Hello,

I am a neophyte when it comes to 3D design, my creative pursuits and career involve creative writing. I am a terrible visual artist.

That's why I am excited to get into the world of Poser and/or Daz. This allows me to conceptualize characters like never before.  These programs may also actually allow me to do some of my own art on projects. A very alluring and heretofore unrealized dream.

But I have questions: 

I have downloaded DAZ and have played around with it.  I have purchased various items such as clothing and characters (the Victorias). The clothing and items I have downloaded do not seem to work properly and some do not work at all. I have downloaded these from the DAZ store itself so it is puzzling why they do not function. I am sure there is some tweaking that can remedy this BUT......

I have seen Poser and the features it contains (like the clothing room!) and wow that's perfect for someone with a limited skill set like myself.  In edition it seems that DAZ products are complicated, this thing is used for Victoria or Aiko or something else whereas Poser items are just billed as "X version and up."

It seems to me if I plan to buy other aritist's work regularly Poser would be infinitly easier. Is this a safe assumption?

Lastly, suppose I purchase a figure designed by an artist and use it in a work, would I owe residuals to that artist? Is it even worth it to buy other artist's work. I have read Renderosity's legal page and it seems that, of course, the artist retains ownership, but I purchase a license; does that license allow me to use artist created puchased content in a creative for profit work?

Thanks for any help you can lend!

Quote - It seems to me if I plan to buy other aritist's work regularly Poser would be infinitly easier. Is this a safe assumption?

 

No.

You didn't describe:

1. What you bought.

2. What figure you bought the clothing for.

Until you do, I don't think anyone can really help you.

For example if you bought the Victoria 4 character and tried to apply morphs from Victoria 6 or clothing from genesis, the clothing is not going to work as each figure is set up and rigged differently. Basically you are dealing with over 8 years worth of tech between 3 DAZ figures; some things will work and some won't. 

You will enccounter the same problems if you buy something for the wrong figure and attempt to load it in Poser. 

There are a lot of figures available for you to use; you have to do your research into what you want to do to decide what to purchase and use.

Quote - Lastly, suppose I purchase a figure designed by an artist and use it in a work, would I owe residuals to that artist? Is it even worth it to buy other artist's work. I have read Renderosity's legal page and it seems that, of course, the artist retains ownership, but I purchase a license; does that license allow me to use artist created puchased content in a creative for profit work?

 

You will need to read the individual EULA for each product to specifically determine your limitations.  Some conten strictly forbidden commercial use or distribution; under these circumstances, the vendor must be contacted directly and negotiate whatever terms benefit both parties.

Maybe this will help.

When it comes to available features, Poser outstrips DS by a light year or more.

Poser has held stable on their UI for years, it's familiar to any user that is already comfortable with it

Studio changes the UI as often as I change my skivvies.

The features of poser are inpressive and powerful, some, DS does not have an equivalent without shucking out bucks for third party addons.  Some, DS just does not have from any source.

But, there is a learning curve, none of the features will give very good results with a single click.  On the reverse side, once you've learned them, almost anything you want to do will be possible. 

The daz figures are well supported, each one must have at least ten thousand pieces of skankwear, that you will never find a good use for.  Although, that's my taste, if you want skankwear, then it's right up your alley. 

Anything from daz above the "4" characters is only a morph of the gene thing.  THeory says any clothing item made for the gene thing should fit any of the morphs, practice may be different.

I do not have ds installled, when I did, click on the icon for it, wait for it to load, click anything, crash to reboot.  Your experience may vary.

No, I'm  not interested in finding a "cure" for it.  I'm pretty happy with the config of my computer as it is, it works with the software I want it to work with. 

FInal note, the so called and misnamed "G2" does not always refer to the gene thing, it has been used for Poser figures since Poser 6.  Which has caused me to download things, then begin swearing when it's for the grey golum, not one of the Poser girls.

@hborre thank you that is good to know that each item has a particular EULA and must be checked on a case by case basis.

@Precsionxxx thank you for the thoughtful reply sounds like you favor Poser it seems like it is far and above a "stronger" product based on your analysis, thank you.

@ male media, I am simply brushing off your response as hostile maladroit nonsense one finds on the internet,

Quote - Maybe this will help.

When it comes to available features, Poser outstrips DS by a light year or more.

Poser has held stable on their UI for years, it's familiar to any user that is already comfortable with it

Studio changes the UI as often as I change my skivvies.

The features of poser are inpressive and powerful, some, DS does not have an equivalent without shucking out bucks for third party addons.  Some, DS just does not have from any source.

But, there is a learning curve, none of the features will give very good results with a single click.  On the reverse side, once you've learned them, almost anything you want to do will be possible. 

The daz figures are well supported, each one must have at least ten thousand pieces of skankwear, that you will never find a good use for.  Although, that's my taste, if you want skankwear, then it's right up your alley. 

Anything from daz above the "4" characters is only a morph of the gene thing.  THeory says any clothing item made for the gene thing should fit any of the morphs, practice may be different.

I do not have ds installled, when I did, click on the icon for it, wait for it to load, click anything, crash to reboot.  Your experience may vary.

No, I'm  not interested in finding a "cure" for it.  I'm pretty happy with the config of my computer as it is, it works with the software I want it to work with. 

FInal note, the so called and misnamed "G2" does not always refer to the gene thing, it has been used for Poser figures since Poser 6.  Which has caused me to download things, then begin swearing when it's for the grey golum, not one of the Poser girls.

However until the OP specifies what figures he/she is having issues with and what he/she wishes to accomplish, it's probably a bit premature to start trashing apps with another round or app wars. 

If you don't have information about what the OP wants, then it becomes misleading to trash one app over another, which isn't objective and may lead to the OP down a road where he's buys things that don't suit he/her needs at all. This is their investment after all.

Quote - @ male media, I am simply brushing off your response as hostile maladroit nonsense one finds on the internet,

But did you describe what your problem was? You absolutely did not. If you didn't notice, I didn't try to take sides and was trying to figure out what you wanted so I could help you make an informed decision so you spend your money what exactly will fit your own needs. No one's a mindreader here; so if you think asking what issues are having and what you want to do is hostile, then please don't create posts asking for help in the first place. 

If what you decide on doesn't meet your needs because you didn't do your research, you really can't blame the people that were honestly trying to help. I'll click the ignore button now.

Sorry this kind of thing makes you so angry Malemedia, I can't really help you.

It sounds like we have similar goals in 3d.   

i use DS4 and PP12 equally these days. and to make it more confusing Carrara8.5.

depending on what the scene is about.

I have to tell ya the Cloth Room and Dyn Hair are not easy, high level of effort and often disappoints. 

Ok, when you say the Victorias, which ones?  Victoria 4, Victoria 5, or Victoria 6?  The reason I'm asking is Victoria 4 is an actual figure with mesh, textures, and whole basic shebang.  V5 and V6 are morph sets of other base figures.  If you don't have the base sets installed, the morphs won't do a darned thing.

Ok, from what you've stated, you downloaded and installed the free version of DS.  Did you down load the Genesis Starter Essentials and the Genesis 2 Female and Male Starter Essentials and install them as well?

Victoria 5 requires the Genesis Starter Essentials be installed as V5 is simply a morph for the Genesis figure.

Victoria 6 is requires the Genesis 2 Female(s) Starter Essentials be installed as V6 is simply a morph for the G2F figure.

V4 is stand alone base figure.

Now comes the fun parts.  V4 base, Genesis Starter and Genesis 2 Starter Essentials are base figures.  They have some basic expression morphs, and other things but if you want to be able to do anything more than posing in the default shape and making a few basic expressions you will have to invest in the morph sets for each figure.

V4 requires the Morphs++ package.  This has all the basic head, body and expression morphs. 

Genesis requires the Evolution head and body morphs.  The head and body morphs are sold indivually or in a bundle.  Genesis is a unimesh figure that can morph from child to male to female. 

Genesis 2 Female(s) requires the G2F head and body morphs.  Again, they are sold individually or in a bundle.  If you want to use the male, you have to buy the morphs for the male the same way.

If you purchased any of the Pro bundles for the Vicki's, you will need the morph sets to use the included characters as they are dial spin characters.

Clothing is another matter entirely.  Without know what clothing you purchased for what figure, I can't answer any questions.

Before I go any further, how much do you actually know about Poser, DAZ Studio and the different incarnations of Victoria?  I ask because there is a vast difference in some cases between what either app can do not to mention between the various versions of Vicki (sorry for the aliteration it wasn't intentional).

I have been playing with 3D for close to 14 years, so a real new boy compared with some.  I started with Daz for a few years and moved to Poser when Poser 5 was around.  Since then I have moved through Poser 6, 7, 8, 2010, 2012 and now 2014 so I have been using it for some time.  For this reason I cannot really speak for the more recent versions of Daz Studio.  I did try version 3 and 4 but like some others it would either not load or was unstable on my machine.  In fairness I did not work very hard at getting it to work as, with Poser already running I had more fun rendering than trying to get software to work.

Having said all that, I would still recommend you try it Daz and see if it is for you, it is free afterall.  If you are new to 3D much of what you learn with Daz will not be wasted even if you do change programs as figures, poses and other aspects are much the same in both programs certainly if you do not include Genesis where the difference between Daz and Poser does begin to appear.

Finally, this is a great forum full of helpful people but, like me they have their own likes and dislikes, which may colour their judgement.  That is the reason that I gave some background so you can at least see where my bias may be for, despite efforts to be even handed, there will be some bias but I can only say it is not intentional.  Use the software you become happy with and have fun, I wish you luck

Quote - I have been playing with 3D for close to 14 years, so a real new boy compared with some.  I started with Daz for a few years and moved to Poser when Poser 5 was around.  Since then I have moved through Poser 6, 7, 8, 2010, 2012 and now 2014 so I have been using it for some time.  For this reason I cannot really speak for the more recent versions of Daz Studio.  I did try version 3 and 4 but like some others it would either not load or was unstable on my machine.  In fairness I did not work very hard at getting it to work as, with Poser already running I had more fun rendering than trying to get software to work.

Having said all that, I would still recommend you try it Daz and see if it is for you, it is free afterall.  If you are new to 3D much of what you learn with Daz will not be wasted even if you do change programs as figures, poses and other aspects are much the same in both programs certainly if you do not include Genesis where the difference between Daz and Poser does begin to appear.

Finally, this is a great forum full of helpful people but, like me they have their own likes and dislikes, which may colour their judgement.  That is the reason that I gave some background so you can at least see where my bias may be for, despite efforts to be even handed, there will be some bias but I can only say it is not intentional.  Use the software you become happy with and have fun, I wish you luck

 

This is very good advice. I would add that, even if you intend to use Poser, learning a little bit about Daz Studio isn't a bad idea as you may eventually be tempted to buy products which must be converted using that software. And if you have adopted a biased view of it, you might lose a lot of flexibility in content that you would otherwise have. DS is free. I think it's silly not to use it at all, unless you really can't get it work on your system.

OP, Male_M3dia didn't intend to be short with you. But you described what could be a very complex problem, without giving nearly enough information -- like going to a mechanic and saying, "Help. My car won't start. What's wrong with it? Should I buy a Mercedes instead?" S/he's going to need to know a lot more to be able to answer your questions. 

I didn't interpet his tone as being hostile. Perhaps a little impatient. But not hostile.

If you have problems with Daz Studio or Daz products, Male_M3dia is a very good source of information, and he probably knows a lot more about both of these topics than most of us who post in the Poser forum. 

Quote - It sounds like we have similar goals in 3d.   

i use DS4 and PP12 equally these days. and to make it more confusing Carrara8.5.

depending on what the scene is about.

I have to tell ya the Cloth Room and Dyn Hair are not easy, high level of effort and often disappoints. 

Aww man the clothes room looked so fun though!!! darn well I guess I need to roll up my sleeves and put on my reading glasses!

Thank you!

Quote - Ok, when you say the Victorias, which ones?  Victoria 4, Victoria 5, or Victoria 6?  The reason I'm asking is Victoria 4 is an actual figure with mesh, textures, and whole basic shebang.  V5 and V6 are morph sets of other base figures.  If you don't have the base sets installed, the morphs won't do a darned thing.

Ok, from what you've stated, you downloaded and installed the free version of DS.  Did you down load the Genesis Starter Essentials and the Genesis 2 Female and Male Starter Essentials and install them as well?

Victoria 5 requires the Genesis Starter Essentials be installed as V5 is simply a morph for the Genesis figure.

Victoria 6 is requires the Genesis 2 Female(s) Starter Essentials be installed as V6 is simply a morph for the G2F figure.

V4 is stand alone base figure.

Now comes the fun parts.  V4 base, Genesis Starter and Genesis 2 Starter Essentials are base figures.  They have some basic expression morphs, and other things but if you want to be able to do anything more than posing in the default shape and making a few basic expressions you will have to invest in the morph sets for each figure.

V4 requires the Morphs++ package.  This has all the basic head, body and expression morphs. 

Genesis requires the Evolution head and body morphs.  The head and body morphs are sold indivually or in a bundle.  Genesis is a unimesh figure that can morph from child to male to female. 

Genesis 2 Female(s) requires the G2F head and body morphs.  Again, they are sold individually or in a bundle.  If you want to use the male, you have to buy the morphs for the male the same way.

If you purchased any of the Pro bundles for the Vicki's, you will need the morph sets to use the included characters as they are dial spin characters.

Clothing is another matter entirely.  Without know what clothing you purchased for what figure, I can't answer any questions.

Before I go any further, how much do you actually know about Poser, DAZ Studio and the different incarnations of Victoria?  I ask because there is a vast difference in some cases between what either app can do not to mention between the various versions of Vicki (sorry for the aliteration it wasn't intentional).

Hello there and thank you for the reply.

I bought victoria 4.2 with morphs and victoria 6. I bought clothes that were supposedly made for V 4 at least it said so in the description. The funny thing was they seemed to simply not work or they loaded only partially.

I am using DAZ 4.6 and I believe I have kept it updated and current using the download manager that comes with the software.

What puzzles me and what struck me was when I was shopping content it seemed that products for DAZ had a long list of reqs. But in regard to poser I would see the requirements were simply "poser X version and up." It led me to beleive that maybe incorporating purchased content into DAZ was harder and more difficult than with poser. But I may be mistaken on this, Am I?

Quote - I have been playing with 3D for close to 14 years, so a real new boy compared with some.  I started with Daz for a few years and moved to Poser when Poser 5 was around.  Since then I have moved through Poser 6, 7, 8, 2010, 2012 and now 2014 so I have been using it for some time.  For this reason I cannot really speak for the more recent versions of Daz Studio.  I did try version 3 and 4 but like some others it would either not load or was unstable on my machine.  In fairness I did not work very hard at getting it to work as, with Poser already running I had more fun rendering than trying to get software to work.

Having said all that, I would still recommend you try it Daz and see if it is for you, it is free afterall.  If you are new to 3D much of what you learn with Daz will not be wasted even if you do change programs as figures, poses and other aspects are much the same in both programs certainly if you do not include Genesis where the difference between Daz and Poser does begin to appear.

Finally, this is a great forum full of helpful people but, like me they have their own likes and dislikes, which may colour their judgement.  That is the reason that I gave some background so you can at least see where my bias may be for, despite efforts to be even handed, there will be some bias but I can only say it is not intentional.  Use the software you become happy with and have fun, I wish you luck

 

That's a great point DAZ is free and worth a bit of elbow grease to get to know. If there is a great advantage of simplicity for a novice like myself in poser that would be a tipping point but if not, yes free is always better!

Thanks a lot man!

Quote - > Quote - I have been playing with 3D for close to 14 years, so a real new boy compared with some.  I started with Daz for a few years and moved to Poser when Poser 5 was around.  Since then I have moved through Poser 6, 7, 8, 2010, 2012 and now 2014 so I have been using it for some time.  For this reason I cannot really speak for the more recent versions of Daz Studio.  I did try version 3 and 4 but like some others it would either not load or was unstable on my machine.  In fairness I did not work very hard at getting it to work as, with Poser already running I had more fun rendering than trying to get software to work.

Having said all that, I would still recommend you try it Daz and see if it is for you, it is free afterall.  If you are new to 3D much of what you learn with Daz will not be wasted even if you do change programs as figures, poses and other aspects are much the same in both programs certainly if you do not include Genesis where the difference between Daz and Poser does begin to appear.

Finally, this is a great forum full of helpful people but, like me they have their own likes and dislikes, which may colour their judgement.  That is the reason that I gave some background so you can at least see where my bias may be for, despite efforts to be even handed, there will be some bias but I can only say it is not intentional.  Use the software you become happy with and have fun, I wish you luck

 

This is very good advice. I would add that, even if you intend to use Poser, learning a little bit about Daz Studio isn't a bad idea as you may eventually be tempted to buy products which must be converted using that software. And if you have adopted a biased view of it, you might lose a lot of flexibility in content that you would otherwise have. DS is free. I think it's silly not to use it at all, unless you really can't get it work on your system.

OP, Male_M3dia didn't intend to be short with you. But you described what could be a very complex problem, without giving nearly enough information -- like going to a mechanic and saying, "Help. My car won't start. What's wrong with it? Should I buy a Mercedes instead?" S/he's going to need to know a lot more to be able to answer your questions. 

I didn't interpet his tone as being hostile. Perhaps a little impatient. But not hostile.

If you have problems with Daz Studio or Daz products, Male_M3dia is a very good source of information, and he probably knows a lot more about both of these topics than most of us who post in the Poser forum. 

Yeah I think I'll give DAZ a bit of try it is free after all!

I did interpret hostility sorry and I really don't like to expose myself to that, we can agree to disagree on that I suppose.

I do appreciate the advice I think DAZ seems like it worth a bit of time to explore since it is free and I don't really seem to be getting any real negative feedback on its performance. 

Thank you!

Easier does not always mean better. 

DS and Poser are two different pieces of software with different functionality. Which features are easier or better is completely subjective and varies from one user to the next, so no one can give you a valid opinion as to which is which. You have to try them for yourself and learn each one in order to determine which suits your needs/wants most acurately. 

Most users here use Poser, because this is the Poser forum and it has been around a long time (Poser is older than DS by several years), so opinions here are usually going to be slanted towards favoring Poser. Some of them use both, and some only use DS but lurk in the Poser forum waiting to jump on threads (like this one) that are known to start arguments. 

Use what you want to use and ask questions that are relative to the forum that you're visiting. In this case, Poser. 

Questions such as "is this Poser feature better/worse than that DS feature" are almost always going to cause an argument because no two people have the same opinion. 

Bottom line, if you want to use DAZ figures in Poser without a lot of hassle, (and the content made for them), then you will need to focus on the Generation 4 figures and previous, and make sure any content you buy for them is clearly marked by the creating artist that it works in whatever version of Poser you are intending to use. Not all Gen4 content will work natively in Poser, but most will, especially Gen4 content purchased here. Some of it is only made for DS tho, so you have you be careful and read all the product requirements. 

The Gen4 figures are also the most widely supported figures available for either software, so that is one bonus to using them. 

Any content you buy for Genesis or Generation 5+ DAZ figures, will require using DSON, which is a utility that makes Genesis-related content work in Poser. 

~Shane

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I have been playing with 3D for close to 14 years, so a real new boy compared with some.  I started with Daz for a few years and moved to Poser when Poser 5 was around.  Since then I have moved through Poser 6, 7, 8, 2010, 2012 and now 2014 so I have been using it for some time.  For this reason I cannot really speak for the more recent versions of Daz Studio.  I did try version 3 and 4 but like some others it would either not load or was unstable on my machine.  In fairness I did not work very hard at getting it to work as, with Poser already running I had more fun rendering than trying to get software to work.

Having said all that, I would still recommend you try it Daz and see if it is for you, it is free afterall.  If you are new to 3D much of what you learn with Daz will not be wasted even if you do change programs as figures, poses and other aspects are much the same in both programs certainly if you do not include Genesis where the difference between Daz and Poser does begin to appear.

Finally, this is a great forum full of helpful people but, like me they have their own likes and dislikes, which may colour their judgement.  That is the reason that I gave some background so you can at least see where my bias may be for, despite efforts to be even handed, there will be some bias but I can only say it is not intentional.  Use the software you become happy with and have fun, I wish you luck

 

This is very good advice. I would add that, even if you intend to use Poser, learning a little bit about Daz Studio isn't a bad idea as you may eventually be tempted to buy products which must be converted using that software. And if you have adopted a biased view of it, you might lose a lot of flexibility in content that you would otherwise have. DS is free. I think it's silly not to use it at all, unless you really can't get it work on your system.

OP, Male_M3dia didn't intend to be short with you. But you described what could be a very complex problem, without giving nearly enough information -- like going to a mechanic and saying, "Help. My car won't start. What's wrong with it? Should I buy a Mercedes instead?" S/he's going to need to know a lot more to be able to answer your questions. 

I didn't interpet his tone as being hostile. Perhaps a little impatient. But not hostile.

If you have problems with Daz Studio or Daz products, Male_M3dia is a very good source of information, and he probably knows a lot more about both of these topics than most of us who post in the Poser forum. 

Yeah I think I'll give DAZ a bit of try it is free after all!

I did interpret hostility sorry and I really don't like to expose myself to that, we can agree to disagree on that I suppose.

I do appreciate the advice I think DAZ seems like it worth a bit of time to explore since it is free and I don't really seem to be getting any real negative feedback on its performance. 

 Thank you!

Well, this forum has a long, long history of flaming wars between the proponents of each type of software. You wouldn't know about that, but in that context, it's made a lot of us jumpy whenever someone brings up a topic (even unintentionally) in which that war could be re-ignited.

Daz is worth trying out. I prefer to use Poser myself because it does have some features (like the cloth room and the firefly renderer) that I find make it better for me. But the benefit of those features aren't going to become apparent until you've gained some skill with the software. And that takes a lot longer than most would expect. There are people who have been using Poser for years who won't touch the cloth room, for example. 

To be fair, Daz Studio isn't all that simple, either. It's work to get it to produce results. Hence the enormous numbers of tutorials on YouTube and elsewhere.

RE: Content

Most Poser users (around here, anyway) use some Daz content because there's a million times more of it.  So there's no "Poser is easier" in that regard. In fact, quite the opposite -- because not all Daz content can be used in Poser. And depending on the technology required, some work easily, some work with a little fiddling, some require additional plugins, and some just don't work at all no matter what you do.

Moreover, not all of the older Poser content works all that well. 

Both types of software require taking a very close look at what you're buying, what the prerequisites are, and so on.

My advice is to go to the Daz forums and list the products you bought, and ask if any of them require additional content to work. If they do, you can either buy that additional content, or ask Daz for a refund. They are, as far as I know, the only company that offers 30 day refunds (or any refunds).

If you go to the Daz site and search the marketplace for "tutorials", you will find some very nice bundles at low prices (like $5), and they may serve you better for right now because the tutorials will be using the content bundled with them.

Now about the EULAs.

Almost all paid content providers permit unlimited royalty free commercial distribution of your 2D (flat) renders. If you take a texture and put it on a square and render that, so that the texture (which is also the creator's IP) can be easily used if you distribute the render, THAT is not permitted. People make money on textures, so you can't give them away. But making 2D art from the 3d models and commerically distributing the art is fine.

The only common exceptions are freebies that only permit non-commerical use, and some products which use the IP of another company (fan items, such as Star Wars or trademarked items, and some celebrity look-alikes) may stipulate non-commercial use as well.

Quote - Easier does not always mean better. 

DS and Poser are two different pieces of software with different functionality. Which features are easier or better is completely subjective and varies from one user to the next, so no one can give you a valid opinion as to which is which. You have to try them for yourself and learn each one in order to determine which suits your needs/wants most acurately. 

Most users here use Poser, because this is the Poser forum and it has been around a long time (Poser is older than DS by several years), so opinions here are usually going to be slanted towards favoring Poser. Some of them use both, and some only use DS but lurk in the Poser forum waiting to jump on threads (like this one) that are known to start arguments. 

Use what you want to use and ask questions that are relative to the forum that you're visiting. In this case, Poser. 

Questions such as "is this Poser feature better/worse than that DS feature" are almost always going to cause an argument because no two people have the same opinion. 

Bottom line, if you want to use DAZ figures in Poser without a lot of hassle, (and the content made for them), then you will need to focus on the Generation 4 figures and previous, and make sure any content you buy for them is clearly marked by the creating artist that it works in whatever version of Poser you are intending to use. Not all Gen4 content will work natively in Poser, but most will, especially Gen4 content purchased here. Some of it is only made for DS tho, so you have you be careful and read all the product requirements. 

The Gen4 figures are also the most widely supported figures available for either software, so that is one bonus to using them. 

Any content you buy for Genesis or Generation 5+ DAZ figures, will require using DSON, which is a utility that makes Genesis-related content work in Poser. 

 

~Shane

Excellent thanks a lot! I appreciate the feedback. Yeah I guess I could not find the forum that was not product specific.  I am a bit emnaored with the Poser pro 2014 the videos looks amazing, but then again I am neophyte with no real context so I may just be getting suckered by good advertising. 

But one thing keeps coming back and is a valid point DAZ is totally free! and if poser if not markedly easier to understand maybe the cost isn't justified.

Quote -  

Excellent thanks a lot! I appreciate the feedback. Yeah I guess I could not find the forum that was not product specific.  I am a bit emnaored with the Poser pro 2014 the videos looks amazing, but then again I am neophyte with no real context so I may just be getting suckered by good advertising. 

But one thing keeps coming back and is a valid point DAZ is totally free! and if poser if not markedly easier to understand maybe the cost isn't justified.

Well, we're all Poser users here -- almost all of us, anyway -- so we obviously do feel that the cost is justified. It just doesn't usually justify itself right away. :)

But again, there's no "this app" or "that app". Many of us use both, and get the best of both worlds. Since one is free, starting with that seems like a good idea until you've found your feet and have a better understanding of how 3D content works. Then your decision to buy Poser -- if you do decide to do so -- will be an informed one.

Looking back on my first steps with 3D art I know that there is a great learning curve, 14 years and I am still learning and compared with many I have only scratched the surface. I remember when I started I was too scared to use a forum (took me five years I think) and I was not sure what a figure was or much about this couple called Victoria and Mike. 

I am not trying to put you off but just trying to be realistic in that neither Daz studio or Poser are going to be a walk in the park.  It is one of the reasons that I have tended to stick with Poser in that, with so much to learn, it is easier for me to concentrate on one program.  Others learn quicker so they will take a different approach.

When Poser items are marked they work with 'X' version of Poser it just means they will work in those programs but there may be a variation in the result.  For example a feature called Sub Surface Scattering (SSS) was only introduced in the latest few versions of Poser.  Some vendors make their products to work with and without SSS but a render from Poser 6 will not look the same as Poser 2014 but the item will 'work' in both.  This makes them backwards compatible an increases the possible number of buyers.  There are also many changes in lighting in different Poser versions which will change how products look.

The problem you have with clothes may just be something called 'poke through' were the skin of the human figure pokes through the clothing.  In many ways it is a fact of life with 3D and usually easy to fix.  I say may because, as Male_M3dia has stated, there is not enough information to define what the problem is. 

Don't get me wrong here I am not complaining about the lack of information, as an ex-trainer I know it is easy to say "you only have to ask" but you do need to know something about the subject to even ask.  So fire away with your questions, observations and queries and everyone here, well almpost everyone, will do what the can to give you enoguh options for you to pick a solution from.

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But one thing keeps coming back and is a valid point DAZ is totally free! and if poser if not markedly easier to understand maybe the cost isn't justified.

You can get Poser 9 right now at Amazon for $39.99 if you have Prime.  Then if you decided you like Poser, upgrading to 10 would only be $77, & sidegrading to 2014 would be $300 - Upgrade Poser

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But one thing keeps coming back and is a valid point DAZ is totally free! and if poser if not markedly easier to understand maybe the cost isn't justified.

You can get Poser 9 right now at Amazon for $39.99 if you have Prime.  Then if you decided you like Poser, upgrading to 10 would only be $77, & sidegrading to 2014 would be $300 - Upgrade Poser

True. You don't necessarily have to buy the latest and greatest version of Poser. Even Poser 9, as mentioned above, will get you going, and contribute to serious upgrade discounts.

The disadvantage of Daz Studio is, IMO, that it does not come with enough content itself that you can really learn how to use it. I believe that you will HAVE to buy more stuff in order to gain the skills you need to get the most out of it.

Poser, on the other hand, comes with a LOT of legacy content. Enough that you can burrow through it and learn the software without buying another single piece of content. You may not be happy with the renders you make because you don't have the right stuff to fulfil your vision. But there's plenty there for educational purposes.

However, if you've already fallen in love with how Victoria looks and all the amazing variety of content available at the various marketplaces, you may find yourself wanting to rush and buy first, and learn second. 

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The disadvantage of Daz Studio is, IMO, that it does not come with enough content itself that you can really learn how to use it. I believe that you will HAVE to buy more stuff in order to gain the skills you need to get the most out of it.

 

If you do a search for 'interactive tutorials' there are 3 free tutorials with content on how to put together a particular scene and contains some recent content from both the M6 and V6 bundles. 

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i use DS4 and PP12 equally these days. and to make it more confusing Carrara8.5.

depending on what the scene is about.

I have to tell ya the Cloth Room and Dyn Hair are not easy, high level of effort and often disappoints. 

Aww man the clothes room looked so fun though!!! darn well I guess I need to roll up my sleeves and put on my reading glasses!

 

Thank you!

here's a couple links to SM video tutts about the cloth room  

Poser - Cloth Room 101: Introduction
Poser - Cloth Room 201: Cloth Simulation Dials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3OZG_iuV8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lvQuSwFUjQ

and some freebie dynamic clothes
http://www.optitex-dynamiccloth.com/FreebiePoser01.php  -poser
http://www.optitex-dynamiccloth.com/FreebieDownload01.php  -daz

cheers

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The disadvantage of Daz Studio is, IMO, that it does not come with enough content itself that you can really learn how to use it. I believe that you will HAVE to buy more stuff in order to gain the skills you need to get the most out of it.

 

If you do a search for 'interactive tutorials' there are 3 free tutorials with content on how to put together a particular scene and contains some recent content from both the M6 and V6 bundles. 

I didn't see the free ones! But I did point out the very low priced ones (which I also bought myself) in an earlier reply.

Edit: Alas, they are not free. Slaying the Dragon is still $3, but the others are $50 each. :(

They should be free. I'm logged out and see them as 100% off (I already have them in my account so I know i'm not logged in if they show 'add to cart')

I just picked them up for 100% off.  Thanks so much for pointing them out!

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DS and Poser are two different pieces of software with different functionality. Which features are easier or better is completely subjective and varies from one user to the next, so no one can give you a valid opinion as to which is which. You have to try them for yourself and learn each one in order to determine which suits your needs/wants most acurately. 

~Shane

Eggsactly!

Doric.

Can you tell us what clothing you purchased and what is happening when you are loading it?

There can be any number of reasons including a common issue.  You may have purchased a texture set for an item you either don't own or don't have loaded.

If the clothing is designed for V4, it should work in DS with no problems.  The current version of DS has full legacy capabilities. 

Without knowing what the product is and what is happening, we are kind of shooting in the dark when it comes to giving assistance. 

A word of advice.  Don't get into the app debate.  As soon as a thread descends into the this app has this and this one doesn't or this one is free and this one isn't, the thread will end up locked. 

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The requirements are basically the same for either.  Clothing is normally specified for a certain figure, which means that figure only.  Poser has the fitting room, daz has their parallel to that.  Which works better, I can't say.  The poser versions called for sometimes aren't really requirements, but suggested.  The free items I have up are now "poserized" in PP2014, but other than materials, they would probably work okay with that exception in P5 and up.  Both poser and ds items may specify "Morphs ++", sometimes "elite" required, but those are to get that figure as designed.  Items for the gene things, probably won't work outside of ds 4.x.x.x very well, I don't know.  Items for a weight mapped figure in poser more than likely will be problematical for the standard figure, and the other way around applies.  I use mostly dynamic clothing, so that isn't such a big problem for me, others may disagree.

Doric.

Thanks all !

So much feedback and help!

I am walking out the door at the moment and will get back to you guys on my item list ASAP!

Thanks a lot everyone!

Quote - They should be free. I'm logged out and see them as 100% off (I already have them in my account so I know i'm not logged in if they show 'add to cart')

Ah, they are free when I'm logged out, and 49.95 when I'm logged in. Except for Slaying the Dragon, which is $3.

Perhaps they are showing at regular cost because I already bought them. In which case, I need to get a refund. :) Thanks for letting me know.