Dawn's consort, Dusk, is now available at Hivewire. He looks pretty good!

Well, I'll need an East Asian character set for Dusk - textures for a start.

For what it's worth - here's my take on the new chap.

he's not bad. 

Did you have problems with his materials? I had to load each one manually and rebuild the shaders. Maybe I installed it wrong. Not sure how that might have happened tho. 

he's not bad. 

Did you have problems with his materials? I had to load each one manually and rebuild the shaders. Maybe I installed it wrong. Not sure how that might have happened tho. 

I had no problems with his materials at all Shane, they loaded by just double clicking on the materials files.

I'd like to see some face morphs, but it's nice to have another weight mapped male available.

Cool. I think I'll make some stuff for him. 

He does look good. It will be nice to see a new face in the Poserverse!

I have been working doing conversions :D  here is my vulcan

converted hair, converted texture, converte clothes

Bill

Very nice, Willy.  Especially the face!

 LOL, a man in urgent need of a bikini. LOL.

 LOL, a man in urgent need of a bikini. LOL.

Rich from someone who thinks the answer to every rigging question is saggy, granny boobs.

" LOL, a man in urgent need of a bikini. LOL.

Rich from someone who thinks the answer to every rigging question is saggy, granny boobs."That was so cold.

" LOL, a man in urgent need of a bikini. LOL.

Rich from someone who thinks the answer to every rigging question is saggy, granny boobs."That was so cold.

Perhaps, but it's that kind of garbage that starts the cascade into a negative thread. I have my own personal feelings about Dusk and, yet, found it necessary to withhold them because 1) they just don't matter to the rest of the world, and 2) the developers ARE entitled to just ONE damned thread that stays positive, aren't they?

Just 24 hours of NOT bashing a new figure so we don't discourage others from creating them?

 It might just be me, but the default version of Dusk that Hivewire has in their promo render remind me of Dean Winchester,from the tv show Supernatural.

 Hey, I said it with a LOL, twice..... It was meant to be funny.

And it was the transparent shirt that made me think about it.. LOL.

Every new figure is more then welcome.

Here's Jared Padeliki, the actor who plays Dean Winchester.

 and here's Dusk.

Notice any similarities?

 Hey, that is pretty close. Nice.

Only thing similar is the texture. In terms of facial structure it is not the same.

"I had no problems with his materials at all Shane, they loaded by just double clicking on the materials files."

Ok. That didn't work for me. I had to go in and load each texture manually. Just double-clicking on all of them turns his whole body gray for me. 

And yeah, I don't see the resemblance to Jared/Dean either. 

I think I'm gonna try doing some more masculine morphs for him, and work on the chest. 

I see a striking resemblance. And Vilters was obviously joking with the bikini comment, not making a stab. If anything, if I were a developer, I'd take it as a compliment since it suggests that Dusk needs clothing that can show off his bending capabilities. Besides, I agree. Male bikinis are always in short supply. :D :D

And G3D, if Vilter's figures have "granny boobs", I hope you never date any women over 30 who haven't had surgery because you'll be sorely disappointed. :D

I think I'm gonna try doing some more masculine morphs for him, and work on the chest. 

More morphs -- always welcome and much desired. 

I see a striking resemblance. And Vilters was obviously joking with the bikini comment, not making a stab. If anything, if I were a developer, I'd take it as a compliment since it suggests that Dusk needs clothing that can show off his bending capabilities. Besides, I agree. Male bikinis are always in short supply. :D :D

And G3D, if Vilter's figures have "granny boobs", I hope you never date any women over 30 who haven't had surgery because you'll be sorely disappointed. :D

ROFL Since I'm 1) a woman well over 50, I do think I'm intimately familiar with granny boobs, and 2) never plan to date a woman.

But, have fun making up facts.

I see a striking resemblance. And Vilters was obviously joking with the bikini comment, not making a stab. If anything, if I were a developer, I'd take it as a compliment since it suggests that Dusk needs clothing that can show off his bending capabilities. Besides, I agree. Male bikinis are always in short supply. :D :D

And G3D, if Vilter's figures have "granny boobs", I hope you never date any women over 30 who haven't had surgery because you'll be sorely disappointed. :D

ROFL Since I'm 1) a woman well over 50, I do think I'm intimately familiar with granny boobs, and 2) never plan to date a woman.

But, have fun making up facts.

Well, you're a unique kind of woman, then. I've never come across a straight chic who was so particular about breast shape, but there's always a first time for everything. I stand corrected on your demographics. But I still don't see a problem with Vilter's comment. Perhaps you can explain why it is so offensive in a PM. Edit: I also take exception to the idea that any breasts that don't point at the ceiling are also "granny boobs". There is something between 17 year old perk and 70 year old sag, and you kinda insulted it, in a manner that I usually only associate with teenage boys. :D

I see a striking resemblance. And Vilters was obviously joking with the bikini comment, not making a stab. If anything, if I were a developer, I'd take it as a compliment since it suggests that Dusk needs clothing that can show off his bending capabilities. Besides, I agree. Male bikinis are always in short supply. :D :D

And G3D, if Vilter's figures have "granny boobs", I hope you never date any women over 30 who haven't had surgery because you'll be sorely disappointed. :D

ROFL Since I'm 1) a woman well over 50, I do think I'm intimately familiar with granny boobs, and 2) never plan to date a woman.

But, have fun making up facts.

Well, you're a unique kind of woman, then. I've never come across a straight chic who was so particular about breast shape, but there's always a first time for everything. I stand corrected on your demographics. But I still don't see a problem with Vilter's comment. Perhaps you can explain why it is so offensive in a PM. Edit: I also take exception to the idea that any breasts that don't point at the ceiling are also "granny boobs". There is something between 17 year old perk and 70 year old sag, and you kinda insulted it, in a manner that I usually only associate with teenage boys. :D

LOL, OK.  Whatever. Hey, so what do you think of Dusk?

I have been working doing conversions :D  here is my vulcan

converted hair, converted texture, converte clothes

Bill

I really like this. Vulcans are my fave.

Always good to see other figures, but just as with Michael, Dusk looks effeminate to me.  I have no doubt he's a good mesh considering who's behind him, and I get the whole Dawn/Dusk thing, I think it's a neat idea but his name is doing him no favours considering he's supposed to be a bloke.  Anyway, I'm not in the least bit surprised at Tony's comment, but damn, I didn't even know he had a sense of humour until I saw that comment!

:-D

Me?
Humor?
Stand by. . .  one, three, two, five, four, niner, zeven, six, eight,

Well, I got my math in the military, and they never go above 2.
it is "one", "two", or "many" there.

Left-right, left-right, left-right, left-right. See? There is no third.....

Let me ask the mirror.
Mirror broke.

End of humor for 2014.

I see a striking resemblance. And Vilters was obviously joking with the bikini comment, not making a stab. If anything, if I were a developer, I'd take it as a compliment since it suggests that Dusk needs clothing that can show off his bending capabilities. Besides, I agree. Male bikinis are always in short supply. :D :D

And G3D, if Vilter's figures have "granny boobs", I hope you never date any women over 30 who haven't had surgery because you'll be sorely disappointed. :D

ROFL Since I'm 1) a woman well over 50, I do think I'm intimately familiar with granny boobs, and 2) never plan to date a woman.

But, have fun making up facts.

Well, you're a unique kind of woman, then. I've never come across a straight chic who was so particular about breast shape, but there's always a first time for everything. I stand corrected on your demographics. But I still don't see a problem with Vilter's comment. Perhaps you can explain why it is so offensive in a PM. Edit: I also take exception to the idea that any breasts that don't point at the ceiling are also "granny boobs". There is something between 17 year old perk and 70 year old sag, and you kinda insulted it, in a manner that I usually only associate with teenage boys. :D

LOL, OK.  Whatever. Hey, so what do you think of Dusk?

After a bit of thought, I appreciate your taking my comment as seriously as it deserved (which was not very much -- I'm not being sarcastic when I say that). :) As for Dusk, I think we need as many male figures and as much male content as we can get, so any new figures are welcome. To me, he looks pretty enough to satisfy those that prefer that sort of thing, and I'm confident the mesh will support some more down-to-earth types for those who prefer that. After all, a fantastic horse, with great expressions, came out of that mesh, so he should be very versatile.... IF he's supported by those with the skill to make it happen.

As with all figures, I'm sure he has his flaws, which the community will no doubt discover and describe. Hopefully, content creators won't take that as a sign that nobody likes him and others won't get offended, but will take it as a challenge to make him as perfect as he can be.

@Vilters
Don't you go losing it again, not when you're on the brink of hanging on to it :-D
And don't forget, 2015 is over a week away yet, so it's just mean to kill the humour until then!

I see a striking resemblance. And Vilters was obviously joking with the bikini comment, not making a stab. If anything, if I were a developer, I'd take it as a compliment since it suggests that Dusk needs clothing that can show off his bending capabilities. Besides, I agree. Male bikinis are always in short supply. :D :D

I hope you never date any women over 30 who haven't had surgery because you'll be sorely disappointed. :D

My brother's girlfriend is 42, has raised two kids, and hers are far from saggy, and very much all natural. Just sayin. As for him lookin like Dean Winchester, eh, not really. His jaw is too wide, his eyes are too small and high, and the nose is completely off. Maybe there is a slight resemblance but very slight. Dean/Jensen (not Jared - that's Sam),  has a much more masculine face.

In regards to the effeminate look, I agree. I think its the eyes - too elf-like, and the very full lips. But he's based on Dawn, so... I guess morphs can fix all that. The main thing I don't like is the chest - very unnatural looking and too much like a ken doll. This is a problem with G2M too tho, and it's due to having too much geometry in the pecks, and having to flatten it out to make pecs. Males don't need as much geometry there as females, and it's (one of the reasons) why I dislike the concept of having one mesh for both genders. The meshes can be similar, but they shouldn't be exact. They can still share the same maps and not have the exact same geometry. 

Anyway, I like him better than Dawn. I can make his face more rugged and try to work on his chest. Would have been nice if he came with some basic expression morphs cause I hate creating those. But can't complain about free. 

Well, everyone knows someone who hit the genetic jackpot. But the great-great uncle who smoked two packs and drank a fifth of whiskey a day, and lived to be 102 doesn't mean it's a common phenomenon. :D It's also the downside, I guess, of enjoying DD cups in one's youth -- but I wouldn't know from personal experience. I won't ask how you know about your brother's girlfriend. That would be like whatever the question version of TMI is called. But I guess if she frequently goes bra-less. (There's some solid research to suggest that, contrary to popular belief, going bra-less as much as possible helps to strength the connective tissues that hold up the breasts. Tapping the tips of the fingers and fingernails makes the nails grow faster, running on concrete makes the leg and hip bones denser, so it wouldn't surprise me to find that a lot of micro traumas --- from small amounts of jiggle -- make the breast firmer. That's my reasoning, any way. :) )

I think I may have suggested this in another post ages ago, but I think a lot of male characters appear effeminate because their eyebrows are too neat (the consequence of using professional models as texture resources). Make those brows a bit more scraggly, and make the eyelashes thinner, and Dusk will magically look a lot more macho.

The ken doll thing. Shouldn't be hard to improve. Hard to make perfect, of course, which is what you'll do if you get started, so I look forward to it, It may be exacerbated, though, by the texture. Up the bump, or add a nice procedural bump in EZSkin, and it'll help a lot.

But I guess I should stop flapping my gums and actually put some of this unsolicited advice to the test. See if it actually works.  :)

Here is where I morph in and say "Jared plays Sam. That's Jensen Ackles that plays Dean."

/neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd

 Running on concrete gives you shin splints.

Oh yeah, trust me, concrete is -not- your friend when it comes to your lower body.  34 years on said material is why I now have an artificial right knee, and the left on is just coasting on Synvisk (r); when that stops working, then it goes bye bye as well. It justified my medical retirement from my store, as I can't do the jobs I used to do before all that fell apart. The best is barefoot over ground; you learn to =not= slam down on your heels, which keeps body weight+gravitational acceleration+ angular velocity from inflicting forces well in excess of 1,000 psi on your joints every time you step.

And on topic, I got a buncha Dusk stuff to play with. Unfortunately, it looks as if we are still in the Barbie and Ken mindset with regards to proper genitalia. On the plus side, I still have all the package enhancements rotica has had, so we'll be seeing about grafting Satanica's M3 gens onto this thingless thing.

Running on asphalt also gives you shin splints. So does running on a track. And on a treadmill. [Edit to add:] I believe that what matters is 1. how you run 2. how long you've been running 3. how much you run per week 4. whether you got lucky in the gene department. People have been running on hard packed clay, over rocks, on granite, and on stone roads -- with barefeet, or wearing sandals, for a very long time. I've never slammed my heels down, ever, though the lovely Aesics I bought when I first started running certainly did make me want to, but I still got shin splints. When I switched to soft trails exclusively, they got much worse. Go figure. Find 5 sport medicine specialists and you find 5 different opinions of what causes shin splints. All we know is that it's the inflammation of the fascia surrounding the tibia. Ballet dancers get it quite frequently, even though they're on wood most of the time, and very often on their toes. I believe it's more to do with structural instability in the hip causing too great a movement in the ankle joint than the surface you choose to train on. Flexibility in the joints is not always a good thing for a runner, and it's far too easy to overdo the "stretching". But that's just me. I may well be totally off the mark.

Anyway, Dusk. I fully intend to render him in all his glory as soon as this epic-long IDL plus atmosphere render gets finished. I may even actually install that copy of Blacksmith3D I have had sitting on my harddrive for months. Might be fun learning it with Dusk.

"I had no problems with his materials at all Shane, they loaded by just double clicking on the materials files."

Ok. That didn't work for me. I had to go in and load each texture manually. Just double-clicking on all of them turns his whole body gray for me. 

And yeah, I don't see the resemblance to Jared/Dean either. 

I think I'm gonna try doing some more masculine morphs for him, and work on the chest. 

   claps with glee :D

Makes me think of Lance Bass from N Sync.

So, Dusk. Played with him a bit.

The free base already has some chest morphs that can alter the shape quite a bit. I just dialed his chest flat, and then dialed in large (plus a bit of huge -- because nice pecs are... nice pecs), and that a big difference.

He also has bump maps, but they don't load by default.

I think his eyelashes are a bit thick by default, so I just changed the gamma to 2.2 on the transmap. :)

He could use some body hair. And some nipples.

He has very good pose controls, and the addition of another neck part, together with the pelvis, make a very nice change. All in all, so far, I think he's a pretty darned good figure.

Oh, and the base does come with basic expressions, as I learned when he figured out that he was missing more than just nipples.

However, there is a morph to get rid of the default crotch bulge. I wondered why. But I guess it's so you can add gens. The M4 gens actually don't fit too badly. Need a bit of fiddling with in most poses, but as long as you're not doing animation or close-ups, they're probably okay. And if you are doing animation/close-ups, you'll want some more specialized equipment anyway. :) If Texture Converter will support M4 to Dusk, then the textures could match as well.

Moriador, his chest looks better in your render. Abs are a bit of a problem in both Dawn and Dusk. Glad he has a package of some kind. I prefer one that's visible with cloths on. For some reason the "Brothers" textures and morphs,  also on sale, look a bit less effeminate. Rodney and Leroy though, lol? I choose to laugh. Good to see expressions built in and there are a number of morphs packs also available at release. That should make some people happy. I can see that a lot of hard work went into this and fully expect the community to fill in what's missing. Merry Christmas indeed.

Here is one with my own texture on him.

Moriador, his chest looks better in your render. Abs are a bit of a problem in both Dawn and Dusk. Glad he has a package of some kind. I prefer one that's visible with cloths on. For some reason the "Brothers" textures and morphs,  also on sale, look a bit less effeminate. Rodney and Leroy though, lol? I choose to laugh. Good to see expressions built in and there are a number of morphs packs also available at release. That should make some people happy. I can see that a lot of hard work went into this and fully expect the community to fill in what's missing. Merry Christmas indeed.

I believe the base Dusk may have a couple of morphs to smooth/define the abs, though I can't remember whether that was before or after I tried injecting Dawn's starter morphs. They inject and even work -- but it seemed to have caused a bug that creates unremovable IK on the feet, so I don't think they were designed to be used on him. LOL. Just had a glimpse at the Brothers. The names do not fit the faces at all. :D One of them looks more east Indian to me than the names would suggest, but there's no reason a pair of mixed race brothers couldn't each favor one parent more than the other. Leroy seems way out of fashion to me. LOL. I'd probably want to rename him Larent or Laurence, since I really like the French inspired names Americans are fond of. In any case, they do look more masculine. The eyes particularly. A bit of a squint and different textures seems to take away that soft default adolescent "innocent" look. Maybe the darker skin helps to show a bit more muscular definition. Dusk does have built in expressions (well, you have to inject the base morphs), but it's a shame that the "parts" aren't really separated. As in, you can make an "angry" face, but the eye morphs for it aren't separate. There are a few separate mouth morphs, however. So it's a decent start. And anyone just testing the free base can at least make a render that doesn't have a totally expressionless look. So, yeah, he's good. A good, weight-mapped male. I do hope the community supports him. (And that the community also supports the vendors who do). AetherDream -- Nice! A real dreamy ginger! 

"AetherDream -- Nice! A real dreamy ginger! "

Thanks. I kind of have a fondness for red-head men. I've sort of been in love with Damien Lewis since Band of Brothers and Erik Stoltz since The Prophecy, LOL!

Hey there. A friend of mine sent me the link to this thread. Hope you don't mind me dipping in here. Also hope the Rendo folks don't boot me out. Don't believe I've ever posted anything here at Rendo.

Thanks for not crapping all over Dusk. It's nice to know that folks seem to like what I've modeled overall. Glad someone found the chest morphs. He does have a bunch of Expressions that I made in another "pay for" pack.

We have a small team that developed Dusk. I did the modeling and morphing, and Paul Lessard did all the rig work, conversion and packing up. We're very happy with the maps that Virtual World has made and we're glad to make them available as a merchant resource.

Obviously we're hopeful that this base is strong enough so that others perceive the value of further creation for him. We feel options are always a good thing.

If I can figure out how to post a few images of some morphs I'm making for a Creature Head pack for Dusk and Dawn, then I'll try to post them. Not really sure of protocol here and if I'm allowed to do that.

Awesome.

Yep, there is quite a resemblance to Jared in his default state.

Yep, there is quite a resemblance to Jared in his default state.

Yeah, I got the name wrong. It's the other one he looks like, Jensen Ackles, who plays Dean Winchester. Although it would be totally cool if someone could make a morph for Jared Padaliki.

@Chris -- Oh, no! pulls out crucifix and clutches it fearfully ;) Seriously, though... Of course, you should be welcome here, as long as you realize that the grumps and grinches (and I used to be one myself) are here as well. Pay 'em no mind. Most of us, I think, are glad too see Dusk has arrived before Christmas. At least I am. :)

Really like the creature morphs. Demonstrates that there's plenty of versatility to the mesh. I hope vendors who specialize in custom Z-brush morphs consider making some really unique faces for him as well. 

I'm pretty sure you're allowed to post images of your WIPs, just not advertising banners or actual direct links. But not being a moderator, I can't be sure of the actual rules. (I guess I could read the TOS. LOL.)

Well, got him and sent him to Marvelous Designer to have a shirt fitted.

He renders fine in Poser Pro2014 but somehow preview is horrible:

This is the only figure I experience this with. This is in default light.

Am I doing something wrong?

Yeah, had that too. But it will render correctley.

And while we're there some decent cloting. Hey he needs to be presentable when he goes to work on the 5th. so he needs something fit for business.  Good we have some time until then. This bloke is a bit off-size (2.05 m no less in proper Poser scaling) so we need to do some fitting.

The pants were a breeze: 

Shirt is a bit more work but goes along well: