I'm thinking about upgrading to Poser 11 and maybe making some new products for Pauline (clothes, shoes, jewellery etc.)

Is there a demand in such products? Do people use her? Let me know please

Although most of the products for her are at CP, there is a growing following for Pauline (and I hope Paul). She isn't perfect ... before someone comes in and points out a ll her flaws ... but members are offering "fixes" for that and some of her characters are exquisite. She has a unique face that makes for variety and if you are use to the facial bones like Genesis 3 has you will be pleasantly surprised that she has this feature, allowing more naturalistic expressions. Her mesh, maps etc. can be used as merchant resources to expand and create market products. So all this can open even more doors for vendors. Also I for one am a resource for any questions on P11 since I'm a bit of a power user. (read obsessed fanatic).

Render On!!

Hi Boni,

I think nobody is perfect - not in the real world and not in the 3D world

I've seen some of the characters and I really like what I've seen. That 's the reason I may be interested in making something for her

Have a great weekend!

Kerstin

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is with Genesis 3. DAZ keeps cranking out characters every month, but they all look alike to me. Heck, at least make them different races. I'd like to see more of that for all the figures, including Paul and Pauline.

Clark, I'm with you there! Good point!! (I have a rainbow of characters in my runtime!)

I'd love to see Pauline get the sort of stuff every girl should have in her wardrobe, you know the sort of things, a full suit of amour, a futuristic space suit, something to wear after the apocalypse. (And the same goes for Paul)

make something killer they can't live with out n it won't matter what character it's for.

Honestly I'm not sure what opinions on Daz 3D's character releases for the Genesis 3 figure range have to do with a question regarding market demand for Pauline products? Seems a little like flame baiting to me? Which seems to be allowed here as long as it's only directed in one direction. Anyways...

@karanta if your curious as to the market demand for Pauline content in the Renderosity Marketplace, I would suggest starting at the Whats Hot page here and see how many products for Pauline are making it into the top selling products list. This is pretty much the clearest market data indicator available as to what is currently selling based on platform/figure base and works like a leader board of the number of product sales. You can change the data capture range from weekly to Now, Monthly, Yearly.1+ Year and 3+ Years to check trends across time.

<=====WHATS HOT LINK====>

I did a quick count out of the** top 40 selling products** in the weekly range compiling into a figure base split. These were the results.

Multi figure(Including Genesis 3,V4 & Pauline): 1 Product

Victoria 4: 7 Products

Genesis 3: 25 Products

Non figure specific: 7 Products

The statistics indicate there may be some demand for Pauline items but that it's fairly safe to say that demand is still lower than current demand for Victoria 4 items and is a long way behind the demand for Genesis 3 content, at least here in the Renderosity Market place. Looking at longer term trends for example the 1+ Year in the WHATS HOT list there is not a single Pauline product listed and again Genesis 3 products are clearly the dominant figure in demand over the longer term ranges.

I also checked the New Release section and there have been a few products for Pauline released around the same time as the other items that are currently in the Weekly Whats Hot list but they seem to of failed to make it into the list themselves, when put against the other products sales. This may indicate fairly low demand for Pauline products at least in comparison to the products aimed at other figures in the market.

If you want to add an additional data indicator you can also look at Free Stuff Section which has a Most Wanted and Trending Now section which would also give an indicator as to the Market demand based on supported figure and a quick look there today would seem to directly correlate the above numbers, with a heavy demand for Genesis 3 content from the Free Stuff down loaders here.

But I would encourage you to develop for whichever figure you do enjoy creating content for, especially if the monetary return is not your number 1 priority. And I am sure if you do choose to support Pauline you would find a niche group that would be very happy to see that content support provided for her.

was checking out Pauline again today. I can't seem to find many face morphs for her. She has a lot of little morphs that, I'm guessing, you have to put together to make smiles, frowns, etc. I don't have time to build my own expressions so it would seem that would be a useful product. I have seen one expression pack in the shop but really need more.

Pauline and Paul are now developer meshes as well, if I am not mistaken. People with Poser Pro 11 can use the tools to make lots of variations for them, as well as to fit clothing and so on. I think in the end, a lot of DIY-capable folk will be making their own content. However, there is a large segment of Poser users who do not yet know what to do with modelling and modification utilities, and they will be the ones who may need add-ons. Well-created add-ons (clothing, characters, poses) will always be welcome and appreciated even by folks who can make their own content for Pauline (and Paul). There'll be some support for good quality products.

"She has a unique face that makes for variety and if you are use to the facial bones like Genesis 3 has you will be pleasantly surprised that she has this feature, allowing more naturalistic expressions."

My personal observation is that this claim of more natural expression due to Face bones is more marketing hype than reality. This includes claims made about G3 or pauline

The people who state this Never have any actual comparsion examples to show the alleged "superiority" of face bones for expressions and certainly not for animated lipsync.

Which to me is a clear indicator that they are simply parroting something they saw others say/post in various forums.

Face bones Might be useful if you plan to export your Poser or DAZ figure as FBX to another program or game engine and plan to MANUALLY animate lipsync and facial expressions in those other platforms.

For Cross platform, talking characters,however you do NOT actually need a boned face rig as there are professional software solutions to implement lipsync across various platforms with various Figure rigs as Demontrated in this 7 minute Demo Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxG3UdbZIKU

wolf359 posted at 10:58AM Sun, 09 October 2016 - #4286169

"She has a unique face that makes for variety and if you are use to the facial bones like Genesis 3 has you will be pleasantly surprised that she has this feature, allowing more naturalistic expressions."

My personal observation is that this claim of more natural expression due to Face bones is more marketing hype than reality. This includes claims made about G3 or pauline

The people who state this Never have any actual comparsion examples to show the alleged "superiority" of face bones for expressions and certainly not for animated lipsync.

Which to me is a clear indicator that they are simply parroting something they saw others say/post in various forums.

Face bones Might be useful if you plan to export your Poser or DAZ figure as FBX to another program or game engine and plan to MANUALLY animate lipsync and facial expressions in those other platforms.

For Cross platform, talking characters,however you do NOT actually need a boned face rig as there are professional software solutions to implement lipsync across various platforms with various Figure rigs as Demontrated in this 7 minute Demo Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxG3UdbZIKU

Actually your claim is false and shows a lack of understanding of figure development. The bones in the face allows more variation in expressions, but more importantly because expressions aren't morph-based, it doesn't change the look of the face morph which is a big issue with morphed type of expressions. With morph expressions, you could start with a custom morph but with expressions dialed in the morph will start looking like the default morph. With facial bones expressions, if you don't like the expression from the dial you can manipulate the bone to modify it on the fly, rather than just dialing a tiny portion of the expression with the morph-based ones.

You folks are at it again. The OP simply ask for 'demand for Pauline product. Not about Pauline's features compared to G3F, V4 or what not. I would love to see Karanta create products for Pauline. Please DONOT hi-jack this thread and turn it into an app or figure war. If you want to discuss the figures comparisons, start your own thread.

Thank you in advance for understanding

BTW I use all figures, V4 Dawn G2,G3, and I want to incorporate Pauline into my doodles.

Razor42 posted at 3:42PM Sun, 09 October 2016 - #4286136

Honestly I'm not sure what opinions on Daz 3D's character releases for the Genesis 3 figure range have to do with a question regarding market demand for Pauline products? Seems a little like flame baiting to me? Which seems to be allowed here as long as it's only directed in one direction. Anyways...

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Every time anyone says anything the least little critical of DAZ one of you guys pop up.

"Hey, how are you supposed to know what the letters in DAZ stand for?"

"Flame bait! Flame bait! Teacher, I've been triggered! They're flame baiting me!"

Give it a rest, guys. You're one of the reasons why I really don't like posting here any more.

**You folks are at it again. The OP simply ask for 'demand for Pauline product. Not about Pauline's features compared to G3F, V4 or what not. I would love to see Karanta create products for Pauline. Please DONOT hi-jack this thread and turn it into an app or figure war. If you want to discuss the figures comparisons, start your own thread.

Thank you in advance for understanding

BTW I use all figures, V4 Dawn G2,G3, and I want to incorporate Pauline into my doodles.**

I think it make sense to make references to other figures in order to give Karanta any useful feedback. Otherwise she will just get a few yes and no answers from people based on their personal view on Pauline. Which is not very useful i think, because the fact is that she is competing with these other characters. As Razor42 mentioned in his post which shows the number of popular products for varies figures tells something about whether there is a demand or not, or at least indications. Looking at galleries and seeing how often Pauline is used compared to Genesis etc. give an impression of how popular she is i think. Eventually it gets somewhat relevant why there might be a higher demand for Genesis 3 and V4 compared to Pauline, which again lead to comparing the different characters, Personally I see no problem in that, its like comparing cars in my opinion, some like a certain type, others dont. But in the end I think that its useful for Karanta when deciding or trying to figure out whether she will go for it or not.

BTW, Karanta, I need dresses and skirts, boots and shoes, and clothes and jewelry for both Dawn and Pauline.

Come to think of it, do accessories like jewelry and purses really sell all that well? I don't really see a lot of it for sale anywhere? (He said, while he's modeling a wristwatch for Dawn)

EClark1894 posted at 11:25AM Mon, 10 October 2016 - #4286207

Razor42 posted at 3:42PM Sun, 09 October 2016 - #4286136

Honestly I'm not sure what opinions on Daz 3D's character releases for the Genesis 3 figure range have to do with a question regarding market demand for Pauline products? Seems a little like flame baiting to me? Which seems to be allowed here as long as it's only directed in one direction. Anyways...

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Every time anyone says anything the least little critical of DAZ one of you guys pop up.

"Hey, how are you supposed to know what the letters in DAZ stand for?"

"Flame bait! Flame bait! Teacher, I've been triggered! They're flame baiting me!"

Give it a rest, guys. You're one of the reasons why I really don't like posting here any more.

I apologise E, I was just trying to avoid seeing another thread descend into a potential argument that really is OT. I'm really not sure what it is that you're expecting from your comment? If I was to approach this thread in such a way as to point out why Genesis 3 was a better figure than Pauline it would be viewed as OT and flame baiting? Yet, when it's put in a way that places Genesis 3 and Daz 3D negatively, its termed as a 'Good Point!". It would of been just as easy to make your point about a figures racial diversity being a strong factor for market take up, without even mentioning Genesis 3 or Daz 3D negatively, would it not?

Because the "DAZ guys", as you not the least bit patronisingly or divisively describe them, are in a position here where saying something the least bit critical of Poser could see them facing warnings and bans from mods. For creating trouble of course. Plus responding to any direct criticism of Daz 3D's content or Daz Studio could see them facing bans or warnings. Why? For creating an argument from someone's opinion of course.

So the only course left here is, instead of directly responding to negative criticisms or offering counter arguments to them. Is to just call it flame baiting, possibly report it,and then move on. I'm not sure what you would prefer to be honest? Would you prefer a detailed counter argument that is likely to just end up with someone receiving a warning for offering that counter opinion when it descends, as per usual, into an argument? Or are you saying that you feel you should just be able to just say whatever you would like and anyone who disagrees with your opinion is just ruining your vibe here or causing arguments? Even when you are offering an opinion that is directly critical, somewhat negative and likely refutable by others.

"Personally, I don't see what the big deal is with Genesis 3. DAZ keeps cranking out characters every month, but they all look alike to me. Heck, at least make them different races."

In answer to your original question I could of answered, well Daz 3D have released a lot of variation and options for the Genesis figure range. Including Age Variability (Young to Old morphing capability), HD details (Including skin creases and age lines) Weight control (Emaciated to morbidly obese), Character style (Realistic to Cartoon) and also a diverse range of racial characteristics including skin tonal ranged textures and physical characteristics. In fact in my opinion the Daz3D range of figures has more diversity than any other figure currently available in the market, that I can see? Care to point out which race or character type you are not seeing? Maybe I can help you out and point you to a product that would fit your requirements in this area?

But you really don't want to hear that do you? So there is no point that I can see in entering into a discussion about it, especially in a thread about market demand for Pauline content.

Apologies for the rant and going OT.

Razor42 posted at 10:37PM Sun, 09 October 2016 - #4286232

EClark1894 posted at 11:25AM Mon, 10 October 2016 - #4286207

Razor42 posted at 3:42PM Sun, 09 October 2016 - #4286136

Honestly I'm not sure what opinions on Daz 3D's character releases for the Genesis 3 figure range have to do with a question regarding market demand for Pauline products? Seems a little like flame baiting to me? Which seems to be allowed here as long as it's only directed in one direction. Anyways...

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I apologise E, I was just trying to avoid seeing another thread descend into a potential argument that really is OT. I'm really not sure what it is that you're expecting from your comment? If I was to approach this thread in such a way as to point out why Genesis 3 was a better figure than Pauline it would be viewed as OT and flame baiting? Yet, when it's put in a way that places Genesis 3 and Daz 3D negatively, its termed as a 'Good Point!". It would of been just as easy to make your point about a figures racial diversity being a strong factor for market take up, without even mentioning Genesis 3 or Daz 3D negatively, would it not?

Because the "DAZ guys", as you not the least bit patronisingly or divisively describe them, are in a position here where saying something the least bit critical of Poser could see them facing warnings and bans from mods. For creating trouble of course. Plus responding to any direct criticism of Daz 3D's content or Daz Studio could see them facing bans or warnings. Why? For creating an argument from someone's opinion of course.

So the only course left here is, instead of directly responding to negative criticisms or offering counter arguments to them. Is to just call it flame baiting, possibly report it,and then move on. I'm not sure what you would prefer to be honest? Would you prefer a detailed counter argument that is likely to just end up with someone receiving a warning for offering that counter opinion when it descends, as per usual, into an argument? Or are you saying that you feel you should just be able to just say whatever you would like and anyone who disagrees with your opinion is just ruining your vibe here or causing arguments? Even when you are offering an opinion that is directly critical, somewhat negative and likely refutable by others.

"Personally, I don't see what the big deal is with Genesis 3. DAZ keeps cranking out characters every month, but they all look alike to me. Heck, at least make them different races."

In answer to your original question I could of answered, well Daz 3D have released a lot of variation and options for the Genesis figure range. Including Age Variability (Young to Old morphing capability), HD details (Including skin creases and age lines) Weight control (Emaciated to morbidly obese), Character style (Realistic to Cartoon) and also a diverse range of racial characteristics including skin tonal ranged textures and physical characteristics. In fact in my opinion the Daz3D range of figures has more diversity than any other figure currently available in the market, that I can see? Care to point out which race or character type you are not seeing? Maybe I can help you out and point you to a product that would fit your requirements in this area?

But you really don't want to hear that do you? So there is no point that I can see in entering into a discussion about it, especially in a thread about market demand for Pauline content.

Apologies for the rant and going OT.

Razor, I never mentioned you (at all) OR DAZ in a negative or critical way. Certainly, I never referred to you as the "DAZ Guys", I just offered an opinion in response to Boni, who, I point out, was the one who brought up Genesis 3 in this thread, not me. Oh, and I never asked any question, so I really don't need an answer.

Ok, lets not argue mate. I have a lot of respect for you and your work and maybe I was being a little overly defensive. And you are right, you did not specifically say ""DAZ guys"" it was just kind of implied in your statement and a sentiment that is quite common around here. I must say though I did find your comment was specifically aimed at Daz 3D with a negative slant on the diversity of their character releases. With which I do disagree.

Are you saying that you don't need any help finding a Genesis 3 racial character type then? ;)

As a long time fan of your work Karanta, and as someone who's poised to pick up Tempesta's Altea for Pauline at CP tomorrow (or actually later today), I'd love to see more clothes and jewelry for her.

Back on the topic of Pauline product demand, a direct comparison to Genesis 3 is pretty essential imo. (If it is constructive in nature.)

Generally when launching a product, consideration of the market leader(s) is a key part in creating a product strategy that will be competitive or even lead to a product that will surpass the competitor's offerings, assessing what the market leaders are getting right but also what they're getting wrong and then building from that is crucial part of any product development.

SM did directly do this, which is obvious, in the fact that they have incorporated the facial rigging which is similar to the arguably market leading Genesis 3 figure from DAZ 3D. SM also tried to up the game a bit by making the figure base a merchant resource which does offer some advantage to the skilled users out there. And working to make the figure base easier to create for for the again the more skilled Poser users. Pauline is in essence is a good figure and has some clear advantages for Poser users being a native Poser figure in itself and is worth supporting especially for those that have a clear preference for Poser above other platforms.

From what I can see Pauline does face a few major hurdles if their is a real desire for it to progress to being a mainstream vendor supportable product, the majority of people make an assessment before buying into or broadly adopting a figure range as to the amount of support content that is available for that figure. Likewise vendors need to constantly assess their direction and what they are spending their time creating if they want to continue with this type of work in a professional capacity. This creates the dilemma for Pauline.

Current content creators for Pauline have a rather niche market IMO for their products, which may lead to a professional creator switching to a figure with a greater market share to increase their sales and the return on their work. As sales are currently likely to be lower than for other base figures that are available, making it more of a labour of love then a real professional base for content creation. Though Pauline's market share amongst product buyers and users is unlikely to increase without an increase in the amount of content available and greater support from content creators. This leaves content creators primarily creating loss leader type products that will see little financial return for themselves but increase the pool of support for Pauline and may increase sales of Poser and Pauline products in the longer term. This isn't an ideal situation for anyone who is creating on a full time basis as it is a very clearly defined risk. Creators would essentially be working on the premise that things may improve in the future but to expect lower sales in the mid to short term that would be possible when supporting other figures.

Another major issue that is both a benefit for Poser users but can be detrimental to content creators. Is the skilled up Poser groups that don't really purchase a great deal of items these days as they either have the skills to create for themselves or much prefer using Poser in a more mechanical method. This behaviour is very positive for those Poser users and is an asset to the Poser platform in itself, but can lead to a dry up in vendors and contributors that do create professionally for the native Poser figures, who do seem to be moving away to more fertile figure bases these days. Unfortunately the impact of this is that vendors are not just making that occasionally desirable and widely usable product that all Poser users would want, it generally means dropping all support for the figure completely and occasionally the platform itself. So in effect fewer products are made as the risk is too high for vendors. So you don't see those products that everyone wants, even those that create content for themselves or can up cycle older products would want to purchase. This is an unfortunate side effect in the strength of the DIY Poser culture and the maturity of a rather large portion of the user base which have purchased a wealth of content over the years and have some serious buyer fatigue from what I can tell. Unfortunately this can leave Poser being seen as little inaccessible for new users and the people that do want to see a strong market in content availability for its figures. These factors creates a very real dilemma for those that do really want to support Paul and Pauline in a professional capacity but find the risks or lack of returns seriously impedes this from happening.

@Razor42 Well said.

There is ,however, a factor that makes the wide spread adoption of Pauline/Paul an even more Daunting task.

That being that they only ship with poser 11 AFAIK And poser 11 Comes at a Cost.

The OP of this thread has,in my view , Asked the wrong question.

The more useful query or poll is:

How many of you have $$upgraded$$ to poser 11 ?

Any potential market pool for pauline specific products will have to consist of poser 11 users.

A quick look at the Sub Forum activity is a bit telling.

In the Poser 11 Forum you see 17 active threads

A break down of the actual post subjects reveals 23 posts by Nerd ,the product manager for SM and his post number runs a close second to a thread about.......

DAZ Victoria 4 that has 26 posts

Followed by a wishlist thread with 6 posts about the Cloth room (not even poser 11 specific.)

You see Genesis 3 is not even a real Factor in the Pauline question IMO. The true conundrum is Pauline having to compete with every previous bought and paid for version of poser back to poser 4 along with DAZ Vicky 4 and her 11 years of legacy content.

Hi everybody

thanks for your opinion. Much appreciated!

Making Genesis OR Pauline stuff was not really my question. There is so much stuff for Genesis females out there that I will not make something for them. And I think there is room for Daz AND Poser products in the world I don't understand why there can not be a friendly coexistence (is that the corrct word?) for both.

I had a look at the stores before I asked my question here, but it's difficult to see if there is interest in Pauline stuff because there is nearly nothing available. A few characters but very few clothes, shoes, props. I can not compare a handful items for Pauline with a lot of stuff for Genesis or endless stuff for V4. Usually I have fun making something for the figures which don't get so much support and that's the reason I supported even figures like Judy, Jessi 1, Alyson looooong ago It's not all about the money

I just wanted to know if there is interest in Pauline prodcuts or not :) Maybe (or maybe not) Genesis is nicer, better or whatever - but that was not my question.

So thanks everybody and have a great day!

And please excuse my bad English - if I wrote something which sounds strange / unfriendly or so - that was not my intention.

Kerstin

Ps. Hi Miss B - you made me Thanks for your kind comment. It's a long time ago that I made something and I thought nobody remembers me any more. Time goes by so quick.

Paul and Pauline main problems are the rigging. No clothing or support item can change that. They just do not bend well.

As a simple example : Try to get a strap to stay ON the collars.

Lower the arms and the straps go flying. :-)

Giving a point of reference isn't "baiting", Razor, Clark ... you both seem to have a slight personality conflict going. You both make great points, no one is baiting or trashing DAZ in saying the characters look similar ... take a deep breath. We can all be friends here.

Wardrobe Wizard ensures that Pauline and Paul have extensive wardrobes using V4/M4 and Dawn/Dusk products, and the fitting room makes some Genesis 2 items transferable. I think there would be demand for shoes and boots for both figures because conversion rarely works for those items. I know I would buy them.

Keep in mind that you need the V4, M4, Dawn, Dusk add-ons for Wardrobe wizard to accept the fittings. The fitting room however can go between any figures. Be careful of drapings, skirts and such, they do need tweaked. But these are all good tools.

karanta posted at 2:09PM Tue, 11 October 2016 - #4286267

Hi everybody

thanks for your opinion. Much appreciated!

Making Genesis OR Pauline stuff was not really my question. There is so much stuff for Genesis females out there that I will not make something for them. And I think there is room for Daz AND Poser products in the world I don't understand why there can not be a friendly coexistence (is that the corrct word?) for both.

I had a look at the stores before I asked my question here, but it's difficult to see if there is interest in Pauline stuff because there is nearly nothing available. A few characters but very few clothes, shoes, props. I can not compare a handful items for Pauline with a lot of stuff for Genesis or endless stuff for V4. Usually I have fun making something for the figures which don't get so much support and that's the reason I supported even figures like Judy, Jessi 1, Alyson looooong ago It's not all about the money

I just wanted to know if there is interest in Pauline prodcuts or not :) Maybe (or maybe not) Genesis is nicer, better or whatever - but that was not my question.

So thanks everybody and have a great day!

And please excuse my bad English - if I wrote something which sounds strange / unfriendly or so - that was not my intention.

Kerstin

Ps. Hi Miss B - you made me Thanks for your kind comment. It's a long time ago that I made something and I thought nobody remembers me any more. Time goes by so quick.

Well, we already know that the users here use Poser 11 (about 40%). The vendors otoh, don't seem willing to give up Poser 7 and a Poser 4 workflow.

The workflow is also different.

Since it is a snap to convert V4 shirts, pants & dresses to Pauline via the fitting room, you would need to come up with something that we don't already have.

Shoes.

Lots and lots of shoes.

If you do decide to do conforming clothing, please give us a version of the clothing that DOESN'T have any character morphs. We can add the ones we need via the Copy Morphs From command.

not me.

wouldnt mind shopping a bit for Mikki3 or Anastasia or Tyler

ssgbryan posted at 4:08PM Wed, 12 October 2016 - #4286447

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Shoes.

Lots and lots of shoes.

If you do decide to do conforming clothing, please give us a version of the clothing that DOESN'T have any character morphs. We can add the ones we need via the Copy Morphs From command.

Ok shoes are on my list now

I like making shoes

You would really prefer to have clothes without bodymorphs? Wow - that's nice! That would save me a huge amount of work. I always do all morphs in Cinema 4D because I like to have nice and smooth morphs.

Unpractical ;) shoes like this:

or more the everyday style?

Let's.just say that most female figures have a choice ranging from thigh-high boots through ankle boots, pumps and sling-backs, flats, and athletic shoes. With a current supply of almost nothing, whatever pleases you the most will hit some mark!

karanta posted at 6:47PM Wed, 12 October 2016 - #4286549

ssgbryan posted at 4:08PM Wed, 12 October 2016 - #4286447

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Shoes.

Lots and lots of shoes.

If you do decide to do conforming clothing, please give us a version of the clothing that DOESN'T have any character morphs. We can add the ones we need via the Copy Morphs From command.

Ok shoes are on my list now

I like making shoes

You would really prefer to have clothes without bodymorphs? Wow - that's nice! That would save me a huge amount of work. I always do all morphs in Cinema 4D because I like to have nice and smooth morphs.

Unpractical ;) shoes like this:

or more the everyday style?

Well, he is right. Poser 11 is the only Poser Pauline will work properly in. Maybe it will work in P10 too. But both versions have a copy morphs feature, so any user can simply copy the morphs from a figure into the clothing on their own.

karanta posted at 6:49PM Wed, 12 October 2016 - #4286267

Ps. Hi Miss B - you made me Thanks for your kind comment. It's a long time ago that I made something and I thought nobody remembers me any more. Time goes by so quick.

My pleasure Karanta, and it's good to see you getting back into 3D.

karanta posted at 3:04PM Fri, 14 October 2016 - #4286549

Ok shoes are on my list now :smile Unpractical ;) shoes like this:

or more the everyday style?

Yes. ? Fitting Room conversions are nice, if using conforming clothing. But nothing beats conforming clothing that has been tweaked by the modeler.

The thing is, people don't really use the tools available to them.

Example - the reason I say don't add character morphs is because

1. The odds that that particular dial spun character will have all the same morphs in the clothing is pretty much zero.
2. It is easier to convert the dial spin to a FBM (via the dials to single morph command - which has been hidden away in Wardrobe Wizard for years) and insert it into the clothing myself; it also makes the clothing lighter, memory-wise. That is important when moving away from a single figure scene. I am convinced that I am the only person that uses it.

If some of the advise here was followed nothing would be made for poser except for v4, and that wouldn't include any morphs. But only the pro versions of poser have the copy morphs and fitting room so everybody else would be kept very busy with the morph brush. Yes you can use ww to ad morphs to clothing but again it's extra steps for those of us who just want to make pictures and have limited time. I go to work and get paid to do stuff I'm reasonably good at so I can afford to buy stuff made by people who can do things I'm not good at! So please Karanta, make some stuff for Pauline, and (unless it's really bland) you'll get some of my money!

So the entire community should be held up because you don't want to learn anything? Not to mention all of the extra work you are making for the vendors?

I don't think that is the selling point you think it is.

AFA time, it takes far longer to delete all of those useless morphs than it does to click Copy Morphs From in the Pro version or to do the same action when using D3D's Morphing Clothes add on (for those that didn't buy the pro version).

The best way to speed up your workflow is to let go of the Poser 4 way of doing things.

If you use pmds then you don't have to delete any morphs, because they are stored in a separate file and only referenced by the cr2, which means there is virtually no file bloat for unneeded morphs, aside from a single line of code that references said morph. (Unlike injection morphs that have to be in the cr2 in order to work). Their dials can be tucked neatly away in collapsible menus. Creating two versions of a product is actually more work, and can cause confusion where customers aren't sure which version to use, or frustration when they load the wrong one. Plus, clothing often requires adjustment/movement morphs so that it can be posed correctly.

I don't see anything wrong with the idea of having two versions however, if a vendor wants to take the extra steps necessary to include it. There are good and bad points for both approaches. It's just that content needs to be made to encompass the widest range of uses by those buying it, and it seems to me that including all the morphs in a single piece makes the most sense, as that way they can be used or not used as necessary. Plus, the transfer morphs feature does not always work that great, depending on the piece/type of clothing you're working with. Some vendors like to create detailed fitting morphs, so that their clothing looks as good as it can as often as possible. That's not something that transfer morphs will accomplish. Since there isn't a lot of content available for Pauline right now anyway, it shouldn't be too difficult to include all the morphs that currently do exist.

And also, the "Spawn Morph Target" option has always been there in the figure menu in Poser, at least in the Pro versions, and I'm pretty sure it goes back as far as P7. It creates a new single morph from all the morph dials with a value higher than 0.000. Once that's done you can delete any of the other unneeded dials (including the ones the new morph was made from) if you don't like them being in the parameters menu, but that is mostly just for aesthetics, since it isn't actually in the cr2, if you're using pmd files.

Sorry no, not for me. Waiting for Bella, PE and also for Venus and Orion.

-Timberwolf- posted at 4:43PM Mon, 17 October 2016 - #4286965

Sorry no, not for me. Waiting for Bella, PE and also for Venus and Orion.

Hmm, I thought Erogenesis gave up on Project E... or did I misunderstand?

Well as far as I understood, he gave up it first, but most issues he had, got fixed with SR5. So it will take a while and his comics are priority, but PE is back as a possible release. So there is still hope.

karanta posted at 2:02PM Sun, 23 October 2016 - #4286549

ssgbryan posted at 4:08PM Wed, 12 October 2016 - #4286447

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Shoes.

Lots and lots of shoes.

If you do decide to do conforming clothing, please give us a version of the clothing that DOESN'T have any character morphs. We can add the ones we need via the Copy Morphs From command.

Ok shoes are on my list now

I like making shoes

You would really prefer to have clothes without bodymorphs? Wow - that's nice! That would save me a huge amount of work. I always do all morphs in Cinema 4D because I like to have nice and smooth morphs.

Unpractical ;) shoes like this:

or more the everyday style?

There's 65347630498573094857034570394570394573048957 high heeled shoes on the market, please I'm begging you, make regular walking/jogging/athletic/comfy no heeled shoes if you decide to make shoes.

I know you're asking specifically for Pauline, but I'd love to see regular no heeled shoes for the other SM woman too (Alyson2/Anastasia/Miki4/Roxie) because, damn, are they lacking there.

Once I get my hands on Poser 11 (How long is that $99 upgrade offer going to last?) I'll be looking at Pauline pretty closely. I, for one am interested in Jewelry, Armor (or jeweled armor!) and like SSG said. SHOES! I think that price will make her a lot more popular and that creates demand for the full wardrobe that most V4 users have.

Hi Karanta! Big fan here!

JohnDoe641 posted at 4:39PM Sun, 23 October 2016 - #4287635

karanta posted at 2:02PM Sun, 23 October 2016 - #4286549

ssgbryan posted at 4:08PM Wed, 12 October 2016 - #4286447

.......

Shoes.

Lots and lots of shoes.

If you do decide to do conforming clothing, please give us a version of the clothing that DOESN'T have any character morphs. We can add the ones we need via the Copy Morphs From command.

Ok shoes are on my list now

I like making shoes

You would really prefer to have clothes without bodymorphs? Wow - that's nice! That would save me a huge amount of work. I always do all morphs in Cinema 4D because I like to have nice and smooth morphs.

Unpractical ;) shoes like this:

or more the everyday style?

There's 65347630498573094857034570394570394573048957 high heeled shoes on the market, please I'm begging you, make regular walking/jogging/athletic/comfy no heeled shoes if you decide to make shoes.

I know you're asking specifically for Pauline, but I'd love to see regular no heeled shoes for the other SM woman too (Alyson2/Anastasia/Miki4/Roxie) because, damn, are they lacking there.

One thing I will give Poser content wise, every version I've owned since P4 has come with a pair of tennis shoes for the current female figure shipped with it in the props folder. For the record, the only version I haven't bought since then was P5. Still, it's possible I'm mistaken.

JohnDoe641 posted at 12:45PM Mon, 24 October 2016 - #4287635

There's 65347630498573094857034570394570394573048957 high heeled shoes on the market, please I'm begging you, make regular walking/jogging/athletic/comfy no heeled shoes if you decide to make shoes.

I know you're asking specifically for Pauline, but I'd love to see regular no heeled shoes for the other SM woman too (Alyson2/Anastasia/Miki4/Roxie) because, damn, are they lacking there.

Well, I am asking specifically for Pauline since that is what the thread is about.

The SM figures are my "goto" figures since they are actually scaled as normal sized people, instead of the Amazons that DAZ and Hivewire3D insist upon.

Most of those 65347630498573094857034570394570394573048957 shoes are for V4. Shoe conversions are the most problematic, due to how figures have the feet set up (Thanks DAZ! nothing like having your male characters set up for high heels). PhilC's Shoe Last product works, but it takes a bit of fiddling about to get a proper fit.

I am surprised that more vendors don't modify their products for newer figures - Look at dx30 over at DAZ, for instance - (s)he has been recycling the same shoe OBJs for over a decade now - some were originally made for P6 Jessi & Miki 1020.

Shoe's are simple :

With whatever shoes/boots you get on your hands, bought or free?? Keep the obj file and the texture, delete all the rest. Load the obj in Blender, cut it up, adapt, regroup, and reweld, around the figure you choose, export and give it a run in the fitting room. => Done.

99% what's available is ***** "fill in the blank". Like the extreme high heels above? Probably great work but every day usability is as good as taking the kids to school in an aircraft carrier. LOL.

tonyvilters posted at 7:25PM Mon, 24 October 2016 - #4287795

Shoe's are simple :

With whatever shoes/boots you get on your hands, bought or free?? Keep the obj file and the texture, delete all the rest. Load the obj in Blender, cut it up, adapt, regroup, and reweld, around the figure you choose, export and give it a run in the fitting room. => Done.

99% what's available is ***** "fill in the blank". Like the extreme high heels above? Probably great work but every day usability is as good as taking the kids to school in an aircraft carrier. LOL.

Yeah, just another program I need to learn......

I love ya man, but most folks here simply aren't going to to this. Most folks here aren't willing to spend 30 seconds to do anything other than Load, Conform, Make Art. That is why we pay vendors - so we can concentrate on what we are good at.

Tony mentioned "simple" and "blender" in one post. How funny ;-) Any app is more simple than blender.

Ha Timberwolf.

I agree completely, and I only use a very small portion of all what Blender has to offer. => This resulted in the Poser2Blender2Poser series you can find on YouTube so everybody can work between both apps for Posers needs. Best regards, Tony

I envy and admire anybody, who can deal with Blender. It is so powerful... Oooops all off topic, sorry ;-)

-Timberwolf- posted at 10:43AM Tue, 25 October 2016 - #4287836

I envy and admire anybody, who can deal with Blender. It is so powerful... Oooops all off topic, sorry ;-)

Blender's not that bad. Assuming you've been at it for at least five years or more.