a thief as long as he does not pretend that he has been the originall creator of the cutout and gives credit.

Else we could start pretending that each collage made worldwide is an Illegal Handling against Copyright. 

@ Ragtopjohnny  actually it was or is the wrong place to ask sutch a question as for most people in here have lost any commen sence of reality. since the virtuality already has materialized in there world.

@ mrsparky if you take a picture of a tatoo on an arm, who is the originall owner of that digital Item ... the one who made the Picture or the one who has the actuall tatoo ???

Photographs must actually be pretty Illegal as they are just a copy of the originall and redestributed over the whole net. just another change of format ... but strange it belongs to the one who made this Photograph.