Having a difference of opinion is not a violation of the ToS.

If you see an example of a ToS violation that we've missed then PM me or a member of admin about it and we'll look into it. I've read through this entire thread and all I see is people arguing over a difference of opinion, and some correcting others on false statements about certain features. Granted, I could have missed something.

so you've missed the continued baiting that causes threads to get shut down again and again and again? no shane. you are not that stupid, and neither are we.  so don't try those tactics, it's insulting. it's clear that the staff here have given up and the trolls are now protected and allowed to bait threads to get the shut down if they don't like whats said.

this as other responses are clearly a waste of time. I'll restrict my interaction with this sire in future to the one feature still worth my time.

Shane Wrote:
"Having a difference of opinion is not a violation of the ToS."

Wouldn't surprise me if the majority of complaints the mods and the admins get are of that nature, but I think that pretty much nails the problem.  Society has been bred and brainwashed so much that it's becoming "normal" for people to assume that everyone has to think like they do, and that everyone has to dislike what they do.  If they don't like something, they assume it's normal not to like it and that no one else should like it either.

To be fair to these people, it's not actually their failt, it's the fault of "society" feeding them a bunch of bullshit 'morals' etc - and some people are easily led (that's their real problem).  I think that's where the arguments around here stem from almost all the time, because people simply cannot get it into their head that not everone out there is malleable enough to have their personalities shaped by 'run-of-the-mill' society morals.

Fact is, the only time Khai ever seems to appear here, is when he needs to complain about someone else, cause they're here but they don't fit what he finds acceptable to him.  The fact that there are numerous forums where his personality would fit in perfecly, doesn't stop him from complaining about stuff around here.  This is somewhere where he (and the general complainers around here) obviously don't fit in if they can't accept that adults have different opinions, beliefs, morals etc.

Irony is the spice of life. And there is a lot of irony here. The TOS gets brought up a lot, and it is subject to interpretation, etc. But in the end it does not really matter what it is unless you have some control over it.

People just need to agree, to disagree. It makes things a lot easier in the long run on everyone. That goes for just about everything in life.

Opinions are just that, and everyone is entitled to them. The ignore button has nothing to do with it either. You can read a post and not respond to it, and it is easier to ignore it than to respond to it anyway. Anyone can control that part of the TOS, and just ignore it. That is called self control....

If your opinion is different than mine, I am not going to try and sway you because that is not me. If mine is different than yours, don't even bother trying to make it match yours unless you can make an intelligent conversation... Intelligent and beating dead horse or not the same, so leave the dead horses be....

Just my 2 cents on the matter, feel free to put a penny for your thoughts in here. If two of you do I will at least break even.

Now we can just wait for Smith Micro to release information on the next version of Poser.

If people can not agree with that, at least agree to disagree and be civil about it...

Even if your not civil about it you still wont know what is next, will you?

This thread has run its course.....

I substitute your reality for my own......

David Wrote:
"Now we can just wait for Smith Micro to release information on the next version of Poser."

I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'd be down the bookies betting that the next release of Poser will further demonstrate SM's ignorance.

I just visited a link here to see what's new in Anime Studio Pro 11, but didn't even get to finding out what's new.  I went straight for the system requirements after reading what they did with Game Dev, and sure enough, the lamers have decided to hold genuine paying customers to 'activation ransom' in order to use products they have paid for.  Not only have they enforced an Internet activation system (which will NOT stop piracy), they've even made it so that you have to periodically activate the software!

Who the fuck do these pushy fuckers think they are?

They should be thankful that honest people are prepared to pay for their bug-ridden crap in the first place, especially when there's far superior software out there for free.  All this bullshit ever does is inconvenience the genuine paying customers and DOES NOT stop piracy.  Anime Studio WILL be had for free soon enough, it's only a matter of time before every search on YouTube will start throwing-up links to hacked versions - even with all this crap in place.  The next version of Poser will no doub't have the same system, and if it does, people should refuse to buy it.

Potential purchasers should boycott this bullshit, and instead of buying the product, drop the bastards a quick email telling them why.  No company should be able to hold to ransome, the customers use of software they have paid for.  Once you've paid for it, you should be able to use it without any intervention from them whatsoever.  Holding genuine paying customers to ransom over an internet authentication is nothing but an ill thought out inconvenience for genuine customers.  Some customers don't even have internet connections.

My opinion, everyone should tell them to go and fuck themselves and move to Linux where you'll have Blender for everything 3D related, and GIMP for everything 2D.  You really don't need this shit and people really should stop supporting them when they pull crap like this.  I'm glad I saw it when I did, cause I'm not even bothering to install Windows after my reformat now, no need, I only needed Windows for Poser and won't be buying it anymore, so no point wasting time on it anymore.

Learning Blender is the most productive thing a person into 3D can do, and that's available on native Linux as well, so yup, thankfully, the days of these corporate wankers taking advantage of paying customers are rapidly coming to a end.  So, fuck SM and every bug-ridden peice of crap they ever charged me for.  And I can't wait for MakeHuman to reach it's next stage of development either, that's gonna be a real Poser Killer (good), and no licencing bullshit to worry about either.

See you all in Blenderland on Linux when you finally come to your senses like the rest of us have.

INSERT A SINCERELY EVIL SMILE HERE - AND I REALLY DO MEAN PURE FUCKING EVIL

I just visited a link here to see what's new in Anime Studio Pro 11, but didn't even get to finding out what's new.  I went straight for the system requirements after reading what they did with Game Dev, and sure enough, the lamers have decided to hold genuine paying customers to 'activation ransom' in order to use products they have paid for.

Checked every SmithMicro product page (Poser, Manga Studio, Anime Studio and MotionArtist) and all of them have the same entry "Internet connection required for periodic product activation service". Time to move on.

I got "heads up" boxes on 60% of this thread.  at this point there's scant possibility of nerd getting involved in it IMVHO.

@Chaecuna
Agreed, and believe me, the writing was on the wall for them long ago.  Also, if what you said is true and they've added this system to Poser 10 as well, they'll have to write me out a refund cause it never had that system when I purchased it, and they cannot force me to accept it in order to get fixes for a product that should have been working form the start.

I hope you're right, I hope they were dumb enough to add it to Poser 10, that would be awesome indeed - I'll get a refund if they have (guaranteed).

@Miss Nancy
To be perfectly honest, I really don't think people should care whether he does or he doesn't, and I certainly don't.  The next release of Poser will basically be more bugs accompanied by an inconvenient activation system - and you get to pay them for it, too!

Whatever turns people on I suppose, personally I have my eyes on this one:
Click Here to see the future of Figure Design software in the making - and completely free from corporate bullshit.

Man, I just love it when corporate tossers in suits get beaten by competence and superiority (don't forget to click that lovely link):

I just visited a link here to see what's new in Anime Studio Pro 11, but didn't even get to finding out what's new.  I went straight for the system requirements after reading what they did with Game Dev, and sure enough, the lamers have decided to hold genuine paying customers to 'activation ransom' in order to use products they have paid for.

Checked every SmithMicro product page (Poser, Manga Studio, Anime Studio and MotionArtist) and all of them have the same entry "Internet connection required for periodic product activation service". Time to move on. If the next version of Poser has the periodic activation I won't be buying it either. Not because I don't have the internet connection, not because I don't like Poser, but on principle. Why punish paying customers for the thieves? I just don't get it. And it won't be me they'll be punishing...just themselves. DS looks really good some days... The bloom is definitely off the rose for Poser and me. It's been a long run too. IF they skip that crap activation stuff, I'll continue to upgrade like normal. If not...well, it was nice knowing ya Poser.

Laurie

Maybe instead of just complaining about it in the forums, someone might create a petition on a site like change.org, to get SM to listen to their users who don't want the periodic internet verification feature included. If enough people sign such a petition, it might get them to reconsider that move. Since it obviously does nothing to actually prevent piracy and only causes their paying customers more trouble.

Just an idea.

my render rig is not on the internet.  internet requires means poser is not an option.

not gonna matter which direction next poser goes.

was browsing my productlib yesterday, noticed my nerd3d stuff is no longer in the daz store. like rain tool.

The only response from Nerd3D regarding Poser is they are working on a way to make the new activation requirement features beneficial and even exciting to owners.  Check the official thread over at RDNA.

my render rig is not on the internet.  internet requires means poser is not an option.

not gonna matter which direction next poser goes.

was browsing my productlib yesterday, noticed my nerd3d stuff is no longer in the daz store. like rain tool.

Nerd's products are all over at Hivewire now.  Hivewire has been really accommodating of DAZ customers of their vendor products with updates.  Ken's Owl songbirds were recently updated and all you had to do was show your order from DAZ for a free update in your account at Hivewire. Nerd moved to HW some time ago, though.

Icprncss2 Wrote:
"The only response from Nerd3D regarding Poser is they are working on a way to make the new activation requirement features beneficial and even exciting to owners.  Check the official thread over at RDNA."

Corporate ignorance brought about by the fact that they expect people will still buy it instead of boycotting it.  The way to deal with any company that takes liberties, is to cut-off its cash flow - it really is that simple.  You do that by not buying the product.  All the Poser users need to do here is simply refuse to buy it until the first SR arrives (it will be likely be riddled with bugs anyway).   And as if by magic, the system will be gone.  They might even hold out until the second SR, but if they do, so should the purchasers.  Eventually, the activation system will be removed, and if they don't, move on.

It's guaranteed, because without money, they can't function.  Haven't even bothered following the link to read their corporate twaddle, and won't be.

Stand your ground and you'll win, but if you give in to this pushy, direspectful bullshit, they'll win and you'll be lumbered with a system you don't want.  Choose, because it's you that's in charge, not them, cause all it takes is to remind yourself that you are the one holding the money.  So for once in your lives, attempt to discover what getting your own way really feels like, cause seriously, this one is as easy as ABC - it could not be any easier.

lol

 That doesn't always have the desired effect, however, Pumeco. And sometimes, it's even detrimental to both the customer and the company. You wouldn't want to put a company out of business, for example, would you? Boycotts are best left as last ditch efforts to make someone change their mind about a certain issue. I both like and dislike it as a tactic, however, because even while at it's best it's a form of free speech,  at it's worse, it's still a form of blackmail.

Icprncss2 Wrote:
"The only response from Nerd3D regarding Poser is they are working on a way to make the new activation requirement features beneficial and even exciting to owners.  Check the official thread over at RDNA."

Corporate ignorance brought about by the fact that they expect people will still buy it instead of boycotting it.  The way to deal with any company that takes liberties, is to cut-off its cash flow - it really is that simple.  You do that by not buying the product.  All the Poser users need to do here is simply refuse to buy it until the first SR arrives (it will be likely be riddled with bugs anyway).   And as if by magic, the system will be gone.  They might even hold out until the second SR, but if they do, so should the purchasers.  Eventually, the activation system will be removed, and if they don't, move on.

It's guaranteed, because without money, they can't function.  Haven't even bothered following the link to read their corporate twaddle, and won't be.

Stand your ground and you'll win, but if you give in to this pushy, direspectful bullshit, they'll win and you'll be lumbered with a system you don't want.  Choose, because it's you that's in charge, not them, cause all it takes is to remind yourself that you are the one holding the money.  So for once in your lives, attempt to discover what getting your own way really feels like, cause seriously, this one is as easy as ABC - it could not be any easier.

lol

I don't have a problem with the activation system.  I am ok with anything that discourages casual piracy. You whine too much.

The truth of matter is that the activation system does not reduce piracy but only punishes the paying customers for the pirates. You don't think the activation system will be broken within a month of the next release of Poser?

And sorry, much as I like Chuck, I can't see him or SM making the activation scheme "fun" for me - just a  huge pain in the ass.

Laurie

An activation requirement beneficial and exciting to owners? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Oh. It's the owners of whatever company making said activation scheme. Beneficial and exciting to them. Not the owners of the licence to use the product, aka your customers. That must be it, the other way around doesn't make sense. :eyeroll:

Activation could be exciting. if it's something like as long as you keep activating you have the option for free upgrades. Notice I said upgrades not updates. So if it's poser 11 you get p12 and p13 and p14 etc. Or I suppose if every time you activate, you get a gift certificate for CP or better the marketplace of your choice and they last so you can let them add up. Or perhaps free content. But I don't know about that. What SM thinks I want may not be what I truly want. Or if they give me a million dollars every time poser phones home. I could handle that too.

"You don't think the activation system will be broken within a month of the next release of Poser?

And sorry, much as I like Chuck, I can't see him or SM making the activation scheme "fun" for me - just a  huge pain"

Perhaps they are considering going full "Cloud" based Like Autodesk& Adobe.

At any rate Smith Micro is in no real danger of a Mass exodus By the poser faithful.

if that were the case it would have happened already ,in the aftermath of the  abysmal native figures included in the last few releases.

The reality IMHO, is that a majority of the poser user base are "hobbyists" who are not going to undertake the task learning even the basics of another program just for personal figure renders.. and why should they??.

Seriously.. Just look at the frantic, Desperate Effort ,already underway, to shoehorn the New" Genesis 3" Female into poser and the willingness to accept  the ridiculously crippled end result.

So all all this menacing talk about Blender, Makehuman,Iclone Daz Studio et al, makes for nice web  Forum Rhetoric

But in the End poser 11 or whatever, will be released at some point and the wallets& purse with spring open gladly.

I couldn't care less about the activation method. Bottom line is, if the new poser doesn't have support for the new and improved figures then I see no point in buying another version. I really can't see what revolutionary feature they can introduce that could warrant an upgrade but I don't think V4 has another decade in her. At least they can come up with a figure on par. Stagnation in 3D tech is never a good thing.

So all all this menacing talk about Blender, Makehuman,Iclone Daz Studio et al, makes for nice web  Forum Rhetoric

The more I look at the situation, the more I think that Poser users are not interested in creating 3D art but in specifically using Poser. It would be an interesting experiment to offer them a perpetual 3DStudio/Maya/MODO/Houdini ownership/upgrade in exchange for Poser: I bet that they would decline the offer.

Shoehoring G3F in Poser? one tells them that it cannot work for rigging reasons and still they stubbornly try to do so. No need for comments.

I just don't understand why ANYONE gives one damned f*ck how I spend my own money.
Please, someone explain why hurling insults at someone for not choosing to spend money on software you prefer warrants these kinds of personal attacks?

And, more than that, given the disdain with which they view these users why the holy hell do they COME HERE? 

Is hurling insults at people so much fun you need a daily dose?

Are you so damned small that you're only reason for breathing is to come to RO to insult Poser users?

So all all this menacing talk about Blender, Makehuman,Iclone Daz Studio et al, makes for nice web  Forum Rhetoric

The more I look at the situation, the more I think that Poser users are not interested in creating 3D art but in specifically using Poser. It would be an interesting experiment to offer them a perpetual 3DStudio/Maya/MODO/Houdini ownership/upgrade in exchange for Poser: I bet that they would decline the offer.

Shoehoring G3F in Poser? one tells them that it cannot work for rigging reasons and still they stubbornly try to do so. No need for comments.

Lets put that to the test, I have been using Poser since Poser 5, so how about you offer me a free version of any the the software you mention and see what my answer is.  Here is a clue, I will just go and find my Poser serial number, you might need it.

I couldn't care less about the activation method. Bottom line is, if the new poser doesn't have support for the new and improved figures then I see no point in buying another version. I really can't see what revolutionary feature they can introduce that could warrant an upgrade but I don't think V4 has another decade in her. At least they can come up with a figure on par. Stagnation in 3D tech is never a good thing.

Well the first question does Poser need a new figure, if the answer is yes does it have to come from SM and whatever the answer what should the new figure include. Funny I seem to remember a thread by Teyon asking about a new figure, it went for pages and it does not seem to be that long ago. 

I couldn't care less about the activation method. Bottom line is, if the new poser doesn't have support for the new and improved figures then I see no point in buying another version. I really can't see what revolutionary feature they can introduce that could warrant an upgrade but I don't think V4 has another decade in her. At least they can come up with a figure on par. Stagnation in 3D tech is never a good thing.

Well the first question does Poser need a new figure, if the answer is yes does it have to come from SM and whatever the answer what should the new figure include. Funny I seem to remember a thread by Teyon asking about a new figure, it went for pages and it does not seem to be that long ago. 

I don't care who makes the new figure but we have to be realistic. Daz has a massive content creating mechanism. I don't believe that any new figure not supported by it can have even a fraction of the content that Genesis has. I know a lot of people like to create their own clothes and morphs and textures, I wish I could too. Every new figure that comes out dies within months, that's my personal opinion at least. I just hope that there will be an effort to stop the divide because I'm not planning on leaving poser for any other program any time soon and I'm really jealous of all the new toys.

I couldn't care less about the activation method. Bottom line is, if the new poser doesn't have support for the new and improved figures then I see no point in buying another version. I really can't see what revolutionary feature they can introduce that could warrant an upgrade but I don't think V4 has another decade in her. At least they can come up with a figure on par. Stagnation in 3D tech is never a good thing.

Well the first question does Poser need a new figure, if the answer is yes does it have to come from SM and whatever the answer what should the new figure include. Funny I seem to remember a thread by Teyon asking about a new figure, it went for pages and it does not seem to be that long ago. 

I don't care who makes the new figure but we have to be realistic. Daz has a massive content creating mechanism. I don't believe that any new figure not supported by it can have even a fraction of the content that Genesis has. I know a lot of people like to create their own clothes and morphs and textures, I wish I could too. Every new figure that comes out dies within months, that's my personal opinion at least. I just hope that there will be an effort to stop the divide because I'm not planning on leaving poser for any other program any time soon and I'm really jealous of all the new toys.

Well now Daz has moved Genesis to industry standard weight mapping I guess there is a chance that the gap will narrow, at least for a while but I really can't see that stopping the divide.  The venture capitalists that have invested in Daz have definite ideas where they are going, and after all it is their money.  Poser is on a different track and both might result in the loss of at least some of the hobby users, either by lack of or changing features or pricing the total cost out of some users reach.

I think, aside from health issues involving my failing eyesight, the only thing that could get me to leave Poser is if it goes totally "in the cloud". Sorry, but any scheme that involves a perpetual rental scheme is not one for me. Call me old-fashioned, but I like to own what I put my money into, at least insofar as ownership of such things is possible. Which is why I am sticking with Adobe CS2 instead of "upgrading" -- at least as long as I can get it to run on my system. And will hunt for older but legal versions on EBay or Amazon or wherever should it decide to finally call it quits on me like my old CorelDraw Suite 8 did.

Ssgbryan Wrote:
"I don't have a problem with the activation system.  I am ok with anything that discourages casual piracy."
It increases piracy because customers take issue with the inconvenience they suffer, while those who get the pirated version, won't have that inconvenience.

Ssgbryan Wrote:
"You whine too much."
And you, are far too easily led.

Poser goes Cloud ???

I'd be done by that, with Poser. Have you seen IRAY, have you seen Victoria 7? Better think twice.

I couldn't care less about the activation method. Bottom line is, if the new poser doesn't have support for the new and improved figures then I see no point in buying another version. I really can't see what revolutionary feature they can introduce that could warrant an upgrade but I don't think V4 has another decade in her. At least they can come up with a figure on par. Stagnation in 3D tech is never a good thing.

Well the first question does Poser need a new figure, if the answer is yes does it have to come from SM and whatever the answer what should the new figure include. Funny I seem to remember a thread by Teyon asking about a new figure, it went for pages and it does not seem to be that long ago. 

I don't care who makes the new figure but we have to be realistic. Daz has a massive content creating mechanism. I don't believe that any new figure not supported by it can have even a fraction of the content that Genesis has. I know a lot of people like to create their own clothes and morphs and textures, I wish I could too. Every new figure that comes out dies within months, that's my personal opinion at least. I just hope that there will be an effort to stop the divide because I'm not planning on leaving poser for any other program any time soon and I'm really jealous of all the new toys.

Well now Daz has moved Genesis to industry standard weight mapping I guess there is a chance that the gap will narrow, at least for a while but I really can't see that stopping the divide.  The venture capitalists that have invested in Daz have definite ideas where they are going, and after all it is their money.  Poser is on a different track and both might result in the loss of at least some of the hobby users, either by lack of or changing features or pricing the total cost out of some users reach.

I think you're a bit off here, hornet.......  let's look at what we have here. DAZ brings out a new figure which is all about GAME DEV. 

Oh, wait, SM did that how many months back?  Heck, they gave the game dev community their entire product line with PP14GameDev.

So think about this......who's following who again?

Hobbyists don't need 130+ bones!  Animators do.

My guess is that DAZ is scrambling to catch up to the next version of Poser and simply tried to beat them to the punch.

When have we seen this before?  Oh, yeah, DS4 wasn't it?

DAZ just dumped their "game changing" Genesis rigging.  And, told the hobbyist crowd to take a hike.

ROFLMAO!

I couldn't care less about the activation method. Bottom line is, if the new poser doesn't have support for the new and improved figures then I see no point in buying another version. I really can't see what revolutionary feature they can introduce that could warrant an upgrade but I don't think V4 has another decade in her. At least they can come up with a figure on par. Stagnation in 3D tech is never a good thing.

Well the first question does Poser need a new figure, if the answer is yes does it have to come from SM and whatever the answer what should the new figure include. Funny I seem to remember a thread by Teyon asking about a new figure, it went for pages and it does not seem to be that long ago. 

I don't care who makes the new figure but we have to be realistic. Daz has a massive content creating mechanism. I don't believe that any new figure not supported by it can have even a fraction of the content that Genesis has. I know a lot of people like to create their own clothes and morphs and textures, I wish I could too. Every new figure that comes out dies within months, that's my personal opinion at least. I just hope that there will be an effort to stop the divide because I'm not planning on leaving poser for any other program any time soon and I'm really jealous of all the new toys.

Well now Daz has moved Genesis to industry standard weight mapping I guess there is a chance that the gap will narrow, at least for a while but I really can't see that stopping the divide.  The venture capitalists that have invested in Daz have definite ideas where they are going, and after all it is their money.  Poser is on a different track and both might result in the loss of at least some of the hobby users, either by lack of or changing features or pricing the total cost out of some users reach.

I think you're a bit off here, hornet.......  let's look at what we have here. DAZ brings out a new figure which is all about GAME DEV. 

Oh, wait, SM did that how many months back?  Heck, they gave the game dev community their entire product line with PP14GameDev.

So think about this......who's following who again?

Hobbyists don't need 130+ bones!  Animators do.

My guess is that DAZ is scrambling to catch up to the next version of Poser and simply tried to beat them to the punch.

When have we seen this before?  Oh, yeah, DS4 wasn't it?

DAZ just dumped their "game changing" Genesis rigging.  And, told the hobbyist crowd to take a hike.

ROFLMAO!

You could well be right I was just putting forward one hypothesis, I think my main point was that the split is there and will grow.  Genesis 3 may well be made to work in Poser but Poser and Daz are on different paths and I have no problems following the Poser route so far.

I couldn't care less about the activation method. Bottom line is, if the new poser doesn't have support for the new and improved figures then I see no point in buying another version. I really can't see what revolutionary feature they can introduce that could warrant an upgrade but I don't think V4 has another decade in her. At least they can come up with a figure on par. Stagnation in 3D tech is never a good thing.

Well the first question does Poser need a new figure, if the answer is yes does it have to come from SM and whatever the answer what should the new figure include. Funny I seem to remember a thread by Teyon asking about a new figure, it went for pages and it does not seem to be that long ago. 

I don't care who makes the new figure but we have to be realistic. Daz has a massive content creating mechanism. I don't believe that any new figure not supported by it can have even a fraction of the content that Genesis has. I know a lot of people like to create their own clothes and morphs and textures, I wish I could too. Every new figure that comes out dies within months, that's my personal opinion at least. I just hope that there will be an effort to stop the divide because I'm not planning on leaving poser for any other program any time soon and I'm really jealous of all the new toys.

Well now Daz has moved Genesis to industry standard weight mapping I guess there is a chance that the gap will narrow, at least for a while but I really can't see that stopping the divide.  The venture capitalists that have invested in Daz have definite ideas where they are going, and after all it is their money.  Poser is on a different track and both might result in the loss of at least some of the hobby users, either by lack of or changing features or pricing the total cost out of some users reach.

I think you're a bit off here, hornet.......  let's look at what we have here. DAZ brings out a new figure which is all about GAME DEV. 

Oh, wait, SM did that how many months back?  Heck, they gave the game dev community their entire product line with PP14GameDev.

So think about this......who's following who again?

Hobbyists don't need 130+ bones!  Animators do.

My guess is that DAZ is scrambling to catch up to the next version of Poser and simply tried to beat them to the punch.

When have we seen this before?  Oh, yeah, DS4 wasn't it?

DAZ just dumped their "game changing" Genesis rigging.  And, told the hobbyist crowd to take a hike.

ROFLMAO!

You could well be right I was just putting forward one hypothesis, I think my main point was that the split is there and will grow.  Genesis 3 may well be made to work in Poser but Poser and Daz are on different paths and I have no problems following the Poser route so far.

Well, I have a feeling the paths are about to converge again.  But not for US - the hobbyist. The hobbyist market has been dying a very slow death.  The split by DS4/Genesis accelerated that death.

The GameDev market is where it has to go, and we hobbyists will be left with pieces we might get to work.

Are you sure the hobbyist market is dying? I am not so sure about that.

The hobbyist market is getting more people into it all the time.

And at the same time it is getting more programs to do it affordably as well.

Are you sure the hobbyist market is dying? I am not so sure about that.

The hobbyist market is getting more people into it all the time.

And at the same time it is getting more programs to do it affordably as well.

I am quite certain.

I am quite certain.

Lol, strong in opinion, low on fact. Not a very healthy diet.

So all all this menacing talk about Blender, Makehuman,Iclone Daz Studio et al, makes for nice web  Forum Rhetoric

The more I look at the situation, the more I think that Poser users are not interested in creating 3D art but in specifically using Poser. It would be an interesting experiment to offer them a perpetual 3DStudio/Maya/MODO/Houdini ownership/upgrade in exchange for Poser: I bet that they would decline the offer.

Shoehoring G3F in Poser? one tells them that it cannot work for rigging reasons and still they stubbornly try to do so. No need for comments.

Hi there Poser users are interested in arts,but as every person like to moan if something does fit their case/point,I do use Poser for rendering and mostly for posing and importing those as obj to other SW and then there I render if I want bit better render,in Poser you have several good options to render nice renders like with Lux/Reality or Octane...

If someone will offer me to upgrade Poser to any other SW,this will depends..I'm using 3DS MAX although only EDU version for my needs its OK to full version simply budget I think will not allow me for very long time and I really like the Poser UI,if Poser UI would change to 3DS MAX style then I would only welcome this,Blender is most confusing SW for me.If 3DS MAX/Maya/MODO or Houdini users would upgrade to Poser I think not,as those SW are targeted for different group than Poser/DAZ group,if modelling capability of Poser are on level with Blender then I think few of them would at least try 

G3F not sure,I don't have her,but after spending money on G1 and G2F and now G3F I just don't want go this route and again after few months here will be G4F or something different,when G3F will be old,I don't use G1F or G2F in my renders unless new Poser will make some difference in work with them,as is pain in arse to use when you want to pose 3 G2F and you will add there several props clothing etc 

Thanks,Jura

Sorry for not responding to this thread sooner. I've been pretty distracted planning features for the next version of Poser. I see a lot of you are worried we will abandon the Hobbyists.

Come on, you know us better than that! We're not abandoning you guys. It may seem we're slow to react sometimes that's because we are very careful not to wreck your legacy products as we move forward. Our plans are to give animators, content creators, illustrators, and yes, hobbyists new feature and toys to make Poser even more fun than ever.

Good to hear from you, Charles.

Sounds like you have been busy.  Have a great weekend.  :)

Are you sure the hobbyist market is dying? I am not so sure about that.

The hobbyist market is getting more people into it all the time.

And at the same time it is getting more programs to do it affordably as well.

I am quite certain.

All of this chicken-little, The sky is falling! Poser is dying if it doesn't have feature X, Y or Z has been around for at least a decade. Oh, and 1 last thing - for those of you whining about your precious computer with Poser GameDev not being on the internet, if you actually read the GameDev Addendum you would know that there is a way to activate without actually being connected to the internet.

Just sayin'.

Ssgbryan Wrote:
"I don't have a problem with the activation system.  I am ok with anything that discourages casual piracy."
It increases piracy because customers take issue with the inconvenience they suffer, while those who get the pirated version, won't have that inconvenience.

I take offense to that, Pumeco, and so should every other person on this forum. I'm not a crook or a thief. Just because Poser  or any other company does  something I may not like with their product by no way means that I am willing to steal it. The only exception to that would probably be something that I honestly can't live without , like food or water, or perhaps something that creates an extreme hardship. Poser does not qualify on either of those grounds. Nor does any other software I own. I did without them before they came along, and I can do without them again, if need be. Sorry, but unless there's some great humanitarian need, piracy is just theft, pure and simple and there is NO justification for it.

Sorry for not responding to this thread sooner. I've been pretty distracted planning features for the next version of Poser. I see a lot of you are worried we will abandon the Hobbyists.

Come on, you know us better than that! We're not abandoning you guys. It may seem we're slow to react sometimes that's because we are very careful not to wreck your legacy products as we move forward. Our plans are to give animators, content creators, illustrators, and yes, hobbyists new feature and toys to make Poser even more fun than ever.

Well, since you dropped in, are you/SmithMicro planning on offering native compatibility for Genesis 3? This is not a trick question or one intended to produce a "gotcha" it is part of my consideration of upgrade plans and I need to know how to proceed. I have purchased/upgraded to every version of Poser from P5 to PP2014. I have never used DAZ|Studio except a few opens to look at the latest interface. I have a 480GB runtime and I have purchased commercial content from SM (via Content Paradise), Renderosity, RuntimeDNA and Daz3D since 2004. I am a hobbyist, but I want the ability to run Genesis 3, and I want it to be native on Poser. If not, I may be forced to change (and I really don't want to use that option).

Clarkie Wrote:
"I take offense to that, Pumeco, and so should every other person on this forum. I'm not a crook or a thief. Just because Poser  or any other company does  something I may not like with their product by no way means that I am willing to steal it. The only exception to that would probably be something that I honestly can't live without , like food or water, or perhaps something that creates an extreme hardship. Poser does not qualify on either of those grounds. Nor does any other software I own. I did without them before they came along, and I can do without them again, if need be.Sorry, but unless there's some great humanitarian need, piracy is just theft, pure and simple and there is NO justification for it."

You misunderstood.  I'm not saying that people should steal it or that I would steal it (I never steal anything).  I'm pointing out that all this stuff ever does is inconvenience the paying customer and still does not prevent piracy.  The way I'll personally deal with this is that I won't be buying it - simple as that.  You'll no doubt buy it (even though you shouldn't), but as you said, if you don't like something you won't buy it (but you won't pirate it either).

Well it's the same here, but we're not talking about us, we're talking about them, the world at large.  Poser is going to be had for free whether SM like it or not, and that means even with the inconvenience of the activation system in place - so what's the point?  It's a dumb, pointless, typically corporate, inconsiderate move that does nothing other than effect the very people that are honest enough to help them develop the software (you).  Pirates couldn't give a crap about SM or Poser, Clarkie, they'll likely have the protection cracked within minuites of it being available, so a lot of previous purchasers will chose that route instead, because they understandably don't see why they should pay to be inconvenienced when those that get it for free, won't have that stupid activation system.  The crackers simply remove all that shit, it's all in a few minutes work for people with those skills.

What you're contemplating accepting here, is no different than going into a car showroom and slapping cash on the desk for a brand new car.  You paid for it in full so there is nothing outstanding, yet the dealer tells you you're gonna have to report to them for the keys if you want to drive it.

Just as that situation would demand, my message to SM is : FUCK OFF

I don't NEED to buy it. I do have other alternatives. Hell, push come to shove, I'll even use DS. But i do like Poser, and yeah, I'll continue to use it, even if I have to pay for it. :)

That's fine, but you get what I mean now?
I was not suggesting people pirate it, I was suggesting people don't buy it until SM start listening.

Sorry for not responding to this thread sooner. I've been pretty distracted planning features for the next version of Poser. I see a lot of you are worried we will abandon the Hobbyists.

Come on, you know us better than that! We're not abandoning you guys. It may seem we're slow to react sometimes that's because we are very careful not to wreck your legacy products as we move forward. Our plans are to give animators, content creators, illustrators, and yes, hobbyists new feature and toys to make Poser even more fun than ever.

Well, since you dropped in, are you/SmithMicro planning on offering native compatibility for Genesis 3? This is not a trick question or one intended to produce a "gotcha" it is part of my consideration of upgrade plans and I need to know how to proceed. I have purchased/upgraded to every version of Poser from P5 to PP2014. I have never used DAZ|Studio except a few opens to look at the latest interface. I have a 480GB runtime and I have purchased commercial content from SM (via Content Paradise), Renderosity, RuntimeDNA and Daz3D since 2004. I am a hobbyist, but I want the ability to run Genesis 3, and I want it to be native on Poser. If not, I may be forced to change (and I really don't want to use that option).

+1 I'm really interested in the answer to this one, please don't bypass it. It's a simple enough question I think and it will determine whether I get behind the new poser or not.

Same here. It'd take a lot to move me off PP2014 because this is now a hobby for me not work. Upgrades have to wait -- unless they include major compatibility improvements.

I think is Daz3d who have to offering native compatibility for Genesis 3, it is the figure creator, it is absurd to ask SM to add compatibility to a 3rd party figure that even their creators (Daz3d) doesn't do. Poser has its own WM system, just ask Daz3d to make a new figure for that system.

It is like I ask Daz3d to add compatibility to the Poser WM system inside Daz Studio.

I know that many people want to use G3 in Poser, but you are getting the wrong way asking SM for compatibility, ask it to Daz3d.

I understand the interest in Genesis 3 but to ask an employee of any company, irrespective of their position in that company, what software development is in progress is a pushing things a little.  Having worked in software development I am aware of the gating system many companies use and the fact that features can fall by the wayside along the way.  People would be rightly upset if something was promised and then not delivered for whatever reason. There is also the competition aspect which is why there are non-disclosure clauses for people working on new versions of software. I mean how many people knew in advance there was going to be a Genesis 3 at this point and how many are telling you details of Genesis 4?

Ask the question by all means but let's not beat SM if they refuse to answer, or remain quiet on the subject.

I know that many people want to use G3 in Poser, but you are getting the wrong way asking SM for compatibility, ask it to Daz3d.

Genesis 3 may be DAZ' contribution to compatibility.  If the new skinning is added to Poser, I think it will Just Work, and better than previous Genesis figures. There are certainly changes coming to other SM products; Anime studio features the"Ability to remotely collaborate with other artists using Layer Referencing, import from Adobe Photoshop, Smart Bones creation for workflow improvements and support for a standard file format based on JSON technology" [emphasis mine]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/smith-micro-fuels-online-content-120000441.html. 

As far as Genesis 3's timing, this is the week before the end of a financial quarter, and a new figure gives  DAZ' sales a nice little boost for the next earnings calculation....

I see it like this: Peanut butter is delicious. So is chocolate. Both can be eaten on their own, right? And whatever way you like to eat it is just fine. But when the peanut butter and the chocolate get all mixed up into a Peanut Butter Cup ... wow! Who wouldn't buy those -- unless you're allergic or otherwise restricted, in which case you have my deep sympathy. 

Poser and Daz are great individually. But the more cross-compatibility we can get between them, doesn't everybody win?