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Subject: Poser not catching on.


Robo2010 ( ) posted Thu, 24 November 2016 at 10:45 PM · edited Fri, 10 January 2025 at 1:48 AM

Left poser (since Poser 6), that myself started using Carrara 6, due to lighting and very realistic renders. They even implemented HDRI panoramic. even images, for very realistic renders. Just got poser 11 Pro, due to cuda and the render engine. But finding out the programs doesn't use HDRi (panoramic), for lighting and background. They still use IBLs, and have found IBls are really not a good source for lighting. Ever wonder if Poser will ever use very high HDRi's. Furthermore, what lighting do you use for superfly? When I use some lighting, even IBls, images are dark. Firefly does way better than superfly....Weird.


wimvdb ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 7:13 AM

you can use HDRI in P11.

Either with an environment dome or directly in the background node.

See https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/192/using-the-background-for-lighting for details


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:24 AM

Hi there

As Wim said,in Poser 11 or in earlier versions you can use HDRi,like with BB EnvSphere or in new Poser 11 you can try and use EZDome which is awesome plugin from Snarly Here is link https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/798/ezdome-a-new-skydome-environment-sphere-from-snarlygribbly/54

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:47 AM

A plug in is needed? Oh my, okay. Thanks for the link. Will look at this. Thanks.


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:50 AM

No you don't need plug in,this plugin is free there and you can try as above Wim posted link how to use HDRi for lighting etc With plugin is everything bit easier there

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:55 AM

Trying to find link to download after reading. (interesting). I scroll up/down. I am a HDRi, pano guy for CGI. Took years to master the lighting on these. Then coming back to Poser (11). Finding out Poser still using these IBLs I am not to fond of. Even though their is info that they are as well HDRis.


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 10:00 AM

Hi there

You still need to use one or more extra lights in Poser as in other renderers if you do interior renders,for exterior renders you should be OK with using EZDome etc,but still I prefer to have extra lights

IBL yes they're used mostly in Firefly,but not in same extent than in previous versions,Poser now using SuperFly which is same or similar to Blender Cycles,I've done all my renders in Poser,I use other SW like 3DS Max or C4D for few projects

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 11:02 AM

This GTO was done in Carrara 8 (not 8.5). Not my best, found errors, and in the process of redoing. Yes, I had to add a light. The HDRI done most of the lighting, and does give shadows. But only straight down, that I had to add a light for the shadow only on shadow catcher plug in. Can see reflection on car of the pano HDRi, and that is used as background scene. Now in poser 11, that Firefly kicks butt now, that my PC is very powerful (awesome character renders), that this superfly crashes my PC. And the images end up black, (nothing). GTO1.jpg


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 3:22 PM

Robo2010 posted at 9:17PM Fri, 25 November 2016 - #4290882

This GTO was done in Carrara 8 (not 8.5). Not my best, found errors, and in the process of redoing. Yes, I had to add a light. The HDRI done most of the lighting, and does give shadows. But only straight down, that I had to add a light for the shadow only on shadow catcher plug in. Can see reflection on car of the pano HDRi, and that is used as background scene. Now in poser 11, that Firefly kicks butt now, that my PC is very powerful (awesome character renders), that this superfly crashes my PC. And the images end up black, (nothing). GTO1.jpg

Hi there

Looks very good and I personally like it a lot Regarding the SuperFly is crashing,please check the log there,if there is error,are you using GPU or CPU for rendering ? Here is quick render,took me 13 minutes on the GPU,its still just quick render,I don't do lots of car renders,usually characters and mostly interior renders etc

Test car.jpg

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 6:22 PM

Now that is awesome render. Specially in poser (11). Like to know your settings, and what HDRi was used. Not new to poser, but new to Poser 11.


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 6:32 PM

Hi there

Here are my render settings

Render settings.jpg

HDRi I was used Helipad Afternoon from this sIBL

http://www.hdrlabs.com/sibl/archive.html

If Poser 11 is crashing,please turn off Branched Path tracing if you do render with GPU

Still is not the best render,this car is pretty low poly and on this car I think I would benefit from subdivision

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 6:45 PM

I am using a EVGA Geforce GTX 970 FTW, on a AMD FX2+ MB (PCI express 3.0 slot). A8-6600K (4 core CPU). And I would think I would get a kick ass system. I can never win trying to get a fast comp to perform on these CGI programs (Blender, Carrara, now Poser). Like this board can not handle this Nvidia cards. I like Nvidia due to the CUDA cores. Ati/AMD has these Steam processors and looking into a RX480. But, now I have to get a Intel board, intel CPUs are very expensive. Although in the next year the Zen is coming out.


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 7:10 PM

Robo2010 posted at 12:59AM Sat, 26 November 2016 - #4290922

I am using a EVGA Geforce GTX 970 FTW, on a AMD FX2+ MB (PCI express 3.0 slot). A8-6600K (4 core CPU). And I would think I would get a kick ass system. I can never win trying to get a fast comp to perform on these CGI programs (Blender, Carrara, now Poser). Like this board can not handle this Nvidia cards. I like Nvidia due to the CUDA cores. Ati/AMD has these Steam processors and looking into a RX480. But, now I have to get a Intel board, intel CPUs are very expensive. Although in the next year the Zen is coming out.

Hi there

If you have GTX970 then you should be able render anything what you want,just check log and I would install GPU-Z which would tell you how much or if its GPU used Do you have latest drivers installed there for NVIDIA and are you using Windows 7 or Windows 10?

My PC is ASRock X99 Extreme6,i7-5820k OC 4.5GHz,96GB DDR4 and those two GPU(GTX1080 and Titan X),PC is used mostly for rendering like in Poser or in other SW like is 3DS MAX or Blender

Here is it how it looks in my PC

Phanteks II resized.JPG

I would say you have there maybe there some sort of conflict there,please check Event Viewer and if its possible try my settings,try render with lower bucket size like 128 or 256,but still think this can be simple as driver issue

I like AMD GPU,but most of the renderers still using CUDA and OpenCL renderers are few,but I've used for while AMD FireRender or ProRender in 3DS MAX which is awesome renderer and is free and should be coming soon to Blender too and yes agree Intel boards and CPU are very expensive there and all depends on budget there

If ZEN will be here,I'm thinking to switch too,from leaked benches should be good one and hopefully will deliver nice increase in performance against older generation

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 7:42 PM · edited Fri, 25 November 2016 at 7:44 PM

OOps...not Fx2+. FM2+, and I struggled a few years on heating issues on the CPU. All that air cooling fans I went through, then 2 water coolings (corsair GTX..what ever junk), that didn't fit socket. I knew the temps were not right, always when rendering would go up to 50 C + (Idle at 35). Wasn't right, and I knew they were wrong. I constant played with fan cooler seating (mounting), thermal paste, cleaning fans when they were cleaned. So purchased a Deepcool Captain 240 (water cooling "AIO). My temps now are at 25 C (Idle), and max at 40 C. Quiet as well. I do use GPU-Z (have it installed), and latest drivers. CPUTemp.jpg


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 7:48 PM

GPU Z image

GPUZ1.jpg


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 7:59 PM

Hi there

I've went through two AIO or water coolers,one Corsair H100i v2 failed and then second EVGA Hybrid AIO failed(this one has been for GPU) and went back to air and temps are awesome with OC on mine I'm hitting 62C during the rendering there,with H100i I've hit 80 easily due this I'm very very happy

Regarding yours issues please check Nvidia control panel if there you have enabled CUDA

Nvidia Control panel.jpg

But from yours GPU-Z I see you are using 375.95 drivers which do have issues,please try roll back to 373.06 and check this thread too

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2908187

Seems those drivers breaking the rendering

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:25 PM · edited Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:28 PM

Well, I am surprised I didn't get a crash (driver recovered). This is done using CPU (Firefly). Now that I have a good system, I find the firefly rocks for character renders. But HDRis (panos). I would struggle in Poser 6 long time ago on a system. Not my best, but I done better is the last days playing around, but never satisfied, finding flaws. No shadows on ground catcher floor.

Smpl12.jpg


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:27 PM

And here is GPU (your setting above). Got a lot to play with. Wishing for HDRi panos to be implemented. Looking into the plug in.

Smpl12A.jpg


Robo2010 ( ) posted Fri, 25 November 2016 at 9:31 PM

Done in Carrara using just a panoramic HDRi. No light added. Just a 8k HDRi.

Doc2a.jpg


jura11 ( ) posted Sat, 26 November 2016 at 6:43 AM

Hi there

All renders looks awesome,still i would suggest try and download this EZDome

http://snarlygribbly.org/snarlyspace/ezdome.html

or BB EnvSphere which works like in FireFly or SuperFly

https://sites.google.com/site/bagginsbill/free-stuff/environment-sphere

With this you can use very easily HDRi and mostly I use above website for HDR which I posted and regarding my settings for SF,please download too EZSkin which would help you with better skin

http://snarlygribbly.org/snarlyspace/ezskin.htm

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


jura11 ( ) posted Sat, 26 November 2016 at 11:25 AM

Hi there

Here is quicker render at 50 samples,its postworked in CS6(only levels,nothing more),used brighter HDRi with intensity of 3.0,with 2.0 render has looked OK,I've used for skin EZSkin 3

V4 Rendo B.jpg

If you want to have shadow catcher for ground etc,I think Boni posted thread how to do it there,I will try to find that older thread

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


Robo2010 ( ) posted Sat, 26 November 2016 at 5:49 PM · edited Sat, 26 November 2016 at 5:51 PM

Was playing with EZDome last night. Dunno where to make a bug issue. Every time I press Apply, I end up out of Poser to windows desktop. Poser didn't shut down, just minimized. I have to maximize poser to get back in from windows desktop I see good things coming out of this EZDome. :


wimvdb ( ) posted Sat, 26 November 2016 at 10:22 PM · edited Sat, 26 November 2016 at 10:24 PM

With the environment texture (cycles node), you can use an HDRI directly by plugging it in the Background node (Check Cast Light in the Background node). This was explained in the link I posted.

If you use EZDome instead, make sure you have created the sphere (sphere button in top row). After creating the sphere use of the presets provided in the link in the manual or create your own preset with your own HDR textures. Optionally create a EZDome sun in EZDome (first tab)

I prefer EZDome because it is easier to use and the results are pretty much identical. EZDome adds rotation, collor and intensity adjustments and allows you to separate environment from lighting. The HDR maps provide the lighting pretty much the same as Octane does and most likely Carrara as well. So far i have not heard from anyone that EZDome fails, so let me know the steps you are making where it fails, so i can notify snarly

Here one example where I used EZDome

Nat10sig.jpg


Robo2010 ( ) posted Sun, 27 November 2016 at 4:33 PM · edited Sun, 27 November 2016 at 4:34 PM

Awesome Renders

Wondering why this is happening? First the preview

.12.jpg

  • (Rendered in Super Fly)

13.jpg


jura11 ( ) posted Sun, 27 November 2016 at 5:16 PM

Hi there

Check material room and check materials on floor and on the clothing,some textures are not translated correctly and due this you have black or grey render

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


jura11 ( ) posted Sun, 27 November 2016 at 5:20 PM

Have look on this thread

https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/857/remaking-armor-using-superfly-materials/8

and here is thread about the ground shadows

https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/808/ezdome-sibl-and-ground-shadows

Hope this helps

Thanks,Jura


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