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Subject: 16 by 9 ratio magic?


MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Mon, 04 June 2012 at 3:31 PM · edited Fri, 02 August 2024 at 3:40 AM

how can i tell if my pixel dims are 16 by 9?

1600px by 900px is correct? yes/no?

so, if someone has a 1080i or 1080p hd screen?

 

i'm mathematcally challenged, not even sure if i'm making cents.

 

when i do 16 divided by 9, the calculator gives me = 1.7777777777777777777777777777778

 

9 divided by 16 = 0.5625



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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Mon, 04 June 2012 at 7:12 PM · edited Mon, 04 June 2012 at 7:15 PM

Quote - 9 divided by 16 = 0.5625

It's not that kind of 'by' - it's a ratio.

For instance, I have a camcorder that records images at 16x9 but the actual size of an image is 1920 pixels wide by 1080 pixels high, if you fiddle with the document size in Bryce, you can get an image size at a ratio of 16x9 at 1080 pixels wide by 607 pixels high.

And yes, 1600 by 900 is still 16x9

So the easiest way to tell if your images are 16 by 9 - is to look at 'File/document Set up' in Bryce.

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nemirc ( ) posted Mon, 04 June 2012 at 7:34 PM

Attached Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)

This link explains all the different aspect ratios, and corresponding dimensions (in pixels). I hope this helps.

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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Mon, 04 June 2012 at 7:35 PM · edited Mon, 04 June 2012 at 7:38 PM

Hi Fran, Thanks  😄

 

i don't have bryce installed though.

i put in my NCIS dvd, it does full screen perfectly.  but windows player won't tell me the dimensions

 

thanks nemirc



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Xerxes0002 ( ) posted Mon, 04 June 2012 at 7:50 PM

If you use vlc Video LAN Client to do your video playback it has a media info window. 

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ShawnDriscoll ( ) posted Mon, 04 June 2012 at 8:51 PM · edited Mon, 04 June 2012 at 8:52 PM

For videos, just the vertical line count is used for resolution.  CD-I (mpg1) is 480, DVD (mpg2) is also 480, Bluray is 720 and 1080, etc.

The horizontal pixel count seems to be assumed because of the 16x9 or 4x3 screen ratios.  Screens will auto-stretch everything vertically/horizontally if you let them, so that adds to the confusion.

In general, CD-I is 640x480.

DVD is 740x480.

Bluray is 1280x720 and 1920x1080.

HDDVD is 1440x1080.

But your screen ratio and video player is what really controls most of this.

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 05 June 2012 at 4:53 AM · edited Tue, 05 June 2012 at 5:04 AM

Quote - Hi Fran, Thanks  😄

 

i don't have bryce installed though.

i put in my NCIS dvd, it does full screen perfectly.  but windows player won't tell me the dimensions

 

thanks nemirc

 

Eh?  You have Bryce on the same dvd as an episode of NCIS?  Weird!

How can you do animations without Bryce installed?  Are you using Cinema4D then?

On animation differences, another thing to watch out for is the difference between PAL and NTSC.  Here in the UK we use PAL, in the US they use NTSC, and the frames per second are different, in the UK it's 25 fps in the US it's 30 fps.

It's amazing the number of different settings you have to watch out for.  Widescreen - Square Pixel - Widescreen Square Pixel - HDV - HDTV  and lots more.

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MistyLaraCarrara ( ) posted Tue, 05 June 2012 at 9:03 AM

Thanks. 

I don't see a setting in poser render output for a lines setting.  Is that something a video s/w editor should take care of?

i see a screen lines setting in PSE.

 

This is the s/w i bought to start with: Sony Vegas.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003L51CZ8

 

in case anyone is interested, amazon.com has money prizes for trailers and video promos

http://studios.amazon.com/contests/34#awards/bestSeriesPromoVideo/?ref=astu_placement_AnimatorsTVQPwithmovies

 

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ShawnDriscoll ( ) posted Tue, 05 June 2012 at 4:02 PM

In Poser, you just give the height and width resolution of the camera frame.

If you are using Sony Vegas, set your Poser frame to 720x480 (DVD), 1280x720 (HD 720p), 1440x1080 (HDV2 1080p), or 1920x1080 (HDV 1080p).  Render your Poser video as sequenced PNG images and import the sequence into Sony Vegas as a video layer.  You can import several video layers in Sony Vegas, so you can break up your Poser scene into layers and render movies for each one.  It's faster that way instead of rendering your entire Poser scene for each frame.

I usually have seven video layers.  One for the sky, the background hills, the background buildings, the streets, the people and flying cars, the foreground buildings, etc.

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 05 June 2012 at 5:32 PM

ShawnDriscol,

Oh?  How do you render say... background hills, without the sky?  Is there some form of chroma keying involved?  (I've only ever used Poser5 - and that rarely.)  But I'd be interested to know.

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ShawnDriscoll ( ) posted Tue, 05 June 2012 at 9:58 PM · edited Tue, 05 June 2012 at 10:10 PM

I don't have Poser 5 installed, so I'm not sure about this method.

The mountains would be modeled objects you imported from Bryce or some other terrain modeler.  You would render them in Poser using a black color for the background.  Saving as PNG will include an alpha mask for them, so that the black background is now invisible in your video or photo editor.

Or the background for a movie could be actual footage of a real sky and mountains.  Chroma key would need to be done if separating the sky from the mountains can't be done this way.

http://youtu.be/-tIY1mOWfhc shows a scene rendered in layers.  This was Poser rendered in Vue.  But it can be done in Poser.

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FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Tue, 10 July 2012 at 6:31 AM

Black?  Right. I keep forgetting that .png uses black - or just didn't realise.  In PhotoShop it's just transparent and when you save that as a jpg the transparent turns white... 

When you render object masks in Bryce the object is white and the background is black - that inconsistancy between progs makes it confusing to remember which one does what.

When I was doing stopframe animation I used a green cloth as a backdrop, and later removed it in editing so as to drop in a different background, but these days I do my animating in either Bryce7Pro or Cinema4D, and try to do it all in one go.

I wouldn't know how to start animating in Poser.

By the way that dirigible animation is beautifully smooth and slow.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.

Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

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poisinivy ( ) posted Tue, 17 July 2012 at 8:13 PM

 when i render for animation I render for HD and my render size is always 1920 x 1080 dpi. I save my renders  in AVI formatt in DAZ studio & poser pro.

 when i use codex for saving my avi. I save as radulis codex 100% in Daz studio and Microsoft uncompressed VI in poser. for best quailty animations. if you render in PNG frames your files size will be huge and then you still need to put them together so saving as AVI is  best for longer animations runs

Then you need a movie editing program.  you can use Mircosoft Movie Maker which is  free or You can buy a good inexpensive video editing software at adobe,com called premiere elements 10 for $78 bucks. which will help you greatly when just getting started. with built in content music and movie editing help.

 

 biggest hang up I have with rendering for animation is the render times.   you got to be patient because render times can be very long. some scenes can take you days to render if your using raytrace shadow map

 

Good luck :)


FranOnTheEdge ( ) posted Wed, 18 July 2012 at 7:33 AM

Those kind of long render times is exactly why I almost never render to .avi any more, because if something interupts the render, you've lost it all, but if you are rendering to a .bmp sequence then you'll still have those frames that have already rendered and you can restart the render further along, i.e.  if 300 frames have rendered and it stopped with just another 10 frames to go, you can restart from the last 10 frames, and finish the render.  But with .avi you have to start all over again.

It's less of a problem for me because I usually like to add sound anyway so I'm used to an extra step in After Effects or Premiere Pro, so importing the bmp sequence is not a problem.

Oh and another good (& very simple) editor is Ulead Video Studio - which I last got as a set with Corel PaintShopPro X2 and is currently only around 45 quid - or $69.99 for the current VideoStudio Pro X5 - dunno how good that version is though as I haven't needed to try it.  But it does do Chroma Key green screening.

Have you used Mircosoft Movie Maker much?  What's it like?

Measure your mind's height
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Fran's Freestuff

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rokket ( ) posted Sun, 12 August 2012 at 6:51 PM

I do it the same. My workflow is a nightmare, but it works for me. I render to 1920x1080 image files, then I use GIMP if I am doing any post work. The completed image files are then loaded into VirtualDub and saved as an avi file. And both of those programs are open source, so they are free.

The cool thing about VirtualDub is that it works in both directions: you can convert image files to video, and convert a properly coded avi to image files. If you render to .png like I do, you can layer those files together in GIMP and have two animations working in sync with each other fairly seemlessly. It's because when you render to .png, only what you load in the scene is rendered. There is no background image. This is a time saver in that you only need to load any props or background images that your character is going to interact with. It's the same line of thinking as the old Looney Tunes and Hanna Barbara cartoon with the static background...

For sound, I have Reaper, which isn't free, but a license is only $60 for non commercial use, and it gives me full use of effects and an unlimited track count. I can even render those tracks to 7.1 surround if I am so inclined.

I comp all of this together in Magix Movie Edit Pro 16, which is fairly cheap (I can't vouch for the price you would pay ordering online as I got it at the military discounted price through the Navy Exchange), but extremely powerful. You have a full range of video effects there too, such as chroma keying and transition effects. It was designed to let people make somewhat professional movies from their camcorder outings...

I never render to avi from Poser. I did that back when I first started, but the long render times and the pixilization that resulted made me look for an alterative method.

This works for the talk designer too. All you have to do is sync up the original soundtrack with your render in your video software and your in.

 

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