And there are people I'd like to contact, like GK to tell him the carraracafe is still screwing up.

Or to tell Roygee that it's not parinioa if people are out to get you.

And so on.

How is CC screwing up? Seems okay here

As for Daz you know they prob have you blocked :p

Why not PM GK here?

Well ya

And I haven't found the PM option for here. I'm probably just not seeing it.

You can find me at Stan's... er ahh the Carraracafe easy enough  But you still have to relog to see your posts, that is why I am trying to reach GK.

do a member search, then when on their page click contact ;)

Quote - do a member search, then when on their page click contact ;)

Or, if you see a post by them, click on the homepage link under the username and then on the contact tab on the page.

ncamp

Thanks all. That got it. I'm just bad about not looking in the right palce

Hey Stan

Hope you're doing okay.

I was doing fine till I saw the price of the carrara .5 update. I'm done.

there is an issue with the price of it atm - if your in the PC you should get it for about $85

What you are missing is the full price for the .5 update is $285. I only paid $120 to upgrade from C7pro-C8pro. You are also failing to add the cost of joining the Pclub to get that price.

Now think about this, what is the upgrade price of C9 going to be if the .5 update is $285?

I dont pay for the PC as I am still a PA over there - Although I am not getting the discount so email them about it, although I think a few said they got the discount even though they wernt in the PC, just another Daz cock up I bet

Quote - What you are missing is the full price for the .5 update is $285. I only paid $120 to upgrade from C7pro-C8pro. You are also failing to add the cost of joining the Pclub to get that price. Now think about this, what is the upgrade price of C9 going to be if the .5 update is $285?

Ouch!

Yeah, I was pretty shocked by the price. I'm still a PC member and I expected to probably pay $50 or so for the upgrade. The upgrade is $85 with PC membership and if you already own C8.

P.S. You called it correctly Stan. The Daz site is all messed up. A lot of PC members are pissed off about the high price, plus the price isn't showing up correctly in the Shopping Cart. Of course Daz isn't open yet and people are upset.

Man, you should put that psychic power to work and get paid!

Just came over from DAZ. Lot of unhappy folks. Lot of happy folks, too.

That upgrade price is not quite 'minimal' to me. I expected maybe 50 bucks. Not interested in Genesis, but was looking forward to some of the other features in the upgrade.

Sad day. We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.

Quote - Just came over from DAZ. Lot of unhappy folks. Lot of happy folks, too.

Yeah, I can really trust the landscape I see over at Daz. You always know there will be happy people and unhappy ones, but with Daz, they delete posts and edit others. Hard to believe more people aren't upset about the price.

Quote - That upgrade price is not quite 'minimal' to me. I expected maybe 50 bucks. Not interested in Genesis, but was looking forward to some of the other features in the upgrade. Sad day. We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.

I was expecting something between $40-$50 too.

Hopefully they will extend the 2 week deadline, because that's not a lot of time to come up with the money.

Yeah, I was surprised, too, by the seemingly small number of complaints for what would, in the past, have gotten just about everybody up in arms and caused DAZ to circle the wagons. I mean, that upgrade price was a genuine shock.

And that two week time frame. 30 days seems like a more friendly amount of time to purchase at the discounted price. It almost seems like they don't want people to upgrade. I mean with the high price and short window to get the discount.

Quote - Yeah, I was surprised, too, by the seemingly small number of complaints for what would, in the past, have gotten just about everybody up in arms and caused DAZ to circle the wagons. I mean, that upgrade price was a genuine shock.

I think the way it went was a few posts were quietly deleted, then a few people were told "Hey, if you don't want to join Stan in exile, toe the bloody line!"

Quote - And that two week time frame. 30 days seems like a more friendly amount of time to purchase at the discounted price. It almost seems like they don't want people to upgrade. I mean with the high price and short window to get the discount.

Daz seems to have this idea that we are all just sitting on stacks of money and they have to incentivize us to "Buy Now". That's why they started the "Value" category. The only thing the value category caused most people to do is buy only things they are certain they want and forget the rest.

You better watch out. We're going to get a DAZ fanboi in here pretty soon and slap us all down for talking trash about their girl friend, I mean, DAZ.

Sorry. Just had to. Won't do it again. :)

Yes, I have been in and out and reading on the DAZ forum. Just in the sticked thread I've seen quite a few deletions. The fact is you wont see many complaints, unless you are right there reading. 

Hey, if people wanted it any other way they would do something. Right?

Quote - Yes, I have been in and out and reading on the DAZ forum. Just in the sticked thread I've seen quite a few deletions. The fact is you wont see many complaints, unless you are right there reading. 

Yeah, I learned this back when Daz released V5 as a Genesis morph (and other times too). If you came in a day or 2 later, you would think it was a nearly 100% love fest. If you were actively watching the threads, you would have seen even moderate concerns get deleted. PAGES worth.

Then the cheerleaders come in and shout even louder. Gives you a false sense of the situation.

Quote - Just came over from DAZ. Lot of unhappy folks. Lot of happy folks, too.

That upgrade price is not quite 'minimal' to me. I expected maybe 50 bucks. Not interested in Genesis, but was looking forward to some of the other features in the upgrade.

Sad day. We'll see what happens in the next two weeks.

greetings :)

what features exactly were you looking forward too?

not being facetious, just looking for a reason to use Carrara 8.5 over 8.1 which for me is stable. As you know I just do stills.

Hey, Andrew! I've been meaning to get in touch with you. I've been a bit busy. Got another art gig. This one long term. Been keeping me busy. :) I'll have to post some images soon.

I was actually looking forward to the update after reading the list of improvements. I don't use Genesis, but the Bullet physics improvements actually seemed useful. Also, the autofit feature seemed good. Those were the two main things I was looking forward to. Can't remember what else at the moment.

After reading some comments here and at DAZ, I've since found that the features I was excited about may not be ready for prime time.

The main thing that kept me from not getting the update was the price. $285 is definitely not the small fee DAZ kept saying would be charged. And I do know that I could get it for 85 but that would mean paying an extra 25 for the PC.

I'm still using 8.1 along with Poser. Between the two I get done what I need. I enjoy working in Carrara. It's fast, easy and gives me good results. I finally had need for the 3D paint function. After I figured it out, it worked great. Once I get the image approved by the folks I'm working with, I'll have to show it to you. I was very impressed with the results.

I won't stop using Carrara unless I have to. I'm skipping this update but not abandoning Carrara. It's just too cool of a program. :)

Oh I love working with carrara. Genesis is a PITA though. And autofit only works with G1 and G2F, but only if you have the right morphs for the figure, and even then it didn't work too well in the beta.

Holly has some info up on the changes to animation tools on the carraracafe http://carraracafe.com/forum-3/?cid=1&show=513

hjake "Carrara Pro 8.5 is $549.95 and it is on sale for $285.00.

NO. And why on earth did DAZ_spooky agree with that?

The update from C8.1 to C8.5 is $285. Carrara 8.5 pro is not on sale.

scottidog2 DSON is studio, poserCF is poser weightmapped and carrara can't use it.

If people want answers they need to get off the DAZ forum. I'm not there.

Quote - If people want answers they need to get off the DAZ forum. I'm not there.

That much is true. Either get your information right here in the Rendo forums or go over to the Cafe.

HYa David, that's fantastic news about the job/work! Really looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

Ah, I bought 8.5 for a few reasons. One of them was to keep Daz afloat and interested in developing Carrara :) T'other reason was for cloth sim - which is a waste of time still. Unless you want to drape a table cloth on a character's head - then it works pretty well. 

I loaded up a coat obj 7,000 polys? and tried to do a cloth sim, Carrara stalled. So I took it into Poser and poser stalled! So I still need to give carrara some more testing - but the next time I did it crashed. (another garment) I think it's because we can't rule out parts of the figure eg head hands feet etc like we cam in Poser. 

Also I loaded up a scene in Car 8.5 I had been working on, mucked around did a test render and timed it. Didn't save scene as I have been warned  of mip mapping??? problems going from car 8.5 to 8.1?? Loaded it up in car 8.1, did a render and timed it - same times. But I did notice that some of my texture names were missing in the shader room..... (you knowhow you can see the name of a texture if you select the parameter that it resides in) 

Not sure if it's anything to do with car 8.5 I am paranoid after the first beta screwed my runtime and daz was still letting people download it knowing it would screw their runtime and not warning people! 

not bashing daz, just saying that maybe somethings could get tested better.

so I have Car 8.5, can't really see a use for it in my workflow though. Which is sad. It just disrupts my workflow at the moment.

Eg half the time when you add a runtime it gives it some weird name and you can't see the pics that go with the runtime, then you add it again and it works, so you have to go and delete the other runtime etc....

I think for the next update DAZ really needs to listen to it's customers, rather than listening to their accountant.

They need to ask what their users want and give it to them, rather than give us what they think will be good for Daz.

Hmm, I'm not really bashing daz...... 

sorry to abduct your thread stan,

Frank__ The is not a feature, that is a bug it took DAZ 3 builds to fix; carrara and MTL files.

Not a problem headwax.

"Not sure if it's anything to do with car 8.5 I am paranoid after the first beta screwed my runtime and daz was still letting people download it knowing it would screw their runtime and not warning people!"

Nothing new at DAZ or limited to carrara. Ask Holly about mimic on Mac

"T'other reason was for cloth sim - which is a waste of time still. Unless you want to drape a table cloth on a character's head - then it works pretty well. "

Oh I'll argue with you there. Most of my tests showed that yes it was slow, but could drape most all clothes. But draping for a still was about all it could do.

I wish we could organize the carrara browser. Set it to sort alphabetically, or by most used, or drag and drop. Mostly because My folders usually end up at the bottom of a list.

Back to getting my new comp set up.

I wish we could organize the carrara browser. Set it to sort alphabetically, or by most used, or drag and drop. Mostly because My folders usually end up at the bottom of a list.

yes we need to get Fenric to do a plug in but I don't think he can access that part?not sure?

but it's just a txt file I think, so someone with programming knowledge might be able to access it??? and make a better way of arranging it outside of carrara

poser has a much better library access

Would some one tell Cloudrunner77 http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28009/

That he probably used the consolidate shaders so all the eye textures have the same shader. Change the surface shader and it changes all the eye shaders. He will have to apply new master shader to the eye surface shader to fix it.

When I find it ill give some good eye settings, on the surface shader think 1000% not 100%, to make them shine. ;)

no i refuse to do it :)

David, if you are still listening, you might not realise that Joe has banished himself from the carrara forum

Don't get me started on JM. Not with the crap he has done and gotten away with, while I got banned for telling the truth.

And where is Andy? I haven't seen a post from 3DAGE in ages.

Hey, Andrew! Still here. In between corrections at the moment. Sorry to hear that 8.5 is not up to snuff. I really am. Even though I'm opting not to buy this round of Carrara, I did want it to work. Especially the physics end of it.

It's sad, really. All that work and time spent on the beta and development, it still seems like 8.5 is in beta.

For cloth sims, I would have recommended Marvelous Designer, but since they released their newest version the company seems to be taking lessons from DAZ. The new program has fewer features than the previous v.2 and the cost has risen by a lot. They're even pushing a subscription plan which is totals to to like 3 or 4 hundred dollars for a year. I'm sticking with v.2, which is no longer available. What are these companys thinking?

For Poser cloth sims, make extra sure that there's very little to no pokethrough for the garment. I don't use Poser's cloth sim much, but when I do that's the biggest problem I have. I always forget it when it's time to run the sim. But I'm not getting old. :) Also make sure you've ticked which collisions you want or don't want. Can't remember anything else at the moment. No, I'm not getting old at all.

Quote - Don't get me started on JM. Not with the crap he has done and gotten away with, while I got banned for telling the truth.

And where is Andy? I haven't seen a post from 3DAGE in ages.

Hey, Stan. JM? If you're talking about who I think you're talking about, I always hated that guy. What a jerk! I've always wondered why he even shows up in the Carrara forums. He certainly doesn't use the software. At least not with any above average ability. The few renders he's posted were far less than stunning for someone who's supposed to be in the 'industry'. He just seems to show up every so often to piss on folks and then disappears. Real pro, that guy.

I've also been wondering where Andy has got off to.

Of all the forums I am on I only have 1 person on an ignor list

I should probably ingnore him, but then I'd miss out on all his wonderful 'charm' and his 'unique' understanding of everything CG and 3D. I mean, as far as he's concerned he's the god of the 3d world. Who am I to ignore god? Heh, heh.

sorry forget about Joe, not worth worry about.

I think andy got worn down by Joe, just another one of Joe's victims.

It's not good when everytime you visit a forum it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

And I think Holly got sick of being moderated??? she mentioned it once then vanished, though she stuck her head up at the cafe.

The list of the fallen grows bigger all the time. Fenric hardly posts too. Which is a pita as his plugins have really made my life much easier and sped up my workflow amazingly.

how long before your ban is lifted?

sorry david I just saw your posts!!! hmm, they weren't there a second ago!

be back soon!

Wont, third time.

I refuse to turn a blind eye, I refuse to worship at the DAZen idol. They wont let me back in. Persoanally, if I can't be me, I can stay banned.

DAZ wants their own personal little army of cheerleaders on the forum to help sell their products. And nay sayers just harsh the consumer frenzy.

Heaven forbid forum readers should have a reality check.

Now you all know I was useing the C8.5 beta for the full time it was in beta. I used it exclusivly and built +- 80 scenes. Did day upon day of soft cloth and other bullet physics tests. Wasted hours trying to get a decent dynaimc clothing sim in to carrara; DUF and carrara were not the issue.

I only had 3 big issues. Removing the 0 pose 0 morph buttons, Genesis, and autofit. Now I read the know issues list. Yes they are quite well know, like 18 months of well known. It's nice they warned peopel, been better if they had actually ficed them.

None the less; and boy do I ramble, I have no issues with C8.5 as is. I like it, I miss it. But I don't $285 wother of like or miss it.

The sales are simply smoke and mirrors.

sorry you are banned Stan. Yes I agree smoke and mirrors. !

David! Thanks for that advise on the cloth sims! The biggest problem I have is getting Poser and Carrara to talk as far as obj sizes.

My typical workflow would be  (if it was practical)

1. set up scene in Carrara,

2. suddenly decide I would like a draped cloth on a character that looks more realistic with groovy folds etc,

3. hit a magic button that opens scene in poser, run cloth sim, then open it in Carrara

at the moment my workflow is

setup scene in carrara, export an object from the eg k4 figure, with morphs and skinning baked on, bring it intio poser, do the draping, then bring the draped cloth into carrara and then try to get it to fit to the figure like it did in poser as it did on the obj in Poser.

Not worth the trouble!

Poser's new morph tools atre great for making folds in fabric though.

I probably should just make fold morphs for conformed clothing and save them  as new figures  in  the poser library.

At the moment I am trying to get a route for getting Genesis clothes  into Poser so I can use the fitting room to fit them to v4 k4 etc. I haven't really mucked around with dison stuff, havenm't had time.

Also via xdresser. Xdresser site says I have to load them up in Daz studio and use a plug in to export a cr2 etc. Pity carrara 8.5 doesnt export a cr2 file......

As I said great news about your project.!

I'm nearlty at the end of another wordless book. 30 pages, about 150 illustrations, Hopefully my agent will sell the first one soon!

Oh did I tell you about my conspiracy theory?:)

Pssst..

I think that JM and Andy are one and the same person, and that it's like Jeckyl and Hyde.

One is so nice and wonderful and helpful and smart.

The other is the antithesis.

They are two sides of the same coin.

Nothing wrong with Jeckyl and Hyde mind you. Ha ha aha ahahahahah haaah haaa :)

Quote - One is so nice and wonderful and helpful and smart.

The other is the antithesis.

They are two sides of the same coin.

The yin and the yang, dark and light, each one defines the other ................

That is why DAZ needs me on the forum, counter point to dartanbeck

Sci Fi Funk that is "Studio" not DAZ. And carrara has a comparativly moderate learning curve. Compared to Blender or Maya it's a pleasent incline

Why do people think Studio is DAZ? And why does no one correct them?

Ignorance is solved by being informed.

One last time, DAZ is the brokerage, Studio is the sales gimmick. K?

Quote - sorry you are banned Stan. Yes I agree smoke and mirrors. !

 

David! Thanks for that advise on the cloth sims! The biggest problem I have is getting Poser and Carrara to talk as far as obj sizes.

My typical workflow would be  (if it was practical)

1. set up scene in Carrara,

2. suddenly decide I would like a draped cloth on a character that looks more realistic with groovy folds etc,

3. hit a magic button that opens scene in poser, run cloth sim, then open it in Carrara

at the moment my workflow is

setup scene in carrara, export an object from the eg k4 figure, with morphs and skinning baked on, bring it intio poser, do the draping, then bring the draped cloth into carrara and then try to get it to fit to the figure like it did in poser as it did on the obj in Poser.

Not worth the trouble!

Poser's new morph tools atre great for making folds in fabric though.

I probably should just make fold morphs for conformed clothing and save them  as new figures  in  the poser library.

At the moment I am trying to get a route for getting Genesis clothes  into Poser so I can use the fitting room to fit them to v4 k4 etc. I haven't really mucked around with dison stuff, havenm't had time.

Also via xdresser. Xdresser site says I have to load them up in Daz studio and use a plug in to export a cr2 etc. Pity carrara 8.5 doesnt export a cr2 file......

 

As I said great news about your project.!

I'm nearlty at the end of another wordless book. 30 pages, about 150 illustrations, Hopefully my agent will sell the first one soon!

Great news about the new book. Keep swinging.

You are so right about obj size troubles between Poser and Carrara. It's causing me some difficulties right now. I have never been able to figure out the conversion ratio between the two.

You might consider creating/morphing the character in Poser, saving into the library and then opening it in Carrara for texturing and posing and such. When/if you decide you need dynamics, you can go back to Poser and open the figure you saved to the library, pose it and do the dynamics, save the result into the library and then open in Carrara. At least things should be the same size. Not really a time saver but maybe less aggravation.

If I had C8.5 I could show you just what can be done with soft cloth. I worked with it quite a bit when the beta was first released. In fact poser dynamic clothing has worked quite wel for me, just a matter of pulling polies to fit to the pose. Modeling in the assembly room is quite good for this, and soft select is your freind

Oh, yes. Soft select. :)

Quote - That is why DAZ needs me on the forum, counter point to dartanbeck

I like Dartanbeck, but wow. The most positive person I have ever met. You could tell him athe moon is going to slam into the Earth and he would say "It's only going to hit one side". I like him but the positivity can be a bit much. 

Keep rockin Dart!

Quote - Sci Fi Funk that is "Studio" not DAZ. And carrara has a comparativly moderate learning curve. Compared to Blender or Maya it's a pleasent incline 

Why do people think Studio is DAZ? And why does no one correct them?

Ignorance is solved by being informed.

One last time, DAZ is the brokerage, Studio is the sales gimmick. K?

Well, in my offline world, everyone I know calls DazStudio, Daz.  The only reason I bother calling it D|S or DazStudio is you can come in here and ask "how do I do X in Daz 2.4" and two days will pass and people will act like they don't know what you're talking about. You come back and after 2 days all you get is people asking you "Do you mean DazStudio" when they bloody well knew what you were talking about.

I don't bother to "correct" anyone because I know what people are talking about when they say "Daz."

Well there are a few things I am funny about. You don't say I need a gardening tool when you mean a shovel. That may be a samsung in you living room but when it scews up you don't say your samsung is on the frtiz

For me it's how you seperate the company from the app. It's not Dazcarrara, dazbryce, or dazhex. But I'll have to admit it has been dazstudio since the first release. None the less when they say DAZ when they mean Studio, I will correct them.

I mean no offence, I have been corrected by people most of my life, so it just seems natural to me.

Quote - > Quote - That is why DAZ needs me on the forum, counter point to dartanbeck

I like Dartanbeck, but wow. The most positive person I have ever met. You could tell him athe moon is going to slam into the Earth and he would say "It's only going to hit one side". I like him but the positivity can be a bit much. 

Keep rockin Dart!

Yeah, Dartenback is a great guy, and I love his spirit for Carrara, but Wow! Does that guy know how to be calm and laid back. I don't think so. :)

By the way, if you haven't got his Environment Kit set for Carrara, it's great.

I'm not going to say anything bad about Dartenback's work. But then I am not going to pay for something I am quite capable of; and enjoy doing, myself.

I mean Howies stuff is excellent, well worth the price. But I can do that; just too lazy to. 

Maybe it's because I am so used to doing a lot myself, and the funnest part of this for me is the staging. Right now I am working on retexturing all of the M4 pirate outfit. Once I have done it, and have the texture builds; genetica GTXs, I can change up the textures with ease.  I have several GTXs spacifically for moding skins on the mil3 and 4 figures. Full body tatoos are the hardest ones to get right; got to avoid seams.

But I agree, as much as I like dartenback, his constent over the top cheerleading for DAZ wares on my nerves. Sometimes he makes it sound like DAZ should be given sainthood.

Quote - I mean no offence, I have been corrected by people most of my life, so it just seems natural to me.

No offence taken.

Plus, The few times I remember you correcting someone, you actually took time to answer the person's question. Some of the people who insist on correcting others just pretend to not even have a clue about what's being discussed and never bother to even try answering the question.

I grew up around a lot of people for whom English is a 2nd language, so I have to (unless I want to be a nuissance) try to understand what people mean. Correcting them only when they are saying something that will offend others or something of the kind.

Quote - Wont, third time.

Damn, Stan

Man, maybe you should just break down and apologise, promise not to do it again.

I had to apologise and promise to lay low a couple of times to avoid a ban.

Yeah, they've been deleting my posts, but they haven't threatened me in a while.

I've been laying low lately after a gang of my posts vanished and I found out you had been banned.

Quote - > Quote - Wont, third time.

Damn, Stan

Man, maybe you should just break down and apologise, promise not to do it again.

I had to apologise and promise to lay low a couple of times to avoid a ban.

Yeah, they've been deleting my posts, but they haven't threatened me in a while.

I've been laying low lately after a gang of my posts vanished and I found out you had been banned.

I understand the sentiment, but I don't think Stan should apologize for being right. I've read his posts. Heck, he's been right more often than wrong. He's helpful and pretty patient with newbies, too. They banned him for no real reason at all. DAZ has proven over and over again in the past couple of years that they don't want folks like Stan hanging around. Makes me sad.

I don't post there much at all anymore because I'm not all together sure what speech is permitted and what is forbidden. I have my negative days. I'd hate to find myself banned because I got up on the wrong side of the bed.

Of course, Stan can do what he wants. I just don't think he's done anything to apologize for. My opinion, of course. :)