Sorry to hear you ended up dumping Dawn. She's gone thru 2 service updates now and has much more to offer, even with what is free as the Dawn SR2 base. Updates on her hip bends also with added JCM work. Having modeled her and created the morphs, I say she has much to offer.    As for the Dusk morphs I believe I'd have no trouble creating a drunken 40 something type of look, but then that is so subjective isn't it?                                                                                                                                          

Hi Doric, We have the additional morphs ready on release...The starter morph set has 87 partial head morphs and 40 custom body morphs. We also have the head shapes and body shapes morph sets, which add 33 head morphs and 52 body morphs. Lastly we have the Expression & Visemes morph pack for a full range of emotions for Dusk. We look forward to seeing additional morphs/ characters both at HiveWire 3D and here at Renderosity

I'll have a look, no guarantee.  What I'm looking for is one character to be a fortyish drunken kraut.  (I happen to be that drunken kraut's son.)  Not happy with anything I've tried yet.  Again, no guarantee I'll do more than look.  Got Dawn, with the intro pack, dumped it all within two weeks.  Once burned, twice learned. Edit: I know probably nobody is going to, but there is a real lack of characters, male and female, between about 12 years and 19.  I've been modifying Kate 2, but there isn't a lot of mesh to work with, and her legs bend horribly.  But, "kid figures don't sell", maybe they would if they were worth anything.

Doric

What do ya think? "Fortyish drunken kraut"?

Get rid of the smile, drunken krauts have a twisted, sneer, not even a hint of smile.  Squint, eyes that won't stay open, germanic mouths are different, set back a little flatter.  Noses are less curved, habitual drinkers, bulbous noses.  Dad got drunk, he got mean.  Then Mom and myself took his drunken frustration.  You got it, not a lot of love there, I doubt if there ever was. 

Doric, with the silent I.

This is just my opinion mind you, but with laws regarding child pornography being the way they are, people can get into trouble for the most innocent of things regarding children. So no one want to mess with them or make them too realistic. I like Kate 2 myself, and I've made several sets of clothes for her as freebies. I wish SM would make her weightmapped, but most likely that's not going to happen and unfortunately, I not good enough to attempt doing it myself.

Katie's face and hair are so close to a girl I knew when we lived in a small lake community that it's almost scary.  Her shape, maybe the girl had a little wider hips, maybe.  Got everything you made for her, and everything PW has for her.  The clothes at PW seem almost as they would have worn 60 years ago, when we lived in the same area.  But bend her legs, that's where things fall apart, and I'm sorry, girls bend just as far as boys do.  And just as often.  I've been working on Katie since 2014 came out, no joy.  Top, okay, I can make her older, but I'm going to clothe her anyhow, doesn't have to be perfect.  Put her in a swim suit, crotch crinkles if you bend her more than about 25 degrees.  Even the poses included with Poser, so they had to be aware of it.  And even back in the day, girls seldom wore dresses in the summer.  Tops,shorts, usually one piece swim suits if they lived near a lake.   Things don't change much, it's all changed, and still pretty much the same. Doric.

You could try to collapse her joints into a weightmap. That might help with the bending.

You could try to collapse her joints into a weightmap. That might help with the bending.

Dunno. I say I'm going to give up a lot, but within a short time, I'm back to it again. Doric.

Think you need to age the face a bit more. Doesn't seem to match up with the age you're shooting for to me. 

I assumed there was and "older" dial, so didn't mention it.  A habitual drunk will have an appearance around ten years older than he/she is after a period of time, ten or fifteen years maybe.  Those that haven't been on the bottle too long will get a ruddy color, but after a while, that fades to almost normal when drunk, more gray when sober.  A drunk isn't easy to model, there's a lot more that too many would recognize, those that have been inflicted with having to be around one.  And a lot is something you can't put into a pose, it's called attitude.  That usually boils down to "What are you ragging on me for?  I'm perfect."  But I'm trying to get the images to speak for themselves instead of having to caption them.  Not easy.

Doric.

I assumed there was and "older" dial, so didn't mention it.  A habitual drunk will have an appearance around ten years older than he/she is after a period of time, ten or fifteen years maybe.  Those that haven't been on the bottle too long will get a ruddy color, but after a while, that fades to almost normal when drunk, more gray when sober.  A drunk isn't easy to model, there's a lot more that too many would recognize, those that have been inflicted with having to be around one.  And a lot is something you can't put into a pose, it's called attitude.  That usually boils down to "What are you ragging on me for?  I'm perfect."  But I'm trying to get the images to speak for themselves instead of having to caption them.  Not easy.

Doric.

I'm familiar with the type (for the same reason you are). I think you could get the attitude across in the pose. Depending on how far into a particular bottle the individual in question has gotten, he/she's going to be a bit wobbly and always leaning on (and then sliding down or pushing) walls, tables, counters, other people, the family dog --whatever's available. At the same time, they're pretending that they've got it all together (when they know they don't), so they're smoothing their hair (and making it worse), pushing out their chests (and losing balance as a result), and there's often an arm wavering as it searches for something to grab. In the habitual drunk, these things are more subtle because they have learned to hide the most obvious signs. (I'm sure you know perfectly well what I mean. But others may not have given it any thought.) It sounds comical to those who haven't lived with it. But if you can manage to convey the various levels of unsteadiness along with the utter lack of humility and the intimidation, people like us would recognize it right away, even if you'd used a wooden posing doll. :)

Edit: I think I'll take it on as a challenge. :) I'm not that great at posing from scratch, but I'll have to see what I can do.

I see you know exactly what I mean.  I can sit and laugh at some of it now, but while I was going through that, it was hell.  Dad trying to pull the blades out of an electric knife, without pushing the release, or putting his hand on the wood burning range in the kitchen to push himself out of his chair.  Had my right arm broken, when the doctor asked when it happened and I told him three days before, what I got when we were out of there, not nice.  Old country doctors don't like being called into their office at ten thirty at night.  The angry stride going after his teenage son, stepping into a rut, ending up laying in mud.  But that would be one hell of a project, fifty drunken poses for M4.  (Or whoever.)  Wish I could  have seen his face when he was looking for me in the woods, I was about forty feet up in the sugar pine he was using to keep from falling down.  As I said before, getting the poses and expressions isn't easy.
Doric.

And happy new year.  (Or not, your choice.)

Doric

 A bra, someone, please, a bra for the chap..LOL.

Strange,, a bulge is also visilble , right in the middle of the chest between the breasts.

Yep, chest-breast area needs a lot more work.

Noticed the bulge and the man boobs, think I saw a dial to back that off,  Dunno about the bulge, maybe the start of the "pregnant man"?  Don't know why no nips, take a walk down the block I live on in the summer, you'll see plenty of them.  No big deal.  But, after last months model airplane $1000 spree, I don't have any money to play with for at least until April.  I don't very often spend money, but when I do, I know how to spend a lot of it.

Doric.

The geometry for nipples is there, they just aren't pronounced in the default shape. 

The chest is a bit strange for default, but there are morphs to flatten them out and raise the pecs. 

For those who were complaining earlier about the 8-heads tall measurements, Dusk is actually 7.5 heads tall - the average realistic human proportions - not the idealistic 8. He's larger than the older Poser figures, but I suspect that has something to do with his cross-platform design. He's the same height as G2M and those figures are about 20% larger than Poser figures. 

Those who were complaining earlier about the 8-heads tall measurements, Dusk is actually 7.5 heads tall - the average realistic human proportions - not the idealistic 8. He's larger than the older Poser figures, but I suspect that has something to do with his cross-platform design. He's the same height as G2M and those figures are about 20% larger than Poser figures. 

I would think his height has more to do with the setting of the modeling program, as in, set too large.  G2 I assume you mean the gene thing, G2 to me is a series of Poser figures.  In a perfect world, dialing the body scale to something even reasonable would have all clothing follow it.  In the real world, sometimes, not always.  I'm already dialing M4 back to 95% to get him to fit with everything else, and Dusk is bigger yet?  How many man mountains do we need?  At six feet, I was one of the taller people of those I associated with.  And that's about as tall as I'd want a base figure, scale from there if you have to.  But loading a figure and clothing, then scale everything individually gets old real fast. Doric

What do ya think? "Fortyish drunken kraut"?

Add a basecap and he'll might also loke like a typical american redneck. ;)

BTW: Let's add a nudity flag to that ^^

Its a pity no one has got genitalia for Dusk yet. as it is he is unfinishedand that will impact on what i created for him

Its a pity no one has got genitalia for Dusk yet. as it is he is unfinishedand that will impact on what i created for him

Why? Unless you're making something that fits directly onto his genitalia.

As has been noted elsewhere, M4 genitalia can be used with Dusk with only very minor adjustments, so if you use converted M4 textures, you are in good shape

Bill

Those who were complaining earlier about the 8-heads tall measurements, Dusk is actually 7.5 heads tall - the average realistic human proportions - not the idealistic 8. He's larger than the older Poser figures, but I suspect that has something to do with his cross-platform design. He's the same height as G2M and those figures are about 20% larger than Poser figures. 

I would think his height has more to do with the setting of the modeling program, as in, set too large.  G2 I assume you mean the gene thing, G2 to me is a series of Poser figures.  In a perfect world, dialing the body scale to something even reasonable would have all clothing follow it.  In the real world, sometimes, not always.  I'm already dialing M4 back to 95% to get him to fit with everything else, and Dusk is bigger yet?  How many man mountains do we need?  At six feet, I was one of the taller people of those I associated with.  And that's about as tall as I'd want a base figure, scale from there if you have to.  But loading a figure and clothing, then scale everything individually gets old real fast. Doric

Proportions are a major reason why the G2 series are my go-to figures - realistically sized people are important to me.  I have a lot of V4/M4 content that doesn't scale properly.

Dusks' clothing does follow his scaling. The body suit follows it, as does the speedo. So far I only have the clothes that come with him. He is a bit taller than M4 but proportionally he's the same build. Scaling him to 96% makes him the same height is M4.

M4 is the same height as G2 Simon/P6 James, he's just built a bit thicker/more muscular.  Most men that I encounter average a height of 5'10 to 6'2, which is about the same as Dusk and M4, Dusk being on the taller end of that, maybe closer to 6'4, which also is not uncommon in the US, especially not in the midwest or south-east. Without pulling out a measuring device it's just a guestimate. But since Poser doesn't come with a built-in measuring device that I'm aware of, it's a matter of using a 3rd party device, and they all seem to use their own methods. Regardless, all 3 figures here follow the standard 7.5 heads rule of realistic proportions. Everyone is not built exactly the same of course.

here's a side profile with Dusk and several of the other Poser guys. A body scaling to 95% or so puts him in the standard range. Ryan is pretty short for a guy, IMO.

The whole scaling thing is because Poser changed the scaling size a number versions back and many people didn't want to redo a ton of content so went with the old scale.

Or in other words, if I think M4 is too tall, too big, Dusk isn't where I want to look.  But I doubt if you'll find many 6'4" men out of proportion with the national average in the midwest, as that happens to be where I've spent all but seven years of my life.  Unless you're extending the midwest down further south than I normally think of being midwest.  I know one of my uncles moved further south, many years ago, and he was considered a shrimp, at 5'11".  Clothes  that I'd want to use are in short supply anyhow, I might just be adding to the frustration.  I got plenty of time to think, being out of free money at the time.

Doric.

Why can't you change the size of the figure?

Here's a shot of Dusk scaled to 96%. He fits in pretty decently with Simon and M4's size. Mostly M4 as Simon is a bit on the scrawny side comparatively.

Why can't you change the size of the figure?

The size of the figure isn't a problem, he can be dialed down.  It's how well the clothing is going to follow the scaling, and HW didn't show me anything I'd use for what I want.  I'd have to use all 3rd party stuff, and that might not scale the same and still work.  But,later.  As I already said, I'm recovering from a CC spree that maybe wasn't too intelligent and there's nothing left in the entertainment pot. 

Shane, I normally scale down M4 to about 95%, then he seems to work better, V4 to closer to 90%.  The daz figures are all too tall to look right to me.  YMMV.

Doric.

Here's a shot of Dusk scaled to 96%. He fits in pretty decently with Simon and M4's size. Mostly M4 as Simon is a bit on the scrawny side comparatively.

Dusk seems to have a better legs to torso proportion than M4, longer legs. M4 looks kinda like an ape in comparison. Still don't know why people would be caught up with his height. Scale him down and increase his head size slightly, or use the "petite" dial (or whatever it's called) to change his height.

To be honest, I never really like M4 anyway. To me he always seemed like a step backwards in looks and technology. I actually preferred to use M3, who looked like a dork or nerd, but that's usually the look I was going for anyway.

I don't like M4 in the default state, but use him with the Nicolas morph.(Sharecg)  The K4/M4 mixer applied, I can scale him where I want him and have the clothing still fit pretty well.  Dialing him to about .1 K4 gives pretty close to what I think looks right for an adult figure.  To use Dusk, I'd have to dial him to about 90%, and I'm pretty sure there would be issues with clothing.  Future thought anyhow, not bad enough I went on a wild spree last month, now other things are deciding they need to be replaced and are refusing to work. Figures.

Doric

Or in other words, if I think M4 is too tall, too big, Dusk isn't where I want to look.  But I doubt if you'll find many 6'4" men out of proportion with the national average in the midwest, as that happens to be where I've spent all but seven years of my life.  Unless you're extending the midwest down further south than I normally think of being midwest.  I know one of my uncles moved further south, many years ago, and he was considered a shrimp, at 5'11".  Clothes  that I'd want to use are in short supply anyhow, I might just be adding to the frustration.  I got plenty of time to think, being out of free money at the time.

Doric.

Less than 4% nationally.  In the US, the average male is 5'10 & the average female is 5'4", & slightly less (less than 1") elsewhere. Using the Sizing Apparatus (available here)  Dusk is 6'5.7" (using 1PNU=8 Feet scale AKA the Poser 5/DS scale)  Using the horribly named petite morph will dial Dusk down to 5'9.  After that, it is off to play with the scaling morphs, which means I won't be using him as much as I had hoped.

Clothing doesn't have to be an issue - you have 2 choices, Fitting room (if you have Poser 2014) and/or Xdresser (if you don't).

Reality is, if you are going to use male figures, you have to learn to do more than Load, Conform "Make Art".  Which is not a bad thing.

Dusk is one of the most Poser compliant figures I have ever tried.

For individual body parts, Dusk scales better than any figure since M3/V3. And, he is weight mapped. I shall have to try Dawn.

Dusk desperately needs some bump/displacement maps to break up the smoothness of his vinyl skin. He needs some more textures. He also needs some more morphs (though I have been able to disarrange his basic distracting facial look).

 I think the things presently available for the figure (most of which I bought) make him a fairly good value. More please.

LMK 

Dusk is one of the most Poser compliant figures I have ever tried.

For individual body parts, Dusk scales better than any figure since M3/V3. And, he is weight mapped. I shall have to try Dawn.

Dusk desperately needs some bump/displacement maps to break up the smoothness of his vinyl skin. He needs some more textures. He also needs some more morphs (though I have been able to disarrange his basic distracting facial look).

 I think the things presently available for the figure (most of which I bought) make him a fairly good value. More please.

LMK 

He actually has bump maps, but for some reason the materials that come with him, don't seem to apply them.