Another added bonus is that one can always depend on DAZ to drop their prices on a lot of V4/M4 content (1300+ items) - like right now - $4.00 ea.

The best part, look for the bundled content at the same price. You will reap the benefits of getting several different packages dirt cheap, including V4 and M4 base with Morph ++.

And this is the conundrum for vendors.

Making content for V4 means they are competing with every vendor that has ever made content for V4. So it has to either be better than the best of what was made (economic value of the 2nd item), or it has to be something that hasn't been made (And yes, there is A LOT of areas that haven't been covered - I could really, really use male and female clothing from the '20's. Women didn't actually run around in flapper dresses every single day; and in the '50's adult fashion didn't remotely match what teenagers wore - which isn't available either.)

Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow).

"Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)."

Actually, DS workflow allows you to fit even more existing clothing to new figures via clones. They don't really need an extensive wardrobe. I can fit V3 content to Genesis 1, 2 or 3 if I want. So it's not only Poser workflow that can use clothing they already own. Just to add, new revisions of clothes are released specifically take advantage of the new shapes for support and has better materials. Also fitting those existing clothing in DS is way easier than having to deal with the fitting room. Thanks.

MartinX posted at 9:54PM Wed, 03 August 2016 - #4278579

"Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)."

Actually, DS workflow allows you to fit even more existing clothing to new figures via clones. They don't really need an extensive wardrobe. I can fit V3 content to Genesis 1, 2 or 3 if I want. So it's not only Poser workflow that can use clothing they already own. Just to add, new revisions of clothes are released specifically take advantage of the new shapes for support and has better materials.

Really? What kind of materials?

Iray support, updated textures, and most of them come with added clothing morphs that wasn't there before. But to brand a re-release just for the sake of a re-release is unfair. Some people, put effort in an updated version.

MartinX posted at 3:59AM Thu, 04 August 2016 - #4278579

"Later figures don't have any where near the extensive wardrobe, so vendors can simply rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)."

Actually, DS workflow allows you to fit even more existing clothing to new figures via clones. They don't really need an extensive wardrobe. I can fit V3 content to Genesis 1, 2 or 3 if I want. So it's not only Poser workflow that can use clothing they already own. Just to add, new revisions of clothes are released specifically take advantage of the new shapes for support and has better materials. Also fitting those existing clothing in DS is way easier than having to deal with the fitting room. Thanks.

Using clones for fitting will only work for specific genesis figures. Fitting room will fit clothes to any figure. New material fits are for DS only, so of little use for Poser users.

I am arguing the workflow statement that was made, which is false, because I can fit older clothing on new figures. Thanks.

MartinX posted at 8:15AM Thu, 04 August 2016 - #4278585

I am arguing the workflow statement that was made, which is false, because I can fit older clothing on new figures. Thanks.

I'm sorry, I don't think the statement was false, although I will concede that it may depend on what your interpretation of the word "rework" means. To me, and I'm assuming the poster, the term does mean to "update" since they're not really making new mesh but refitting the old one to include the new figure shape.

And granted, the Fitting Room may be more "involved" but it is also far more varied in what figures it will support.

Why don't we just call this a "draw" since both systems have obvious pros and cons?

" rework earlier content and sell it again (DS based workflow), or the potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Psr based workflow)"

My issue with this statement is that the latter applies to DS as well, and is not a Poser ONLY workflow. So it should not be classified as one that only applies to Poser. I don't really care what system has pros and cons. There are two aspects mentioned. 1. That in DS the workflow is to buy and resell content and that you can't convert clothing, and that you can only convert clothing in Poser, as described. Had the poster said "potential customers can convert the clothing they already own (Poser and DS), then there is no issue.

Keep it on topic. No point in arguing anything as it will get this thread closed and get people in trouble. Besides, I think we're all tired of the software war.

Do you still use V4?

Yes, I still use V4.

3dcheapskate posted at 10:11AM Fri, 05 August 2016 - #4278778

Yes, I still use V4.

What do you use her for?

EClark1894 posted at 10:46AM Sat, 06 August 2016 - #4278800

3dcheapskate posted at 10:11AM Fri, 05 August 2016 - #4278778

Yes, I still use V4.

What do you use her for?

Rendering images of the the model I would imagine.

I have also been away from Poser for probably six years now but just came back to it and have been using V4 mostly because I cannot get the Genesis things to work at all - I have Daz Studio and they work in that but I don't like using Daz that much so V4 it is. Working on creating my first character morph for V4 since god only knows when. I - this is one version of her, I have two different faces, two different bodies and working on eyes and whatnot now. Anyway so yeah I have been doing a lot of searching for stuff for V4 - and a lot of it is fairly old.

EClark1894 posted at 4:20PM Tue, 06 September 2016 - #4278800

3dcheapskate posted at 10:11AM Fri, 05 August 2016 - #4278778

Yes, I still use V4.

What do you use her for?

Her ? I thought you meant V4...

(and no, it didn't take me a month to think up that answer! ;o)

and there's V3 and A3 still going - check out today's list of reduced prices over at the opposition; I've just collected quite a few nice bits and pieces for them and V4 for under $5 each.

Hey, TrekkirGrrrl, been using your stuff almost as long as I have used Poser.

I still use V4, M4 and even V3 and M3 and older depending on what I do - but I don't use never figures due to limitation in Poser. I probably will use Gen4 until something happens, whatever that might be -- another company makes a native Poser figure, Poser cease to be or whatever. Spent a lot of money of that generation of figures and I like it. I have, in splurges, tried DS but while I do like some thing there are other things that just frustrates me.

So, in short -- and again -- V4 for life, ha.

No. Years ago when Genesis came out I fell in love immediately, so I switched to Genesis, then Genesis 2. For Genesis 3, I don't use as much.

Thank you for coming back OP. Right now I'm getting ready to purchase a large amount of V4/M4 stuff in a Prime sale. I'm jazzed. V4/M4 are still my favorites (even though Pauline/Paul are coming up close behind).

EClark1894 posted at 7:32PM Mon, 03 October 2016 - #4278800

3dcheapskate posted at 10:11AM Fri, 05 August 2016 - #4278778

Yes, I still use V4.

What do you use her for?

a frying pan... or an occasional table.. or a daffodil...

I usually using only V4 and all my renders in gallery has been rendered in Poser with V4,regarding other figures,I use Genesis,but not so much although some scenes I made with them,but they're just only few

Thanks,Jura