So here's an example of what I'm on about. Just for the heck of it, I went to the market place and did a search for V4 and Poser 10 stuff. Did it come up? Yes. But at the top of the page, You ee these two ads for Daz Studio props and For a Genesis prop. There's a third ad for the G8 Female. And worst of all is NONE of these things will work in Poser. So why is it showing up in a Poser search?

Oh, and on the side of the page, which you can't see here, is another set of Promo pics saying "WHAT'S HOT", 7 of at least 8 products for Daz Studio or the G8 F.

My point again, is you can't buy it if you can't find it. and Renderosity ain't really showing it to us without a challenge.

Those ads are there because those vendors paid for the privilege for their ads to be displayed in those slots. I don't think you're going to have much success dictating where those paying ads go, unless you're willing to pay not to see them or you want to help poser vendors pay to get advertising on this site. That would be the solution to your complaint, but not how to get more content... nor is complaining about who posts where, all that's going to do is earn a thread lock, so I'd let that go as well.

Male_M3dia posted at 8:25AM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319148

Those ads are there because those vendors paid for the privilege for their ads to be displayed in those slots. I don't think you're going to have much success dictating where those paying ads go, unless you're willing to pay not to see them or you want to help poser vendors pay to get advertising on this site. That would be the solution to your complaint, but not how to get more content... nor is complaining about who posts where, all that's going to do is earn a thread lock, so I'd let that go as well.

Just trying to be constructive. Or is that just a one way street around here? And at least I'm on topic.

Actually staying on topic, has anyone sent any emails to Rafael Torres? He's been rather silent in the past few months, it may be interesting to see what his impressions on this aspect of the software would be and if he has any ideas.

Male_M3dia posted at 12:31PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319148

Those ads are there because those vendors paid for the privilege for their ads to be displayed in those slots. I don't think you're going to have much success dictating where those paying ads go, unless you're willing to pay not to see them or you want to help poser vendors pay to get advertising on this site. That would be the solution to your complaint, but not how to get more content... nor is complaining about who posts where, all that's going to do is earn a thread lock, so I'd let that go as well.

Well, since you brought it up, and I realize you were trying to be a smartass about it, but I'll answer you anyway. If that's the kind of service I'd get from Renderosity, I wouldn't waste my money advertising on this site. And I do mean "waste". If I'm shopping for POSER stuff, why would I want to see an ad about Daz Studio stuff? That's like listening to a Black gospel radio station and having them play commercials for the next Heavy Metal concert coming to town. How many ticket sales do you think the promoters are going to see from that ad buy? They would probably conclude, and rightly so, that it wasn't worth the money spent and not do it anymore.

It wasn't a smart answer, it's the truth. Those vendors paid for advertising to be used on the entire site, not just parts. And some people use both programs not just one, so it makes it worth the paying vendor's while to have their advertising cover all the bases. If a poser vendor pays for the advertising they will get the same treatment as well. Your example about radio stations is invalid because there are many types of contents available here, not just one. And even then, even on my subscription of SirrusXM they advertise content provided on their other channels, so they're going to let me know that they have a comedy station while I'm listening to my dance music. They announce their Christmas music channel over all their stations this time of year to to cover all their bases. The same goes with internet radio stations.

The actual name for this type of advertising is called "cross-promotion".

Male_M3dia posted at 2:06PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319172

It wasn't a smart answer, it's the truth. Those vendors paid for advertising to be used on the entire site, not just parts. And some people use both programs not just one, so it makes it worth the paying vendor's while to have their advertising cover all the bases. If a poser vendor pays for the advertising they will get the same treatment as well. Your example about radio stations is invalid because there are many types of contents available here, not just one. And even then, even on my subscription of SirrusXM they advertise content provided on their other channels, so they're going to let me know that they have a comedy station while I'm listening to my dance music. They announce their Christmas music channel over all their stations this time of year to to cover all their bases. The same goes with internet radio stations.

The actual name for this type of advertising is called "cross-promotion".

Apples and oranges, Terrence. Sirius XM is selling a subscription service so anyone who subscribes to that service or advertises on it knows what they're signing up for. Just like if I look at abc News, I can expect to see commercials for things I may or may not have a need for in the immediate future. Renderosity never asked me if it's alright if we ruin your shopping experience by putting ads of products in front of you that I know you're not looking for, and making it more frustrating for you to find the things that you are looking for. That frustration spills out into threads like this one. The OP was frustrated because he's looking for one thing and all that pops up is stuff he doesn't want. I'm seriously hoping it's not the intention of Renderosity to frustrate me and other customers from finding the items we ARE searching for by showing us stuff we aren't searching for. Just so they can make a quick buck. If it is, they can delete my account now so i can just move on. They might still make money, but at least it won't be anymore of mine.

Ultimately I don't think it's productive to analyze the advertising business Rendo has in place with paying vendors when it is a tool for all vendors to use to increase visibility of their products. Hopefully your last post wasn't addressed to me, as I've hit the ignore button so the needless arguing will not cause a thread lock, and we can move the conversation forward from here.

I did not realize some vendors pay for the location of their advertising. All this time I was blaming Rendo for DAZ items crawling into my Poser search terms.

Male_M3dia posted at 6:51PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319177

Ultimately I don't think it's productive to analyze the advertising business Rendo has in place with paying vendors when it is a tool for all vendors to use to increase visibility of their products. Hopefully your last post wasn't addressed to me, as I've hit the ignore button so the needless arguing will not cause a thread lock, and we can move the conversation forward from here.

My bad. I forgot it's only productive when everyone criticizes the way Poser and SM do things. Everybody else is perfect.

I see ads for Poser content too, just not nearly as many because there isn't as much poser content being made these days. The ad space still has to be filled with something. I'd rather see ads for DS content than I would to see ads for completely unrelated stuff like a blender on amazon. And a lot of DS stuff can be converted to Poser, so its still relevant. There was an ad for Flink's winter products just recently - that's a Poser item.

If you want to filter by only Poser content then you can do that by going to Browse > Only Poser. That doesn't control the ad space though, and it doesn't need to. If there was more Poser specific content being made then there would be more ads for it. Most people are not so anti-daz that they get triggered by seeing ads for its content. This also isn't a Poser-only site. It's a content site that sells a lot of stuff, not just for Poser and DS but other stuff like brushes for photoshop and static models for other 3D applications. And like all smart businesses, they're going to promote most heavily the stuff that is most popular.

AmbientShade posted at 8:47PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319194

I see ads for Poser content too, just not nearly as many because there isn't as much poser content being made these days. The ad space still has to be filled with something. I'd rather see ads for DS content than I would to see ads for completely unrelated stuff like a blender on amazon. And a lot of DS stuff can be converted to Poser, so its still relevant. There was an ad for Flink's winter products just recently - that's a Poser item.

If you want to filter by only Poser content then you can do that by going to Browse > Only Poser. That doesn't control the ad space though, and it doesn't need to. If there was more Poser specific content being made then there would be more ads for it. Most people are not so anti-daz that they get triggered by seeing ads for its content. This also isn't a Poser-only site. It's a content site that sells a lot of stuff, not just for Poser and DS but other stuff like brushes for photoshop and static models for other 3D applications. And like all smart businesses, they're going to promote most heavily the stuff that is most popular.

No one said it was a Poser- only site. That much is evident by the amount of ads I have to wade through to find Poser content. I'm not even telling or suggesting that Renderosity cut back on ads. Just that they make some adjustments towards who the ads are targeted to. At least that way, the ads will be more effective because they're reaching people who want to see them and may actually have some benefit from seeing them. It will also benefit the vendors who buy the ads because their ads will be appearing in front of people who WANT to see them. Or is that a problem?

EClark1894 posted at 9:26PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319198

No one said it was a Poser- only site. That much is evident by the amount of ads I have to wade through to find Poser content. I'm not even telling or suggesting that Renderosity cut back on ads. Just that they make some adjustments towards who the ads are targeted to. At least that way, the ads will be more effective because they're reaching people who want to see them and may actually have some benefit from seeing them. It will also benefit the vendors who buy the ads because their ads will be appearing in front of people who WANT to see them. Or is that a problem?

I dont think the site is set up for targeted ad campaigns. It would require them to keep track of what everybody searches and buys and tailor the ads to match it, or have people fill out questionnaires to know what kinds of ads they want to see. Plus if you're only advertising to current customers then how are you going to attract new customers? Showing Poser users attractive content for DS can help increase sales of DS content. And if Poser content vendors aren't buying as many ads as DS content vendors are buying then what would they put in the ad spaces? It doesn't appear that ads are paid for per view or per click. Seems they just run for a set period of time regardless of who sees them or how many times they're seen. I doubt seriously that there are that many people who are devout Poser-only users for it to be worth the cost and effort to tailor ads so specifically to each person's needs. This is probably an issue that would be better addressed to the market place customer support anyway.

It's only a problem if you have a business to run.

Earl tbh, Renderosity have bent over backwards over the last few years to facilitate customers with a preference for Poser content. Not that their efforts have been greatly welcomed by that same Poser community who now seem to spend most of their time between the official Smith Micro Poser site with it's (Content Paradise Store) and the Hivewire3D site which was formed by former Daz 3D staff.

I mean do you really think the reason that the OP cannot find as much Poser content these days is that it's all on the back shelf or they can't scroll past a few adverts at the top of the page, which are clearly labelled as "Sponsored Ad's"? Or is it possible that the Poser content market is currently in a decline phase? Could that be the reason why the majority of adverts are for DS products? Why the 'What's Hot!" side bar is full of DS products?

Honestly, I have never heard a DS member demand to have anyone who occasionally opened Poser removed from the DS forums here. Never heard a DS user clamouring for Renderosity to invest in drop down options which separates the market into Poser/DS. Never heard DS users complaining that they're tired of seeing products for Superfly only to find they won't work with DS and that they should therefore be removed from their sight.

Earl tbh sometimes I think this kind of stuff is why the Poser platform is in the position it currently is. It reminds of people arguing about what color the blinds should be changed to, while the building burns down around them.

AmbientShade posted at 8:58PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319201

EClark1894 posted at 9:26PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319198

No one said it was a Poser- only site. That much is evident by the amount of ads I have to wade through to find Poser content. I'm not even telling or suggesting that Renderosity cut back on ads. Just that they make some adjustments towards who the ads are targeted to. At least that way, the ads will be more effective because they're reaching people who want to see them and may actually have some benefit from seeing them. It will also benefit the vendors who buy the ads because their ads will be appearing in front of people who WANT to see them. Or is that a problem?

I dont think the site is set up for targeted ad campaigns. It would require them to keep track of what everybody searches and buys and tailor the ads to match it, or have people fill out questionnaires to know what kinds of ads they want to see. Plus if you're only advertising to current customers then how are you going to attract new customers? Showing Poser users attractive content for DS can help increase sales of DS content. And if Poser content vendors aren't buying as many ads as DS content vendors are buying then what would they put in the ad spaces? It doesn't appear that ads are paid for per view or per click. Seems they just run for a set period of time regardless of who sees them or how many times they're seen. I doubt seriously that there are that many people who are devout Poser-only users for it to be worth the cost and effort to tailor ads so specifically to each person's needs. This is probably an issue that would be better addressed to the market place customer support anyway. I did mention it in the Marketplace. It was ignored. This thread was in the Marketplace. It was moved.

Razor42 posted at 9:04PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319202

It's only a problem if you have a business to run.

Earl tbh, Renderosity have bent over backwards over the last few years to facilitate customers with a preference for Poser content. Not that their efforts have been greatly welcomed by that same Poser community who now seem to spend most of their time between the official Smith Micro Poser site with it's (Content Paradise Store) and the Hivewire3D site which was formed by former Daz 3D staff.

I mean do you really think the reason that the OP cannot find as much Poser content these days is that it's all on the back shelf or they can't scroll past a few adverts at the top of the page, which are clearly labelled as "Sponsored Ad's"? Or is it possible that the Poser content market is currently in a decline phase? Could that be the reason why the majority of adverts are for DS products? Why the 'What's Hot!" side bar is full of DS products?

Honestly, I have never heard a DS member demand to have anyone who occasionally opened Poser removed from the DS forums here. Never heard a DS user clamouring for Renderosity to invest in drop down options which separates the market into Poser/DS. Never heard DS users complaining that they're tired of seeing products for Superfly only to find they won't work with DS and that they should therefore be removed from their sight.

Earl tbh sometimes I think this kind of stuff is why the Poser platform is in the position it currently is. It reminds of people arguing about what color the blinds should be changed to, while the building burns down around them.

Okay, I'm getting the message loud and clear. Shut up, sit down and buy what we tell you. Blender is looking better all the time. Oh and there's a reason why I spend most of my time now at Hivewire and the SM Forum. I used to spend that time here. Used to.

No one is saying your suggestions are not valid or that you need to buy anything unless you want to. But other members also have a right to debate the merits or issues of the suggestions.

It seems that the answer is never that the issue lies with the fact that demand for Poser content is down compared to years ago, which is having an ongoing effect on the Poser community across the spectrum. It always seems to fall squarely on Renderosity needing to spend time and money in implementing a protective type of system for Poserphiles. And no matter what they do it just doesn't seem to be enough.

I use Blender almost daily, its a great app. I'm not really sure how it replaces DS or Poser though tbh.

EClark1849 posted at 10:50PM Sat, 02 December 2017 - #4319203

I did mention it in the Marketplace. It was ignored. This thread was in the Marketplace. It was moved.

Well that answers it then.

Thing is, Renderosity is a business, and in order for them to stay in business they have to follow the trends of what the majority of their customers are buying. And lately that trend is DS content. Personally I'm not interested in skimpwear, or morphs to make females parts ginormous, and it's a bit irritating that 90% of what I see every time I open the store page is exactly that. But I don't fault the site owners for that because they can't force vendors to make anything they don't want to make, and they have to put out there what sells the most. So I just scroll past all that and focus on the stuff that looks cool or is closer to what I'm looking for. I don't have a Poser-only or DS-only mindset though, so I'm not limited to either one. If I see something that fits my needs and it is DS only then I can still use it because I use both apps. And I make content in both apps. I do spend more time with Poser but lately I've been playing with DS's Dforce features and like it a lot. So that's translated to me searching the stores for content that makes use of it. So far there isn't much but it still gives me ideas for stuff I want to do with my own content. And it's really not that difficult to convert content from DS to Poser. Especially if its just clothing. Converting the figures is a bit more complicated, but if there's an outfit that you really wish was made for M4 for Poser, then it can be converted to Poser if you really want it to be. Maybe if more people learned how to do that then there would be less arguing.

// It doesn't appear that ads are paid for per view or per click. Seems they just run for a set period of time regardless of who sees them or how many times they're seen. I doubt seriously that there are that many people who are devout Poser-only users for it to be worth the cost and effort to tailor ads so specifically to each person's needs. This is probably an issue that would be better addressed to the market place customer support anyway. I did mention it in the Marketplace. It was ignored. This thread was in the Marketplace. It was moved. //

There are different types of ads, however the most common ones used by vendors are based on impressions (views) as far as I know, just to clear that up.

In regards to Poser vs DS content. I think you have to take into account that Poser haven't had any new viable characters (Genesis popularity) for a long time. So if you filter away Genesis content, maybe the difference is not as big as people might think. Here I mean how many props etc are DS or Poser only for instant? When Project E is finish and released this might very well changed. At least to me to make any fair comparison you would have to take that into account. As it would be the same as people complaining why there are no content for some of the older Poser figures. Basically at the moment V4 and M4 are still as far as im concerned the most popular characters for Poser. but they are fairly old, but they survive because they are very good, which is simply not the case with most, if not all the latest characters released with Poser, and again as stated earlier a lot of that can be blamed on SM, i think.

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3-d-c posted at 11:17PM Sat, 09 December 2017 - #4307691

I still do poser exclusive. .. so check out my store too ;) https://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/?uid=502620

I have some of your stuff. It's very nice, even though I've not used in anything as such yet. I have ideas for pictures, and spotted that you do the props needed. So one day, you'll hopefully see a credit.

AmbientShade posted at 11:21AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319207

And it's really not that difficult to convert content from DS to Poser. Especially if its just clothing. Converting the figures is a bit more complicated, but if there's an outfit that you really wish was made for M4 for Poser, then it can be converted to Poser if you really want it to be. Maybe if more people learned how to do that then there would be less arguing.

It's very easy AmbientShade - but I'd point out that those of us who do and advocate that are constantly shouted down in the Poser forums by DS users (or DAZ exclusive vendors, in the case of Male3dia).

ssgbryan posted at 1:40PM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319862

AmbientShade posted at 11:21AM Sun, 10 December 2017 - #4319207

And it's really not that difficult to convert content from DS to Poser. Especially if its just clothing. Converting the figures is a bit more complicated, but if there's an outfit that you really wish was made for M4 for Poser, then it can be converted to Poser if you really want it to be. Maybe if more people learned how to do that then there would be less arguing.

It's very easy AmbientShade - but I'd point out that those of us who do and advocate that are constantly shouted down in the Poser forums by DS users (or DAZ exclusive vendors, in the case of Male3dia).

Please provide the link of me shouting you down, please. Sorry, but you won't find it. But, you will find posts of me being falsely attacked. This post in particular and twice in this thread. In the first instance my last post was when this thread marketplace support forum before the thread was moved here; and I reported that instance to the mods. I'm not understanding why I'm being called out again.

This is exactly why threads get locked. While I report you again in this thread for this post, I'm going to ask you to refrain from this behavior in the future. They're not helpful and very unproductive. A good conversation can't be had without some people starting software wars and personal attacks, then trying to blame it on people that aren't even participating.

And if someone doesn't like looking at posts, the ignore button is a handy tool to solve that.

Oh give it up . You know you sail as close to the rules as you can as much as you can. The mods and admins know it as well.

The poor me innocent act don't wash anymore. We know you.

Ignore active for what good it does.

Ppl please stop quoting the trolls. It negates the ignore function.