I just heard back from TPTB. What you are seeing is a work in progress. The techs are still working on it. Give it a day or two and let's see what it looks like.

Quote - ... please don't tell me I have to leave again geesh,,, this is getting to be a fulltime job

Shitfire!  Don't do that, mate.  :(  

Quote - I just heard back from TPTB. What you are seeing is a work in progress. The techs are still working on it. Give it a day or two and let's see what it looks like.

Sure thing, Basic.  Thing is, the cardinal rule of any system changes is to get them running and looking right on an offline server before rolling 'em out to the masses.  Naughty naughty developers.  Off to bed with no supper.  

Can't really argue with you Sam.

However, I thought it was important to get the word out that this is not the final version.

Don't confuse me providing information with defending things. 

Think about this:

If you want to make enemies, try to change something.  ~Woodrow Wilson

Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.  ~Robert C. Gallagher

He who rejects change is the architect of decay.  The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery.  ~Harold Wilson

Didn't some famous person recently say something like "Change you can believe in!" :laugh:

and last and most important....Change always comes bearing gifts.  ~Price Pritchett....Wonder what the value of the Renderosity Change coupon will be?

Lets give them time and not panic (unless there is no change store coupon code):biggrin:

I have to agree that the formattng is now way off.

I had set a minimum font size of 16pt in Firefox and used "NoSquint" to make sure text stayed a certain size.

I had to disable minimum font size, re-adjust "NoSquint" and re-enable ABP and ElementHidingHelper to zap several page elements to make the forums readable again on my 1024 x 768 monitor.

Disabling minimum font size meant I had to re-adjust all my other regular sites also. A few clicks with "NoSquint", but still annoying.

I hate it when stuff like this happens.  :-(

 That's good to hear. I was afraid it was a done deal.

Quote - I just heard back from TPTB. What you are seeing is a work in progress. The techs are still working on it. Give it a day or two and let's see what it looks like.

My two coppers -

I can't stand forums that have so much space reserved for.. nothing, and little space reserved for actual posts. Sure, I'm on a widescreen monitor, but there's a great deal of dead space on the page. It's always been like that, so there's nothing new, there. But, if they're redesigning the forums as well as the site, they need to keep that in mind.

Like other posters, I don't like scrolling through blank real-estate, just to get to the meaningful content.

(Not really impressed with the background color, either. But, everyone has their own color prefs.)

PS - You've got CSS style sheet options available to the forum users. How about packaging up a few and letting users select a choice out of drop-down box if they'd like? That way, users could have a variety of different chocies. You've got the CSS open, it'd be a waste if it wasn't available to us ignorantof-the-ways-of-coding-CSS peeps. :D You could even host a competition for developing that, if you'd like. I'm sure some CSS-Geeks would like to play with creating their favorites.

I've just start learning HTML coding and this is NOT  the way to do it at all.

If it ain't broke, then don't fix it !

The whole page code is a mess, I've checked the source code and it's not clean and elegant at all, quite the opposite...HIRE A  PROFESSIONAL QUICK !

And how come no MODS have entered this discussion as yet ??????

First sort out the colour scheme, blue on blue WTF ?

Pages should adjust size to fit on your screen resolution.

Commentry box is unusable.

While you're at it, get rid of either "Most commented or Most rated section" rather have more new thumbnails on view for new posts.

P.S. is there anybody out there reading or listening ?

NOT HAPPY JAN !    :o(

Basicwhiz made some comments and he or she is a mod. Let me summarize...

DON'T PANIC !!!

O.K. I'm not panicking anymore !

 but how about informing everybody else NOT TO PANIC on the front page first ?

thanks for listening

Cheers

Rumor has it you can control colors with browsers.

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And how come no MODS have entered this discussion as yet ??????

What am I? Chopped liver?

I believe if you look up a dozen messages or so I have entered into the discussion advising people that the work is not finished.

I encourage EVERYONE to state their views on what is going on. This is (IMHO) VERY valuable feedback to the programmers. At least, it would be to me.

Let's please exercise a bit of patience while all of this shakes out.

"The techs are still working on it."

Does no one beta test anymore? C'mon, this thing wouldnt have even passed alpha before someone complained about the colour arrangement.

Love the new look. Please don't change it.

Wish I could make it a bit wider, but if it stays that way, I can live with that.

the font size difference from are avatar side to the post side is a bit exstream.

the lack of professionalism with this rollout is positively stunning.  an unfinished web site should never be made live.  you first test on an off-line server to make certain things are OK and then, and only then, do you make it live.  to expect the users of your site to let you know what needs fixing is simply unacceptable.  Daz did the same thing, and it was a real turn off for lots of folks.  their site, especially the forum area, is still FUBAR.  spend the money and hire real, experienced professionals to do it correctly the first time.

this is such a sad joke.

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While where terrorizing Renderosity ,A spell checker would be nice.

Would it help?

Top banner or margin where the Rendo logo is located is way, WAY to large, otherwise, the forum threads and posts are much more readable by my aging eyes. Return the top to the size it was before and I think this would be livable.

Nobody looks at....the top.

By all means make the site cool and trendy, but in its current form it's really hard to spend much time in it.

EDIT: who is putting this new look together? I know it's a work in progress but there are fundamental design errors that shouldn't have made it to the first draft, let alone being published on a live site.

I hate being negative and I've looked really hard for something to be positive about, but I can't... this is a dreadful mess.

i dont know if anyone else has but ill speak for myself being colorblind

the blue on blue is lost on me

it looks like someone went to free hosting site and picked out one of the free templates that a kindergartener made

honestly my eyes arent that great but this new scheme is making my head hurt

Don't like it. It is way too bright and that makes it hard to see. This takes away front what should be the primary focus, that artwork and the thumbs for products. The background should work as a background. What I mean by this is that it should not be the brightest part of the page. The person viewing the page should never even notice the background.

I have followed the advice above, I am NOT PANICKING, I have my towel and my frood and have draped the towel over the monitor so I don't have to look at it...... I know it's up to Rendo whatever they decide to do, but maybe posting a screen shot of the proposed changes would resolve a lot of problems. I like many others am not anti change, in fact I relish it, but change that makes it very hard/virtually impossible for some people to read certain fonts. headers etc is not imho good change. I don't care if Rendo decide to make it sky blue pink with a purple lemon border as long as I can read it in various light settings.

You can re-color with a plugin for your browser called 'color that site' if you want....

First, we shouldn't have to use a plugin to change the colors of the site. It should either be well designed enough to not need one for anyone other than the nitpickers, or should have several color options for people to choose from before resorting to a plugin.

Second, can we please, please, PLEASE! Implement code to allow the website to adjust to different screen ratios. There is, and has been since the new forums were introduced, far too much empty space on the sides. Even on a 1280x1024 screen there's more space between the elements of the pace and the edge of a maximized browser screen than there should be.

And lastly, I'm going to go pessimistic cynic here, but I don't see the PTB choosing this time to listen to us and try to make anything better. They repeatedly displayed a "we know what you really want for this site, even if you don't" attitude, and I don't see them changing.

The last Markeplace update has resulted in me practically completely stopping my browsing of it, and with this latest I'm considering either making another site my homepage (first such consideration in over a decade...).

Now, I don't actually mind the color scheme that DAZ chose for their website redesign (but that's the only thing I liked), and that is because it is a fairly neutral, muted complementary color scheme. Renderosity used to have one in regards to blue that served as a kind of site identity, but they've been moving away from that for a while, and (IMHO) losing the site identity in the process.

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While where terrorizing Renderosity ,A spell checker would be nice.

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Would it help?

Since renderosity is updataing there site.
Thought a spellchecker like DAZ ,zBrush has would be a good idea.
So Renderosity will be up with the times.
Every one knows what happens to out dated tech.

Quote - You can re-color with a plugin for your browser called 'color that site' if you want....

That's just shuffing responsiblity off, as far as I'm concerned. This was just a bad move, period, and a plug-in will not correct that.

Completely agree.
The header is WAY too high, and lots of lost space on the sides.
Even on a small screen the header should take no more then 1 inch.

Even on my big monitor the header alone takes half the screen in height while the sides are enmpty.

How did this ever pass alfa stage?.

Oh, gosh!

At least now I'm sure I haven't had any virus attack and it's not my computer.

Eagerly waiting for the new site design...

(obviously not this!) lol

it isn't very easy to read and this is how the blue on blue appears for me

does this imply that rendo pro's are testing in the production environment instead of in a local copy? Interesting.

this is how my comment box in the galleries section looks like - way smaller than before.

I hate change but I do like progress.

Anyone else try a simple copy and paste yet for a forum response?

Interesting results.

Thers suposed to be a Spel Checher?

Yes, you still can't copy and paste!!!

Please no blue on blue.

Wow... blinding... I am not fond of the changes at all. Is there a way for the user to change them? At least it isn't white font on white background (looking at you foriegn film subtitle management who puts white lettering on snow scenes... grrr). This seems very boxy now too. Wow. It does hurt the eyes. Just a few moments and eye strain. Sure the competition didn't do this?

This kind of seems very retro design look. Not in a good way, more in a 2002 website design way.

Only thing I don't mind is the sans-serif font.. :)

I tried to read the interview with the Artist of the Month. Gray fonts against the blue background doesn't provide a comfortable contrast

The blue links on the blue background is seriously wrong. I don't know how anybody could see that combo and think it works.

can someone please site mail me when it's been sorted out, it really does hurt my eyes and it's not pleasant. I'll be back when it has become vision friendly....

background ect  sucks  change it  back fore we all  go  blind  and  cant  see to  buy   nothin

For me is less disturbing (if I can say so...) the blue text on blue than the big white top and right background.

should the drop down menu at the top work when you put the mouse over it ?  I have to click the menu to get the dropdown list.

I only offered this as it's what I'm using to handle the changes.  I guess in a pinch, it's worked for me.

Quote - should the drop down menu at the top work when you put the mouse over it ?  I have to click the menu to get the dropdown list.

No, for me it's the same... :blink:

Quote - I only offered this as it's what I'm using to handle the changes.  I guess in a pinch, it's worked for me.

Oh yeah; I don't think anyone's disputing that but it seems to me the main gripe(s) are the lack of thought put into the changes.

It's one thing to give us something new and entirely another to give us something that looks terrible, is hard to use and have to fix it ourselves.

As I - and others - have already said, why on earth did this version go live?  Should have been tested thoroughly tested before putting it out here.  Knowing how fractious many members are here, it can only serve to piss people off more and more.

I hope when it's all finished there's a co-ordinated, coherent look and feel to the site.  For now - and for a long time - it's looked a messy ragbag of styles and shapes, and the damn banners all over make it look like a cheapo market stall rather than a professional looking site.  

Will Rendo be issuing free sunglasses to view the current system??

All the best.

LROG

Quote - its bloody awful lol just my opinion, still only to be expected, the chat room hasnt worked properly since Bert and Ernie rebuilt that :)

Actually, I think chat is the only thing that works now ;). LOL

Laurie

Put this back on your other sever and get a few people to test it BEFORE you bring it back.

All the best.

LROG