Quote - > Quote - What I hear you saying is that the freebie provider should get paid for uploading freebies while the MP pays the cost for them to showcase their work and provides the traffic. This seems to be antithetical to the idea of being a freebie provider.

So apparently you didn't really read what I said. Maybe you should reread it.

Laurie

I read it. I understood it. I stand by what I said.

I too don't like the idea of people being charged to get my freebies. I made them free because I want them free. I'd rather be charged to be able to up load them than have people be charged to download them. If they open a MP I might be able to sell a few items to make enough to pay for my subscription. But I want people to get my free stuff for free.

On a lighter note, anyone doing a frenzy of downloading to get as mush as you can before they start charging?

Quote - I too don't like the idea of people being charged to get my freebies. I made them free because I want them free. I'd rather be charged to be able to up load them than have people be charged to download them. If they open a MP I might be able to sell a few items to make enough to pay for my subscription. But I want people to get my free stuff for free.

Exactly ;)

I already back up everything I make but I did download the images. I'll just put my freebies here. So they can STAY free.

Laurie

Laurie, you're either missing the statement, or choosing to ignore it, that sharecg freebies are operating in the red.  I read from what you write, you'd rather see the resource disappear than be asked to help pay for the storage and bandwidth that David has to pay for somehow.  They tried one business model, actually, over the years several of them and they haven't worked.  I would doubt there are many here that haven't used some resource downloaded from Sharecg, and a lot of people use a lot of downloads from there. 

Would it not have been simpler to move your stuff to wherever, removed ShareCG from your tag line, made a quiet announcement in the free stuff forum that you did and let it go at that?  They're not trying to rip anyone, they're trying to stay alive, going about it in what I see as a very reasonable manner.  Asking users of a service to help pay the cost of that service is something I don't see as unreasonable in any way.

D.

Seems like devolving toward ‘Makers’ vs. ’Takers,’ but I’ve probably been watching too much political news ÷) Some people can easily afford the fee some can’t. I think everyone realizes that, but people can be sensitive if anyone suggests (real or perceived) that it’s trivial or anyone should be able to afford it etc. I’m sure that isn’t the intent. I don’t think anyone is saying that they’d rather see Rome burn than pee on the embers either. Apparently ShareCG’s economic plan isn’t working. That’s too bad. Whether the subscription thing will work, I don’t know. Given that the 3D thing isn’t a necessity for me, and that I have too much stuff I haven’t ever used, I won’t be joining in. I’ve found some very nice things there, like RedViper’s clothing) that I would regret having missed, but such is life.

Setting up a store system would cost initially and I don’t know how long it would take for it to generate enough revenue to offset their deficit. My personal wish would be a limited free account – limited storage and downloads with banner ads. I go there seldom enough that something like that would work for me, for others not so much I’m sure. People could try to cheat with multiple accounts of course. Maybe they could grandfather in existing members only. I don’t know. There ain’t no perfect solution. I hope they do well with whatever they come up with. Someone like Trimble (née Google) 3D Warehouse, can afford the freight for maintaining free downloads. It would be nice if the big players in Poserland would join forces and … oh never mind ÷)

As for organizing freebie links … well we have the freestuff forum here, but the format isn’t ideal (no edits as mentioned) etc. A good central listing with link checking, the ability to add comments and images etc. would be wonderful, whatever happens to ShareCG. Again, this is something that certain entities might be able to do if so inclined.

Quote - Kez is on sharecg.  i hope she comes here.

Kez is now hosted on English Bob's Morphography website. So, she's as safe as any of us for the moment. Did you know she has a new Country and Western outfit? Just put up within the last couple of days.

Quote - they won't charge IMVHO.  they know it's a lose-lose situation.  YMMV

Miss N I caught wind of this over at FB. So I sent ShareCG a mail asking them if they were or if it was just a rumor using their "contact us" system. 

I got a reply back from someone named David over there, who said yes they are going to start charging around .80 cents USD per day. Or roughtly ten dollars for a year of ad free membership there.

Now I"m with Lesbently on that one. It's just too crazy to ask me to pay, for the honor of giving away my work for free. 

So that said, I was going to set something up to replace what we will be losing at sharecg, if someone is interested in partnering with me too set something up. 

By partnering I mean I need someone with the tech know how to help me in putting up and then admin a site, I'll foot all the costs of a domain name etc....I just need some help with the tech know how, since the last time I had my own website geocities was still around and it was built using geocities in fact. ;)

P.S. If you'd be willing to help with the tech know how pm me here. Thanks D

I see someone speaking that either has tons of money to give to us, or hasn't looked into web hosting costs yet.  The free sites aren't as free, in what you can put in it, in byte count (storage) and bandwidth.  Up to a point, yes, then it's free as long as you can tolerate the advertising.  Beyond that point, it gets expensive fast.

I have no idea what the byte count in either storage or bandwidth of ShareCG is, only that it has to be huge on both counts.  It would not surprise me to learn that ShareCG is in the terrabytes, although I don't really know. 

If you believe you can pull it off, kudos and more power to you.  My own thoughts would be that in maybe a year, the same plea, "We're in the red!  Help!" will be heard.  The web ain't free, it isn't even cheap.

D.

From the OTHER site, a note from David at ShareCG:

We'll be announcing our road-map on the blog and
directly to users who have items uploaded on the site, next Monday.
Basically we will be giving all users the option to pay and not see any
advertisements or not pay and see advertisements. There's more to this
scenario, but this is the basic concept. Essentially if you don't want
to pay you will experience the site as you have been experiencing it
with no change.

There's more detail that you'll see on Monday, but by giving all users
these options they can decide for themselves how they want to experience
the site.

Now aren't you all glad you didn't panic.

sharecg has done this before and it makes people very nervous about the long term viability of a site. If thats what they do it easy enough to reupload my stuff.   I am a bit miffed that I didnt get any emails from sharecg about this whole thing.  

Quote - sharecg has done this before and it makes people very nervous about the long term viability of a site. If thats what they do it easy enough to reupload my stuff.   I am a bit miffed that I didnt get any emails from sharecg about this whole thing.  

Really? I have been a long time user of ShareCG and have had freebies there for a couple of years now, and this is the first time I have ever seen something like this.

Woot! The Make a Donation to the freebie contibutor is back up! Yay!

I didn't panic. My stuff is still there, like it has been ;)

Laurie

Fwiw the email I recieved was not just sent out en mass I only got it because I had made a specific inquiry. 

There are two things that turns me off about this deal.

Number one, the cavalier attitude I was given (you'd understand if I posted the email here which I won't do) 

And then there's this. Way way way back when the place first started, we were all supposed to share in revenues generated by ads there. I like many others never saw one red dime of the money we'd earned under that "concept" or system if you will.

This latest as far as I see it, is just adding another further insult to what remained as some bad feelings of being "used" so to speak from that original deal.

And again I'm sorry but it's crazy to ask me to pay person A, so I can then give away my intellectual property to person B for free.

That is not usually how anyone of these brokerages work ya know lol.

So I'll just see if I can't get us all an alternative together somehow someplace.

Wish me luck. As over the next few days I look at what I have been suggested and what I can find.

Oh and um mods/admins I'm not sure if this OT subject is alright to discuss. IF I am breaking the tos by asking for the assistance I asked for, to start up a new freebie place. Please remove these posts immediately and let me know so I won't do it again in the future. 

D 

Quote -  And then there's this. Way way way back when the place first started, we were all supposed to share in revenues generated by ads there. I like many others never saw one red dime of the money we'd earned under that "concept" or system if you will.

 

Revenues from the ads did not cover the cost of running the site. How can payment be expected from no profit--10% of nothing is nothing, after all.

Why not post your "freebies" in a market if you are expecting to get paid for them?

Quote - From the OTHER site, a note from David at ShareCG:

We'll be announcing our road-map on the blog and
directly to users who have items uploaded on the site, next Monday.
Basically we will be giving all users the option to pay and not see any
advertisements or not pay and see advertisements. There's more to this
scenario, but this is the basic concept. Essentially if you don't want
to pay you will experience the site as you have been experiencing it
with no change.

There's more detail that you'll see on Monday, but by giving all users
these options they can decide for themselves how they want to experience
the site.

 

Now aren't you all glad you didn't panic.

Where abouts did you see this? Just curious.

I sent the link to you.

Quote - Laurie, you're either missing the statement, or choosing to ignore it, that sharecg freebies are operating in the red.

...

Not to sound harsh, but that's their problem not mine. Somehow I don't think they'd pay me if I was unable to pay for a website and had to close it. It's one of those "that's the way the cookie crumbles" moments. While I appreciated it's existence, I am not responsible for it's continued existence. It's rough for everyone right now in this economic climate - obviously for them as well. I expect we'll see more sites disappear before it's all said and done. Whatever they end up doing, I wish them luck. I'm not giving them the finger because they want to make me pay. I'll just migrate to a site that won't charge me - I made my freebies to be free, but they also have to be free for me to give. I just can't afford otherwise.

I will post my freebies here. It's not a huge deal.

Laurie

So there are differences in viewpoint, Laurie.  "Not your problem", true, from your viewpoint.  My viewpoint, it's a resource we're in danger of losing, yet again. 

That the models are free doesn't necessarily mean the service to provide them has to be.  And, if I understand correctly, the only difference is that the advertising will go away for subscribers.  Ten bucks go make the slow loading advertising go away, I'm in.

D.

Doesn't anybody use an ad blocker? 

All they had to do was make it ad free and free for anybody who

contribues models, but charge the $10 annual fee for people

who only download other's stuff. 

(face:palm)!

I think ad blockers were probably the reason they didn't make money from them in the first place ;).

Laurie

If anybody is interested, I have uploaded most of my free textures here ;

http://www.pfddelights.com/index.php?board=18.0

I try to upload a new freebie and get the usual screen minus the space where you link to your zip file. Result : actually I can't upload anything. A bug or something else going on ?

Quote - Everybody has access to my freebies and it doesn't cost me or you a cent.

Just sayin.

(Psst - Google web sites are free.)

(Psst - Even Google App Engine is free until you have enough traffic that you could actually make money. That means you can run apps in the cloud for nothin.)

Yep, There are also free web hosting services.  000webhost, awardspace.com, zymic.com to name a few.  My website is being hosted for free.

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to say just let em burn.

They really offer no service or benefit other than a place for people to store freebies, and blantantly making money off the generosity of others just kinda rubs me raw.

Quote - The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to say just let em burn.

And at the same time, prove either you choose not to read, or can't comprehend what you did read, if you did.  NOW HEAR THIS!  If one goes to DAZ commons and finds the thread on the same subject, there is an email posted from David, who is the CEO of the company owning and operating ShareCG.  If you read it very, very carefully, it states:

If you choose not to pay, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.  If you DON'T  LIKE THE ADS that are already there, pay the ten bucks.

And I'm certain, Garree, you'll be positively thrilled to know, I have nothing of yours in my runtime.  Re read the "Let'em burn".

I think the thread is "ShareCG in trouble" or something like that, top of page 7.

D.

To make it even more ridiculous, that same email is reposted in the sixth post down on THIS page.  Let's put the wild speculation and paranoia  away until OFFICIAL word comes from ShareCG.

D.

The letter:

http://www10.sharecg.com/blogs/david-heller/2012/09/23/an-open-letter-from-the-founder-of-sharecg

should be worded more carefully, PXXX because that's not what it says.

Quote - We are considering changing the ShareCG business model from banner ads to a subscription model.

It does not say adding to the business model to allow people to opt out of banner ads. It seems totally reasonable to interpret that it says everybody pays, including submitters. If he wants people to understand something other than what it says, it should not say what it says.

Then it goes on to talk about a bunch of "facebook"-like stuff that, frankly, I can't get interested in. I think the Rendo freebie search engine is good enough, and if I could be the slightest bit bothered to actually put my stuff in a search engine, it would be here.

Quote - They really offer no service or benefit other than a place for people to store freebies,

Apparantly, you have never been a newbie on a budget and/or do not appreciate the many wonderful items that contributors post and/or enjoy spending hours of creaative time searching the Internet for a free item that would be "just perfect" for a project/render.

How nice for you!

Oh - and if you go to Google and search, for example "free Poser shaders" - my Google site is the third result. Hmmm - that works pretty well.

Of course, maybe Google is scamming me by showing me my own site so high up. Perhaps that isn't what you guys see.

Sharecg doesn't show up in Google results until page 4. Weak. No wonder they can't get people to see the ads.

Quote - > Quote - They really offer no service or benefit other than a place for people to store freebies,

Apparantly, you have never been a newbie on a budget and/or do not appreciate the many wonderful items that contributors post and/or enjoy spending hours of creaative time searching the Internet for a free item that would be "just perfect" for a project/render.

How nice for you!

Yes I have been. And I maintain that there are more gigs and gigs of freebies out there that are VERY easy to locate without sharecg.

Should they go down, the only thing you loose is what is actually stored there. But there are thousands of freebies hosted on hindereds of websites. its really not that big a deal if they closed doors tomorrow.

Use google and search, its REALLY easy, and the vast majority of freebies are NOT at sharecg, but are at other sites anyway.

I've created and released many freebies as well, and I've done it to help others out, or provide something not available elsewhere. Why should I allow someone else to make money off something I've created and given to others for free?

Quote - Yes I have been. And I maintain that there are more gigs and gigs of freebies out there that are VERY easy to locate without sharecg.

Should they go down, the only thing you loose is what is actually stored there. But there are thousands of freebies hosted on hindereds of websites. its really not that big a deal if they closed doors tomorrow.

Use google and search, its REALLY easy, and the vast majority of freebies are NOT at sharecg, but are at other sites anyway.

I've created and released many freebies as well, and I've done it to help others out, or provide something not available elsewhere. Why should I allow someone else to make money off something I've created and given to others for free?

 

How is it making money off other people's work when the entire cost of the site (from what I understand over $1000/month) is paid by the owner? Where is the profit in that? As has been noted, the $10/year will only be for those who want an ad-free view. ALL others will still be free. I am guessing that there will be other perks for subscribers. We won't know until Monday what those are.

Yes, there are hundreds of sites avaialbe, but why should I spend my creative time searching all of them while possibly endangering my computer  to still not come up with want I am looking for?

I think it would be more in the vein of "to help others out" to not require them to visit in some cases poorly designed sites, sites that may contain viscious code, that contain many broken links, etc. in order to find what most times can be found very easily at ShareCG.

Quote - > Quote - The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to say just let em burn.

And at the same time, prove either you choose not to read, or can't comprehend what you did read, if you did.  NOW HEAR THIS!  If one goes to DAZ commons and finds the thread on the same subject, there is an email posted from David, who is the CEO of the company owning and operating ShareCG.  If you read it very, very carefully, it states:

If you choose not to pay, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.  If you DON'T  LIKE THE ADS that are already there, pay the ten bucks.

And I'm certain, Garree, you'll be positively thrilled to know, I have nothing of yours in my runtime.  Re read the "Let'em burn".

I think the thread is "ShareCG in trouble" or something like that, top of page 7.

 D.

I was speaking about the original open letter detailing their intent. Obviously you aren't even considering the history of the site either.

Originally, the "carrot" to host your freebies there was that you'd be paid on ad revenue. So they get a bunch of content FREE to use to get money from ad banners.

Ad banners supposedly never paid off, so no one ever was paid a dime. BUT they still got money from advertisers.

Now they want to charge members to get content which they've obtained for FREE. And the point? To make the site commercially profitable. On Other people's work. Which they have available and cost them nothing at all to obtain.

I don't care whatever updates or clarification they've made. the bottom line it originally, they were going to compensate people to build a catalog there, and the reality is they never did.

I didn't create my freebies so someone else can make money on them. I created them to give back to the community, and I can host my free items at more places than I can even count. Places that do not intend to make money redistributing my content creations.

And as far as the snipe about not owning any of my products, fine. Your are obviously a jerk, and I'm glad you haven't bought any of them, because you don't deserve to own the very reasonably priced items I've created over the years.

I hope you also don't have any of the content I've worked on and sold to DAZ since you hate me so much for not wanting someone else to profit from MY work without compensating me for it. Or any of the freebies I've released as well, since you don't support who do provide free items for people to enjoy.

How can you justify someone else taking something you've created, not giving you anything at all for taking it, and then turning around to make money on it?

Please tell me what they actually offer that you cannot obtain on the web, other than other people's work they store there, and why if they vaporized tomorrow the world would end.

I see no reason at all to support them any longer, since I can store free digital content at a million places.

Quote - Use google and search, its REALLY easy, and the vast majority of freebies are NOT at sharecg, but are at other sites anyway.

I've created and released many freebies as well, and I've done it to help others out, or provide something not available elsewhere. Why should I allow someone else to make money off something I've created and given to others for free?

 

Um, yaass.  Use Google and go to a hundred different sites with "Now where did I see that?" probably never finding what you were looking for.  Spend a day or two on line, when I could spend four or five hours with Wings and make the damned thing myself.

(Part two) How about, because a lot of us choose not to have a site of our own and the headaches of maintaining it when it's just as easy to put it on ShareCG.  Then explain why anyone feels they're giving something away, and someone else should pay the cost of hosting it.  Why should David pay the cost of hosting everyone else?  Are you ready to step in and offer that if he goes down?  I think to even suggest you did that would be insulting to you.

Let's leave the paranoia somewhere else, this is getting blatantly ridiculous.

D.

I didn't create my freebies so someone else can make money on them.

How can you justify someone else taking something you've created, not giving you anything at all for taking it, and then turning around to make money on it?

I take it then that all of your freebies are for non-commercial use only.

Quote - How about, because a lot of us choose not to have a site of our own and the headaches of maintaining it when it's just as easy to put it on ShareCG. 

I'm fine with the discussion, but I'd like to point out this is posturing and not the least bit true.

I post my freebies on my own site, because it is absolutely trivial. It is way easier than uploading to any of the freebie engines or sites. If I want to replace a zip file with an update, I don't have to fill out any forms. If I want to edit the text and include pictures where and how I want, I have a WYSIWYG editor in Google sites.

As for maintaining, that's a myth or something. I don't maintain anything. If I died today, you would have zero evidence of it from going to my site. It requires no involvement to maintain.

Quote - How is it making money off other people's work when the entire cost of the site (from what I understand over $1000/month) is paid by the owner? Where is the profit in that? As has been noted, the $10/year will only be for those who want an ad-free view. ALL others will still be free. I am guessing that there will be other perks for subscribers. We won't know until Monday what those are. Yes, there are hundreds of sites avaialbe, but why should I spend my creative time searching all of them while possibly endangering my computer  to still not come up with want I am looking for?

I think it would be more in the vein of "to help others out" to not require them to visit in some cases poorly designed sites, sites that may contain viscious code, that contain many broken links, etc. in order to find what most times can be found very easily at ShareCG.

Just because its been a bad business model does not mean it isn't a business. And what IS a business? A company that provides goods or services for money.

Look at thier future plans:

We are considering changing the ShareCG business model from banner ads to a subscription model. I am proposing that members subscribe at just $9.99 a year for a banner free ShareCG that will have the resources to add services that will make the site a better place to visit and that will bring the community closer together. We have a number of projects planned and ready to go that will:

• Add ‘Friends’ to bring true social media and collaboration to the site

*So this doesn't sound like facebook or deviant art at all? Commercial websites. Worth millions of dollars.  *

• Add the ability for you to sell your creations like 3D Models and Poser and DAZ assets directly from ShareCG.

And this doesn't sound like they are wanting to turn a profit either? I'm sure they will allow people to sell products there for free, and not take a percantage like other content brokers like Rendo or Daz.

People are acting like Sharecg is a huge charity, and the the only one of its kind on the web, when in fact it IS a buisness (even if run poorly) and does hope to profit off the generosity of other people's hard work without compensating them for it.

And is only one of hundereds of places to provide online storage for digital items.

They aren't feeding or sheltering the homeless. They are just a business trying to make money off content they've obtained for free from the generosity of others.

Look for GareeeMoo over there.. you'll notice I have some of my freebies there. I also have many at 4shared, and other places as well.

Quote -

I didn't create my freebies so someone else can make money on them.

How can you justify someone else taking something you've created, not giving you anything at all for taking it, and then turning around to make money on it?

I take it then that all of your freebies are for non-commercial use only.

My freebies have no restrictions on use what so ever, other then trying to sell it to others, and they neve rhave had any restrictions at all.

Some are just my way of saying "thank you" to people who HAVE bought my products, giving them some more value for their hard earned money. I didn't need to make them, but wanted to thank everyone who does support my work.

Quote - I don't care whatever updates or clarification they've made. the bottom line it originally, they were going to compensate people to build a catalog there, and the reality is they never did.

 

And as far as the snipe about not owning any of my products, fine. Your are obviously a jerk, and I'm glad you haven't bought any of them, because you don't deserve to own the very reasonably priced items I've created over the years.

(Part one) "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up."

(Part two) Because your interests and products are far different from mine.  But rather than considering there might be a legitimate reason I don't have any of your work, you'd rather jump to the hate conclusion.  But the shoe on the other foot doesn't seem to fit too well. 

Yes,your prices are reasonable, until you consider that none of your product fits in with my ideas, at which time they become far too expensive.  Others may have a different opinion.

I'm not looking at what they did in the past, only what they're proposing now.  I'm willing to pay the ten bucks a year to get rid of the advertising, that's cheap.  The other things mentioned, the social media thing, not interested in any social media.  Marketplace, maybe, if anyone can put up things I might be interested in.  But until tomorrow, this is all "I saw a price and I'm against it no matter what it said."  At least someone was interested enough to request a clarification, it would be nice if more peope would be interested enough to read the damned thing.

D.

Yeah, this doesn't look like a slight directed towards me at ALL:

"And I'm certain, Garree, you'll be positively thrilled to know, I have nothing of yours in my runtime. Re read the "Let'em burn"."

And who is blinding themselves to facts?

"I'm not looking at what they did in the past, only what they're proposing now. "

So, I guess if they killed puppies, that would be ok because you like what they are doing now?

And just because they realized they had a huge backlash on their hands, and reversed direction as damage control doesn't mean I need to swallow the propoganda.

Quote - So, I guess if they killed puppies, that would be ok because you like what they are doing now?

And just because they realized they had a huge backlash on their hands, and reversed direction as damage control doesn't mean I need to swallow the propoganda.

Now there is some loaded rhetoric! As Americans (don't know about the rest of the world) have no problem it seems with companies who kill animals for the testing of products (e.g. make-up) and are planning to use humans to test genetically modified foods, this arguement falls a bit flat.

Meanwhile, in reading several other forums and blogs, this is the only one that has a majority of negative comments. Others have shown themselves to be much more open to this idea, so I don't think it is "backlash." I think the original letter was just poorly worded.

Quote - Yeah, this doesn't look like a slight directed towards me at ALL:

"And I'm certain, Garree, you'll be positively thrilled to know, I have nothing of yours in my runtime. Re read the "Let'em burn"."

Isn't it amazing how bad the shoe you created feels when it's on your own foot? 

D.

[quote

Meanwhile, in reading several other forums and blogs, this is the only one that has a majority of negative comments. Others have shown themselves to be much more open to this idea, so I don't think it is "backlash." I think the original letter was just poorly worded.

Well said.

D.

Keep this on topic please. I'm not really seeing what personal attacks have anything to do with ShareCG. If you don't have something constructive to add to the post, don't post.

Thanks guys.

ShareCG is a business. It is an unsucessful business, (at least not sucessful enough for the owner's liking), yet it has existed for many years. I don't believe it could have lasted as long as it did if it was taking a loss the whole time.

Some people are misplacing a sense of gratitude that should be directed at the free stuff creators. ShareCG doesn't give you free stuff. The creators do. ShareCG has made its living on free stuff. 

I just love how they deleted my comment after it was approved which wasn't really that bad in the first place, but more of a trying to help out tone, considering it was heartfelt and I have posted there frequently my creations no matter how good or horrid they were.

What I don't get is they expect you to pay for a site which yeilds poor search results, amongst other standing issues since it's inception. 

So basically they are gonna charge under the disguise of ad free banners to upload or download freebies... Now 10 bucks a year isn't much in most cases, and in which if the site was better run, I probably wouldn't have a problem with it, to help support it. But this is a joke, no, this is slapstick comedy. Specifically if you can download alot of the freebies that are posted there on much more established sites, without having to pay a yearly fee. Did they not think of that, or is exclusivity in the "buisness model" which hasn't been disclosed yet.

Pretty much I was gonna wait and see where this went, especially with the storefront idea looming. But one small action speaks louder than a thousand empty words.

oh well, so be it, good luck on that...

Sigh Once more . . .

Hi .... We'll be announcing our road-map on the blog and
directly to users who have items uploaded on the site, next Monday.
Basically we will be giving all users the option to pay and not see any
advertisements or not pay and see advertisements. There's more to this
scenario, but this is the basic concept. Essentially if you don't want
to pay you will experience the site as you have been experiencing it
with no change.

There's more detail that you'll see on Monday, but by giving all users
these options they can decide for themselves how they want to experience
the site.

Cheers,

David
ShareCG Admin

Ok so that is sorted out. About the "experiance" of SCG. Good to know others have that option.

Quote - Oh - and if you go to Google and search, for example "free Poser shaders" - my Google site is the third result. Hmmm - that works pretty well.

Of course, maybe Google is scamming me by showing me my own site so high up. Perhaps that isn't what you guys see.

Sharecg doesn't show up in Google results until page 4. Weak. No wonder they can't get people to see the ads.

BB, your Bagginsbill freebie site comes up second on the list for me on Google, searching on "Free Poser Shaders", and that's me signed out of my Google account... so there shouldn't be any user profiling based bias... I don't think. Unless their cookies persisted in some form... I couldn't be bothered checking that.

Hmmm.... I'm wondering how much the fact it is a Google Sites hosted site might help your ranking? He he. Anyway...

Typing "Free Poser Models" into Google... I'm not seeing sharecg anywhere in the list until page 11. Are other people getting similar?

Based on that, I'd have thought that they really need to work on their SEO, apart from anything else... if they're after advertiser revenue???

I suppose I managed to find it somehow. But not sure exactly how. I think it was possibly linked to from an item indexed in Rendo's freestuff catalogue.

Maybe it does better on more precise search terms. But the Google robots will largely only have the published meta tags etc from the sharecg internal indexing system, to go on there?

I use sharecg quite a bit as a downloader and I wouldn't otherwise knock it, myself. Indeed I very much appreciate it being there.

But, I wouldn't pay to use it, whilst there are other free to use freestuff sites... and I probably always come to look at the Rendo freestuff section first too, anyway...

Well, that's my tuppence worth shoehorned in... don't know how typical an end-user I am... but I kind of suspect I'm fairly typical, in a lot of ways...

And in amusing related news, 4shared just announced they are "going social" as well.

http://blog.4shared.com/4shared-social/

So, when does Rendo add social facebook and twitter sharing? ;)