thanks Mrs Sparky

i should prolly get to work on that, lol, the idea behind my site is purely promotional and not selling directly.

"I have a better idea.  Get the renderosity developer to add a language filter and let people choose if they want to see bad words or not. That is the proper way to do it."

Alternatively one could develop a more intelligent/Adult vocabulary.

Then perhaps one might be able express ones various NEWBIE/BEGINNER frustrations with  Zbrush and obvious lack of experience with the poser render engine, without resorting to the profane invective of some urban street gang member.

just a thought

Cheers

I've asked myself the same question for the last 10 years. I started modelling earlier this year in the forlorn hope that I could make a few quid from selling content, but as an earlier poster, Vilters, i think ,stated, the quality of a lot of stuff in the MP has increased but the prices have been slashed to compete with the aparently huge increase in content creators. I have come to the conclusion that you can't make anything apart from a bit of pocket money out of Poser, and that will probably nowhere near recompense you for the amount of money you will spend on for example material and texture sets for your models, let alone the time taken to build them. As in most business situations where you need an agent to sell for you, you will finish up having to pay them 30-40% commission for the priviledge of them "marketing" or not, your product.  Hats off to the guys that keep the MP going, but personally I'm just happy building the models I need for my own personal use and using Poser as a hobbyists tool. At least it keeps me off the streets, that and the curfew lol :)

the clearance section is pages to see what isn't selling.

Quote - the clearance section is pages to see what isn't selling.

Yes and no...... it shows items that aren't selling here, but it may also hold items that have sold well in the past. Then there's also the whole different store, different audience thing. Not everyone buys at Rendo and not every vendor sells well at Rendo, but they may do very well at other stores.

You will find great vendors that do well at RDNA or CP or DAZ or other places, but don't sell here at all and the other way around. I know a good number of vendors that do badly here, but do well at RDNA, very well even. So, clearance doesn't tell the whole story.

Don't forget store format and policy as well, it can get in the way of selling items. Each store has it's own policy, but it doesn't work for everyone. Rendo has a certain format and policy that doesn't suit everyone and for them it can hurt sales pretty badly, while a different store policy and format suits theur items much better and helps sales along.

If you sell content, you need to find the place your customers are at and where your content will flourish.

Quote - "I have a better idea.  Get the renderosity developer to add a language filter and let people choose if they want to see bad words or not. That is the proper way to do it."

Alternatively one could develop a more intelligent/Adult vocabulary.

Then perhaps one might be able express ones various NEWBIE/BEGINNER frustrations with  Zbrush and obvious lack of experience with the poser render engine, without resorting to the profane invective of some urban street gang member.

just a thought

Cheers

I don't see why you suddenly feel the need to insult urban street gangs by comparing them to this tool.

Quote - "I have a better idea.  Get the renderosity developer to add a language filter and let people choose if they want to see bad words or not. That is the proper way to do it."

Alternatively one could develop a more intelligent/Adult vocabulary.

Then perhaps one might be able express ones various NEWBIE/BEGINNER frustrations with  Zbrush and obvious lack of experience with the poser render engine, without resorting to the profane invective of some urban street gang member.

just a thought

Cheers

When you design an application you should try to adhere to the most common user interfaces. Most of the time I can take an application I've never used and pick up the basics within 5-10 minutes because the developer didn't try to re-invent the wheel.

Fricken Fraken Frick!

Love, Zanzo.

"When you design an application you should try to adhere to the most common user interfaces."

I actually agree with you in this regard

But Zbrush, among many things , is well known for its "nonstandard interface".

yet still you chose buy a license when you had plenty of Videos all over the web demonstrating its unorthodox workflow.

Make wiser purchasing decisions in the future perhaps??

Cheers

Most forums you will be warned for being
rude argumentative ,off topic ,cursing etc etc.
3 times then your gone ,band.

Want to do good as a content creator ,Then be a high end content creator.

Quote - zazzl isn't making me rich. it isn't making anything. :(   http://www.zazzle.com/kittehgirrl :)

could i really make money rendering adult entertainment?  is there a niche for toonish a.e.?

Are you kidding?  I'm still shocked people use daz and poser to render images that don't involve porn.

If you're good at making top quality renders then yes you can make some decent money on the side.  Take a really messed up fantasy you have and bring it to life. Then send me a link so I can see it! lol

Pretty sure that there are many who would consider much of the "pin-up" art posted in the galleries here nothing more than porn. As much as I like pin up and erotic art (if skillfully done, generally NOT with poser) I'm always a little curious why multitudes of poser artists seem to concentrate so heavily on Nekkid Vicky. In particular the "attempt" at photorealism variety in a vacuous environment. Why go to all the trouble when porn of the real variety is so readily available and so utterly disposable?

Quote - > Quote - Are you kidding?  I'm still shocked people use daz and poser to render images that don't involve porn.

I do with the greatest of respect find that to be a little narrow minded. Are you suggesting that because the software package "A" contains nude base models that its' only use is the creation of porn?

If that is your argument, then you must add all the other 3d model apps into the mix. I'm sure that there are any number of users who do exactly that and the market places on various sites cater to their tastes and desires. I mean it is a bit like saying just because i have a camera I should be photographing nude models?. It is a tool that can be used to output what you desire. If porn is your thing then fair enough, it's a free world. i don't think I'm alone in having tried to accomplish a tasteful or moody nude portrait using cgi in my time, and i have to say failed miserably. I feel sorry for the people who have recently come to appreciate cgi as a hobby if they are under the impression from threads like this that the only future for them is porn. The OP asked how can I make money from poser, if the only answer is by making porn, SM needs to step up its marketing lol

maybe, some of that whips and cuffs stuff? 

still no zazzl money.  they do have rating filters, maybe i should try the whips and chains stuff on a mug or mousepad?

Quote - still no zazzl money.  they do have rating filters, maybe i should try the whips and chains stuff on a mug or mousepad?

Do you make renders and put them on stickers and mugs to sell them? I'm just trying to understand the site.

Quote - > Quote - still no zazzl money.  they do have rating filters, maybe i should try the whips and chains stuff on a mug or mousepad?

Do you make renders and put them on stickers and mugs to sell them? I'm just trying to understand the site.

That's basically it.  there's dimension templates to size your renders for the different items, as png or psd.

they uses dpi

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - still no zazzl money.  they do have rating filters, maybe i should try the whips and chains stuff on a mug or mousepad?

Do you make renders and put them on stickers and mugs to sell them? I'm just trying to understand the site.

 

That's basically it.  there's dimension templates to size your renders for the different items, as png or psd.

they uses dpi

The nature of your renders are like kitties and furry humanoids right?  That is very popular.  Have you advertised on forums where people are into that? Also have you considered doing custom renders for people? A kitty character of their very own on a mug or sticker or tshirt? The next level is adult. Do custom renders of KITTIES in action if you catch my drift.

Identify what keywords best describe your product in a unique way and then try putting $10.00 in a google adwords account.

Just thinking out loud.

Quote - Correct Chris.

Poser does what it does. It Poses content.

Most end users do not create (few of us do) , but most just Pose @ render.

Those that ""create"" are the true artists.

I am sure you did not mean this the way that it sounds, but really it is kind of offensive. I occasionally will do some textures for my models and I do postwork in photoshop, but I have created some scenes in Poser that took me weeks to set up and the results were what I might hope would be seen as artistic.

I once saw a similar comment by a vendor whom I had previously favored and purchased from frequently. I was  offended enough that I have never purchased another item from that vendor. We people who just  "Pose and Render" as you would call us are the reason this market exists.

Let me give you the perspective of someone who has done traditional art. Both myself and my girlfriend have had our oils in galleries, and gallery painters ask the same question -- how can I make any money with my paintings? It's just not something everyone is in the market for.

 She has make her most money doing huge paintings of giraffes on commission from a private collector who just loves giraffes and wants to put some in the lobbies of the buildings he manages. I have made the most money with pen-and-ink illustrations for small magazines because they are easy and cost-effective to reproduce into print. The wide range of colors and tonalities in a Poser render almost totally excludes them from being purchased by publications because they would be too expensive to print. (You can reduce number of colors and dynamic range in Photoshop for a very good reason).

The downside is that a customer will fax his pic requirements on a Fri night and says he needs all the finished product to be sent overnight to him by Mon. And then there is that nasty something called a "kill fee" which is a trifling payment for your efforts when the editor finds this month's issue doesn't quite have room for that illustration you stayed up all night to finish.

You gotta love it or you will leave it, and smoozing with editors and art directors is an absolute requirement, even if they are boring and overbearing or even smell bad. Good luck all! 

Let me give you the perspective of someone who has done traditional art. Both myself and my girlfriend have had our oils in galleries, and gallery painters ask the same question -- how can I make any money with my paintings? It's just not something everyone is in the market for.

 She has make her most money doing huge paintings of giraffes on commission from a private collector who just loves giraffes and wants to put some in the lobbies of the buildings he manages. I have made the most money with pen-and-ink illustrations for small magazines because they are easy and cost-effective to reproduce into print. The wide range of colors and tonalities in a Poser render almost totally excludes them from being purchased by publications because they would be too expensive to print. (You can reduce number of colors and dynamic range in Photoshop for a very good reason).

The downside is that a customer will fax his pic requirements on a Fri night and says he needs all the finished product to be sent overnight to him by Mon. And then there is that nasty something called a "kill fee" which is a trifling payment for your efforts when the editor finds this month's issue doesn't quite have room for that illustration you stayed up all night to finish.

You gotta love it or you will leave it, and smoozing with editors and art directors is an absolute requirement, even if they are boring and overbearing or even smell bad. Good luck all! 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - still no zazzl money.  they do have rating filters, maybe i should try the whips and chains stuff on a mug or mousepad?

Do you make renders and put them on stickers and mugs to sell them? I'm just trying to understand the site.

 

That's basically it.  there's dimension templates to size your renders for the different items, as png or psd.

they uses dpi

The nature of your renders are like kitties and furry humanoids right?  That is very popular.  Have you advertised on forums where people are into that? Also have you considered doing custom renders for people? A kitty character of their very own on a mug or sticker or tshirt? The next level is adult. Do custom renders of KITTIES in action if you catch my drift.

Identify what keywords best describe your product in a unique way and then try putting $10.00 in a google adwords account.

Just thinking out loud.

as an experiment, i put a render with a nipple showing on a stein.

tee hee

http://www.zazzle.com/fantastx_september_2012_coffee_mugs-168593883991667932

Quote -
as an experiment, i put a render with a nipple showing on a stein.

tee hee

http://www.zazzle.com/fantastx_september_2012_coffee_mugs-168593883991667932

I'm not a lawyer.
There's complicated rules & laws about porn from country's ,states etc etc.
Crossing state lines.country lines.
Every ones definition of porn is different.

Host provider charge a lot more if they consider your site porn.

there

they're

their

Quote - I am sure you did not mean this the way that it sounds, but really it is kind of offensive. I occasionally will do some textures for my models and I do postwork in photoshop, but I have created some scenes in Poser that took me weeks to set up and the results were what I might hope would be seen as artistic.

I once saw a similar comment by a vendor whom I had previously favored and purchased from frequently. I was  offended enough that I have never purchased another item from that vendor. We people who just  "Pose and Render" as you would call us are the reason this market exists.

Kool avatar ,Where is your gallery ?

I consider my self a CGI Artist.I don't care what others consider me.

Don't know if just Hobbyist sells would be enough to keep Renderosity up & running.
I would expect there's a lot of sells to Pro's.
Renderosity merchandise is all Professional grade.

lol, opportune timing with the new store items

Power Whip for M4 & V4 with poses

Quote - > Quote - The secret..? Get the right filters:) or packages for Photoshop. Rons brushes is a must. Saves you lots of time and delivers professional results. Might have to splash out some cash but they are worth it. Filterforge is a good package to start off with. You can use it for free for a month and download all the filters you want.

Thanks Zev0... yeah I've seen filterforge... the topazlabs stuff RorrKonn mentions looks good too... that said, it's possible to do a heck of a lot I find, in terms of image processing, just with the built in Filters and levels / curves etc in the PS Image menu.

PS CS5 Extended has some other pretty nifty tricks up it's sleeve for 3d stuff too of course... like puppet warp for example.

I've certainly been considering some pre-made brushes recently... specifically now I'm getting into considering featuring more effects... explosions, fire and so forth in scenes.

However I was really meaning more stuff like overpainting techniques I guess. It's my oil painter's brain thinking here about how one might work (PS brush work, etc) on top of a render... without just obliterating it, of course...

...I know this is largely just about layering, and building up in increments... guess I'm just interested to know what different folk do in terms of postwork...

Hi monkeycloud

I have an online buddy who has learnt the basics of Poser just so she has something to paint (as she's mainly into portrait photography etc).  Here's one of her galleries http://www.pbase.com/sianp/corel_painter_x_painting_poser_photoshop.  She's no expert in either painting and/or Poser but hopes to combine the two to get to a decent level at some time.  She's still learning both but says out of the two she reckons Poser is the hardest so I reckon if you're competent with Poser you're half way there :-)

regards

ajay

Quote - > Quote - I am sure you did not mean this the way that it sounds, but really it is kind of offensive. I occasionally will do some textures for my models and I do postwork in photoshop, but I have created some scenes in Poser that took me weeks to set up and the results were what I might hope would be seen as artistic.

I once saw a similar comment by a vendor whom I had previously favored and purchased from frequently. I was  offended enough that I have never purchased another item from that vendor. We people who just  "Pose and Render" as you would call us are the reason this market exists.

Kool avatar ,Where is your gallery ?

I consider my self a CGI Artist.I don't care what others consider me.

Don't know if just Hobbyist sells would be enough to keep Renderosity up & running.
I would expect there's a lot of sells to Pro's.
Renderosity merchandise is all Professional grade.

I used to have my stuff on several different sites. I closed some galleries due to my "real job" getting in the way of me having enough time to have fun this stuff.  I do have one gallery that I still have a few things up on and I am trying to find time to post to. Of course I do this for fun, so don't look for professional quality. The link is below.

http://quantumriver.deviantart.com/

Quote -Kool avatar ,Where is your gallery ?

I consider my self a CGI Artist.I don't care what others consider me.

Don't know if just Hobbyist sells would be enough to keep Renderosity up & running.
I would expect there's a lot of sells to Pro's.
Renderosity merchandise is all Professional grade.

I used to have my stuff on several different sites. I closed some galleries due to my "real job" getting in the way of me having enough time to have fun this stuff.  I do have one gallery that I still have a few things up on and I am trying to find time to post to. Of course I do this for fun, so don't look for professional quality. The link is below.

http://quantumriver.deviantart.com/

I rather enjoy a passionate amateurs Artist that had very little talent even with a pencil.

Then a unpassionate Pro that was prefect but just done it for $$$ .

If there's no heart in it ,then I don't get the point.

Drizzt's is all heart.

I enjoyed your talented galley thanks for the link.

Quote -  

 

I rather enjoy a passionate amateurs Artist that had very little talent even with a pencil.

Then a unpassionate Pro that was prefect but just done it for $$$ .

If there's no heart in it ,then I don't get the point.

Drizzt's is all heart.

I enjoyed your talented galley thanks for the link.

Thank you for your kind words. I do so love that character and those stories by Salvatore. I'm definitely not in this for the money. (LOL) I have enjoyed this hobby so much since I first found the 3d art and programs in Dec, 2008. It is a  lot  less messy than my oil paints(amature there as well). I have so much fun blending 2d elements in photoshop with my 3d stuff.

Do you have a gallery?

Quote - Thank you for your kind words. I do so love that character and those stories by Salvatore. I'm definitely not in this for the money. (LOL) I have enjoyed this hobby so much since I first found the 3d art and programs in Dec, 2008. It is a  lot  less messy than my oil paints(amature there as well). I have so much fun blending 2d elements in photoshop with my 3d stuff.

Do you have a gallery?

These are the ones I did just for my self.
There not much to look at but they mean something to me.
Every now and then I redo them.
Most stared as a black n white pencil drawing from a long time a go.
http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?page=3&userid=48237

If you just want to make some money with Poser, create some knock out graphics and combine that with some mad website development skills (or find a dependable, hard-working partner who already has them), put together a few sites and/or landing pages and go out on some of the freelancer sites and related industry forums and find internet marketers who are looking for folks to build them some eye-popping sales sites. The demand for flashy, attention-grabbing work is substantial and it keeps growing.

It doesn't pay that well at first, but once you establish a reputation ... well, I know of a couple out there doing this kind of thing who are making pretty decent money, i.e. $70,000+. They work very hard at it though.

Think I read on one of the forums about someone hooking Poser upto a 3d printer. Has anyone used the application in that way (for example to make action figures) ?

Quote - Think I read on one of the forums about someone hooking Poser upto a 3d printer. Has anyone used the application in that way (for example to make action figures) ?

You're not allowed to, copyright issues, unless you model the figure, clothes and all else yourself. The license prohibits doing this if you plan on making money from the action figures. For your own use, yes, but for commercial use no. It's a great idea though and I've been thinking about it for personal use a couple of times.

I'm not sure about the game license that DAZ offers, perhaps with that one something like this is possible, but I don't think so.

Quote - Think I read on one of the forums about someone hooking Poser upto a 3d printer. Has anyone used the application in that way (for example to make action figures) ?

They use 3D Printers at zBrush ,might get some info there.

http://www.creativeheads.net/HeadsUpView.aspx?blastid=3619&&AID=408

This Jobs link was in the Renderosity weekly news.

Quote - > Quote - Thank you for your kind words. I do so love that character and those stories by Salvatore. I'm definitely not in this for the money. (LOL) I have enjoyed this hobby so much since I first found the 3d art and programs in Dec, 2008. It is a  lot  less messy than my oil paints(amature there as well). I have so much fun blending 2d elements in photoshop with my 3d stuff.

Do you have a gallery?

These are the ones I did just for my self.
There not much to look at but they mean something to me.
Every now and then I redo them.
Most stared as a black n white pencil drawing from a long time a go.
http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?page=3&userid=48237

Nice gallery. You have some great work in there.