iz a year and a half since pp12.

does the general quiet mean they is beta-ing?

That eager to spend ur money eh? LOL

I can only assume that it is in beta already or they are hard working on it ;).

Laurie

next friday at 4pm I heard

The Poser team is a very motivated, but pretty small team.

And one year++ , not including taxes,  was consumed with the SR's remember?

Do not hold your breath, give them some fresh time to brainstorm.

Happy Posering.
T.V.

my estimate, based on extrapolation of release dates for 2 prior versions, is 04/01/13.  hence they need to get their butts in gear ASAP!

Yep, brainstorming should be in top gear by then :-)

I had been thinking there'd have to be another service release by or around March time...

...but maybe there's going to be the next version around that time, into April then, eh?

Ooooh...

;-)

I am not in a hurry - the current version works very well for me. They can brainstorm at leisure.

Quote - I am not in a hurry - the current version works very well for me. They can brainstorm at leisure.

Indeed... I'd second that sentiment really :)

A service release would be nice though I suspect... but who knows what is on the card?

Hopefully it will be a while yet. I need to save up for it still. And come up with a reason for my family why I need to upgrade yet again. "But it has some really cool new features" doesn't cut it with them. 

Bsides the longer they take the more cool features they'll have time to add. Have you seen the request list over at runtimedna? it'll take have a year for them to just read through that, assuming they do, to get an idea of what features they want to add.

i was looking at Win8 pc.  but without a new poser version there's no justification for a new compy.  it feels like only yesterday i brought Win7 home.

Then definitely the later it comes out the better.  A new OS release will only compound the testing of any new features being beta tested right now.  PP2012 works fine with Win8 as far as I know. 

I'm in no hurry either. There is still so much I need to learn in the current version. :)

My wild speculation or is the alternate specular...:biggrin:

Here is the exact date, leaked to me by a certain forum member that famously is known for the quote, "If I told you, I would have to kill you!"

The day before yesterday, after the last full moon of the summer solstice 3 weeks. 2 days, 5 hours and 7 minutes before the next projected apocalypse of a small town exactly 212.3 miles (341.66373 Kilometers) east northest of where ever you live (You survive so you can upgrade) and just before is it soup yet and your Turkey thermometer reads exactly 165F (73.889 C or 347.04K) while standing on one leg, rubbing your belly with your right hand and touching your nose with your left index finger.

On a serious note: I am worried long term about the decline of the PC or the rise of the tablet. That the youth of tomorrow never knowing-experincing desktop computing and that trend's impact on all desktop apps and hardware.

Quote - On a serious note: I am worried long term about the decline of the PC or the rise of the tablet. That the youth of tomorrow never knowing-experincing desktop computing andthat trend's impact on all desktop apps and hardware.

It's a concern...

...as is the decline of creativity amidst the propagation of drooling hordes of socially-networked zomboids, mindlessly tapping "like" as they gorge themselves on perpetual feeds of low grade, socially insular drivel or mass circulated offal.

But I'm sure it won't come to that ;-)

Part of me has hope...

...hope that one day soon I may no longer have a desktop.

Instead I'll a have a room, wallpapered in interactive display, cheap as paper, from my local Wallmart, that responds to my neural impulses, voice commands and four-dimensional gestures... into which I can boot-up my copy of "Poser Pro 2016 Surround Edition"... and really have some fun!

Oh yeah :-)

Ha, you gotta love the Pro - Surround edition. :-)

Quote - ...as is the decline of creativity amidst the propagation of drooling hordes of socially-networked zomboids, mindlessly tapping "like" as they gorge themselves on perpetual feeds of low grade, socially insular drivel or mass circulated offal.

Couldn't have said it better myself ;).

Laurie

!!OT Alert!!

In other news...

This report suggests that a reported fall in vandalism rates in the UK, despite the tough economic climate, are in part due to the rise of smart phones and social media:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21041160

Would the vandalism stats be higher, or lower still, if, instead of the smart phone and twitter account, those potential vandals were given a copy of Poser Pro 2012?

He he ;-)

J Took me a long time to find it back.  J
Post was here : http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=3565579&ebot_calc_page#message_3565579

Poser 2020, Whaw ! . J Yeah, you read right 2020. J

Whaw, and I drop down on my Nikey-das air cushioned bed after a steaming night with my solid 3D projected girlfriend.
Poser did a fine job.
Scanned my dream girl directly into Poser 2020, and it made a textbook perfect 3D Copy.
Bends like elastic, never tired, and never a headache.
A dream come true. She even makes a perfect cup of coffee, and lights my cigarette.

Whew, what where we doing back in 2009?

Poor old guys, playing with some points and poly’s?

Weeks of rigging and texturing, never ending “out of memory” messages.

Last year, the last HD got delivered, slow as hell at 20.000 RPM, all replaced by lightning fast, RAMboards.
Well, after the motherboards, by 2016 we briefly got father boards, and now we finally have RAMboards, integrated in the cpu's.
Mother boards could multitask, father boards never could, would, or should.

In 2018 after the merge of Intel and AMD, we finally got some power cpu’s, together with Windows 23c, (that would be the "eastside" illegal copy, (the "c" that is)  that seemed pretty stable after SR 19b.
Euh, the "b" comes from Brazil, or was it Bulgaria, or Belgium?
Correction, chocolates still come from Belgium.
 Anyhow the "b" was from the land that took over Windows, after the USA got flooded by global warming.

Where did time go?

By Poser2017, "smell" got introduced, you’d get the perfume, the smell of the figure as she walked though the door, and the last Orange, or was it Apple, or MAC, got finally banned to a poor museum far and far away.

What did time fly?
By Poser 2015, we finally could type text, and the figures would speak automatically, in an understandable language.
Speech packs where the topic of the year.

The figures even made gestures as we turned the angry dial up.
Or get more sensual voices, when the cuteness, or tenderness dials approached 1.

Stills where long gone into a forgotten world. 

Oh, yeah, by 2009, Poser 8 even got IDL, in 32 bit.
Can you imagine that? 32 bit?
Bit? That unit got disposed of in 2017! !, or was it the end of 2016?

Poor old guy’s, if they only knew…

Sh***t, I woke up….

Best of greetings, thanks for reading.
TonyB
Yeah, yeah, back on the ground, and starting-up P8.

Anyone wants to light my cigarette?

The next Poser release will be able to use your credit card to buy nifty and appropriate items from the store here and elsewhere.  Using data in your stored pz3 files,  Poser will select your current favourite character, dress her in your latest purchases and while you are asleep, make renders you will be proud of.  All you have to do is log in and see how many comments and favourites you received while you were in dreamland.  Thanks to brilliant coding, we will no longer have to be bothered with the tediousness of selecting characters, clothing, props, sets and lighting manually.  If you do manage to get a record  number of comments and faves, an optional ($299) hand will pat you on the back a number of times.  This is a manual setting because everyone needs a different amount of reassurance.

I am in no big hurry either as I just got PP12 about 8 months ago. I could wait a couple of years before the next big update. Of course I will probably skip over it the way I skipped over Poser 8. It just gets too costly for me to update it every time.

Two years ago Bagginsbill was giving out tidbits about PP2012's SSS, so figure about 10 months after he starts hinting about new features...

Quote - !!OT Alert!!

In other news...

This report suggests that a reported fall in vandalism rates in the UK, despite the tough economic climate, are in part due to the rise of smart phones and social media:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21041160

Would the vandalism stats be higher, or lower still, if, instead of the smart phone and twitter account, those potential vandals were given a copy of Poser Pro 2012?

He he ;-)

except it looks like the figures (of all crimes) are inaccurate... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21178847

Okay, so the vandalism stats may be just as inaccurate, regardless of the dissemination of Poser software to the "yoof"... in that case ;)

My bets are on Poser Pro 2014 being the next title.

Will that arrive in 2013?

It's entirely possible, I guess...

:)

Never ask for something.

:-) You might get it. :-)

looking at previous release dates, I'd say not before August 2013..... but if they're smart the release it a bit later to boost sales or earlier, around May when people have vacation money to spent. Don't know if you get that in the US, but in a lot of European countries people get vacation money (around 8% of your annual salary) and a lot of people spent it on other things then vacation. Very common for people to buy new computers, cars software, tv's and such in that period of time.

October and November are traditionally more major game release months, but some software companies follow that too, seems like mainly people in the US spent money in those months.... getting ready for Thanksgiving and Christmas perhaps?

August/September is an odd month.... lot's of people have spent their extra money already and you're only hurting sales..... unless you announce it well before release that you're working on it, but Smith Micro isn't too good at that, they keep the lid too tight for way too long. If you want to sell software, start announcing that you're working on it at least 6 months before release and from that time start releasing info on regular basis. Then people know what to expect and can save up for it.

I always wait before I buy the new poser version, until all the info has been released and even wait for customer experiences. Smith Micro has the odd habit of not even release the full information when Poser is out, they always leave stuff out and add it later on. Somehow they never seem to be ready with everything for the release of Poser. Lack of info, buggy software, bad marketing campaign. Still in spite of all that Poser seems to survive.

They sure never get me excited when a new version is released..... until people start showing and talking about what's all new and improved, that's when things get interesting. Other software companies manage to get me excited about their new releases way before it's released and some even entice me to pre-order months before. I would never do that with Poser, Smith Micro while having been around a long time, has so much to learn when it comes to marketing. Time to fire the marketing manager and get a good one, one who cares about customers and know how to win them over!

Need also need to appoint other beta users that are allow to share a little info, not the ones we have now.... they're way too technical in what they talk about before it's released. You need people who can get customers excited, not people who share info most of us cannot make heads or tail from and sure not people who attack others and put them down. They spoil all the fun beforehand.

The days that I got excited about a poser release are long gone, they've sure spoiled that, now it's sit and wait and see and gather all the info that I can understand and digest. I remember jumping up and down when Poser 4 was released, but those days are long gone. The poser 5 release was very exciting..... until it was out then the trouble started. Poser 6 was overwhelming, but less good marketed and after that it all faded away and the excitement was gone, due to bad marketing.

Smith Micro really needs to work in a number of areas and get people jumping up and down again.

Quote - My wild speculation or is the alternate specular...:biggrin:

Here is the exact date, leaked to me by a certain forum member that famously is known for the quote, "If I told you, I would have to kill you!"

The day before yesterday, after the last full moon of the summer solstice 3 weeks. 2 days, 5 hours and 7 minutes before the next projected apocalypse of a small town exactly 212.3 miles (341.66373 Kilometers) east northest of where ever you live (You survive so you can upgrade) and just before is it soup yet and your Turkey thermometer reads exactly 165F (73.889 C or 347.04K) while standing on one leg, rubbing your belly with your right hand and touching your nose with your left index finger.

On a serious note: I am worried long term about the decline of the PC or the rise of the tablet. That the youth of tomorrow never knowing-experincing desktop computing and that trend's impact on all desktop apps and hardware.

I share your concern about the decline of the PC. I keep reading everything I can about the subject and the recent moves Microsoft has made. It keeps looking, to me, like Microsoft is indicating they want to move PC users to small Surface style laptops and tablets as PC replacements.

Trueth is that we can't stop using PCs. Desktop publishing, graphics, music mixing, home and profesional studios can't do without them. I hope for the best.

Quote - Need also need to appoint other beta users that are allow to share a little info, not the ones we have now.... they're way too technical in what they talk about before it's released. You need people who can get customers excited, not people who share info most of us cannot make heads or tail from and sure not people who attack others and put them down. They spoil all the fun beforehand.

Could you possibly be more specific? "And they shouldn't have a user name that abbreviates to a repeated letter anywhere in the alphabet between A and C."

The fact is that you need the technical people to do promotion because the technical improvements are what's often most important in a new release. "Hey, lookit what I can render!" doesn't tell you much if they can't tell you why the render is better, especially when "this render looks better than that one" is often a purely subjective thing. And quite honestly having someone jump up and down about how something is going to be just awesome but I'm not telling you how gets old fast, no matter how engaging and personable they might be.

Like many, I'm still learning all of what PPro 2012 can do!  Brain hurts more often than not right now (heh).

I'll bet the next release will be Poser 10 and PPro 2014.  New features will incliude an unbiased renderer, more intelligent library management, support of 3D glasses, pen interface enabled, touch enabled, and support for direct output to a 3D printer.

Also new will be the "Choreography Room" and "Audio Room" so your renders can be all-singing and all-dancing!

I have Poser X.

Aaaand I'm turning around and going right back out the f'ing door.

Poser X had better be good. I can't think of any reason to upgrade from Poser Pro 2012.

Poser X?

The name sounds a bit one dimensional... ;)

Here we go again... the bomb has been dropped as usual, so let the speculation begin.

I had wondered where BB had disappeared to. smirking

I just hope that, for a change, somebody on the beta team is looking after us animators.

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I doubt that you'll be disappointed ...

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That would be most welcome.

As would a built in mocap capability, that would make Poser a very serious tool indeed...

  Bill, you sadist.......... ;)

Snarly, you evil.

 I'd be happy with a better IK/FK system, and some improvements in the dope sheet and graph editor. I know lots of people think the Kinnect is a wonder tool, but the resolution isn't good enough for true mocap; never mind the puny capture field. Game playing, sure. But having to stand in one place kinda defeats the 'motion' in mocap.

 Now I would be delirious if they came out with some form of zoned softbody, but realistically........

I've always felt that if Microsoft walks away from Desktops, Linux will step in. :)

Linux?

But Google sure will. They have the $$$$

Quote - I had wondered where BB had disappeared to. smirking

One always wonders, doesn't one? LOL

Laurie

Meh, not for me. Their vision of the future OS is cloud-based with heavy emphasis towards Social Media and Music consumption and Cloud-Based Applications.  There's nothing wrong with that as and aspect of Desktop computing but Smart Phones (and Tablets) will reign supreme here (certainly in the future too).

I'll really pass on that.  It feels to me like so much control and choices pulled away from the user.  Like "we know what you want so we will think for you" kind of deal.  To me it's like turning on the radio - someone decided for me that this is the music I should hear :)

Similar reasons I haven't really taken to Google Chrome.  I've tried it but it feels like so much of it is obscured as to be simplified to Joe Schmo.  I stick with the Mozilla Browser and have been running Waterfox for several months now (64-bit Firefox branch) and love it.

I agree Joe....I just don't like the idea of a piece of software I buy NOT being on my computer where it belongs (for me to scratch the disk or lose the disk myself or for my hard drive to die. LOL). I really don't trust other people with my software or my content :P. Maybe I'm just not trusting enough, but I've seen bad things happen on the web over and over and over again. It will never be as secure as my own computer hard drives and dvds (at least in my little brain it won't). ;) Cloud based is all about trust and I don't trust anyone but me to take care of my own stuff - after all, what does a big company really care about YOUR content? "Gee we're really sorry about losing your data....hope you can get that worked out soon" Fill out this form and jump thru these hoops and you may get it back. Or "You haven't accessed your data in x number of days so it's been deleted".

Meh.

Laurie

I suspect the days of monolithic social media services will be numbered, ultimately.

I fully expect a backlash... although sure, no doubt a lot of the social media paradigms will filter through, as they are doing already, into smaller, more interest-centric online communities... like, well, Rendo... and I guess, continue to evolve.

Human nature is fundamentally not bland enough to accept such a harness of heterogeneity... I don't think. Least not for long ;)

Yeah, Laurie, this is NO WAY I want any of my documents and other data "on the cloud".  I want a system-installed word processor.  I want to put stuff there I want it.  I don't want online backup cloud services.  Absolutely not.  I want to use LOCAL media for that.  It's just the way I am.

I think more and more Windows has been trending towards less choice, more online-based applications and scenarios.  They have much more control that way.  I just don't think I am willing to give it up to the degree that they want it.  Just look at how Windows has evolved from XP up (and it explains some of why XP STILL dominates the market share, besides businesses not upgrading due to costs).

Each version of the OS: Vista, 7, 8 there is a lot less in the way of choices and (I think) many have gravitated towards 3rd party solutions.  Perhaps not a full-on "dump the OS and go to Linux" but in small ways: Classic Shell to get some productivity back (and the Start Menu if you are on 8), 7+ Taskbar Tweaker, gravitating away from Windows Explorer or Media Player to different applications.

But even saying that, I am running Windows 8 and somewhat enjoy it.  However, I've very much subdued the "Start Screen" (I don't even see it) and I granted myself full admin permissions via the Group Policy Editor.  I just don't need that kind of hand-holding or puffy cloud stuff. :P  There is certainly a degree of "I want to turn it on and it just work" but at the same time I think you need to retain the advanced options for those users who would like to have them.  Not everyone is booting their computer to read emails and click "Like" on Facebook.  It's an aspect of computing but not the end-all.  But I think a lot of us are tech-heads here so I'm probably preaching to the choir :D

You know what's funny though monkeycloud.  We've pretty much always had the social media but not so visually-driven or sanitized for us.  Every week Facebook streamlines something and I can't find anything anymore or I have to google-fu for instructions.

But back-in-the-day, we had mIRC and messenger clients before there was Facebook and Skype.  There's just no options in the newer programs.  I had skype for a bit but didn't use the voice because there was no way to set a "click to talk" hotkey... REALLY????  So what I was left with was a crappy messenger program and I could just install Pidgin (open-source, multi-chat client) for that.

Sorry I really derailed this one... :D

I am hoping that Poser X will show up with some very neat things!

Likewise, I reckon that generic cloud-based "software as a service apps" are still generally way too limited, even for more basic business needs. I expect there's a lot of SAAS marketing bods out there really wishing that wasn't so.

Licensing models might change... towards more subscription style offerings.

But I doubt the desktop computer, and desktop software, are going anywhere fast ;)

Yeah, I'm not much for the "applications as subscription services" either (big surprise! right?) but I can say that I have used them from time to time.

I did have a WoW account and that's pretty much sub-based to use (my wife enjoys it and it's pretty much the only reason I played at all in the last two xpacs).

I subscribe to a couple of entertainment services (Netflix, Prime - but for shipping/ebooks too).

But for productivity applications?  Absolutely not.  In my mind, for some reason, there's a divide there.  However, I'm not against the "option" for others because they might have different needs, like specialization where they might sub for an application to use with a specific project.

What if X=9?  :tt2:

I'm afraid those of us who actually know what they're doing with a computer will ultimately have to dance to the tune of the clueless. I think Windows 8 proves that - "We'll do everything for you cause you don't have the first clue anyway". Most computer users want their computer to run like their television...no maintenence, no adjusting settings, no clue how it functions. I spent years screwing up my computer so that I could learn how to fix it and I don't wanna give up that control just because of users that don't care to learn....lol.

Laurie

I think cloud computing is a bad idea. I hope and pray it does not catch on. Like Netherworks says, a few sevices are ok. As secondary backup for content or or install files is fine. Notice I said secondary. I still want a back up here at my house. But it's nice to have an extra copy off-site in case of fire or something. But actual programs run off the web? No way. Aside from sometimes not being able to get on line there is the matter of being subject to a companies whims. A company decides it doesn't want to support version x anymore, I have to switch to version xx if I want to keep using that software(and most likely pay for it too). But what if I don't like version xx? My only choices are learn to like it or no longer be able to use my word processor, or graphics editor or whatever. I know I could probably switch to another company, but it seems so much software saves its file under a format that is unreadable by anyone else. Next the company in its infinite wisdom (pronounced greed) will decide they are providing continual updates and tons of bandwidth, we need to provide continual funds in the guise of monthly (or annually) subscribtions and they will automatically provide us with the newest version regaurdless of if we want it or not. Finally the company will go bankrupt and either be bought out by someone who doesn't want to support the software or the company with cease to exist and we will be with out the program or a way to read all our files created with it.