Pumeco : post some youtube links that shows what 2D app you are using with the handle snapping so I know exactly what you are talking about.

so I know what 2D app you are using
and how ya 2D app does snapping to make precision design graphics

@RorrKonn
Try this in GIMP, this will explain it best:

• Under the View menu make sure Show Grid is switched on.
• Under the View menu make sure Snap to Grid is switched on.
• Select the tool I pointed out, I reset my theme so it should look exactly the same on yours, basically, you need to select the Paths Tool.
• Draw a line, and bend it around etc.

Notice how every point I have shown in the image is perfectly snapped to the grid even though it's a curve?

It's not just the ends of the line that snap to the grid, it's everything, and that means even the inbetween points and the nodes on the end of those yellow handles, they all snap to the grid.  This snapping behaviour is absolutely essential for doing precision design work when you're working with Bezier Curves or "Paths" as GIMP calls them, and as you can see, GIMP does this exactly how it's supposed to be done.

Manga Studio is mainly a vector based tool, so this sort of stuff is essential, it's standard issue in vector design programs, you expect it like you expect a new car to come with a steering wheel, that's how standard it is.  It really should be able to do this because it's a vector program :-D

I think Manga Studio is an incredible program, I love it to bits, but it's inability to snap is absolutely lame, it's a deal breaker, it's just crazy :-(

RorrKonn,

I think he may be referring to the handles that are used to edit anchor points (Illustrator) on a path, or the handles that allow you to edit nodes (Inkscape). In Inkscape you can snap these handles to a grid etc. Seems like this functionality no longer exists in Illustrator cc without Inkscribe plug in (I use Ai cs2 or ver.12/ Ps cs/8.0). I rarely do vector/bezier stuff, and then only with the pen tool in Ps.

score 1 point pumeco vs. adobe.

I'm curious why you are using such large image sizes for the stuff you are making in manga studio, I mean the imagery isn't maniacally detailed and vectors operate independant of resolution. Unless you are rasterizing for painting, am I misunderstanding? Can you paint with layers of vector strokes in MS?

Sorry pumeco, crosspost.

Still curious about the huge images though.

What's up with the huge gap at the bottom of my first post?

Just wanted to say...

Huge

again. Lol

lol

Pumeco I thought you where talking about some 2D cad or something.
gimp or ms5 wasn't made for precision blue prints for stuff like motors.
gimp's a carbone copy of photoshop n ms5 is for comics.
neither was made for cad stuff.
any thing done in gimp can be done in ms5.
ms5 vector tools are a lot faster then gimps path tool.
path tool is old tech that's been around a long time. 

 
Death : back in the windows 98 days are sceen resolution was around 600x400.
so the 500x500 pixel Art we done then is to small on todays 1920x1080 screens.
15 years from now my 6000x6000 will be to small for the 1,000,000x1,000,000 2030 screen resolutions.
buy then I hope they have some wicked software to make a 6000x6000 a 60,000x60,000 that still looks killer.
I want my Art to last till it's referred to as antiquities.so I'm doing all I can to see that happens.
&
the more pixels the bigger ya can print also.

the last time I was really in to painting was in real world medium.
I've never really done 2D painting. other then some textures with zBrush n Gimp.
Shattered was my first MS5 painting.
every painting I'll learn more.

I use vectors to make what I call a mask like the battle skull n convert the mask to raster.
then paint on raster layers.

I don't paint on vector layers.use vectors for placing line just where I want them,
ya drag a dot where you want it & smooth lines.

as ya can see in the .jpg I still need to place the lines where I want them but the lines are vectors
vector layers have that square 

you can add ,delete dots

covert from round to angle

Cheers RorrKonn, but you have it the wrong way around, GIMP is doing it properly, it's been done like that for as long as I remember.

• Manga Studio can't do it because the person in charge of features isn't up to the job of realising it should be there in a vector program.
• Adobe Illustrator used to have it until, if I'm understanding Primorge, they realised it's a major deal breaker so decided to charge extra for a plugin.
• GIMP does it right, it's there as standard, it's up-to-date modern tech that designers rely on, I'm a designer myself, so trust me ;-)

For designers, this stuff must snap to the grid :-)

Just remember, GIMP can do it as standard (perfectly), but Illustrator can no longer do it by default, and Manga Studio can't even do it at all.  And Primorge, seriously mate, if what you said is true about them removing it from a program like Illustrator (a vector program), the skin-crawl factor of Adobe just rose 100-fold, I really don't know how you can live with yourself for even having an Adobe product on your system.

Smell the roses mate, support those that support you, not those that screw you :-)

Photoshop never screwed me.

As an artist it's like saying "hey, you know those pre stretched and primed canvases you have been using for years and like so much and have done really nice paintings with? They screwed you. Now, I can't precisely say how they screwed you from a specific personal perspective... it's just my opinion."

I guess I should destroy all of my images that have been made or have passed through Ps in some way because photoshop has somehow screwed me by being a dependable tool that I can comfortably and productively work with?

Utter nonsense.

You have software neurosis pumeco, sorry mate.

woops, fell for it again. The old 'poke someone in a sensitive spot just so I can get my forum argument jollies' thing that seems to be rampant here.

RorrKonn,

Yup. I know how to use beziers with Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, Cararra, Pencil, Strata 3d, Inkscape, and a few others that have the functionality. Just haven't played with MS.

When they remove the snapping from a bloody vector program, what grade of complete and utter asshole do they have to reach be before you realise?
Sorry mate, but honestly ... OMFG.

What looks appealing to me about MS from cursory examination is it's gradient features, a shading technique that is used widely in manga. You can see how I used gradients in this image

http://i.imgur.com/h2zg2gc.jpg

and here

http://i.imgur.com/v8y527y.jpg

These were done using Ps but I imagine MS has a stronger emphasis on this technique. Certainly easier than the old method of cutting zip a tones (basically gradient frisket) that was common in pre computer comic days.

Pumeco, If I need handle snapping I fire up Inkscape or my old copy of Illustrator and get to it... I don't sit around foaming at the mouth about being screwed by the man. I have enough of that in my non art related world.

Sigh, I knew you'd love that little bit of info from the illustrator camp. ;)

Like I said earlier I almost exclusively work with raster based imagery but vector painting is interesting, I tried doing a bit of it following some tutorials but it felt so unspontaneous... all this talk of vectors n such makes me want to fiddle about with it again. If I can find the time.

Pumeco : google a "French Curve" it's what architects used back in the day zBrush n autodesk sketchbook has one also.

you can do your Art how ever you want. but just cause gimp n ms5 do it differently don't make it wrong.

your confuse new Artist

Death : are styles of Art are a bit different and I haven't learned all of ms5.
I'd give the demo a spin ,see if it has the shadowing tools ya looking for.

lol, RorrKonn, there's no confusion about it, GIMP has it but Illustrator no longer has, and Manga Studio never has - and they both should as standard.
French Curves are cool for real art though!

I'm not even going to warrant our friend Primorge with an answer this time, I think he's in denial :-P
But yup, that's why I didn't go ahead with Manga Studio, it's definitely awesome but like I said, snapping is a deal breaker for me.

Pumeco, I'm not in denial. I just don't care. It doesn't effect me as an artist in any way whatsoever.

This is like trying to convince a paranoid schizophrenic that his delusions are simply a product of an illness.

lol

ya could make some stuff that's like a French Curves copy paste n use them in any 2D app.
for any thing that's cad in nature.  car,bikes etc etc

it's just one way ya could do it

I haven't been getting email notifications that there were more replies to this thread, I guess I should just check it anyway every day. Tried to follow all the posts you guys put up here after my last one, but most of it went over my head. No matter, it'll be quite awhile before I need to know all that!