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Subject: Miki 4 Halo style armor


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rokket ( ) posted Thu, 16 May 2013 at 8:41 PM

Quote - rokket, thx fr yr work on this.  your attitude is positive and friendly, and I want to commend you on your participation here.  addtionally, you may try this metallised glass visor shader, should you desire it.

Well, thank you very much! It's really nice to be appreciated.

I copied that shader and I am going to try it out. Thank you for that.

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rokket ( ) posted Thu, 16 May 2013 at 9:26 PM

Quote -   It would be nice to see some procedural shaders made for it.

Right now procedurals are all I have on it since it's not mapped. I will see how the mapping turns out before I go either way.

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rokket ( ) posted Thu, 16 May 2013 at 9:29 PM · edited Thu, 16 May 2013 at 9:30 PM

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Here is now that metallized shader turned out. Keeping in mind that there is no one in the suit, so you can see into the helmet somewhat because of the refraction. Looks ok?

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rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 1:02 AM

Quote - Here is now that metallized shader turned out. Keeping in mind that there is no one in the suit, so you can see into the helmet somewhat because of the refraction. Looks ok?

Nahhhh. I didn't look too closely at the shader. This isn't what it's supposed to look like...

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rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 2:01 AM · edited Fri, 17 May 2013 at 2:03 AM

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Ok, the modeling is done. Going to take a break and then start on seeing if I can UV map it. Last time it was a mess. If I can't get decent maps I'll just stick with the procedurals.

How does she look?

I finally got the metallic lense shader right, and I am rendering a close up of the helmet to post in a minute or two.

You can clearly see the hood under the helmet. I am liking this. I can't wait to get it rigged and tested.

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rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 2:11 AM

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The helmet close up.

Thank you so much, Miss Nancy!!!!

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rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 2:24 AM

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Since I imported the armor as a single .obj file, I thought I'd throw Miki's DEV rig on it. Now, without doing any tweaking of the falloff zones or anything else, I injected a pose that I made for Miki on it.

She isn't inside the suit. I wanted to see what would happen if it wasn't conformed to her.

There are some obvious issues, and the seams on the crotch split in the back, but this does look promising...

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rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 4:27 AM

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Confirmed my hypothesis. I scaled and exported this as a single .obj file. Later I may export all but the helmet and hood. Those will be separate figures. 

If I was to individually import and rig each part, it could probably work, but that seems like a whole lot of work tweaking each and every bone.

I will tweak the rigging later on and start packaging this up.

How many people want this?

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 9:53 AM

The posing looks promising.  I was concerned about how the mesh would respond to a pose.  Nice work.  Sign me up.  I'll take enough for a whole army.


rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 11:27 AM

Thanks! I am going to start tweaking the rig later today. I was hoping to see a few more reponses, but I guess it's early in the AM here.

Progress report when there is progress to report!

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rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 11:52 AM

I just realized this is a landmark for me.

Not only is it the most complicated model I have ever made, it's my first conforming figure, and my first venture with weight maps.

I jumped from walking to a race car.... :blink:

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 5:44 PM
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I'll take a dozen. Well maybe a half dozen to start with.


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rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 6:23 PM

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> Quote - I'll take a dozen. Well maybe a half dozen to start with.

:lol:

Sure!

Here is the coloring I am thinking of using for the base. Of course I will probably do a bunch of options and add them as a MatPose file (gotta figure out how to do that)...

How does it look? Too much? Not enough?

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 8:40 PM

ATM, just right.  Why not save the textures as mc6?  MATPoses are becoming a thing of the past.


rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 9:15 PM

Quote - ATM, just right.  Why not save the textures as mc6?  MATPoses are becoming a thing of the past.

mc6 is just a material collection, right? I do that anyway for things I package up to give away. I was just thinking of those who don't know how to use the material room...

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 11:11 PM

MC6's are specific to the figure, so the collection will span over the different material zones designated by the individual vendors.  The advantage over MATPose files, easily applicable to both individual figures & props, especially props without a figure in the scene.  The user only needs to be in the Material Room to use them.


rokket ( ) posted Fri, 17 May 2013 at 11:17 PM

Quote - MC6's are specific to the figure, so the collection will span over the different material zones designated by the individual vendors.  The advantage over MATPose files, easily applicable to both individual figures & props, especially props without a figure in the scene.  The user only needs to be in the Material Room to use them.

I was already thinking that. I am going to include the above materials as one set, and use the default setting as the original colors I was using when I started posting my progress.

If all goes well, I should be able to upload this armor by Monday.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 2:36 AM

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This is the 3rd and final time I have imported this armor into Poser and weight mapped it. I didn't save those other figures because I was doing other things. This time I am going to save my work and actually adjust this rig so that the chest armor doesn't distort and move when she moves her shoulders and arms (you can see the dark spots on the shoulder area).

 It's hard to see in this render, but her gloves aren't fitting properly to her hands either. When I conform the armor to her body, they ride up for some reason. Her original boots were doing that too and I can't figure out why.

But how is this for a final thought? As I stated earlier, I will rig the helmet and hood as separate figures, so she can remove the helmet.

 

I am still pondering the gloves. Opinion? Should I leave them attached to the armor, or make it so they can be removed too? I have never seen Halo armor where the gloves weren't part of the under armor except in home made versions (Pepakura).

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hborre ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 7:55 AM

As a suggestion, and if possible, removable gloves would be an asset.  I would love to have that option.  Or a separate MAT zone which can be switched invisible when needed. 

The range of movement will be restrictive with armor like that, extreme poses will just simple distort the mesh.  Users should be aware of these limitations.  Perhaps you may need to set those in the rigging.


rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 11:10 AM · edited Sat, 18 May 2013 at 11:19 AM

Yeah, the main goal I am after in the rigging is that the chest armor doesn't move when the arms do. I only want it to follow the chest twist or side to side movement, so perhaps I will smart prop it. I had a piece of the chest armor rigged so that it was fairly stiff (unchecked bend, tweaked the falloff zones), but like a fool I deleted it because I wanted to do the entire armor instead.

I got to thinking about it last night as I was going to sleep, and I may just export out in pieces: the underarmor with the shoulder padding, gauntlets, belt and thigh armor as one piece,the chest, the hood, the helmet, the gloves and finally the boots. That would be eight pieces total. Doable, but it will take a bit more time. I am up for it.

Then you would have a range of options available (like that scene where she is at the campsite with her helmet and gloves off, pouring sand out of her boot).

As far as limitations in ROM, I guess when the user sees the chest piece poke through Miki, he/she knows they bent her too far...

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rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 1:25 PM

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I imported the first part into poser and rigged it. The good news is that I don't have to tweak the rig at all. The bad news is, I am going to have to make the belt a separate part. Oh well.

More good news: I injected a couple of Miki's morphs into it and they took without any issues. So you can morph her body and the armor will follow.

And it poses really nice. But of course if you load a standard pose you will have to make adjustments for the armor.

The above render has the Miki 4 body injection. Turned out really nice.

I am getting excited for this all over again.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


Eric Walters ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 2:29 PM

Nice work Rokket!!



rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 3:49 PM

Thanks. I just finished UV mapping everything --- after I said I wasn't going to. I have some ideas about what I want this armor to look like, and I can't do it with procedurals because I suck at it.

So I am going to import the whole mess, get the textures and materials the way I want them, then re-rig and go from there.

The textures in the image above are close to what I am thinking, but I am going to stick with the original red and tan coloring scheme.

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rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 5:22 PM

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This is it. This is the look I am going for. I will still offer the base colors, but I really, really like this.

Opinions?

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hborre ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 9:51 PM

You have done a grand slam job!

 


rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 10:07 PM

Quote - You have done a grand slam job!

 

Thanks!

The under armor is rigged and I am working on the gloves now. I had a problem with them when they were part of the under armor, so I am hoping they will not be a problem now.

I am rigging them separately so you can take them both off or one off, or whatever!

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Ravyns ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 10:37 PM

I agree with hborre .. You've done a grand slam job on the halo armor.   ** 
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rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 10:44 PM

Quote - I agree with hborre .. You've done a grand slam job on the halo armor.   ** 
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Thank you, that means a lot coming from you!

But hold the praise until you download it... hehehe... :m_wink:

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Ravyns ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 11:13 PM

It's going to be awesome rokket. And I really the camo texture.  I recently forced myself to learn a little about the material room. It's not as scary as I thought it would be. LOL

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rokket ( ) posted Sat, 18 May 2013 at 11:26 PM

Quote - It's going to be awesome rokket. And I really the camo texture.  I recently forced myself to learn a little about the material room. It's not as scary as I thought it would be. LOL

For me, I have a handle on the simple things, but start throwing the math in there, and I am lost. Thank god for bagginsbill.

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rokket ( ) posted Wed, 29 May 2013 at 1:27 PM · edited Wed, 29 May 2013 at 1:29 PM

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UPDATE:

I have most of the rigging done. I will have the armor uploaded to freestuff sometime this weekend.

I have been messing with shaders and nodes, wanting to do the armor completely procedural.

The texture map I was using for the camo armor was from a pic I found out was copyrighted. So I scrapped it and went with using the Spots node under 3D textures.

The under armor texture was a done with tweaking the marble node's scale and turbulance, along with changing the default colors. I also plugged the node into Bump and set it for .08...

My Poser units are inches...

How does it look? I know some are probably as anxious to get their hands on it as I am to release it.

 

I am still trying to figure out what I want to do with the lense on the helmet. I am working on that one today.

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hborre ( ) posted Wed, 29 May 2013 at 7:27 PM

The armor camo looks great!  Not too crazy about the under armor texture, but it can work.  Something to look forwards to.


rowlando ( ) posted Thu, 30 May 2013 at 4:13 AM

following this is great

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AetherDream ( ) posted Thu, 30 May 2013 at 6:29 AM

This is so wonderful! I love seeing stuff for "the other guys and gals"

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rokket ( ) posted Sun, 02 June 2013 at 12:10 PM

Quote - The armor camo looks great!  Not too crazy about the under armor texture, but it can work.  Something to look forwards to.

If it's not to your liking, it can always be tweaked in the materials room. Won't be able to do anything with texture maps, though. None of this was UV mapped.

Will be uploaded in the next day or two, with a very extensive ReadMe file...

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Sun, 02 June 2013 at 2:35 PM

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Is this any better? The suit part is UV mapped now, and I am working on a decent texture...

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hborre ( ) posted Sun, 02 June 2013 at 3:32 PM

I do like this.  The detailing is very well proportioned and crisp.  It definitely works.


rokket ( ) posted Sun, 02 June 2013 at 4:57 PM

Cool, back to tweaking the rig. Hopefully it will be done soon. I've had to tweak it several times to make sure it wouldn't come undone with different poses...

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rokket ( ) posted Sun, 02 June 2013 at 5:38 PM

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Final change on the materials. Hopefully, this will meet with the standard. I've wasted almost an entire day that I could have been rigging. But, I don't want to release something that everyone is not happy with, so....

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Sun, 02 June 2013 at 5:44 PM
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That looks very good. Looking forward to it.


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Fremmen ( ) posted Sun, 02 June 2013 at 8:47 PM

This looks fantastic. I can't wait to try it out. Thanks in advance for creating this. Your latest materials look great.


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