Second, the Hair Room is admittedly a bit of a challenge. But the more people who are using it and asking for improvements, the more likely it is that Smith Micro will continue to develop it into everything it can be.

Third, these discussions frequently draw out those who have been most successful with the Hair Room—people like Carodan, who has had some pretty astonishing dynamic hair renders—who throw out helpful tips that makes everyone better.

Although I'm gradually improving, my own biggest struggle with the Hair Room at this stage is getting a neat, predictable style so that the hair isn't either gapped or intertwined. So far as materials and rendering, I'm reasonably happy, although of course lighter hair is more of a challenge than darker hair. (Tip: make sure you check Opaque in Shadow—it really helps.)

One thing to observe is that dynamic hair by default loads with a shading rate of 8.00 (!). You need to change that if you want good renders. Also, if your computer can handle it change the thickness of the strands downward (and correspondingly, increase the quantity). My latest stuff is .15 at the tip and .4 at the root, which I think works pretty well.

That's looking nice Believable3d.

I haven't done much if anything in the hair room as yet... I've just not known where to start with achieving a convincing effect with it.

What I've seen of Carodan's work in the hair room, for example, in a previous thread here, looked amazing though... seeing some more info and examples on effective use of the hair room, here in the forum, would be great. 

This one look very nice, need just working on the shader ;)

Nice.  I'll have to check the dynamic hair and experiment.

I wonder whether people would be willing to share their dynamic settings as well, the hair room is one room that has always intrigued me and always eluded me.....

This one has two sets: one on the shoulder cape, and another setting on the boots.  

I also included several pre-made hair settings on my ShareCQ fur hats  (which currently seems to be offline at the moment, or I would give a link.) 

Good to see this aspect of Poser gets attention. I have always been at a loss when it comes to the hair room.

I remember one single successful appliciation that used a 'moniker', a low-res cape type representation of the figure that was used as collision surface. The hair was connected to the moniker, and the moniker was to be conformed to the figure. The moniker was fully transparant and just served as collision surface.  

this is how far I got.  Always fighting with bald spots ;-)

Best regards,

   Michael

 I like the top one! The hair is falling as it should. No small thing when most poser hair does not! Care to share settings?

Quote - I think these 2 show a bit of what dynamic hair can do as far as movement.

Looks good!

Quote - Here are some of mine:  I mostly use the Hair room for fur on my clothing creations.

This one has two sets: one on the shoulder cape, and another setting on the boots.  

Looks very good indeed.

Quote - Hello,

this is how far I got.  Always fighting with bald spots ;-)

 

Best regards,

   Michael

 

 

 

 

 

good idea for a thread!

for those who want to kick off, I did some hair room tuts on my website (www.book.artbeeweb.nl). They clarify the principles and the settings at least. Please note that some settings follow your global Poser Units settings, so people using metrics (meter) need values different from those using Imperial units (inches).

I had some personal - time consuming - drawbacks last months, but I'll pick up the last open ends of the hair (and cloth) tuts in a month or so.

Good thread, thanks for starting it (and for contributing). My general opinion on the presented examples is that thinner hair at higher density might look more natural, more "city girl" and less "farmers daughter".

This is a typical hair of mine.

impressive, great character too!

dadt, you can add 'maitre coiffeur' in your profile! Chapeau!

Quote - I have used nothing but dynamic hair since it was first introduced, but I very seldom drape it. For shorter styles it is not needed and if used the hair droops and loses the styling.

This is a typical hair of mine.

Love it - this one works particularly well.

I really want to see the hair room develop in the next versions of Poser. As has already been said, huge potential but tricky to get a grasp of. There are also some shortcomings with regard to shading & lighting.

Daniel,

Did you have emitter unchecked? If not, have you rendered any of these in Pro2012? These are great. I wonder why light beams do not seem to penetrate through the hair strands onto the shoulders on (2nd) above?

I like that curly style.  (And your model looks like Cally from Blake's 7.  ;-)

I am not using dynamic hair as much as I used to, because the shaders I used to use with older versions of Poser don't look the same.  For some reason, dynamic hair really looks different depending on the lighting.  Shaders that were very glossy, maybe even too shiny with conventional lighting look very flat and dull under the envirosphere. 

richardson - emitter was checked, but these were a good while ago (I think PP2012 though). I should revisit.

randym77 - heh, now that's a blast from the past...Blakes7. The lack of shine under EnvSphere will be due to IDL only dealing with diffuse light - no specular.

i was looking forward to seeing some examples from tool_pepe, in a previous thread much earlier this year he was making some great dynamic hairs...

best regards,

Bopper.

Is anyone here trying SSS on hair? I realize it would completely bog down the time of the render, but if I understand things right, it should have good effect on the appearance.

As it is, with my new system, I'm keeping everything fully visible to raytracing and acting as emitters. Couldn't do that with my old machine....

I tried the ezskin hair shader on it but that didn't work at all. There was a thread on it at rdna but it was a no go. Someone said it was because the hair didn't have any true geometry. Here is the link if you want it.  http://forum.runtimedna.com/showthread.php?73865-SSS-on-dynamic-hair

Thanks, RedPhantom. It would be nice if the SM developers would weigh in whether or not it can be done. I wonder if it would make much difference.

Could have gone a little finer with the hair strands here. I've backed off my fineness settings a little with recent renders to get things to look fuller, but I'm working my way back down while upping density.

This was my very first render after I got Poser 9, it was my first try at EZskin and also love dynamic hair but it was too slow in Poser 7 so I wanted to see if it was faster and thank goodness it was cause this looks great...

The hair is Jessi_Short_Blonde that came with Poser 9, and it has a custom shader I made for the hair...The character is Katy for V4 (DAZ)... Hope you like it:

Yeah, that Jessi Short hair is a nice little easy-to-use one. Your render looks good, but you can get it even better with further shader work.

Oh I know that, that was like 4 months ago... I'm waaaaaaaay better now, lol... that's just my favorite dynamic hairstyle