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Subject: lose of wavefront app.


goofygrape ( ) posted Thu, 21 July 2016 at 5:54 PM · edited Mon, 20 January 2025 at 12:49 PM

the wave-front file extension has changed to 3d builder( a Microsoft print program )Kids put the program so to make printed objects. I uninstalled the program ,Bryce wont read any old .obj file. How do I get back the wave-front app or program?With out the app .obj Bryce won't import any .mlt .obj files. Any ideas about coming up with a program,how to get the wave-front.obj file's back?


BryceHoro ( ) posted Sat, 23 July 2016 at 1:08 PM

Strange. Bryce has its own OBJ import and export tools, they are in the folder Plugins (in the Bryce main folder) and are named OBJImport.bro and OBJExport.brb.


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 23 July 2016 at 9:23 PM

Bryce Horo; The problem is Bryce works good it's the obj files have a different application extension, when ou look at an obj file it's not an wavefront.obj file ,right now it comes up with the Bryce avatar. I'll try to post an image,next post . thank's


goofygrape ( ) posted Mon, 25 July 2016 at 8:01 PM

I've found out that all .obj files have changed to Bryce app? none will work in Bryce now. How to get the wavefront app back (wavefront.obj )?


LPR001 ( ) posted Wed, 27 July 2016 at 9:05 PM · edited Wed, 27 July 2016 at 10:43 PM

Hi Goofy

Can you provide a screenshot of a folder with a obj contained in it with the "view" set to details? There is a difference between the "Opens with" setting and the renaming of files and extensions. If the file ext has been changed I can point you in the direction of renaming software that can do this in bulk after testing a single obj of course to see if it solves this issue, however it is highly unusual for an application to change extensions on your hard drive. This would also present problems with your Daz, Poser etc content and it's obj's

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Wed, 27 July 2016 at 10:48 PM

LPR001; Yes it has effected all obj files,right now all .obj files have the Bryce app.Before it was Microsoft's 3d draw to print app,all obj files would only open with that app.When I deleted the app,object viewer replaced it.I put the Bryce app there to see if it would open the files.To say the least the file ext seem's to be changed. Goofy :}


LPR001 ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 12:36 AM

Okay so what you are describing this is more the "Opens with" than a crook file extension. If you open Bryce and import a obj does this work?

also

Screenshot (118).png

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 3:09 AM

Clipboard01.jpg I think this is what you need?


LPR001 ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 3:32 AM

I see there is no extension at all and the only OBJ in sight is in the naming. Notice how the material file has the extension. .mtl Even if it was a image file it would have the appropriate extension. So any obj file you open in your folders you see the same? (Just the name and nothing else)

Screenshot (119).png

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 3:58 AM

I guess so, I just didn't look close enough. Now what do I just add a dot?


LPR001 ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 4:06 AM

Given that you can hide extensions however I don't believe this is the part of this because the .mtl file is fully labelled. Can you go to that file "jill" right click on the (OBJ) Bryce icon and select properties at the bottom and get a screenie of the result?

What we are looking for is type of file which is right under title. where the red arrow is pointing. If you see the same as in my image then go back to the Bryce file jill and right click choose "Rename" and the jillOBJ part will highlight . Click just right of that and put .obj so it sits right where it should. You might get a popup telling you that changing an extension can make it unstable. Just accept/acknowledge this because there is nothing more unstable than no extension at all or at least it will never work in any software.

So in the above order check Properties to see it is actually identified as a obj file. If yes then the renaming of the one file to test it out. Even a file extension software requires a extension to go from to the new one

Screenshot (120)2.jpg

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


LPR001 ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 4:21 AM

Also note the OBJ in caps is not the extension and just part of the name so jillOBJ.obj is what you will want to see

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 1:59 PM

Clipboard01.jpg Here is the shot Can I get rid of the Bryce app ?


goofygrape ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 2:03 PM · edited Thu, 28 July 2016 at 2:05 PM

here is a better example Clipboard01.jpg this what all obj files look like,nothing will open them thank's for your help


LPR001 ( ) posted Thu, 28 July 2016 at 6:02 PM · edited Thu, 28 July 2016 at 6:41 PM

Okay Goofy

Good to see it is reading as .obj so the one on the jillOBJ might have been removed accidently. The Bryce app setting you can change easily but does not really make a lot of difference unless for example you had a 3D Modeling program you prefered it to open in. In the image you just posted (The Properties) you see the Bryce icon and next to that you can see "Change" you will be offered the most suitable and can scroll to bottom and choose to find application on PC if not shown.

  • But more important is if you look at the Properties box again and read what it says at the very bottom. If you were to get your mouse and check that "Unblock" box and click ok or "apply" if that comes up then you might find your issue solved. Only do this if you trust the source of the files but that is why they are failing to open.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Fri, 29 July 2016 at 4:40 PM

LPR001 What exactly am I to find or what properties item to open? when I open ether item in the above picture there is nothing at the bottom of the properties file to tic. Now I am really confused .:) as what to do next.is there a way to get the wavefront app back? Well my bad it's there I tic-ed it ,went to Bryce no go still wont open then.:( Clipboard01.jpg


LPR001 ( ) posted Fri, 29 July 2016 at 5:33 PM

See in your properties the file has been blocked from opening. Where I have put the arrow in image below there is a function where you can unblock the obj file.

file_140f6969d5213fd0ece03148e62e461e.jpg

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Fri, 29 July 2016 at 6:31 PM

sorry for the rambling .Idi that and Bryce still wont open them up,I'm going to try another app(program) to see if it will open.Ok tried propviewer and thy all open ,the ones I fixed as per your tips. Bryce still won't tho.


LPR001 ( ) posted Fri, 29 July 2016 at 7:08 PM

So if you open Bryce go File > Import Object and choose that file it won't open it?

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Fri, 29 July 2016 at 7:55 PM

Yes blank wont open any files with this .obj ending I do thank you for your time.


LPR001 ( ) posted Fri, 29 July 2016 at 8:28 PM

You don't have to worry about my time Goofy it is a forum and I am staff. Not only that I am really curious now LOL. Does it tell you it can't load file and is the preview window completely blank after load and you can still see the ground grid?

I can't see why these would not be in the plugins folder but we better check just in case. I have put the location above my text message in the screenshot to check for the two files. Make sure it is the x86 program files even if your computer is 64bit

Screenshot (127).png

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 12:58 AM · edited Sat, 30 July 2016 at 1:03 AM

yes it is the same as your 's I tried to open file in studio and poser Bryce will not open any anywhere ,under all folders that are obj's


LPR001 ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 1:52 AM

Okay it seems to me that the issue is not in Bryce but rather a shared dll(Possibly) file that has headed south, corrupted or tripping off the security warning. It does happen occasionally usually at install of another application. If you open Daz Studio then File>Import and choose a obj file (Try new obj not jillOBJ) When the File explorer is opened by Daz Studio first use the file extension drop down to force the explorer to only show the "Wavefront Object" files and nothing else. If you see a empty explorer box let me know, or hopefully you can just choose your new obj. First before load > Right click on chosen obj > Properties > if there is no mumbo jumbo at the bottom about the obj may be blocked that would be nice however if there is like the last one then check the "unblock" box so we know the security is not stopping it, do this all from within Daz.. Click open. This should cover everything leaving Bryce out of it for a test :-)

Screenshot (132).png

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 2:31 PM · edited Sat, 30 July 2016 at 2:33 PM

Yes it brings all files anywhere in the computer files with wavefront.obj,I looked all over to find one that would not work ,thy worked fine. Should I try hexagon or other's? seems like this night mare is starting to unfold. :) Hexagon works also


LPR001 ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 6:34 PM

It is a process of elimination goofy and by the time we replace your house, car and computer I just know we can get this sorted.

So when I scroll up here to the last screenshot you posted I still see the extension missing on the object file LI_Fractured_Wall. According to your properties on the previous files it indicates that they are from another computer and a filter is kicking in and therefore blocking it. Seems after unblocking you can open it in other applications so there is no reason why it should not work in Bryce. We need to isolate this and rule it out of why they are not opening in Bryce so we will now try a fresh local install of a prop. I have downloaded and tested a neat freebie prop and the link provided below.

Please download it to your "Downloads" folder and unzip it in there as well so it is all kept on the C:Drive.(you can always move it later) Open Bryce >Import select the C460.obj and open. (If you do not see the .obj extension in the file do the right click Properties>Unblock but let me know you had to do this because that will give us a direction to head in).

The prop link

Caudron C460 by Lucien_Lilippe

Make sure you can see the default ground grid so we know it is the right view. Hopefully we will see the same thing as in the screenshot below

Screenshot (135).png

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 7:45 PM

here is Bryce look seeClipboard08.jpg


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 7:46 PM

here is what it looks like when opening obj fileClipboard07.jpg


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 7:47 PM

Hey I'll give up the house truck (no car) everything but the dog ,to fix this . :)


LPR001 ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 9:40 PM

Mine certainly looks better :-) I would give everything of yours away but the dog to fix it too goofy. Again that no matching files in your second image indicates the .obj extension is missing even on a fresh download so Bryce has nothing to even look for.

So if you go to the downloaded folder via File Explorer do you see the files in there? Should be 22 files all up. And is the .obj extension in place and visible? If it wasn't for the fact the ext's are missing on the previous objects(In your File Explorer) I would recommend a reinstall of Bryce but I really feel this is a permissions or security issue because Bryce has no way of changing those files on your system even if it wanted to.

If you go to the file explorer and choose MY PC or This PC, whatever depending on Windows version and in the search box up at top right type in .obj (**don't forget the dot and don't let the Today, Tomorrow or Last Week get in the way just - Date Modified) and just let it search the hard drive I would be interested to know if it actually finds one other than the few you have altered during this debacle. If it does not then we might have to delve into the security and permissions.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 11:48 PM

Clipboard09.jpg

tihs is the open folder after downloaded .New install of Bryce last week just to make sure it was not the program,total clean install.


goofygrape ( ) posted Sat, 30 July 2016 at 11:55 PM

LPR001 I have window's 10 pro 64, I did as you suggested the computer came up with 100's of .obj files . starting with the C460 airplane obj. Oh by the way my name is Johnny G, funny family call me Big John since 1956, 6.6ft 275lbs


LPR001 ( ) posted Sun, 31 July 2016 at 12:28 AM

I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is your Bryce is in impeccable order. The bad news is something has gone horribly wrong with your extensions. I can see that under Type it is identifying the correct file types so it is not getting confused about it and knows what they are. I noticed the IrfanView PNG's look to be having the same issue.

Just another thought are you using Windows 10? I can't remember now but wasn't 3D Builder an included app that come with the OS? and did you remove it from the Program Files or the Command Prompt? I am pondering whether the removal has taken some core files with it or sent them south. There is no reason why 3D builder would interfere with Bryce and as I have pointed out the icon that appears on a file is just a prefered option to open remote from File Explorer and can be changed to suit Bryce or any other software. Importing from inside any software that handles the files does not care which software brand icon is showing

One option will be to reinstall this program and see if that helps unless the issue you are having with the OBJ's existed before you removed the 3D Builder

Now here is how mine looks and we both got the same file from here

Screenshot (141).png

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


LPR001 ( ) posted Sun, 31 July 2016 at 12:43 AM

Okay in between my novel you answered one question Windows 10 so I think the 3D Builder app come included with the OS so it makes me wonder whether it is worth reinstalling.

Actually you might not have to LOL I just looked at the reviews on it and apparently MS will reinstall it on your next update. They don't want you to delete it for some reason.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Sun, 31 July 2016 at 12:43 AM

AH yes I took it off and that is when this all started. Win 10 pro 64.I thought the grandkids put that on,my bad or what,I hate win 10 soo much. Were in the heck do you find that program?


LPR001 ( ) posted Sun, 31 July 2016 at 1:00 AM

Don't get me started on Windows 10 because life is too short. There are many features I quite like and they are improving the major bugs fairly quickly these days. But some of it defies logic. There may be some shared dll's included that may have caused this and at this stage anything is worth a try. I was just about to kick the program off one of the Windows 10 machines here to see if it took the gloss off the OBJ's. Here is a link to get the software. Hopefully it might make a difference

MS 3D Builder

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Mon, 01 August 2016 at 12:24 AM

I'm trying so far I can't get it to download,never fear we are going to us an other computer to night.


LPR001 ( ) posted Mon, 01 August 2016 at 1:00 AM

Makes you wonder if there is not some artifacts from the previous uninstall because the proper way to be rid of a MS pre installed app is through the Command Prompt but as I said yesterday MS will try put it back on in the next update. They can't have you making all the decisions LOL.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


goofygrape ( ) posted Mon, 01 August 2016 at 2:14 AM

ya that is so true


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