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Subject: OT mouse choise


pitklad ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 5:36 AM · edited Mon, 18 November 2024 at 10:35 PM

I am about to change my mouse

currently have a Microsoft wireless laser mouse 5000

I can't say I ever enjoyed this mouse much...

My though goes to Logitech's ** MX Performance Wireless Mouse**

I get mixed reviews but my conclusion is that most bad reviews come from people that didn't bother to customize the setting using the software that come with the mouse

Anyone here uses this mouse?


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monkeycloud ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 6:02 AM

I noted recently that the cost of the 3Dconnexion SpaceNavigator had become fairly reasonable... certainly if you get a good deal on Amazon...

...I think that one is compatible with Poser now... is it??

Equivalent price to that Logitech super mouse certainly.

Still, not sure I don't prefer the old school mouse still myself...

...otherwise, I haven't had the pleasure of trying that particular Logitech MX Performance mouse... so apologies... I digress ;)


pitklad ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 6:31 AM

I musthave said that anyone is welcome to propose any mouse that knows for sure it is good, so it doesn't matter if you haven't tried the specific mouse monkeycloud thanks for suggesting 3Dconnexion SpaceNavigator, but as I see this is an extra to the mouse accessory

I was thinking for a trackball mouse also but I don't know if it for everyday use, I have read some reviews that say it is more tiring than a regular mouse, although it gives more control? Maybe someone that uses trackball mouse can enlight us

I am mostly interested on a mouse for 3D generally as I use various 3D programms (modelling,rendering) and also CAD


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monkeycloud ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 6:38 AM

I've tried a few trackball style mice in my time, and I hated them.

I've known a handful of users who swore by them

But I've only ever sworn at them. LOL.

I guess you'd have to try one to know if a trackball was for you...

I have a mac for Poser and use the Apple Magic Mouse, with touch surface for zooming / other gestures. I like that certainly.

Microsoft have their touch mouse equivalent... haven't tried it myself yet though... but if it works like the Apple Magic Mouse, I would say it's worth considering...

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-gb/p/touch-mouse


vitachick ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 6:51 AM

I use a razor brand mouse. usb plug.....But then I also game online. Don't like the trackball at all.

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hornet3d ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 7:14 AM

With few exceptions I do not do gaming so most of my PC use is for Poser.  Instead of a mouse I use a Logitech marble trackball which is optical meaning that you do not have to clean the ball regularly, a real pain on the standard trackball.  You can customise the four buttons which is also useful.

In addition I do have a space navigator which I have been using for almost two years and I would not be without it.  I does work with Poser and can me used the manipulate the cameras and with a click of the button can be use to manipulate limbs on figures for posing.  I cannot get it to work with Silo so I use the cutomise buttons on the trackball and keyboard but it is second best to the navigator. 

I use both for hours at a time and never have a problem with cramp and the like and I also like the fact that the trackball takes up less room on the desk than a mouse.  Having said that I know it is personal taste so this set up would not suit everyone.

 

 

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wimvdb ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 7:21 AM

Quote - I am about to change my mouse

currently have a Microsoft wireless laser mouse 5000

I can't say I ever enjoyed this mouse much...

My though goes to Logitech's ** MX Performance Wireless Mouse**

I get mixed reviews but my conclusion is that most bad reviews come from people that didn't bother to customize the setting using the software that come with the mouse

Anyone here uses this mouse?

 

I use this mouse for over 2 years now (replaced once) and it my favorite by far. The scroll wheel is phantastic. Occasionally I try other mice which seem interesting, but I always get back to this one (I even bought a backup one in case this one starts to fail). The rechargeable battery lasts about a week and you can recharce it by plugging in a usb cable while you keep using it

 


PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 7:32 AM

I have used nothing but Kensington Expert mouse, which is a trackball, but quite large, for many years.  it has the ball that is rolled with the fingers and not the thumb, gives very good control.

However, the Expert mouse is not in production anymore, they have  newer models which I do not like as well.  The Expert mouse is not optical, it has to be opened and the small ball bearings that serve as the sensors have to be cleaned periodically'  I believe this is a small price to pay for the control and something you set on the keydesk and it stays put. 

The last time I looked,Kensington had two different models with the larger ball, the ball itself is about 1 3/4 inch diameter.  I do not like it as well, and of the two models, the more expensive one is, because of the software, a dud.  I haven't tried the cheaper one, but as mine are getting old now, may be forced to.  The newer ones are optical, dust, cat hair, etc., should be less of a problem.

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ghonma ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 7:53 AM

Most gaming mice work well for 3D work. The main reason for this is that gaming mice are built to be precise and comfortable to use for long periods of time, which works out nicely for 3D as well. I've used a Logitech G5 for ages and it's a joy to use. I would recomend anything from the Logitech game series in a heartbeat.

Another alternative that works surprisingly well for posing and modelling (and OFC sculpting) would be a tablet. Its much more precise then any mouse/trackball and many models these days come with multitouch so you can basically use them as a full mouse replacement. I use a Wacom bamboo for this which is excellent and not too expensive.

Space navigators I dont like. I had to use one at work once and I found that I kept having to juggle 3 devices with 2 hands which got old really fast. YMMV of course.


aeilkema ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 8:00 AM

I've got a Kensington Orbit Trackball met Scrollring, love it..... but it has one shortcoming, the 3rd mouse button is missing. The solution is to press the left & right button at the same time, but it doesn't really work well, especially not if you have apps where you have to press and hold the 3rd button.

Looked at the Kensington Expert Mouse Optical Trackball, but it's too expensive, I don't see why it has to be priced so high compared to the rest.

So, I did get a Logitech Wireless Trackball M570. It's different from the Kesington ones, you control the trackball with your thumb. It needs getting used to but works well.

I don't use the Kensington anymore, since I got the Logitec. First of all the Logitec is much smaller. Secondly it has more buttons and options. Thirdly it is wireless. Fourthly it just works better for me. With the Kensington, your hand still moves around a lot. When you use the scrollring, the trackball and even the buttons you have to move your whole hand..... a lot. yes, much less then with a mouse and more efficiently, but still, a lot of movement. With the Logitec there's much less movement. My hand is steady, on the mouse. My thumb moves around, the rest of the fingers only press some buttons or control the scrollwheel.

I'm using a trackball due to a muscle disorder. I can use a mouse, but it gets painful after a while. A trackball is much more comfortable for me and having used them for 2 years or so now, I don't even want to use a mouse anymore. I just wish I had discovered a trackball years ago.

I'm using my trackball with Poser, Hexagon, Vue and so on without a problem. Surfing, windows operations, making presentations, windows explorer, dtp, it all goes well with a trackball. I'm even able to use it with Photoshop, DrawPlus and such, no problem. Since I switched to a trackball, I hardly use my Wacom Bamboo tablet for drawing and such.

I can recommend one, just a bit of advice, if you get one, take time to get used to it. Took me a week or so to get used to it. You use different motions, different muscles. It even may feel a little discomfortable at first, but once you get over that, using a trackball is actually a muscle relieve and very comfortable compared to a mouse.

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PrecisionXXX ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 8:20 AM

Quote - I've got a Kensington Orbit Trackball met Scrollring, love it..... but it has one shortcoming, the 3rd mouse button is missing. The solution is to press the left & right button at the same time, but it doesn't really work well, especially not if you have apps where you have to press and hold the 3rd button.

Looked at the Kensington Expert Mouse Optical Trackball, but it's too expensive, I don't see why it has to be priced so high compared to the rest.

For reasons unknown, but probably easily guessed, the Kensington software doesn't work well.  As I am in need of, or will be shortly, replacing at least two of my old Experts, I will probably give the orbit a try.

What they now sell as the Expert, IMO, is junk.  I had one, could not get it to work with Win7 at all.  For that kind of money, you would expect something better, but the opposite i true.  Being a "made in China", I don't expect the same quality as Kensington once had, and there I wasn't wrong.  Junk is junk no matter how they try to make it look pretty.  I'd rather have one that worked.

I assume the scroll ring is cheaper to make than the scroll wheel, but doing so was one big mistake in conveniently using the mouse. 

Kensingtons site lists the Expert at one penny less than a hundred dollars.  For the older Experts I have,(4) I paid closer to a hundred and thirty.  COmparing quality and useability, the price on the new ones should be somewhere around ten dollars and no more.

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Winterclaw ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 8:47 AM

I play mmos, so I use that mouse with all the buttons on the side.

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Paul Francis ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 10:28 AM · edited Thu, 07 February 2013 at 10:30 AM

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Got a Microsoft Trackball that's about 12 years old.  I stopped using it for about 5 years, thinking it was broken.  Cleaned it up recently to put it on Ebay (they sell for silly money, even broken ones), and found out it was working fine so kept it.  Best mouse I ever had.  Great for zooming the camera on Poser and Bryce.

 

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LaurieA ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 11:36 AM · edited Thu, 07 February 2013 at 11:38 AM

Quote - I am about to change my mouse

currently have a Microsoft wireless laser mouse 5000

I can't say I ever enjoyed this mouse much...

My though goes to Logitech's ** MX Performance Wireless Mouse**

I get mixed reviews but my conclusion is that most bad reviews come from people that didn't bother to customize the setting using the software that come with the mouse

Anyone here uses this mouse?

I have this mouse. It's pricey, but fantastic - at least that's MY opinion. LOL Being able to use it while it's charging is a big plus :).

Laurie



pitklad ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 11:56 AM

Quote - I have this mouse. It's pricey, but fantastic - at least that's MY opinion. LOL Being able to use it while it's charging is a big plus :).

Laurie

 

this is one of the major reasons I was interested on this mouse, my old wireless mouse doesn't behave well when battery life goes low. I was using rechargable batteries at first but it seamed to me that there were performance difficulties yet using alkaline batteries is quite pricey so a rechargable mouse sounds like a better investment


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stewer ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 12:01 PM

I use a Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000, wired and a Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer which is 13 years old by now.

I never installed any extra mouse driver software, for me they always made things worse and I never saw the need for a wireless mouse. Logitech mice never fit my hand, my hand hurts after using them for a while.


WoolyLoach ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 12:18 PM

Razer Abyssus here.  Feels good in my hand, nice USB connection, fast, accurate, and of course the glowing snakes on it make it even better (heh).


pitklad ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 12:20 PM

I've got used to the no wire fact but the presicion quality reduction due to battery level is unacceptable, the problem with the design of my current wireless MS 5000 mouse is that being designed for both left and right handed users is not very ergonomic, and  I learned that after my in hurry buy... :rolleyes:


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hornet3d ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 12:56 PM

Unless you have a very cluttered workspace the need for a trackball to be wireless is limited as the lead stays put unlike a mouse.  I have two of the Logitech trackballs which must be around 12 and 9 years old and both are going strong and hace worked without problem.

I guess there must be a reason for having a wireless trackball but I cannot think of one at the moment.  I am sure someone will come up with a good reason.

 

 

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Khai-J-Bach ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 1:17 PM · edited Thu, 07 February 2013 at 1:25 PM

I have the model before, the MX Revolution. and it's the best mouse I've ever had.

I've got my buttons set, the middle (not wheel) to Menu, the thumb Up as F5 (refresh) and the thumb Down as Back.. the side wheel is to scroll windows...

touch my MX and you will die. I'm planning on a MX Performance when this finally dies (had this 3 years now and, nope, no signs of death)



Janl ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 2:30 PM · edited Thu, 07 February 2013 at 2:31 PM

Quote - I am about to change my mouse

currently have a Microsoft wireless laser mouse 5000

I can't say I ever enjoyed this mouse much...

My though goes to Logitech's ** MX Performance Wireless Mouse**

I get mixed reviews but my conclusion is that most bad reviews come from people that didn't bother to customize the setting using the software that come with the mouse

Anyone here uses this mouse?

 

I have the MX Performance Mouse and the M570 Wireless Trackball. Both of them are great mice but I had problems with my hand and switched over to the trackball. It took about a month to properly get used to it but it is by far my favourite mouse. The MX Performance seems very heavy in comparison and it feels odd pushing it around the desktop now. The battery in the trackball lasts a long time. I use it for Poser, Photoshop, Modo, Silo and ZBrush and find it very accurate. Not everyone likes a trackball but, in my opinion, it is worth persevering with. However, both mice are great.


SamTherapy ( ) posted Thu, 07 February 2013 at 7:28 PM

I've used Microsoft mice for years and never once had a problem.  Currently using my trusty old Intellimouse Explorer cordless.  5 buttons, one wheel, completely reliable and comfortable.

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primorge ( ) posted Fri, 08 February 2013 at 10:07 PM

I use a logitech wireless laser mouse (usb), being that it's wireless I guess it's more like a hamster. I'm not sure what the model is but I recall it was kind of pricey. It's very comfortable, scroll wheel and 2 buttons. Think it needs a good cleaning though as I recently got a severe 3rd degree burn on the side of my hand and so my hand was leaking plasma for about a week... OT but my hand became like an organic watergun.

Anyway, the hand's much better now but my poor mouse probably looks like a glazed donut.


Magic_Man ( ) posted Sat, 09 February 2013 at 8:36 AM

Got a Logitech G600 mouse together with a 3D Connexion 3d 'mouse' (SpacePilot pro)

All the buttons on the side of the mouse can be programmed to perform functions in Poser - switching cameras etc., and come in handy


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