So I hadn't bought anything in quite a while and have been quite content with messing about with what I currently have. I just popped on to the store, saw some stuff I was keen on buying and noticed it was Genesis 3. In the past I'd been using Wardrobe Wizard to convert clothing from V4 to TY2, but it doesn't appear that G3 is supported by WW2, nor does it even appear that G3 is even supported in Poser. And it looks like everything in the storefront is G3 now, with less and less V4.

My questions are:

1: If G3 is Daz only and the market is gradually moving towards G3 instead of V4, will I have to abandon all the stuff I bought for Poser if I want to move on with new stuff?

2: What on earth is a "duf" file?

3: I almost bought Poser 11, but if the main figures aren't supported by it....would it be an unwise purchase?

Hi.

1. If you want to use Genesis 3 then you'd need to move to Daz Studio. The content that you previously bought for V4 will still work in Poser and Daz Studio. As to the shift in which figure the stores support it's mainly down to which figures the artists want to sell content for. V4 is quite old now so content that's made for her would have slowed down at some point.

2. a .duf file is an older file type used by Daz Studio, the content of the file could be anything from data for a pose or a figure, similar to a Poser cr2.

3. This would depend on which figures you'd like to use. Obviously if you wish to use Genesis 3 then Poser 11 wouldn't be the right choice for you. V4 does still work in Poser 11.

The market isn't gradually moving towards G3F, it is becoming more visible in light of the increased use of DAZStudio. Victoria 4 content is still created, and Genesis/Genesis 2 have enough versatility to bridge both DAZ and Poser. Genesis 3 Female/Male will not completely work in Poser although several Poser users are boldly attempting to break that barrier although there maybe many hoops to jump before the figure can be properly converted for Poser use. However, there are plenty of other models available which work very well in Poser and are supported by 3rd party vendors. There is also a push to support Poser 11 Pauline over at RDNA. There are still options available, you just need to decide what direction to take with your 3D art. As to whether it is wise to purchase the latest Poser version, I upgraded to Poser 11 Pro because of the promising new features which I intent to learn and use. Doesn't matter to me which model I use as long as I get what I want out of a render.

DUF format is inherent to DAZStudio, not found or supported by Poser.

I know a lot of vendors who are still using V4 and a lot of members who prefer V4. There is also new figures in Poser 11 that have caught a lot of folks attention. Things may be changing ... but Genesis 3 isn't the only choice in town.

Shoot...this is gonna be a dilemma I guess. Betamax versus VHS all over again.

LOL the good thing was that I noticed that the stuff I had in my cart and almost bought were G3 instead of V4...I'm gonna have to pay closer attention to that from now on. Earlier V4 was pretty much the only game in town.

I guess I'll just stick with what I have now and hope smarter minds than mine can figure out how to convert G3 clothing...

Thanks the responses tho you three!

Banpei posted at 3:59PM Mon, 28 December 2015 - #4246037

Shoot...this is gonna be a dilemma I guess. Betamax versus VHS all over again.

LOL the good thing was that I noticed that the stuff I had in my cart and almost bought were G3 instead of V4...I'm gonna have to pay closer attention to that from now on. Earlier V4 was pretty much the only game in town.

I guess I'll just stick with what I have now and hope smarter minds than mine can figure out how to convert G3 clothing...

Thanks the responses tho you three!

Yup, for now you just have to be on the lookout for what your buying. For now I'm sticking with V4 - Poser myself, I've got a bit of content for it already and I'm not really in the mood to learn a whole new interface like DS. I'm sure it works great for some folks, but for me I've been using poser for a long time and I'm used too it, and it does pretty much everything I need it to do so I just don't see as getting into G3 is really worth the learning curve, at least not for me personally. YMMV of course.

If at some point support for V4 wains enough and there isn't a viable replacement with decent vendor support in the Poser realm, I might reconsider and switch. But for now I'll stick with what I know.

1.) No. The market isn't "moving", really. DS stuff is getting a lot more content created for it, but there's a huge amount of content for V4 figures, already. DS's market is, however, probably growing, though. But, that's purely "content generated" attention and growth. Poser 11 just came out, so that will increase Poser content generation for a bit. Content is king and that's a fact, but I wouldn't say that people are switching to DS because of its content - Poser has a great deal and, in some ways, it's more versatile and powerful. (IMO)

1. See the answers, above.

2. What "main figures?" The G3 series? Well, if you want to use those, you should invest in DS. But, the G3+ figures aren't, necessarily, "better" than V4 and the newer Smith Micro figures or the ones created by vendors.

In the end, it's all about what your skill level is, necessary workflow and what the advantages/disadvantages of the program happen to be. If you feel more comfortable moving to DS and want to use the newer DAZ figures, then do so. If you wish to stick with what you already know and are familiar with, you wouldn't really be losing anything with Poser, despite incompatibilities with newer DAZ figures.

1. Yes, the market is moving. Quite steadily to Genesis 3 and in turn Daz Studio. There really is quite overwhelming evidence to demonstrate the fact from multiple sources. Here are some things to consider: Site traffic, New Product release volumes, What's Hot sections and Vendor support. Vendors in fairly substantial numbers are moving to Genesis 3 support, here are just a few you may remember. Ironman13, Dreamlight, Sabby, 3DSublimeproductions, Pretty3D, Kaleya, Powerage, Outoftouch, Exnem, Godin, designem, Silver, Sveva, lilflame the list goes on and on. Genesis 3 is currently the figure with the most wide spread and up to date support, from the broadest selection of vendors.

Is it "Artist Preference"? well yes and no. Most vendors will prefer to support the market leader due to viability of return on their investment in the creation of products. Making freebies for a niche market is an entirely different scenario though. Generally products become the market leader for a number of reasons, including increased capability and support and not least market appeal. I would say Artistic Preference is more an influence on those preferring to continue to create for V4 despite market indicators.

There are a wide range of add on products available that will keep your current content library viable if you do want to experiment with Genesis 3 and DS. There are only a few things that don't make the leap across, like figure material skins. Though it's worth noting that most are not configured for modern PBR renderers anyway (Iray or Superfly) and would need work in any recent app to look decent, including Poser 11.

More info about Genesis 3 is available here if you are interested: http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3

1. .duf is not an "older file type" it's the current file type for use with Daz Studio assets, it is generally a compressed file and has many applications within DS. More info about Daz Studio here: https://www.daz3d.com/daz_studio

2. Well like anything it's only a waste if you have no use for it. Different tools will help give you a broader range to your capabilities and expand your creative tool set. May I add that Daz Studio (Full version) and Genesis 3 Bases (Male and Female) are both free so there is no reason, if you're interested, that you cannot download and make your own assessment on which tools you prefer or suit your task better. Or even more mind blowing, use both Poser and Daz Studio for what they each do better! But if you do prefer a Birmingham Screwdriver for every task, that's also your prerogative. :)

The most important point is. To me there is no reason to "move" at all, just because you install Genesis it doesn't mean you need to delete V4. Or if you install DS that you need to uninstall Poser. You can have the best of both worlds and use each and every tool to help you create, without discounting anything due to some imaginary tribal division.

So Good luck, I hope you find what works best for you. But don't be afraid to try something new once in awhile. It can be quite refreshing and inspiring. And don't feel the need to restrict yourself to fit someone else's ideal of what is right for you. Only you can truly judge that.

Razor42 posted at 11:06AM Tue, 29 December 2015 - #4246102

1. .duf is not an "older file type" it's the current file type for use with Daz Studio assets, it is generally a compressed file and has many applications within DS. More info about Daz Studio here: https://www.daz3d.com/daz_studio

Whoops, my bad, keep mixing that up with an older format. thanks for the spank

Razor42 posted at 4:08PM Tue, 29 December 2015 - #4246102

The most important point is. To me there is no reason to "move" at all, just because you install Genesis it doesn't mean you need to delete V4. Or if you install DS that you need to uninstall Poser. You can have the best of both worlds and use each and every tool to help you create, without discounting anything due to some imaginary tribal division.

So Good luck, I hope you find what works best for you. But don't be afraid to try something new once in awhile. It can be quite refreshing and inspiring. And don't feel the need to restrict yourself to fit someone else's ideal of what is right for you. Only you can truly judge that.

Well naturally everyone's situation is different, for me I really don't get enough free time to play with Poser, much less learning an entirely new system like Daz Studio. At some point hopefully that will change and I'll have more time to devote to my 3d hobby.