Hi all -

Well, the thread name says it all. I am wondering if it is legally acceptable to print a 3D Model from Poser.  

I would like to think it would be. Hoping someone can educate me on the subject.

Oh, and remember those nasty headaches I got?  Guess what it was - a Sinus Polyp.  Yup. That's it.  Something as simple as that to go in and drain it and then hopefully be completely pain free is beyond belief. 

Sorry to give people a rough time over the past 5 years if I did. Guess the pain was getting to me. 

Have a good one all!

Oh, and remember those nasty headaches I got?

Not that i remember, or even knew, but congratulations none the less :), 5 years is a long time with headaches.

Regarding the 3d prints, i don't think there would be any problems in doing that, at least i cant see how that should violate anything as you are not sharing any of there digital models, which are what you agreed to when buying poser. I wouldn't even think you were violating anything should you decide to sell the 3d printed models. But anyway, that is at least what i found to be most logic, but maybe someone else know a bit more about it. 

Check the EULA. Most models don't allow 3D printing as you would have to distribute the mesh to a 3rd party. And the license would have to specify the selling of 3D prints with most don't. The Poser native models with the Game edition license may allow it, but nothing else does. The Genesis 2 models however allow personal 3D prints and there is a watertight version of genesis 2 that you would use for printing.

Daz3d models are licensed for personal printing even through a third party. But not for commercial use or distribution.

Excerpt from DAZ3D EULA

"The creation of three-dimensional physical representations (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like) of Content or any three-dimensional art derived from the Content is permitted only for personal, non-commercial use by the User. Additionally, the user may not grant other entities or individuals the right to produce such physical representations of the Content except for the sole purpose of providing the print to the User for their personal use" - https://www.daz3d.com/eula

the meshes they sell are made for 3D app's.
there not made for 3D printing.
you would half to make them 3D printer friendly.

so ya would need zBrush or some app that has a boolean/remesher .

and since they where not made for a 3D printer .
the quality of the 3D printer friendly conversion depends on how good the 3D Artist making them is.

I wouldn't even ask, if I'm allowed to print, as long, as I don't intend to make money with it. As long the printed figures will have their home in my cabinet, who cares? this is not anybody's buisness.

actually it be easy enough to just make ya own meshes with zBrush .

then ya wouldn't half to worry about copyrights or printer friendly 

Just bring your figure over to zBrush, fix joints, resculpt the errors and print.

I wouldn't even ask, if I'm allowed to print, as long, as I don't intend to make money with it. As long the printed figures will have their home in my cabinet, who cares? this is not anybody's buisness.

If it's not in the EULA, it's still not allowed technically. But then it's not like the police would bust down your doors over it either. ;)

I wouldn't even ask, if I'm allowed to print, as long, as I don't intend to make money with it. As long the printed figures will have their home in my cabinet, who cares? this is not anybody's buisness.

If it's not in the EULA, technically it's not allowed; although the police wouldn't bust down your doors over it either.

Well, it would require a lot of work.
Might as well build your own mesh.

Using an existing mesh, even when within EULA, you would have to manually close up all gaps.

• Nostrils
• Ears
• Mouth
• Eyeballs in eyesockets 
  Just to name a few of the most common.

Also, if you want to 3D print clothed figures, all clothing has to be welded (read as) connected to teh base figure. All gaps between clothing an figure closed.

Perhaps there are 3D printers out there now that "can" do it, but preparing the mesh for the printer you have is gonna take a long time.

Show us the result?

And PS, happy for you that you are getting so much better.

What a coincidence, I was only thinking last night that we had not heard from you for a long time in the forum.   I knew you were having health issues so I hoped you were OK and I suspected you might have been one of the many that have drifted away from this forum.  Glad to hear you are in better health.

I have wondered about figures and 3D printing, not so much from the legal angle, as it would be just for me, but the technical angle.  The advice I was given was the same as that given by vilters and others, making a Poser figure suitable for 3D printing is hard work.  If you do proceed, let us know how you get on as I would be interested to see if it is possible and how much work it required.

Ah, pretty easy to make a nude humanoid figure water tight after you weld the body seams, if required, depending on how the geometries body part groups are stored... just requires some extruding, bridging and/or more welding/merging verts. As vilters said clothed figures an entirely different matter, practically impossible IMO (in terms of work required) and then the level of impossibility depending on the specific article.Consider that the clothing must be merged into the mesh not just intersect.

Hair, another matter.

Post did not show up, won't bother re-writing... please fix the forum Renderosity.

It's possible, and you have the best tool for it. I have already printed some Poser figures. I use ZBrush to make everything printable. Take your model after you've posed it and bring it into ZBrush. Make it a Dynamesh and correct errors, which may have occured by the dynameshing. The result should be printable with minor corrections.

It should be possible with Blender too, I would try a high-res shrinkwrapped mesh as a starter. But since I do have ZBrush, I did not spend much time with it. 

You need this kind of preparation, the figures usually aren't printable right away.

It's not allowed to print pages from the Poser PDF manual either. The moment, you'll try to print it, the PDF phones home, and the next seconde a SmithMicro SWAT-Team will break down your door and nail you to the ground. Oh man, you're so out of luck. ^^ ;)

Thanks for your thoughts and inputs everyone!  I will post my first print when I do it.  I have to get the printer first, so some saving is an order. I always ask all the time first before I do; always want to make sure there is no EULA violations. :) LOL Timberwolf on the SWAT team, that would suck! LOL

Battling it out now with the bank for a small  personal loan for the printer. How the hell I have to do that is beyond me - the numbers are there, good scores, yet they're being idiots about approval because of "history" how are we supposed to get more history if banks don't give it to us? Don't get it.....

Battling it out now with the bank for a small  personal loan for the printer. How the hell I have to do that is beyond me - the numbers are there, good scores, yet they're being idiots about approval because of "history" how are we supposed to get more history if banks don't give it to us? Don't get it.....

You win big bucks in the lottery and they will swarm you like flies :D

RagTop before we buy a printer.

do you have zBrush or it's = ?

do you know what ya getting in to to make a poser characters clothed,jewels, etc etc 3D printer ready.

You know none of the modern days Poser hair is useable for a 3D printer ? 

I don't know a great deal about printers 2D or 3D .

but if the 3D printers are $300 to $6000 .I don't know if a $300 would be any good

and don't know if ya going to need a $3000 printer. 

Might want to see what it would take to have a 3D print company do it for ya. 

Just what I was thinking, RorrKonn.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

In checking in with the printer, I have plans of selling original art that I make with it as well too at sci-fi type shows so I am going to be getting a better printer. I've been doing my research on it. Some sell bundles with 3D Scanners which I guess extrude for 3D Printing?   

I do know what they do though and their purpose and formats now that I've been learning more and more about them.  I'm going to see how my sci-fi art can do at Comic cons and stuff like that. Not the commercial stuff though, stuff I create,  such as 3D Dioramas and stuff like that. 

I'm not just rushing into it. I'm making the right choice and decision which best suits my needs. :)

this is the meaning of extrude I'm use to and I don't think scaners do that
http://www.xara.com/news/june08/img/extrudes.png

ya can see scans here,notice the hair,scaners have limits also

http://www.3dscanstore.com/

https://www.3dscans.sk/

Johnny!

I mentioned you just the other week (or was it month), when we were talking about breasts, which led me to wondering what happened to you :-D
Didn't know about your headaches, but glad to hear you'll have relief from it at last.

Battling it out now with the bank for a small  personal loan for the printer. How the hell I have to do that is beyond me - the numbers are there, good scores, yet they're being idiots about approval because of "history" how are we supposed to get more history if banks don't give it to us? Don't get it.....

The problem is that because interest rates are so low, there is not much extra income for the lender to cover risk of default, so they are very, very careful who they lend to these days. I would try converting and printing some examples through a commercial service such as Shapeways first, keeping in mind that their printers are far more capable than any an individual could likely afford...

Edited to fix my reply being part of the quote... :(

Edited again to fix HTML tags showing up in my cut/paste... :( :(

Hi all -

Well, the thread name says it all. I am wondering if it is legally acceptable to print a 3D Model from Poser. 

From what I remember of conversations about this in a subforum here, the answer would be: Yes, for personal use only. No, for commercial use, unless you arranged for licensing through the model's owner. (I assume it would be DAZ in this case.) If DAZ owns the mesh, there is a license available for 3D printing that would give you a license to print the models on a batch-run. ie: First 100k, second 100k, etc.. Something like that. However, and this is important, you would pay licensing fees whether or not the models were sold. In other words, once printed, you're charged, regardless if the model is sold or not. You can find these licensing issues specifically detailed in the GameDev agreements, I believe. I think the legal/copyright subforum, here, has the conversation I'm referring to. Take a look for it.

PS - In general, ANY direct reproduction of a 3D figure is a "derivative work" if it spans media types. (3D to printed figure, for example) Derivative clauses in any licensing agreement would also include 3D printing. Unless the license holder gives you specific permission to produce derivative works and to sell them, you can't under normal copyright conditions. That's generally true for anything where the copyright holder has reserved rights.

this is where venders lose me .
I never know if there stuff is original or not
they make game of thrones ,Spartacus ,etc etc morphs,cloths etc etc.
and they give me a EULA license saying I can use them in my movie.
seriously ?
I'd bet game of thrones ,Spartacus ,etc etc would say other wise.

but wait there's more
if I give them $100's of dollars more for a $10 dollar copy written stepped on mesh .there sell me a game license.LOL.

nah ,I'll make my own meshes thank you very much.

and if ya think Hollywood couldn't shut down all the 3D sites with a snap of a finger .
ha ,ha ,ya need to take another toke.

[b]this is where venders lose me .
I never know if there stuff is original or not
they make game of thrones ,Spartacus ,etc etc morphs,cloths etc etc.
and they give me a EULA license saying I can use them in my movie.
seriously ?
I'd bet game of thrones ,Spartacus ,etc etc would say other wise.[/b]

Show me one single "Game of Thrones" distributed model on Renderosity. Just one. Show me one "Spartacus" model on Renderosity. Again, just one.

This is a rhetorical exercise... (You don't have to hunt them down, I know what you're talking about.)

First of all, you are entirely correct in that a Vendor can not sell "Game of Thrones" models unless they have a license from the I.P. owner to sell them. And, if they did, they'd have giant H.B.O. stickers all over their product's web page, too. And, it's likely that if you're outside the agreed upon licensed area, like the USA, you couldn't buy it.

But, they CAN sell a product that "looks a lot like" something from Game of Thrones, but they can't call it anything that has been trademarked under Game of Thrones... THAT is where you're having an issue, I think. Those products that you say are from Game of Thrones are not actually "from" Game of Thrones - They just look a lot like something from that IP. The same goes for Spartacus and other movies and shows.

As long as a vendor does not "derive" a product from a trademarked or copyrighted product, which means they can not use things like original imagery, names, trademarked graphics (like Star Wars Imperial Fighter decals) nor can they use original products to derive a product, like putting an image in something much better than "faceshop" in order to derive Darth Vader's helmet, they can, within the "grey areas" of trademark/copyright law, produce products that have much of the same artistic flavor as a trademarked product. But, the can not claim it as being that particular IP. So, you get things like "space fighters" and "dragon princesses" and stuff like that, all attempts to distance the product from the original IP from which it was possibly "inspired."

Would HBO or whoever owns the IP for the show "Spartacus" say anything? That's hard to say. Since the products are not using any trademarked names, hopefully, then it's more difficult to claim them as derived works. HOWEVER, and this is becoming A Very Big Deal ™, if a representation is made of a celebrity who is playing a fictional role in an IP owned by a third-party, there's a lose avenue for contention, there. This isn't quite a legal turmoil, yet, but it may become one in the future. One could promote the idea that the "look" of a particular actor playing a particular character is actually part of the IP, itself, and governed under trademark law. The actor, after all, was subjected to a particular makeup process that is heavily documented and regimented in the IP, for continuity purposes, and that sort of documentation is on the table of every makeup artist involved in producing that "character." This is different from actors/celebs owning their "rea life" faces/likenesses.

Some IP owners would try to ignore such things, believing that there is no direct competition being offered and that all such "look alike" products do is promote their IP. Many purposefully avoid having to acknoweldge such possible infringements (But, they won't ignore a direct infringement!) because they don't want to have to set official precedents. However, some IP owners rigorously defend their trademarks and copyrighted materials, going to extreme lengths to protect their property. I guarantee you that Disney does and anything that Disney owns, including certain space-opera IPs, is rigorously defended and actively pursued on the 'net. Developers/distributors beware...

I am not an attorney. But, as it stands right now, you should not have any problems using any of Renderosity's products if the license for that product covers the use you intend it for. Document your assets, though. That way, if there is a problem, due to changing law or new litigation practices, you have a paper trail and know who it is you can sue for claiming false licensing rights. :)

For myself, I would never, ever, sell a product that was "derived" or "inspired by" a third-party IP unless I had a license to do so. Why? Because - It just isn't worth the possible hassle and, in my opinion, entirely original works are the mark of a true artist. I would, and have, provided "free" items that were inspired by or bear a resemblance to certain IPs, but all my licenses have specifically stated that they were for personal use and could never be included in any product for sale or redistribution. I stay within "Fair Use" practices and try to distance anything I create as far as possible from any point of infringement. I also stay away from trademarked names and I never copy/accurately reproduce any logos, fonts or trademarked symbols, either, for any freebie items. Why? Because... that's just how I roll. I respect IP owners and, thus, I don't have to pay lawyers very much... :)

I didn't like it much when disney got starwars ,dang sure don't like disney having startrek also.

this is where venders lose me .
I never know if there stuff is original or not
they make game of thrones ,Spartacus ,etc etc morphs,cloths etc etc.

You need to buy from reputable vendors, and also understand that you have very, very few protections.
If someone is creating and licensing products that use someone else's copyrights and trademarks, that should send up a red flag for you.

Buying through a brokerage doesn't give you any more protections usually - not unless they are really sharp at spotting cheats. Here's a question for you:

What happens if you license a product through brokerage X, and then brokerage removes the product for copyright violation? Lets say you buy a copy of the Millenium Falcon someplace, and think that under the brokerage's license, you can make your own Star Wars movie. But then, the brokerage finds out that the vendor ripped off Disney (Lucas/etc) and never had the right to distribute the model.

Then you put out your movie, and Disney slaps you with a lawsuit. Who is at fault here?

it's why I make my own meshes :)

I didn't like it much when disney got starwars ,dang sure don't like disney having startrek also.

Disney do not have the rights to Star Trek... Check your sources on that one, and maybe dates on any announcements to...